John Lennon planned to reunite the Beatles
BibsBro
fatt...@yahoo.com
> http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
Fascinating. I believe John would have wanted the Beatles to get back
together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
overpowering forces.
Jeff
We'll never know. John constantly changed his mind, and I think it was
probably better they didn't reunite..cause you can't bring back what
once was.
Raja
> http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
What is with John and Japanese hookers?
Jeff
Oh yes. Yoko is powerful enough to make it rain, snow, flood etc.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Sometimes one can bring back what once was. IMO it would have been
great if the Beatles reunited for a finite project or two such as a
few concerts or an album.
The surviving Beatles reunited for the Anthology DVD and CD's, and I'm
glad they did. I really enjoyed those releases. Here is another
example: many people have given rave revues to the Love show in Vegas.
A bitter elitist
"Why should the Beatles give more? Didn't they give everything on
God's earth for ten years? Didn't they give themselves? You're like
the typical sort of love-hate fan who says, 'Thank you for everything
you did for us in the Sixties... would you just give me another shot?
Just one more miracle?'" --JOL, 1980
A bitter elitist
> Sometimes one can bring back what once was. IMO it would have been
> great if the Beatles reunited for a finite project or two such as a
> few concerts or an album.
"If they didn't understand the Beatles and the Sixties then, what the
fuck could we do for them now? Do we have to divide the fish and the
loaves for the multitudes again? Do we have to get crucified again? Do
we have to do the walking on water again because a whole pile of
dummies didn't see it the first time, or didn't believe it when they
saw it? You know, that's what they're asking: 'Get off the cross. I
didn't understand the first bit yet. Can you do that again?' No way.
You can never go home. It doesn't exist." ---JOL, 1980
F Parella
> http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
Boy, would I love to have the 600-page version of May's book. And I
know that the original versions of some of the other good books on
Lennon had huge sections that were cut out.
As for this idea that Lennon was at the very least open to reuniting
the Beatles in '74, there's tons of evidence for this. Just look at
his interviews from this period. This was an active and healthy time
in his life, so it's no surprise, really, that his attitude towards
Macca & Co. became friendly again.
F Parella
She was powerful enough to manipulate Lennon.
A bitter elitist
> glad they did. I really enjoyed those releases.
"I hope somebody does this to all my crap demos when I'm dead, make
them into hit songs." --GH, 1995
Bernie Woodham
"A bitter elitist" <jimmyca...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2245fa60-aa37-4cba...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Looking up that quote I found a link to this that states this is the last
time Lennon/McCartney were photographed together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDrCV6Qielo
That doesn't look like McCartney, that looks like Keith Moon.
Bernie Woodham
"Bernie Woodham" <birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:VO-dndnWk6FHbIDV...@insightbb.com...
Oh damn. Keith Moon is sitting between them. McCartney is on the right.
Didn't recognize him.
fatt...@yahoo.com
wrote:
John often waxed and waned. I have seen a interview or two during the
Lost Weekend when he spoke fondly of the Beatles and said he would
consider a project together. Further, in the late 1970's when the
Beatles were involved in a lawsuit, John gave an affidavit or
deposition where he swore that the Beatles were planning to do another
project.
Further, Jack Douglas stated that when he was with John in the studio
John would sometimes reminisce about the Beatle days with fondness,
and further stated he wanted to make Yoko a star because once she was
famous on her own, he wanted to work again "with the boys." I've
assumed that last remark refers to the Beatles although it could mean
working with the studio musicians on Double Fantasy.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Good points. When he left May, he "retreated" into his cave, stopped
socializing, etc. Although he refers to his time with May as the Lost
Weekend, that was a very productive and in some ways a happy period
for him. Some would argue that John became "lost" when he returned to
the Dakota.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
Here is a link to one Lennon interview from 1976 . . . . John
essentially says he would enjoy getting back with the Beatles although
he did not commit to taking the initiative.
Jeff
Yeah right..like if I had the power to manipulate you. See, it doesn't
work that way..or do you agree that I have that kind of power?
O'Leary III
> The surviving Beatles reunited for the Anthology DVD and CD's, and I'm
> glad they did.
Don't forget the LP's, VHS's and LD's.
O'Leary III
> Yeah right..like if I had the power to manipulate you. See, it doesn't
> work that way..or do you agree that I have that kind of power?
You do. Thanks for the pepperoni. NOT!
O'Leary III
> When he left May, he "retreated" into his cave, stopped
> socializing, etc.
> Some would argue that John became "lost" when he returned to
> the Dakota.
You should be so lost in such a nice cave.
