Pink Floyd's "The Piper At the Gates of Dawn"
zepf...@yahoo.com
Is it their best?
Their worst?
Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
bad as their worst?
These albums are typically considered as good, if not better than The
Piper At the Gates of Dawn.
- The Dark Side of the Moon
- Wish You Were Here
- Animals
Some people would even say that Meddle and The Wall were better.
Note: I didn't post this to the Floyd newsgroup, since the trolls in
there are so pro Waters era that they can't be objective about the
comparison at all.
RichL
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Ah, so you trust the "trolls" in RMB more?
I personally don't like the album as much as the ones you compare it with,
although I recognize its place in music history. It has nothing to do with
favoring Waters or disliking Syd. Just one man's opinion.
Bernie Woodham
> Is it their best?
> Their worst?
> Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> bad as their worst?
>
> These albums are typically considered as good, if not better than The
> Piper At the Gates of Dawn.
>
> - The Dark Side of the Moon
> - Wish You Were Here
> - Animals
>
> Some people would even say that Meddle and The Wall were better.
>
My story of Pink Floyd. It was in the mid-sixties and I was out at a record
store with a neighbor friend looking for something new. Laid eyes on
"Pipers". Hmmmm... looked cool. But would it impress our "mentor" Wayne,
who was pretty much the arbiter of musical taste?
Bought it. Took it home. As it played we smoked cigarettes and shot the
bull. Didn't listen to the LP at all. When it was over we agreed it was
pretty cool and would impress Wayne. We took the album over to impress
Wayne.
Wayne put it on his stereo and we listened. All of a sudden the magic
disappeared. Wayne sympathasized; he knew what it was like to get all hyped
up over a band and read too much into it. Pink Floyd was obviously a few
guys just cashing in on the psychedelic trend. We forgot all about Pink
Floyd.
Flash forward to 1980. I hadn't been listening to music at all since maybe
1970 except for a flash of AC/DC and the Cars. No drugs either. I was
sitting around playing poker with some new found buddies who were passing
around the weed. There was some music in the background and listening to it
with a buzz was amazing. I ask, "Who is that?" They say, "Pink Floyd". I
shit.
It was the Meddle lp and the song was echoes. To this day my favorite
Floyd. I picked up everything I could on Pink Floyd, but "Pipers" is an
album I still could never take seriously.
O'Leary
> Flash forward to 1980. I hadn't been listening to music at all since maybe
> 1970 except for a flash of AC/DC and the Cars. No drugs either. I was
> sitting around playing poker with some new found buddies who were passing
> around the weed. There was some music in the background and listening to it
> with a buzz was amazing. I ask, "Who is that?" They say, "Pink Floyd". I
> shit.
>
> It was the Meddle lp and the song was echoes. To this day my favorite
> Floyd. I picked up everything I could on Pink Floyd, but "Pipers" is an
> album I still could never take seriously.
"Meddle" and "Dark Side of the Moon" do it for me.
Don't bogart, Sean!
Barrabas
> How does it compare to their other albums?
> Is it their best?
> Their worst?
> Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> bad as their worst?
It's the one with Syd Barrett. The sound of it is not that great.
Pete Townshend thought it didn't really capture how they sounded live.
Never having been a fan of Pink Floyd beyond the 60s I don't know how to
classify it for them.
Sean Carroll
>> It was the Meddle lp and the song was echoes. To this day my favorite
>> Floyd. I picked up everything I could on Pink Floyd, but "Pipers" is
>> an album I still could never take seriously.
> "Meddle" and "Dark Side of the Moon" do it for me.
I always loved DSotM, and still do. But I think WYWH is probably even
more my favourite. So few songs, with so much music crammed into them.
> Don't bogart, Sean!
Hey! Did I say it was your turn to use that word?
--
--Sean
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'What would you want, a doctor who holds your hand while you die, or a
doctor who ignores you while you get better? ... I guess it would
particularly suck to have a doctor who ignores you while you die.' --Dr
Gregory House
Dave W
anything like Dark Side of the Moon.
IMHO: basically Pink Floyd went through 3 musical phases:
1) Syd Barrett Phase (The Piper at the Gates of Dawn) - Psychedelic,
eclectic, 60's English pop music with a bit of an experimental edge
2) Experimental Space Rock (A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Ummagumma. Atom
Heart Mother) - Mostly extended instrumental pieces with loose structure.
Atom Heart Mother is my favorite from this period.
3) Electronic Stadium Rock (Meddle tthrough The Final Cut) - Less
experimental, more mainstream rock concept driven albums.
Dave
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Rock FZYGC
>
Pete Townshend saw Floyd perform at UFO where they just used to jam.
He expected Piper to be a total jamfest. But if it were, it would have
been a complete bore. It has a great mix of jams (Pow R Toch,
Interstellar Overdrive, Take Thy...) mixed with a lot of other songs.
> - Show quoted text -
homer j
> Is it their best?
> Their worst?
> Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> bad as their worst?
>
> These albums are typically considered as good, if not better than The
> Piper At the Gates of Dawn.
