Is Chapman Jewish?
WS Krispy
Abrams guy apparently is?
Even if both are Jewish, I'm not trying to draw any particular
significance from it. Just curious.
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ws krispy
Tom
>Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
>Abrams guy apparently is?
>
No, he's not.
JLS
WS Krispy skrev i meldingen <386E43A0...@home.com>...
>Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
>Abrams guy apparently is?
>
>significance from it. Just curious.
>
>--
>ws krispy
" particular significance"Do you think the whole thing is a jewish
conspiracy??????
JLS
Beatles MP3s
zekelo
Beatles MP3s
then everyone with a chip on their shoulder would have someting to bitch about
for the next few days?
Francie
> Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
> Abrams guy apparently is?
>
> Even if both are Jewish, I'm not trying to draw any particular
> significance from it. Just curious.
>
> --
> ws krispy
It's *Abram*, not "Abrams"...
and it wouldn't have anything to do with his actions in any case.
francie
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interstate5
stated:
>
>
>
>Very unlikely that one with last name Abrams _or_ Abram is not at
>least part Jewish. Of course, one can be 100% ethnically Jewish and
>a "Christian religious fanatic".
>
Are we engaged in the World Series of stupidity? Krispy, you've got MVP sewn
up, you fucking moron.
Anyway, this thread -- this post -- is finally too much for me. On the first
day of 2000, yet, Krispy gives us a valuable reminder of man's ineluctable
Neanderthal origins.
There are a few bright people here, but Jesus Christ, I've never seen such pure,
concentrated idiocy as has been on display since George got stabbed.
Best of luck to all of you.
interstate5
Nowhere Man
>
> Can any devout Christian be a John Lennon fan considering what he says about
> their religion in his songs?
yes
Diana
At least, that's what his ex-girlfriend says.
Before I get bombarded, I think a fanatic is a fanatic, and religion (or the
Beatles or politics) is just a convenient medium through which to express
fanaticism. Not of these things are *inherently* attractive to fanatics.
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WS Krispy
zekelo wrote:
>
> Let's say he is Jewish.....then what?
If he is Jewish, then... nothing. I happen to explain a lot of the
world in ethnological terms, sort of the way others use astrology.
It's very "incorrect", but I don't care.
I feel most of the misery in this world is caused by ethnic/racial
hatred. In fact, most of the the shit that's been put down to
religion (the "how many have killed in the name of Christ" stuff)
has really just been the old ethnic thing in disguise. You think the
problem between the Brits and the Irish is a Protestant vs. Catholic
thing? Naw. It's an Anglo-Norman vs. Gael thing.
If both Chapman and Abram were Jewish, there would be no direct
conclusion to be made. It would just be more data for the old data
banks. The Jews are fascinating to me because they're one of the few
groups in whom the religious thing and the ethnic thing both run
deep. When one of them goes haywire, like Son of Sam, it's extra
interesting to try and see why... If it starts to look like there's
something about ex-Beatles that knocks loonies of a particular
ethnicity off their rockers-- that's an intriguing thing to me.
Also, it's the kind of thing that people will definitely note but
won't talk about, because of its Incorrectness. Yet it will bubble
and boil inside them. If I were a red-blooded Brit and it looked
like maybe people from a particular non-Brit group were offing or
trying to off my Beatles, what would be better-- to air my feelings
or hold them tight inside?
--
ws krispy
Shobus
>groups in whom the religious thing and the ethnic thing both run
>deep.
Does anyone know why this is? I know that, in the past, the proper distinction
was Jewish for the religious affiliation, and Hebrew for the ethnicity.
It is amazing how many christians do not like Jews, since christianity is just
an offshoot of Judaism.
WS Krispy
Diana wrote:
>
> It's Michael Abram (no "s"). Like Chapman, he's a Christian religious fanatic.
> At least, that's what his ex-girlfriend says.
>
Very unlikely that one with last name Abrams _or_ Abram is not at
least part Jewish. Of course, one can be 100% ethnically Jewish and
a "Christian religious fanatic".
> Before I get bombarded, I think a fanatic is a fanatic, and religion (or the
> Beatles or politics) is just a convenient medium through which to express
> fanaticism. Not of these things are *inherently* attractive to fanatics.
>
I agree totally.
> - - - - -
> Hari Scruffs: http://www.hariscruffs.com
>
> Beatles' upcoming releases:
> http://hometown.aol.com/amaranth56/myhomepage/index.html
--
ws krispy
Sisyphus
>just
>an offshoot of Judaism.
