Why do most Beatles Fans hate ELO?
ACS77
she along with myself could always tell the more than obvious differences
between these two great bands respective song catalogs, we enjoy both, yet
still keep an open mind to think each are legendary rock and roll artists of
our time in their own right!
Rick Vendl II
nowhere man
I don't think your assertion is correct Rick. Most Beatles fans don't dislike
ELO.
I have a few of their tapes and love em. There is one album of theirs of which
I love every track (some wag will say at this point 'their greatest hits' ;3)
) I can't recal its name.
The problem that I, and I'm sure many others have, is when Jeff Lynne is brought
in and ELOised Free as a Bird.
Now, granted that was one way of hiding the blemishes of the poor demo that they
had to work with.....but the Beatle sound is big enough to stand on it's own two
feet without needing ELOising.
Will
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is my biggest pride." John
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imitation of the Beatles (kinda the Oasis of the 70's) and may dislike them
for that. But I don't think most Beatles fans hate ELO. I like a lot of
ELO stuff myself, especially the first album when Roy was still in the band.
A lot of us DO dislike Jeff Lynne, though, for ruining FAAB and Real Love
with his heavy-handed, inappropriate production. I wish George had not
insisted on using him... judging by recent interviews, George is tired of
the Lynne sound. I wish he had come to this realization six years ago.
George:
"I have stopped working with Jeff because I did not want him to make ELO
albums out of my songs," he said. "On this album you can hear guitar, bass
and drums and no computers."
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ACS77
william_m...@lineone.net writes:
>I don't think your assertion is correct Rick. Most Beatles fans don't
>dislike
>ELO.
The reason I'm asking was because I made a post about George and Ringo on that
new April 2001 Jeff Lynne ELO album Zoom! at The Beatles (& solo work) AOL
Music Community Message Board then proceeded to get mostly hateful replies...
Rick Vendl II
The Great WaaZoo
Most?, don't think so..
I only have ELO's first, but haven't really listened to much more..
I find it has it's moments, but it's a bit to smooth, finished at times..
Hate is a big word, sometimes it's just dislike, most is prob. just ignorance..
greetings
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Bradchevy
>The reason I'm asking was because I made a post about George and Ringo on
>that
>new April 2001 Jeff Lynne ELO album Zoom! at The Beatles (& solo work) AOL
>Music Community Message Board then proceeded to get mostly hateful replies...
Perhaps it was because a) you posted it REPEATEDLY and b) because it had
already been discussed in that forum.
ACS77
brad...@aol.comtogether (Bradchevy)
> Perhaps it was because a) you posted it REPEATEDLY
Only twice, guess you never make any mistakes.
>and b) because it had
>already been discussed in that forum.
When and where was this thread because nobody was nice enough to point that
out!
Rick Vendl II
ACS77
> Perhaps it was because a) you posted it REPEATEDLY
Only twice, guess you never make any mistakes, must be nice.
>and b) because it had
>already been discussed in that forum.
When and where was this thread because nobody was courteous enough to point
Mister Charlie
Thrid Day LP, and I liked it BECAUSE it sounded so Beatle-y. I just
don't like hearing everything Jeff Lynne produces sound just like ELO.
But they were excellent.
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Mister Charlie <cc...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Hey...I LIKE ELO, always have. In fact, my first taste of ELO was the
> Thrid Day LP, and I liked it BECAUSE it sounded so Beatle-y. I just
> don't like hearing everything Jeff Lynne produces sound just like ELO.
> But they were excellent.
I agree. I guess I wouldn't call it an "ELO" sound, rather a "Jeff
Lynne" sound. Everyone he produces has his distinct fingerprints on it.
Look at the Dave Edmunds albums he produced - jeez! I only really
liked the early singles, and then they had the trifecta of albums where
they were the big dogs; New World Record, Out of The Blue, and
Discovery. They pretty much were done after that commercially.
Has George had a personal falling out with Jeff? That quote seems
pretty pointed, I mean it's not like Jeff FORCED George to make Cloud
Nine like they did, you know? And George is the one who insisted Lynne
do FAAB and RL. I have no real problem with the production on either
of those songs. They are what they are; heavily produced songs made
from nearly inadequate demos. It's the best they could do with what
they had, and history has shown that no damage to their rep was done.
They're just little trinkets really.
