Happy Xmas (War is Over) is a real rip off!
TheWalrusWasDanny
Here's the Hollies doing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcnwcsepu0&feature=related
What's interesting is that Lonnie Donegan (of whom Lennon was a mighty
fan) did a completely different song called "Stewball".
Danny
jtees4
That is some serious similarity! Not sure if "ripped off" is
fair....depends on how it went down I guess.
TheWalrusWasDanny
> fair....depends on how it went down I guess.
What else do we call it? Plagerism??
Same chords..same melody!!
Danny
SynMusic
It is an old English folk song but that maybe why Lonnie Donegan did it,
but long before that Woody Guthrie recoorded "Stewball" the lyrics are
different than the Hollies , I believe Leadbelly also recorded it.
But the Lennons cover is much close to the Hollies than lets say Peter,
Paul and Mary's who the Hollies covered.
abe slaney
wrote:
You can find posts on this topic in this group dating back to 1991.
The similarity is pretty well-known and much-discussed.
I posted a link to Peter, Paul & Mary's version last week in the
"Happy Xmas vs. Wonderful Christmastime" thread.
TheWalrusWasDanny
> On 12/18/10 5:25 PM, jtees4 wrote:
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> > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:06:22 -0800 (PST), TheWalrusWasDanny
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> >> Never really got how much JL ripped off "Stewball"
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> >> Here's the Hollies doing it:
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> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcnwcsepu0&feature=related
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> >> What's interesting is that Lonnie Donegan (of whom Lennon was a mighty
> >> fan) did a completely different song called "Stewball".
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> >> Danny
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> > That is some serious similarity! Not sure if "ripped off" is
> > fair....depends on how it went down I guess.
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> It is an old English folk song but that maybe why Lonnie Donegan did it,
> but long before that Woody Guthrie recoorded "Stewball" the lyrics are
> different than the Hollies , I believe Leadbelly also recorded it.
> But the Lennons cover is much close to the Hollies than lets say Peter,
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Nah Donegan's Stewball is a different song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRO79lCyqj4
Peter paul and mary's the rip off one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXdQB-mR4tg
Now I also found Joan Baez singing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrN0wXCYCHY&feature=related
But wasn't Joan shagging a Beatle at one point..or have I got that
mixed up??
The woody Guthrie version has a different melody!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJ2i-31c0A&feature=related
The leadbelly stewball is a totally different song!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKQDjcjHuEM&feature=related
Danny
jtees4
I've written songs and then years later I was told it sounds very
similar to "INSERT A NAME HERE"....and I copied no one. In some cases
it was from bands I never listened to, in others they were songs I was
familiar with. Sure subconsciously anything is possible...but I wasn't
ripping off anybody. So I am saying it can happen....I agree that one
is awfully close chords and melody.
TheWalrusWasDanny
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:39:49 -0800 (PST), TheWalrusWasDanny
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> >> That is some serious similarity! Not sure if "ripped off" is
> >> fair....depends on how it went down I guess.
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> >What else do we call it? Plagerism??
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> >Same chords..same melody!!
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> >Danny
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> I've written songs and then years later I was told it sounds very
> similar to "INSERT A NAME HERE"....and I copied no one. In some cases
> it was from bands I never listened to, in others they were songs I was
> familiar with. Sure subconsciously anything is possible...but I wasn't
> ripping off anybody. So I am saying it can happen....I agree that one
> is awfully close chords and melody.
Yes but the Hollies were playing it on the telly in 1969!! Joan Baez
who fucked a fab sang the bloody thing. Lonnie Donogan sang a song
called "Stewball" on the same record that "Long Lost John" was off...
Danny
Jales
wrote:
He also ripped off Black Dog Blues when writing Crippled Inside
Jales
He also ripped off Ten Years After (I can't recall the song) on I
Found Out
crazytimes
On Dec 18, 5:06 pm, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
wrote:
Yep, never heard it before... But it's a good rip...
It's supposedly an old chain-gang song that Leadbelly made popular...
But Lennon must have heard the Hollies one, while getting busted!...
The Lone Star
And the winner of Best Christmas Song by a member of The Beatles goes
to...
Paul McCartney for "Wonderful Christmastime"!
Danny McEvoy
ermitano
if it's a folk song (without a known composer) anyone can cover ir,
take elements of it or whatever he wants to, in fact that's the idea
of folk music. lennon's song is almost the same, i don't know how he
could register Happy Xmas (War Is Over) under his name, maybe because
no one sued him.
Danny McEvoy
Isn't it a Lennon/Ono composition? (Not that she had anything to do
with it)...
Talking of which what was all that bollocks with Macca adding his wife
in the composing credits of Ram..I seem to recall Ram is written by
Paul and Linda McCartney...which is sheer nonesense..
Danny
who?