>
not to mention the fact that Jesus was a Jew...
alley
Famwise
>> Abrams guy apparently is?
>>
The Jewish surname would more likely be spelled Abrahm, with an "h." Anyway,
this guy is not Jewish and neither is Chapman.
And what is the implication here anyway?
WS Krispy
interstate5 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 02:30:22 GMT, in article <386EB7E2...@home.com>, WS
> stated:
> >
> >
> >least part Jewish. Of course, one can be 100% ethnically Jewish and
> >a "Christian religious fanatic".
> >
>
> up, you fucking moron.
Would you care to say what strikes you as so stupid? Or do you just
enjoy inverting your sphincter with your mouth and spewing? Are you
saying it's foolish to think Abram/Abrams is probably a Jewish name?
Are you saying it's moronic to care whether a given person belongs
to a given ethnic/cultural group? Are you saying one can't be born
Jewish and end up a believing Christian? Just what are saying, Mr.
Highway?
>
> Anyway, this thread -- this post -- is finally too much for me. On the first
> day of 2000, yet, Krispy gives us a valuable reminder of man's ineluctable
> Neanderthal origins.
>
>
"Ineluctable" means "unavoidable". Krispy gives us a valuable
reminder of man's unavoidable Neanderthal origins? Are origins and
Neanderthals in the future? Or is this bloke who likes to call other
people fucking morons a fucking moron?
> There are a few bright people here,
Yes, you're quite the arbiter of bright and un-bright people,
ain'tcha?
> but Jesus Christ, I've never seen such pure,
> concentrated idiocy as has been on display since George got stabbed.
>
> Best of luck to all of you.
>
> interstate5
I take it that your problem is you believe me to be an anti-semite.
I got news for ya pal-- I'm a rabid pro-semite. I admire Jewish
culture and history like all get out, I married a Jewish girl and my
kids are being raised as Jews... Now try to use the little organ at
the tip of your spine the next time you go to post to a newsgroup.
--
ws krispy
EMDMA
?????????
yikes. Don't go there, dude.
ciao
WS Krispy <wskr...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> zekelo wrote:
> >
> > Let's say he is Jewish.....then what?
>
> If he is Jewish, then... nothing. I happen to explain a lot of the
> world in ethnological terms, sort of the way others use astrology.
> It's very "incorrect", but I don't care.
>
> I feel most of the misery in this world is caused by ethnic/racial
> hatred. In fact, most of the the shit that's been put down to
> religion (the "how many have killed in the name of Christ" stuff)
> has really just been the old ethnic thing in disguise. You think the
> problem between the Brits and the Irish is a Protestant vs. Catholic
> thing? Naw. It's an Anglo-Norman vs. Gael thing.
>
> If both Chapman and Abram were Jewish, there would be no direct
> conclusion to be made. It would just be more data for the old data
> banks. The Jews are fascinating to me because they're one of the few
> groups in whom the religious thing and the ethnic thing both run
EMDMA
would have killed Lennon if they could have got near him...
WS Krispy <wskr...@home.com> wrote in message
news:386E43A0...@home.com...
> Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
> Abrams guy apparently is?
>
Chris
their religion in his songs?
EMDMA wrote in message ...
Tom
>Can any devout Christian be a John Lennon fan considering what he says
about
>their religion in his songs?
>
Yes
Chris
Tom wrote in message ...
>
>
>>Can any devout Christian be a John Lennon fan considering what he says
>about
>>their religion in his songs?
>>
>Yes
Sisyphus
>their religion in his songs?
>
why not? just because you don't agree with what he's saying doesn't mean you
can't appreciate his music and respect his point of view...
alley
Tom
>>>Can any devout Christian be a John Lennon fan considering what he says
>>about
>>>their religion in his songs?
>>>
>>Yes
>But how do you feel when he criticises Christianity
>
I have no problem with it. Of course, I'm not any kind of Christian.
However, all the devout Christians who I've known would tell you that it's
possible to admire his achievements while disagreeing with his religious
views. Some might even find common ground with him. For instance, I'm
guessing that you have the line "Imagine no religion" in mind here. I think
many Christians would agree that religion has been a very divisive force in
the history of mankind.
Tom
DblFantasy wrote in message
<20000102185758...@ng-bj1.aol.com>...
>>However, all the devout Christians who I've known would tell you that it's
>>possible to admire his achievements while disagreeing with his religious
>>views.