Back to the George/Jeff thing. Jeff has recently said he wants to do a
new Wilburys album; George says he doesn't want Jeff making ELO albums
out of his songs. Now, unless George said that with his tongue firmly
planted in his cheek, doesn't sound to me like he's too keen on ELO or
Jeff!
jj
robertandrews
I recall John playing an ELO song on one of his DJ visits to WNEW radio in
NYC. So apparently John liked some of their music, or noticed a connection.
Speaking only for myself, I'm not a big fan of ELO. I don't consider them a
legendary band, not even close to any of the great British bands of the
60's. Though I enjoy lots of Phil Spector & some Beach Boys, ELO strikes me
as overproduced pop fluff. I don't like the songs or Jeff Lynne's singing:
the layered vocals always sound processed. For that style, I'd rather hear
Abba than either ELO or the Moody Blues.
Coopsy
as overproduced pop fluff. I don't like the songs or Jeff Lynne's singing:
the layered vocals always sound processed. For that style, I'd rather hear
Abba than either ELO or the Moody Blues. >>
Exactly my point. I can't stand ELO. Too operatic for my taste...
Michael L. Vielhaber
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eve plumb
<20001230113232...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, coo...@aol.com stated:
Yes, I can't stand all those arias in ELO songs.
At the time, the melding of rock and classical was supposed to be the next big
thing it seems. ELO was one end of the spectrum, ELP the other. Then you had
bands like Do'ah and the Paul Winter Consort that were also working in this
space. And what did it ultimately give us? "Dance with me George" from
Ambrosia.
"When your lips spout their quotations
and your hips start their gyrations
They could thaw Valley Forge
Dance with me George."
They don't write em like that anymore. ;o)
KEA
eve plumb
nowhere stated:
>
>I don't think your assertion is correct Rick. Most Beatles fans don't dislike
>ELO.
>
How the hell do you know what "most" Beatles fans like or dislike?
>I have a few of their tapes and love em. There is one album of theirs of which
>I love every track (some wag will say at this point 'their greatest hits' ;3)
>) I can't recal its name.
Sounds like deep love.
>
>The problem that I, and I'm sure many others have, is when Jeff Lynne is brought
>in and ELOised Free as a Bird.
>
>Now, granted that was one way of hiding the blemishes of the poor demo that they
>had to work with.....but the Beatle sound is big enough to stand on it's own two
>feet without needing ELOising.
>
>Will
>
Free as a Bird doesn't sound remotely like any ELO song I can think of -- there
are no strings, for one thing. The most one can say is it does resemble in some
respects the Wilbury songs, which probably has as much to do with George's
presence as it does with Jeff Lynne's, and the sound of Ringo's snare and the
way its mixed may owe a bit to Lynne's "big drum" tastes circa "New World
Record" and "Out of the Blue". But overall it doesn't remind me of ELO at all.
And as far as the "Beatle sound" being "big enough to stand on it's own" -- what
does that mean? The Beatles always had very opinionated, forceful producers who
clearly left their marks on the music.
KEA
nowhere man
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 23:18:54 +0000, in article <3A4D1BDE...@lineone.net>,
> nowhere stated:
>
> >
> >I don't think your assertion is correct Rick. Most Beatles fans don't dislike
> >ELO.
> >
>
> How the hell do you know what "most" Beatles fans like or dislike?
Trisha, foxtrot oscar.
> >I have a few of their tapes and love em. There is one album of theirs of which
> >I love every track (some wag will say at this point 'their greatest hits' ;3)
> >) I can't recal its name.
>
> Sounds like deep love.
sounds like you're in one of your moods again.
> >The problem that I, and I'm sure many others have, is when Jeff Lynne is brought
> >in and ELOised Free as a Bird.
> >
> >Now, granted that was one way of hiding the blemishes of the poor demo that they
> >had to work with.....but the Beatle sound is big enough to stand on it's own two
> >feet without needing ELOising.
> >
> >Will
> >
>
> Free as a Bird doesn't sound remotely like any ELO song I can think of
you must be in a minority of one then.
> The most one can say is it does resemble in some
> respects the Wilbury songs, which probably has as much to do with George's
> presence as it does with Jeff Lynne's, and the sound of Ringo's snare and the
> way its mixed may owe a bit to Lynne's "big drum" tastes circa "New World
> Record" and "Out of the Blue". But overall it doesn't remind me of ELO at all.