O'Leary III
BlackMonk
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7bb3014a-e4b2-4f00...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> As for this idea that Lennon was at the very least open to reuniting
> the Beatles in '74, there's tons of evidence for this. Just look at
> his interviews from this period. This was an active and healthy time
> in his life, so it's no surprise, really, that his attitude towards
> Macca & Co. became friendly again.
<Good points. When he left May, he "retreated" into his cave, stopped
socializing, etc. >
You mean he stopped socializing with the people you thought he should have
been socializing with.
< Although he refers to his time with May as the Lost
Weekend, that was a very productive and in some ways a happy period
for him. >
If we're playing armchair psychologist, we could just as easily say that he
was lost without Yoko and was trying to fill the void by playing "rock star"
and reliving his youth.
He was more productive during the 68-70 period -though since you don't like
everything he did then, those things don't count in your mind- when he and
Yoko were together.
Did you ever think that, perhaps, his productivity had more to do with him
than it did with who he was with?
< Some would argue that John became "lost" when he returned to
the Dakota. >
If you want to argue with John, fine.
The World Wide Wade
<b76d46c0-fc41-4b62...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
fatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
There's no way I will go see that. Some friends gave me the CD of the
show, god bless them. No way will i go and sit down to itsy bitsy
pieces of the boys stiched together like that.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
wrote:
> In article
> <b76d46c0-fc41-4b62-8ae4-c5a1808b3...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
hey, it worked for Frankenstein
fatt...@yahoo.com
Speaking of "caves", I read that a storage room in the basement there
recently sold for over $800,000, setting a real estate record. Oy!
That must be some storage room.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> He was more productive during the 68-70 period -though since you don't like
> everything he did then, those things don't count in your mind- when he and
> Yoko were together.
Please don't put words in my mouth. Of course John was productive
from 1968-1970, and there are quite a few things John did which I like
very much. I was not talking about that time period. I was talking
about the period after The Lost Weekend.
Different people measure "productive" differently. However if one
defines "productive" as related to John working as a musician creating
albums, doing concerts, etc. he was not very productive at all from
1975 through 1979 or so. He essentially "retired" and stated as such.
fatt...@yahoo.com
John described himself as a chameleon, influenced by who he was with.
(IIRC this quote was in the book Beatles Anthology) I think this
shows in his music, for example. The production, arrangement and
"sound" of his music with the Beatles was different in many ways from
his solo work.
Geoff Emerick reported in his book Here There and Everywhere that John
was often open to suggestions from Paul or others in the studio,
especially compared to Paul who often was more precise (and more
stubborn) in what he wanted.
With regard to your point that John's productivity had to do with
"him" more than who he was with, I guess I can't provide a precise
balance, but it is clear May and/or Yoko exerted influences on John in
many ways. For example, thanks to May's suggestions, John was
reunited with Julian during the Lost Weekend.
As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
"reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
and she would be the bread winner. John agreed to be a househusband
while Yoko supposedly ran the family business. So, yes, I would say
John's productivity as a musician was very much influenced during that
time period.
By Yoko's own words, she gave John an ultimatum, and John decided he
wanted to save his baby's life.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> On May 4, 10:47?pm, The World Wide Wade <aderamey.a...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <b76d46c0-fc41-4b62-8ae4-c5a1808b3...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > On May 4, 8:42?am, Jeff <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > On May 4, 7:02?am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 4, 6:15?am, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
>
> > > > > together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
> > > > > Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
> > > > > overpowering forces.
>
> > > > We'll never know. John constantly changed his mind, and I think it was
> > > > probably better they didn't reunite..cause you can't bring back what
> > > > once was.
>
> > > great if the Beatles reunited for a finite project or two such as a
> > > few concerts or an album.
>
> > > The surviving Beatles reunited for the Anthology DVD and CD's, and I'm
> > > glad they did. I really enjoyed those releases. Here is another
>
> > There's no way I will go see that. Some friends gave me the CD of the
> > show, god bless them. No way will i go and sit down to itsy bitsy
> > pieces of the boys stiched together like that.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL!
F Parella
What are you smoking?
A bitter elitist
Reality. Try it sometime.
F Parella
>
Sorry, Jeff, your post doesn't make sense to me.
Manfred Noland
Jeff
I was just trying to say that nobody has the power to control another
person, without that person's permission, so if John was controlled by
Yoko, it was with his permission.
bessie
wrote:
> On May 4, 10:50 am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Sometimes one can bring back what once was. IMO it would have been
> > great if the Beatles reunited for a finite project or two such as a
> > few concerts or an album.