>
you
>look closely at photos from the Lost Weekend, he's wearing a crucifix.
That's because he was afraid of Vampires. After all, Jack Douglas says in
the Beatlefan interview that he warned John about people who'd "suck his
blood."
Now, how does wearing a crucifix contradict an opposition to the divisive
nature of religion? Even in the "bigger than Jesus" interview, he says
something to the effect that "Jesus is just alright with me."
Tracy
> he says
> >about
> >>their religion in his songs?
> >>
> >Yes
> But how do you feel when he criticises Christianity
How much of Lennon's music or interviews have you listened to? He may
have criticized Christianity as he did many things, but he did not
attack it or the followers of Christianity.
John didn't believe in organized religion or the practice of church
going. He believed the church is in your head. I admire him for those
beliefs.
Trace
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Chris wrote:
>
> imagine no heaven ???
>
> Tracy wrote in message <1b0840d8...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>...
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> imagine no heaven ???
That's really sort of what most reform jews believe - it's the good you do in
this life that lives forever - not some place in the sky where you get a
reward from some judge...
I think most of the people in our generation (born in the 40's, war babies as
it were) went through plenty of changes during the 60s as far as "faith" is
concerned. John certainly did some serious self-examination as evidenced by
POB and Imagine. He had suffered for having made the "more popular than
Jesus" remark. His apology is mostly forgotten - he said "I never said the
Beatles were *better* than..."
Certainly the fundamentalists of that era got nuts over his comment.
But if you think about it, John was actually reacting with no small degree of
disgust about Beatlemania, as far back as '65, and by '68, wanted to find a
life beyond Beatlemania. In his anthology, there's a part where he describes
himself as a "socialist Christian"! I found his kaleidoscopic personality
fascinating. Some people found him too outspoken, especially when Yoko was by
his side.But I'm glad he felt confident enough to say even more after they
were married.
BTW, I don't think Chapman is a very good example of a "Born Again"
Christian...
francie
Tom
>imagine no heaven ???
>
Try imagining it. Now ask yourself, is a belief in heaven worth killing
other people over?
Sisyphus
>you
>look closely at photos from the Lost Weekend, he's wearing a crucifix.
i don't think that necessarily means that he didn't believe anything he said. i
think it's possible to be as disillusioned by religion as john expressed, yet
be a believer in a sense at the same time. faith is a funny thing in that
aspect.
alley
Chris
Dee
On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Chris wrote:
> imagine no heaven ???
It's easy if you try
Certainly more easy to imagine that than to believe on faith that such a
place actually does exist.
Bruce Machinery
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esras...@tpg.com.au
> Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
> Abrams guy apparently is?
>
> Even if both are Jewish, I'm not trying to draw any particular
> significance from it. Just curious.
>
> --
> ws krispy
opales...@gmail.com
> Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
> Abrams guy apparently is?
>
> Even if both are Jewish, I'm not trying to draw any particular
> significance from it. Just curious.
>
> --
> ws krispy
So I feel that spirituality can be very helpful to people. All people. And those who aren't spiritual are to be pitied and disowned. It's God's wish.
Some may point out that Mark was spiritual, yet he performed the immoral act of harming Yoko and Sean through what he did to their husband, who also had recently achieved spirituality through baking. But it wasn't spirit who made Mark behave in such an unfeeling way. It was the book that he kept with him, not a Bible or Torah, or even a copy of Dancing in the Light, but a cold heartless book.
I pray that Mark renews his relationship with God. And when he does, I may bring him a pie...
Decorated with pretezels and marshmallows...
genuineuni
> Let's say he is Jewish.....then what?
Uni :-)
patrici...@student.hartnell.edu
> Does anyone know if Mark David Chapman is Jewish, as this Micheal
> Abrams guy apparently is?
>
> Even if both are Jewish, I'm not trying to draw any particular
> significance from it. Just curious.
>
> --
> ws krispy
aubs...@gmail.com
And He is a Zionist Christian. Might as well be a hooked nose
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“One day in passing by the place of Siloe, where there was a great concourse of people, I observed in the midst of the group a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between him and those listening to him. His golden-colored hair and beard gave him the appearance of a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years old. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a Contrast between him and his bearers, with their black beards and tawny completion!“
Last time I checked Jews don’t have blonde hair.
Norbert K
Chapman might be an acid casualty. I read a biography about him; it wasn't that interesting, but his serious disturbances didn't develop until after extensive acid taking.