>
> And as far as the "Beatle sound" being "big enough to stand on it's own" -- what
> does that mean? The Beatles always had very opinionated, forceful producers who
> clearly left their marks on the music.
Trisha, forgive me for saying this, but you do talk out of your arse on most
occasions of late.
Happy new year,
ACS77
czes...@mindspring.com writes:
>George:
>"I have stopped working with Jeff because I did not want him to make ELO
>albums out of my songs," he said. "On this album you can hear guitar, bass
>and drums and no computers."
When and where did you see or hear this?
Just curious,
Rick Vendl II
HeyJude
fabt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I agree. I guess I wouldn't call it an "ELO" sound, rather a "Jeff
> Lynne" sound.
Yes, exactly! I can't understand why people say FAAB and RL "sound like
ELO". They do have many of the Jeff Lynne-produced fingerprints, but that's
totally different from ELO. You'll find that even some ELO fans aren't fans
of Jeff Lynne's more current (as in 80's and on) production style, which
sounds in some ways quite different from what he did with ELO. FAAB and RL
do sound like Jeff Lynne-produced songs to some degree, but not much like
ELO. All of the trademarks of the Lynne production sound, like the dry,
heavy snare heard on FAAB (or even something like "The World Tonight" from
Flaming Pie or "That's What it Takes" from Cloud Nine), the descending
Fender VI bass lines (heard on things like "Let It Shine" from the 1988
Brian Wilson solo album), and other things are mostly things he's developed,
or at least have been more noticable, in his post-ELO days. Listen to the
recent ELO box set "Flashback". On the vintage ELO stuff, there are certain
sounds that would be what we call the ELO sound. Then, listen to the newly
recorded material, or newly overdubbed material, and it sounds totally
different. That newly recorded and overdubbed material sounds much more like
"Armchair Theatre" material (his '90 solo album), or material similar to
"Cloud Nine" production.
> Back to the George/Jeff thing. Jeff has recently said he wants to do a
> new Wilburys album; George says he doesn't want Jeff making ELO albums
> out of his songs. Now, unless George said that with his tongue firmly
> planted in his cheek, doesn't sound to me like he's too keen on ELO or
> Jeff!
Well, I'm a fan of ELO and of Jeff Lynne. I happen to like his style of
production most of the time, and he also writes often times excellent songs
on his own. I really enjoy his 1990 solo album "Armchair Theatre" and let's
not forget that he co-wrote some of the songs on "Cloud Nine." I have to
admit, as a fan of Jeff Lynne, and certainly a fan of George's, I was a bit
disspointed by George's rather harsh quote about not wanting to work with
Jeff. I'm not dissapointed that Jeff won't be producing the album, but I'm
saddened that they've potentially had some sort of falling out. At the same
time, we don't know how George said it. And even if he said it totally with
a straight face and meant it, it doesn't mean he's had a falling out or even
that he dislikes the ELO sound (which as I said above doesn't apply, because
the Jeff Lynne production sound is different from ELO). He just wants a
different sound on his next album. But the potential tone of the quote does
lead one to believe that maybe George in retrospect is dissatisfied with
Jeff's fingerprint's on his music. But as you said above, Jeff didn't force
George into making the songs sound a certain way. And everybody, including
George and the public, seemed to think "Cloud Nine" sounded great. I did,
and still do. As far as the Wilburys, I've always said that even though Jeff
Lynne co-produced both albums (albeit with two different pseudonyms), much
(but not neccisarily all) of the Wilburys material is the exact antithesis
of the ELO sound. Something like "Rattled" from Vol. 1 is the exact opposite
of anything ELO ever did, and much of the Wilburys material sounds very
different even from Lynne-produced music from that time. Granted, something
like "Not Alone Anymore" certainly sounds more Lynne-like, and even in this
isolated case a bit of ELO-esque sound. But many people, including myself,
think that's perhaps the best song on the album. Of course, that also goes
to the fact that Roy Orbison is the greatest singer ever. And Jeff produced
a few songs on his last album, as well as his posthumous album. Man, I will
admit that Jeff Lynne certainly gets around. But I like his production and
songwriting post-ELO, and also his productiona and songwriting in the ELO
days.