>
> fuck could we do for them now? Do we have to divide the fish and the
> loaves for the multitudes again? Do we have to get crucified again? Do
> we have to do the walking on water again because a whole pile of
> dummies didn't see it the first time, or didn't believe it when they
> saw it? You know, that's what they're asking: 'Get off the cross. I
> didn't understand the first bit yet. Can you do that again?' No way.
> You can never go home. It doesn't exist." ---JOL, 1980
Thanks, although fatts doesnt Grok this.
Frank from Deeetroit
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:910e87ea-40bf-4f94...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 4, 11:52 am, A bitter elitist <jimmycarlwh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On May 4, 8:02 am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On May 4, 6:15 am, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
>
> > Fascinating. I believe John would have wanted the Beatles to get back
> > together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
> > Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
> > overpowering forces.
>
> "Why should the Beatles give more? Didn't they give everything on
> God's earth for ten years? Didn't they give themselves? You're like
> the typical sort of love-hate fan who says, 'Thank you for everything
> you did for us in the Sixties... would you just give me another shot?
> Just one more miracle?'" --JOL, 1980
>>John often waxed and waned. I have seen a interview or two during the
>>Lost Weekend when he spoke fondly of the Beatles and said he would
>consider a project together. Further, in the late 1970's when the
>Beatles were involved in a lawsuit, John gave an affidavit or
>deposition where he swore that the Beatles were planning to do another
>project.
The project John mentioned in deposition was to be called "The Long and
Winding Road" a chronical of the Beatles history.
Jeff
> Sometimes one can bring back what once was.
Well, the thing nobody talks about, is the possibility that the
Beatles didn't want to re-unite, is because the Beatles had no idea of
how the audience would have reacted. The main thing is, it wouldn't
have been Beatlemania all over again..and those mostly screaming girls
would have been 10 years older..by 1974. Without
this, it would have ruined their image forever..and say...if it could
have been recaptured in some way..like you might think, it still would
have ruined their image..IMO.
The other thing is, the audience would have expected their oldies
hits, and 4 guys singing "She loves you" and "I wanna hold your hand"
would have looked silly..for
4 guys in their 30's..shaking their heads..and all that.
> The surviving Beatles reunited for the Anthology DVD and CD's, and I'm
> glad they did.
Me too..but they should have done it years earlier..cause to me it was
boring..cause they weren't the same guys anymore. I almost fell asleep
with the DVD's.
I really enjoyed those releases. Here is another
> example: many people have given rave revues to the Love show in Vegas.
bessie
> YT#1, toleratin':
>
> > Different people measure "productive" differently. However if one
> > defines "productive" as related to John working as a musician creating
> > albums, doing concerts, etc. he was not very productive at all from
> > 1975 through 1979 or so. He essentially "retired" and stated as such.
>
He only married Yoko to piss Gay off don't ya know?
fatt...@yahoo.com
> On May 5, 9:03 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 3:52 pm, Jeff <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 11:55 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > On May 4, 7:02?am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 6:15?am, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
>
> > > > > > together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
> > > > > > Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
> > > > > > overpowering forces.
>
> > > > > Oh yes. Yoko is powerful enough to make it rain, snow, flood etc.
>
> > > > She was powerful enough to manipulate Lennon.
>
> > > Yeah right..like if I had the power to manipulate you. See, it doesn't
> > > work that way..or do you agree that I have that kind of power?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry, Jeff, your post doesn't make sense to me.
>
> I was just trying to say that nobody has the power to control another
> person, without that person's permission, so if John was controlled by
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think you are being idealistic. There are many situations where one
person can exert great influence on another i.e. a wife telling her
husband "I will abort our baby unless you do as I say."
fatt...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:910e87ea-40bf-4f94...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 4, 11:52 am, A bitter elitist <jimmycarlwh...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 8:02 am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 6:15 am, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
>
> > > Fascinating. I believe John would have wanted the Beatles to get back
> > > together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
> > > Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
> > > overpowering forces.
>
> > "Why should the Beatles give more? Didn't they give everything on
> > God's earth for ten years? Didn't they give themselves? You're like
> > the typical sort of love-hate fan who says, 'Thank you for everything
> > you did for us in the Sixties... would you just give me another shot?
> > Just one more miracle?'" --JOL, 1980
> >>John often waxed and waned. I have seen a interview or two during the
> >>Lost Weekend when he spoke fondly of the Beatles and said he would
> >consider a project together. Further, in the late 1970's when the
> >Beatles were involved in a lawsuit, John gave an affidavit or
> >deposition where he swore that the Beatles were planning to do another
> >project.
>
> The project John mentioned in deposition was to be called "The Long and
> Winding Road" a chronical of the Beatles history.
It sounds like a precurser to Beatles Anthology.