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:39:49 -0800 (PST), TheWalrusWasDanny
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> >> That is some serious similarity! Not sure if "ripped off" is
> >> fair....depends on how it went down I guess.
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> >What else do we call it? Plagerism??
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> >Same chords..same melody!!
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> >Danny
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> I've written songs and then years later I was told it sounds very
> similar to "INSERT A NAME HERE"....and I copied no one.
The same thing happened to me when I wrote a Harrison
and Beatles "style" song. But it's not a ripoff if it's just
a "style" and there are no Harrison nor Beatles songs
even close to the two melodies that I wrote.
SynMusic
Exactly and folk songs do take many different forms, such as the lyrics
can vary as in Stewball/Skewball.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
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Danny
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Right - this was allegedly so that she could receive royalty payments for
her half share while Paul's were frozen in receivership under the new
lawsuit. By the way if you go to MPLcommunications dot com, there are quite
a few more tracks (after Ram) for which Linda is credited with
co-authorship. Do a search with Linda as writer.
who?
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> "Danny McEvoy" <thewalruswasda...@gmail.com> wrote in message
"Cook of the house"
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
"who?" <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Cook of the house"
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One of many. It looks like she has co-author credit on most Paul McCartney
songs while the Apple contract was still active through 1976:
All songwriting credits to Paul & Linda McCartney (except as noted):
Another Day
Appaloosa
Band On The Run
Beware My Love
Big Barn Bed
Bip Bop
Bluebird
Bridge Over The River Suite
B-Side to Seaside
C-Moon
Call Me Back Again
Come Rain Come Shine (Paul & Linda McCartney, et al)
Cook of the House
Country Dreamer
Cow (Paul & Linda McCartney, Carla Lane)
Dear Boy
Dear Friend
Dirty Peaches (P&L, et al)
Eat At Home
Get On The Right Thing
Heart of the Country
Helen Wheels
Hey Diddle
Hi, Hi, Hi
Ho' Is Short for Honey
I Am Your Singer
I Got Up
I Lie Around
Inner City Madness (P&L, et al)
Jet
Junior's Farm
Just The Way You Are (P&L, et al)
Let 'Em In
Let Me Roll It
Let's Love
Letting Go
Light Comes From Within, The
Listen To What The Man Said
Little Lamb Dragonfly
Little Woman Love
Live and Let Die
Long Haired Lady
Long Leather Coat
Loup (1st Indian On The Moon)
Love In Song
Love's Full Glory (Linda McCartney)
Lunch Box/Odd Sox
Magneto and Titanium Man
Mama's Little Girl
Mamunia
Mary Had A Little Lamb
Mess, The
Mine for Me
Monkberry Moon Delight
Mrs. Vandebilt
Mumbo
Must Do Something About It
My Carnival
My Love
New Orleans (Linda McCartney)
Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five
Note You Never Wrote, The
Only One More Kiss
Oriental Nightfish (Linda McCartney)
Party Party (P&L, et al)
Picasso's Last Words
Rock Show
Sally G
San Ferry Anne
Seaside Woman (Linda McCartney)
She's My Baby
Silly Love Songs
Single Pigeon
Six O'Clock
Soily
Some People Never Know
Spirits of Ancient Egypt
Together (P&L, et al)
Tomorrow
Treat Her Gently / Lonely Old People
Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
Venus and Mars
When The Night
White Coated Man, The (P&L, Carla Lane)
Wide Prairie (Linda McCartney)
Wild Life
You Gave Me The Answer
Zoo Gang
who?
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> "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Yeah, well good for her offspring.
Jales
Not this version (this was ripped of by Queen on Dreamer's Ball). I
meant this:
Jales
ermitano
> Jales <jales...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > He also ripped off Ten Years After (I can't recall the song) on I
> > > Found Out
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhojLF62fA
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> (I'm sure glad Lennon didn't borrow that AWFUL organ solo at around the
> 4:15 mark....)
that's a simple pentatonic tune, who can say that is his own idea?
abe slaney
Yes, it's a pretty simple lick to come across on guitar. There's some
similarity, but I'm inclined to think it's coincidental. Which I don't
with "Stewball", or "Starting Over"/"Don't Worry, Baby"
ermitano
"Don't Worry, Baby" by whom? the beach boys?
Jales
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"but she looks in my eyes, and makes me realize"
"but when I see you darling It's like we both are falling in love
again"
Jales
> "Don't Worry, Baby" by whom? the beach boys?- Ocultar texto de la cita -
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It seems Don't Worry Baby was a very inspirational song. The Stones
ripped off the melody of its chorus on Sweethearts Together (Voodoo
Lounge)
Jales
4:15 mark....)
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> that's a simple pentatonic tune, who can say that is his own idea?
Could be, but it's always better to rip off obscure songs. And this
one is quite contemporary to I Found Out