But most of the anti-Jeff Lynne sentiment came out as a result of FAAB
and RL, and as I said above it may sound somewhat like it was produced by
Jeff Lynne, but people who said it sounded like ELO either haven't listened
to enough ELO or forgot how ELO sounded different from the 80's production
style of Jeff Lynne. As far as I'm concerned, those two songs sound like the
Beatles. What a shock! :)
nowhere man
> Well, I'm a fan of ELO and of Jeff Lynne. I happen to like his style of
> production most of the time, and he also writes often times excellent songs
> on his own. I really enjoy his 1990 solo album "Armchair Theatre" and let's
> not forget that he co-wrote some of the songs on "Cloud Nine."
Armchair Theatre is a great album...love just about every song on it. It
doesn't get the credit that it's due.
Will
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"This is a digression, but going back to the beginnings of rock and roll, Elvis
and Jerry Lee Lewis and so on were working class entertainment; they were
working class. The Beatles were slightly less working class; for Paul McCartney
and me, at least, going to university was a possibility." John
CBoldman
Yeah, probably since Jeff produced for Paul on Flaming Pie. :-)
ACS77
czes...@mindspring.com writes:
>George:
>"I have stopped working with Jeff because I did not want him to make ELO
>albums out of my songs," he said. "On this album you can hear guitar, bass
>and drums and no computers."
Electric Light Orchestra sounds nothing like Cloud Nine, Traveling Wilburys,
Time Takes Time, Free As A Bird, Real Love, Flaming Pie et al and there were no
computers or drum machines involved in any of these except The Beatles
Anthology Series, has George Harrison completely lost his mind, if he indeed
feels this way, then why even guest on the new Jeff Lynne ELO album?!
Rick Vendl II
David Bailey
such but the synthetic drum sound he achieves by gating. Phil Collins is really
big on it but I've never liked it. To my mind, it is an artificial sound to the
point of sounding like sythesized drums. Ringo always had a distinctive sound to
his drums but that didn't exist on the Lynne produced Beatles singles.
Lynne also keeps drum parts relatively simple. It was in fact one of the reasons
that Stan Lynch decided to leave Tom Petty and the Hearbreakers. To be clear, he
and Lynne got along great but he was bored with what he was asked to play. Lynch
felt that he wasn't being allowed to be a rock and roll drummer.
As for George's thinking on the subject, he has opinions and he's entitled to
them. It certainly doesn't mean that he and Lynne aren't still friends.
db
HeyJude
falling out, because I enjoy both of their talents and of course what they produce
together when they work together. I honestly don't think they've had any sort of
falling out, it's just that George was either a bit cranky or he was just
generalizing a bit or overexaggerating. But, for those out there that might believe
that they have had a falling out, it could conceivably be possible since George's
contributions to the forthcoming new ELO album "Zoom" could have been made any time
in the last 2 1/2 years that Jeff Lynne has been recording the album. The Reprise
Records website had "Jeff Lynne New Album" or some such thing on their "upcoming
releases" website for about 2 years at least starting in 1998 I think. In any
event, I don't think they've had any falling out, I think George just doesn't want
the Jeff Lynne fingerprint production on his new music at this time. I'm well aware
that ELO and the Lynne prouduction sound of the 80's and 90's are two totally
different things (see my other post in this thread), but it's just easier and makes
it sound more to the point to say "I don't want my stuff sounding like ELO." As for
the second sentence of the exerpted quote about being able to hear guitars, bass,
drums, and no computers, I don't think that sentence necissarily relates to the
quote about Jeff Lynne. He could have been going off on another thought. That
section was taken from a longer interview, obviously. I'm a fan of Jeff Lynne, ELO,
and his production both past and present. But at this point, having waited coming
up on 14 years for a new George studio album, I'll take just about any producer! At
least ELO fans had two Wilburys albums with Lynne on them, a Lynne solo album 10-11
years ago as well as the admittedly un-authentic "ELO Part 2", which now goes under
another name. George fans have had 2 or 3 new songs on a hits package, two
Wilburys albums (one of which had no solo George lead vocals), and a live album.