Sean Carroll
> I was just trying to say that nobody has the power to control another
> person, without that person's permission, so if John was controlled by
> Yoko, it was with his permission.
'Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one that can control me is
me, and that's just barely possible.' --John Lennon
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com
House: Is he Canadian?
Cameron: He is a low priority.
House: Is that a yes?
Frank from Deeetroit
BlackMonk
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d4693dc1-2880-4505...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
< As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
"reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
and she would be the bread winner. >
More dishonesty from you.
Yoko has stated that she considered an abortion. She also said that she told
John that she wanted him to take care of Sean after he was born. (Imagine
that, a father raising his son, how horrible)
She did NOT say that she told John she would have an abortion if he didn't
stay home.
For you to run two seperate statements together and claim she gave John that
ultimatium is, as I said, dishonest.
abe slaney
> <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4693dc1-2880-4505...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> < As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
> stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
> "reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
> interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
> abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
> and she would be the bread winner. >
>
> More dishonesty from you.
>
> Yoko has stated that she considered an abortion. She also said that she told
> John that she wanted him to take care of Sean after he was born. (Imagine
> that, a father raising his son, how horrible)
>
> She did NOT say that she told John she would have an abortion if he didn't
> stay home.
>
> For you to run two seperate statements together and claim she gave John that
> ultimatium is, as I said, dishonest.
Fatts: cite?
O'Leary III
> 'Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one that can control me is
> me, and that's just barely possible.' --John Lennon
Funny you should mention John Lennon.
O'Leary III
> Speaking of "caves", I read that a storage room in the basement there
> recently sold for over $800,000, setting a real estate record. Oy!
> That must be some storage room.
The room with all the file cabinets was pretty impressive, too.
לשון ־ אַשכּנז
O'Leary III
> Please don't put words in my mouth. Of course John was productive
> from 1968-1970, and there are quite a few things John did which I like
> very much. I was not talking about that time period. I was talking
> about the period after The Lost Weekend.
Whay do you call it that if you think it wsn't that?
> Different people measure "productive" differently. However if one
> defines "productive" as related to John working as a musician creating
> albums, doing concerts, etc. he was not very productive at all from
> 1975 through 1979 or so. He essentially "retired" and stated as such.
He was very productive in what he considered a priority.
Jeff
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sure, but that doesn't mean you have to do what they say. I put my
food down, and never let any woman push me around. Once they start,
they don't quit. It's not that
bad being alone, if I have to. So many of my friends are pussy
whipped. Screw that.
Oh, one last thing: Any woman who would threaten to abort the baby..
(what you wrote above) is a scum low life anyhow. Who needs her?
brilton
>
>
> Sure, but that doesn't mean you have to do what they say. I put my
> food down, and never let any woman push me around.
Do you have problems about being nagged by your spouse to finish your
dinner??
fatt...@yahoo.com
> <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d4693dc1-2880-4505...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> < As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
> stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
> "reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
> interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
> abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
> and she would be the bread winner. >
>
> More dishonesty from you.
>
> Yoko has stated that she considered an abortion. She also said that she told
> John that she wanted him to take care of Sean after he was born. (Imagine
> that, a father raising his son, how horrible)
Wrong wrong wrong. Stop putting a Elliot Mintzian spin on things.
Would you like it if I called you a liar? Don't get hysterical, BM.
Read the two volume set The Beatles Off the Record. There are direct
Yoko quotes in one of those volumes . . . I've mentioned it here at
rmb months ago. I don't feel like quoting it and/or discussing it
over and over again. The information comes from Yoko.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> BlackMonk wrote:
> > <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
OK, I'll do it for you. No offense to BM . . . . I had discussed
this before at rmb and was tired of doing it over and over, but I'll
give you cites since you ask so nicely . . . .
Keith Badman, The Beatles The Dream is Over, Off the Record Volume 2,
page 177.
The book mentions Sean's birth October 1975 and then has a few quotes
including the following:
John: We worked hard for that child. We went through all hell
together . . . . They said she had had too many miscarriages and when
she was a young girl, there were no pills, so there were a lot of
abortions and miscarriages. . . . . .
Yoko: When I discovered I was pregnant, I agreed to go ahead and give
birth only if John and I totally reversed our roles. I would take on
the job of the breadwinner while he became Sean's full time mother to
the child. John was so delighted at the prospect of becoming a dad
again that he actually stayed in hospital after the birth of the new
arrival to feed him. I dropped an emotional curtain between Sean and
myself. As a mother I had opted out. . . . . . .I must confess I had
not wanted to have a baby. I wanted an abortion but John wouldn't hear
of it. so I told him, 'OK. I'll have the baby. But after that, though,
he's definitely got to be your responsibility."
BTW it is possible these quotes are from two different interviews.
If BM does not like my remarks, he can complain to Yoko. It's her
quote. This is who and what she is. Some fans don't want to believe
it. They don't want to see it.
fatt...@yahoo.com
fatt...@yahoo.com
> fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Please don't put words in my mouth. Of course John was productive
> > from 1968-1970, and there are quite a few things John did which I like
> > very much. I was not talking about that time period. I was talking
> > about the period after The Lost Weekend.
>
> Whay do you call it that if you think it wsn't that?
It can be called many things. Perhaps one title is "A time when John
emerged from his cage."
Or
"A time when John reuinited with his son Julian."
Or
"A time when John fell in love and had sex on a regular basis."
Or
"A time when John ran wild, drinking too much and doing drugs."
Or
"all of the above."
But frankly, I don't see it as a "lost" period at all. There were
many positive things.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Thanks, Jeff. If I were to say that, I'd be drawn and quartered.
fatt...@yahoo.com
I don't have to be nagged to finish my meal. I finish my meal all the
time.
That's my problem. :-)
fatt...@yahoo.com
Here is a link to the book. I have the 2002 version. This book may be
out of print and available used:
http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Dream-Over-Off-Record/dp/0711988021/ref=reader_req_dp
Sean Carroll
'Lots of files.'
'Lots and LOTS of files.'
> ???? ? ???????
My 'decode ROT-13' command doesn't seem to be working on this.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com
House: I invited you because bowling isn't one of the two things guys do by
themselves.
Chase: What's the second thing?
House: Other hand.
Jeff
Oh, I said food...instead of foot. LOL
RichL
I see no "threat" here. You see what you want to see.
Yoko made a proposal. John accepted it.
bessie
> <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d4693dc1-2880-4505...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> < As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
> stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
> "reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
> interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
> abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
> and she would be the bread winner. >
>
> More dishonesty from you.
>
> Yoko has stated that she considered an abortion. She also said that she told
> John that she wanted him to take care of Sean after he was born. (Imagine
> that, a father raising his son, how horrible)
Yep, pretty clear cut. But fatts has to put that Goldman spin on
everything relating to Yoko
Yoko = Evil remember?
bessie
> On May 5, 6:53 pm, abe slaney <abeslane...@itagain.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > BlackMonk wrote:
> > > <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:d4693dc1-2880-4505...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > < As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
> > > stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
> > > "reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
> > > interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
> > > abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
> > > and she would be the bread winner. >
>
> > > More dishonesty from you.
>
> > > Yoko has stated that she considered an abortion. She also said that she told
> > > John that she wanted him to take care of Sean after he was born. (Imagine
> > > that, a father raising his son, how horrible)
>
> > > She did NOT say that she told John she would have an abortion if he didn't
> > > stay home.
>
> > > For you to run two seperate statements together and claim she gave John that
> > > ultimatium is, as I said, dishonest.
>
> > Fatts: cite?-
>
> OK, I'll do it for you. No offense to BM . . . . I had discussed
> this before at rmb and was tired of doing it over and over,
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
You? TIred of doing Yoko bashubg over and
over?????????????????????????????????????
but I'll
> give you cites since you ask so nicely . . . .
>
> Keith Badman, The Beatles The Dream is Over, Off the Record Volume 2,
> page 177.
>
> The book mentions Sean's birth October 1975 and then has a few quotes
> including the following:
>
> John: We worked hard for that child. We went through all hell
> together . . . . They said she had had too many miscarriages and when
> she was a young girl, there were no pills, so there were a lot of
> abortions and miscarriages. . . . . .
>
> Yoko: When I discovered I was pregnant, I agreed to go ahead and give
> birth only if John and I totally reversed our roles. I would take on
> the job of the breadwinner while he became Sean's full time mother to
> the child. John was so delighted at the prospect of becoming a dad
> again that he actually stayed in hospital after the birth of the new
> arrival to feed him. I dropped an emotional curtain between Sean and
> myself. As a mother I had opted out. . . . . . .I must confess I had
> not wanted to have a baby. I wanted an abortion but John wouldn't hear
> of it. so I told him, 'OK. I'll have the baby. But after that, though,
> he's definitely got to be your responsibility."
>
And John agreed, no threat just a couple agreeing to their roles.
Just because it doesnt suit YOUR agenda there has to be something
wrong with it.
> BTW it is possible these quotes are from two different interviews.