(And of course the two new Beatles songs).
nowhere man
> I think that my sticking point with Jeff Lynne's production is not "computers" as
> such but the synthetic drum sound he achieves by gating. Phil Collins is really
> big on it but I've never liked it. To my mind, it is an artificial sound to the
> point of sounding like sythesized drums.
on a side issue here.what happened to Phil Collin's music? I loved his first two
solo albums in the early 80s. Then his style changed and it all sounded the same.
I am not music wise enough to describe what I hear....but his later work sounds so
similar, so artifical. I just wish he would stick with the old, natural ,ordinary
instruments.....instead of using unreal sounding synths.
> Will
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ickle julia
"Michael L. Vielhaber"
> you don't like the moody blues?
> 60's. Though I enjoy lots of Phil Spector & some Beach Boys, ELO strikes
me
> as overproduced pop fluff. I don't like the songs or Jeff Lynne's
singing:
> the layered vocals always sound processed. For that style, I'd rather
hear
> Abba than either ELO or the Moody Blues.
>
i don't think the moody blues sound processed (if that's what you're
implying). To me, ABBA vocals sound processed. i listen to and love both
though.
as for overproduction, imho phil spector's stuff is overproduced - i don't
like river deep mountain high, and the long and winding road (i find it a
bit sickly).
num...@my-deja.com
nowhere man <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
> I have a few of their tapes and love em. There is one album of
theirs of which
> I love every track (some wag will say at this point 'their greatest
hits' ;3)
> ) I can't recal its name.
>
On the Third Day?.............my fav anyway...
nowhere man
> In article <3A4D1BDE...@lineone.net>,
> nowhere man <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
> > I have a few of their tapes and love em. There is one album of
> theirs of which
> > I love every track (some wag will say at this point 'their greatest
> hits' ;3) I can't recall its name.
>
> On the Third Day?.............my fav anyway...
went and checked..........the ELO album was called Discovery.
Tracks included:
Shine a Little Love
Confusion
Need Her Love
The Diary of Horace Wimp
Last Train To London
Midnight Blue
On The Run
Wishing
Don't Bring Me Down
Graet album. Loved every song.
Will
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friend, and my best friend's my wife. Who could ask for anything
more?" John
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num...@my-deja.com wrote in message <92tcjo$fdl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <3A4D1BDE...@lineone.net>,
> nowhere man <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
>> I have a few of their tapes and love em.
"On The Third Day" is my own favorite. It's the one with Grieg's "Hall of
the Mountain King" on it. Mick Kaminski wails on his fiddle like a madman.
How can you hate a band whose whole raison d'etre was to emulate "I Am The
Walrus," ie, to combine strings with guitars, but in a very progressive way?
That's what Roy Wood had in mind when he sprang the idea on his fellow band
members Jeff Lynne and Bev Bevan, then playing a similar type of music as
the Move. Unfortunately, Wood and Lynne couldn't agree on the direction the
band should take, so Wood bowed out after the first album. The rest is happy
history.
Anyone is entitled to dislike any band they choose- my personal bane of
existence is Foreigner- but if that hatred for ELO is based on the misguided
conception that they tried to copy the Beatles' sound, then those people are
suffering under a false delusion. And I wonder if those people who despise
ELO also dislike Badfinger, who did try to sound like the Fab 4, but did it
very well.
CharmedParticles
>
>num...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> > I have a few of their tapes and love em. There is one album of
>> theirs of which
>> > I love every track (some wag will say at this point 'their greatest
>> hits' ;3) I can't recall its name.
>>
>> On the Third Day?.............my fav anyway...
>
>went and checked..........the ELO album was called Discovery.
>
>Tracks included:
> Shine a Little Love
> Confusion
> Need Her Love
> The Diary of Horace Wimp
> Last Train To London
> Midnight Blue
> On The Run
> Wishing
> Don't Bring Me Down
>
>Graet album. Loved every song.
One of the greatest album ever released! Truly a CLASSIC! Jeff Lynne is one
of the world's greatest composers / producers / singers!
Adam Miller
album it sounds like an ELO album, not a George Harrison album or a Tom
Petty album or a Paul McCartney album.
Adam
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> Here's an interesting question, my Mom is a lifelong Beatles Fan since
1964,
> she along with myself could always tell the more than obvious differences
> between these two great bands respective song catalogs, we enjoy both, yet
> still keep an open mind to think each are legendary rock and roll artists
of
> our time in their own right!
>
> Rick Vendl II