>
> If BM does not like my remarks, he can complain to Yoko. It's her
> quote. This is who and what she is. Some fans don't want to believe
> it. They don't want to see it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
See what? That John agreed to be the full time parent and Yoko stepped
out? That was made very clear from the beginning.
fatt...@yahoo.com
ROTFLMAO. Baaaahaaaahaaaaaa.
I really thought you meant food. I had this image of you sitting at
the dinner table, putting down your food. LOLOLOLOL.
Thanks, I needed that.
F Parella
wrote:
> On May 4, 10:50 am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Sometimes one can bring back what once was. IMO it would have been
> > great if the Beatles reunited for a finite project or two such as a
> > few concerts or an album.
>
> "If they didn't understand the Beatles and the Sixties then, what the
> fuck could we do for them now? Do we have to divide the fish
Is that from the same interview where Lennon suggests humans evolved
directly from fish?
F Parella
> On May 5, 9:03 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > > On May 4, 11:55 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 10:48�am, Jeff <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 4, 7:02�am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 6:15�am, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
>
> > > > > > together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
> > > > > > Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
> > > > > > overpowering forces.
>
> > > > > Oh yes. Yoko is powerful enough to make it rain, snow, flood etc.
>
> > > > She was powerful enough to manipulate Lennon.
>
> > > Yeah right..like if I had the power to manipulate you. See, it doesn't
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> I was just trying to say that nobody has the power to control another
> person, without that person's permission, so if John was controlled by
> Yoko, it was with his permission.
Hmm. So you don't think people can be mislead, misinformed, fooled,
or tricked? Those things never happen?
F Parella
> Beatles didn't want to re-unite, is because the Beatles had no idea of
> how the audience would have reacted.
Don't you think response from the press and fans indicated to Lennon,
McCartney, and the others that a reunion would have been welcome?
Lennon performed live with Elton John in the mid-70s, and the crowd
was extremely enthusiastic. Interestingly, he did "I Saw Her Standing
There" - a McCartney song. The audience seemed to be completely
thrilled - even more so than the crowds at Lennon's concerts with Ono.
F Parella
> F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't you think response from the press and fans indicated to Lennon,
> > McCartney, and the others that a reunion would have been welcome?
> > Lennon performed live with Elton John in the mid-70s, and the crowd
> > was extremely enthusiastic. Interestingly, he did "I Saw Her Standing
> > There" - a McCartney song. The audience seemed to be completely
> > thrilled - even more so than the crowds at Lennon's concerts with Ono.
>
> up at the end.
"Yoko slap"? No doubt that refers to the percussive effect produced
by her sagging, pendulous breasts when Yoko attempts motion.
F Parella
> look.
Pathetic? You're entitled to your opinion (just as you're entitled to
your opinion that Yoko sings bad notes on purpose), but I don't
believe that. No; if I really believed I was pathetic, I'd pretend
Yoko's 1974 tour of Japan got good reviews - and arrange for all my
posts to disappear.
dahldude
Some personalities innately dominate relationships or even mere
conversation. I know a few unrelenting ones that must control, must
always have it their way, and always "know best". There's always no
certainty of constant wont of total control with any control freak,
life is like that so it's moot to convince squatters in either camp to
defect in this argument that shall never end. If there was ever an
implicit threat to take the breadwinning spouse to the cleaners and
write a book if he didn't come back to the nest, flying that notion
could shut the moneymaker down from trying to break free, especially
if the smotherer has been the celebrity's manager/handler.
On the topic of Beatles re-uniting, George has stated - I believe in
73-74 - that JG&R certainly had to let Klein go to stand any chance of
regrouping with Paul. By this time, it was apparent that solo John and
George (and no contest Ringo) stood more to gain by doing something/
anything with Paul. Paul, on the other hand...
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well it has happened to you, so there is the proof
Sandy Grey
No. It's from the one that basically tells Yokotards (and others
living in the past) to get a life and stop judging his.
It doesn't surprise me that you hadn't read it.
bessie
Applause!!!!
Well asid!
The Walrus was Danny
> Applause!!!!
>
> Well asid!- Hide quoted text -
Hey Nessie talk to me about the "Butt-Fucking" again! I Love it when
you talk dirty!!
Danny
PhilS1965
> Good points. When he left May, he "retreated" into his cave, stopped
> socializing, etc. Although he refers to his time with May as the Lost
> Weekend, that was a very productive and in some ways a happy period
> for him. Some would argue that John became "lost" when he returned to
> the Dakota.
While I take no side in the Yoko v. anti-Yoko debate, it always amuses
me when people refer to the "lost weekend" period as some sort of
halcyon time, when John was *this* close to reuniting the Beatles...if
only he'd had more time!
Folks, he was drinking heavily, probably more so than at any time
since his art college days. He was showing up in tabloids for making a
public ass of himself. He was hanging with the likes of Keith Moon,
who was engaged in destroying himself with drugs and drink. In short,
he was Brittney Spears.
I usually hate armchair psychoanalysis, particularly with someone
who's been dead for thirty years, but can anyone truly look at the
state he was in and say that he was happy and contented?
O'Leary III
> But frankly, I don't see it as a "lost" period at all. There were
> many positive things.
Yet you keep calling it that. But so did he, and it was HIS life.
O'Leary III
> I see no "threat" here. You see what you want to see.
> Yoko made a proposal. John accepted it.
And he/they were certainly in a position to afford it.
O'Leary III
> Wrong wrong wrong. Stop putting a Elliot Mintzian spin on things.
You posted a link to a video interview with him (from 1974).
UsurperTom
> he was drinking heavily, probably more so than at any time since his art college days.
John had cleaned up his act by the time he and May moved back to New
York in May 1974.
BlackMonk
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b8506ee6-6cfd-4816...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:20 pm, "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d4693dc1-2880-4505...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> < As far as John's productivity once he returned to the Dakota, Yoko
> stated in a couple of interviews that soon after she and John
> "reunited" she learned she was pregnant with Sean. Yoko stated in
> interviews that she told John point blank she wanted to have an
> abortion and would not have the baby unless John cared for the child
> and she would be the bread winner. >
>
> More dishonesty from you.
>
> Yoko has stated that she considered an abortion. She also said that she
> told
> John that she wanted him to take care of Sean after he was born. (Imagine
> that, a father raising his son, how horrible)
>Wrong wrong wrong. Stop putting a Elliot Mintzian spin on things.
>Would you like it if I called you a liar?
You just did. Evidently, you're also a hypocrite.
BlackMonk
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f4bc85f-d745-4c3d...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 7:01 pm, O'Leary III <tr...@jlwhooooooo.com> wrote:
> fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Please don't put words in my mouth. Of course John was productive
> > from 1968-1970, and there are quite a few things John did which I like
> > very much. I was not talking about that time period. I was talking
> > about the period after The Lost Weekend.
>
> Whay do you call it that if you think it wsn't that?
< But frankly, I don't see it as a "lost" period at all. There were
many positive things. >
Too bad John didn't have you around to tell him what to think about his own
life.
BlackMonk
"poisoned rose" <pr...@definitive.com> wrote in message
news:v51Uj.1648$7k7....@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>F Parella <f_pa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > > Don't you think response from the press and fans indicated to Lennon,
>> > > McCartney, and the others that a reunion would have been welcome?
>> > > Lennon performed live with Elton John in the mid-70s, and the crowd
>> > > was extremely enthusiastic. Interestingly, he did "I Saw Her
>> > > Standing
>> > > There" - a McCartney song. The audience seemed to be completely
>> > > thrilled - even more so than the crowds at Lennon's concerts with
>> > > Ono.
>> >
>> > Wow. He alllllmost got through the post without a Yoko slap, but
>> > slipped
>> > up at the end.
>>
>> "Yoko slap"? No doubt that refers to the percussive effect produced
>> by her sagging, pendulous breasts when Yoko attempts motion.
>
> look.
But the obsession with Yoko's breasts is a nice Seaman-esque touch.
fatt...@yahoo.com
LOL!
fatt...@yahoo.com
> On May 5, 10:39 am, Jeff <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 9:03 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 3:52 pm, Jeff <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 11:55 am, F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 7:02?am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 4, 6:15?am, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/news/503lennonreunion.html
>
> > > > > > > together for a particular project . . . not for the long term.
> > > > > > > Unfortunately for fans, he was "distracted" along the way by certain
> > > > > > > overpowering forces.
>
> > > > > > Oh yes. Yoko is powerful enough to make it rain, snow, flood etc.
>
> > > > > She was powerful enough to manipulate Lennon.
>
> > > > Yeah right..like if I had the power to manipulate you. See, it doesn't
> > > > work that way..or do you agree that I have that kind of power?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Sorry, Jeff, your post doesn't make sense to me.
>
> > I was just trying to say that nobody has the power to control another
> > person, without that person's permission, so if John was controlled by
> > Yoko, it was with his permission.
>
> Hmm. So you don't think people can be mislead, misinformed, fooled,
>
> - Show quoted text -
It happens all the time. And I think good, honorable people should
speak up about it, especially in a free, civilized society. If people
constantly play "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" then evil
will win.
fatt...@yahoo.com
I wish there was a film of that Elton John concert. The audience
sounds ecstatic.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> F Parella <f_pare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > McCartney, and the others that a reunion would have been welcome?
> > Lennon performed live with Elton John in the mid-70s, and the crowd
> > was extremely enthusiastic. Interestingly, he did "I Saw Her Standing
> > There" - a McCartney song. The audience seemed to be completely
> > thrilled - even more so than the crowds at Lennon's concerts with Ono.
>
> up at the end.
Can't help it. He speaks the truth. I was at the One to One concert.
Why does the truth bother you so much?
fatt...@yahoo.com
> look.
Pathetic? This comment coming from a being who called me names merely
because I showed sympathy over the death of Eight Belles?
Pathetic . . . This comment coming from someone who claims Yoko got
good reviews from her Japanese tour, and then refuses to post one
cite. Not one cite.
Pathetic? This claim coming from someone who tells everyone at rmb
that there are only 6 people here whom he respects, suggesting the
rest of us can go **** ourselves?
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Touche!
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Given the unkind remarks you've made over and over, you ARE asleep.
At least your heart and/or sense of right and wrong are asleep.. Or
maybe their just dead.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Wow. Brilliant analysis.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> On May 4, 11:11 am, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Good points. When he left May, he "retreated" into his cave, stopped
> > socializing, etc. Although he refers to his time with May as the Lost
> > Weekend, that was a very productive and in some ways a happy period
> > for him. Some would argue that John became "lost" when he returned to
> > the Dakota.
>
> While I take no side in the Yoko v. anti-Yoko debate, it always amuses
> me when people refer to the "lost weekend" period as some sort of
> halcyon time, when John was *this* close to reuniting the Beatles...if
> only he'd had more time!
>
> Folks, he was drinking heavily, probably more so than at any time
> since his art college days. He was showing up in tabloids for making a
> public ass of himself. He was hanging with the likes of Keith Moon,
> who was engaged in destroying himself with drugs and drink. In short,
> he was Brittney Spears.
All true, but what is not publicized so much is the fact that JOhn was
heavily into drugs and alcohol when he was with Yoko BEFORE she threw
him out. Read Bob Gruen's book of photos.
Plus if you read the booklet in Lennon Anthology, Yoko wrote an essay
about the time John (disgustingly) went to a party, drunk and out of
control, grabbed a woman, and then went to a room to have sex with
her. That hurt Yoko very much (can't blame her) and she claims she
threw him out aabout a year later.
The point is that contrary to the Eliot Mintzian PR machine, John was
misbehaving for a long time, even when he was with Yoko . . . . his
bad behaviior has been kept more under wraps. Indeed, John's bad
behavior is one of the reasons she got rid of him to start with.
Perhaps he behaved worse with May perhaps, not. . . we probably will
never know the full story from Yoko.
By hiding the truth, this allows John and Yoko to spread the myth that
when John was with Yoko he was an angel and when he was with May he
was an out of control devil.
BTW, May points out that when they left California and John returned
to NY and was away from "the crowd" (i.e. Nilsson, Moon, etc.) his
behavior improved greatly.
fatt...@yahoo.com
BTW, may I recommend Larry Kane's wonderful book Lennon Revealed where
he told Kane that he loved May and she made him happy. (I can't recall
the quote). Of course, in the end he did choose to stay with
Yoko, . . . . especially when she told him she was pregnant and
wanted an abortion.
UsurperTom
> JOhn was heavily into drugs and alcohol when he was with Yoko BEFORE she threw him out.
Yoko, herself, said in the VH-1 legends episode about John that the
separation was mutually beneficial and that she and John needed
"space."
Manfred Noland
John: Mother, um, Mother, I was thinking me and me old mates might, you
know, make some music again,... that is i it is O.K. with you Mother.
Yoko: Hmmm ? You say someting John ?
Me no rike what I tink you say to me.
John: What ?!? It ain't like I'm gonna leave ya ! Just some time for me
old band mates.
Yoko : ( laughter ) You must tink I crazy rady. No way John. OK. You go
pway your banjo wit Paul. You go pway with George and Ringo too. You
have rots of fun..
John: COOL ! Thank you Mother.
Yoko : Oh, by the way John.....
I forget to tell you. I pregnant. So if you go pway music I kill rittle
baby inside me...your baby.
The choice is yours big shot.
John : Ok. Ok. Ok. You win again Mother.
( under his breath: F**king **** ! )
Yoko : Um, you got someting you wanna say to my face John ?
John : Um, no Mother.
Yoko: ( smug laughter ) I didn't tink so.
Jeff
>
> - Show quoted text -
What are some of your favorite Beatle tunes?
bessie
Those who are in denial of the truth can and do.