>
> - The Dark Side of the Moon
> - Wish You Were Here
> - Animals
>
> Some people would even say that Meddle and The Wall were better.
All of those are better than Piper.
BlackMonk
"Dave W" <da...@home.net> wrote in message
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> Its a completely different style. However, I do like it, but don't expect
> anything like Dark Side of the Moon.
>
> IMHO: basically Pink Floyd went through 3 musical phases:
> 1) Syd Barrett Phase (The Piper at the Gates of Dawn) - Psychedelic,
> eclectic, 60's English pop music with a bit of an experimental edge
> 2) Experimental Space Rock (A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Ummagumma. Atom
> Heart Mother) - Mostly extended instrumental pieces with loose structure.
Also part of the Syd Barret phase.
Tony Elka
wrote:
> It's the one with Syd Barrett. The sound of it is not that great.
> Pete Townshend thought it didn't really capture how they sounded live.
> Never having been a fan of Pink Floyd beyond the 60s I don't know how to
> classify it for them.
David Bowie once said that he was only interested in Syd's Floyd.
I didn't think much of the Bowie cover of "See Emily Play" on Pin Ups.
Tony
yes pink van led black rock!
> "Dave W" <d...@home.net> wrote in message
Even though Syd wasnt there? lol, none of them sound like Piper.
Manfred Noland
Caffe Mocha
> Some people would even say that Meddle and The Wall were better.
>
> Note: I didn't post this to the Floyd newsgroup, since the trolls in
> there are so pro Waters era that they can't be objective about the
> comparison at all.
You still have trouble grasping exactly what a troll is, don't you?
yes pink van led black rock!
not really...you are a fine example
Barrabas
I had gathered it had more to do with Syd's guitar playing, he was quite
inventive with the sound of it live.
BlackMonk
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Ever hear Intersteller Overdrive? You know, the extended instrumental piece
with a loose structure on Piper?
comi...@hotmail.com
> Is it their best?
> Their worst?
> Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> bad as their worst?
Neither are great comparisons. Piper Of The Gates Of Dawn is a very
different experience because David Gilmour wasn't playing or singing
them. Gilmour prefers a softer sound that builds up slowly and
rhythmically, whereas Syd Barrett preferred something stronger that
jumps from place to place. Barrett's voice also a stronger British
accent, and he uses shorter notes when singing.
And then there's the lyrics. Roger Waters admitted openly for years
that he could never match the surrealistic imagery of Syd. Syd's songs
are either disjointed ideas or wistful plays on ideas.
Would I recommend it? Absolutely -- but with the warning you might
want to check out the Relics compilation or even Echoes: The Best Of
Pink Floyd first. Those offer some Barrett pieces ("Astronomy Domine,"
"Insterstellar Overdrive," "Bike," "Arnold Layne," "See Emily Play")
alongside the Waters/Gilmour and Gilmour/Mason periods to give you a
better idea of whether you think they are comparable to the others.
Plus keep in mind this is the first official album for the band that
would undergo some dramatic shifts in their lineup and style
throughout the next number of years.
comi...@hotmail.com
> IMHO: basically Pink Floyd went through 3 musical phases:
I see it more as five periods:
1) The early phase:
LONDON '66-'67,
EARLY SINGLES,
PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN
- Syd Barrett in the lead
- disjointed lyric ideas, surreal imagery
- trying to have pop singles that didn't sound like them
- raw power that couldn't play the same piece twice the same
2) The transition period
SAUCERFUL OF SECRETS
MORE! and ZABRISKI POINT
UMMAGUMMA
ATOM HEART MOTHER
- music is slower, more layered
- shift in lyrics to be more grounded ideas
- attempting to be "arty"
3) The 'pure' Floyd
MEDDLE
OBSCURED BY CLOUDS
DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
WISH YOU WERE HERE
ANIMALS
- Gilmour the voice, Waters the words
- long pieces that build up progressively in layers
- thematically joined albums
4) Roger Waters & Company
THE WALL
THE FINAL CUT
- Lyrically overwhelming
- individual songs are lost as part of larger mosaic
- presence of the others vanishing or lost, more voices
5) Gimour, Mason & Wright
A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
THE DIVISION BELL
- sounds like pure Floyd but lyrics aren't there
comi...@hotmail.com
> Pete Townshend saw Floyd perform at UFO where they just used to jam.
> He expected Piper to be a total jamfest. But if it were, it would have
> been a complete bore. It has a great mix of jams (Pow R Toch,
> Interstellar Overdrive, Take Thy...) mixed with a lot of other songs.
Floyd needed to be commercial, something Waters, Wright and Mason all
noted years later when talking about the early singles like "Arnold
Layne" and "See Emily Play." They were one thing on the BBC radio and
television programs, another at the clubs and happenings, and this
album was trying to reconcile that. In the end, they DID reconsile it
by not doing singles -- after '69, there's one single for Meddle, The
Wall and The Final Cut.
The other problem was Floyd's lack of skill. Engineers at EMI had to
overdub one take of "Interstellar Overdrive" onto another because the
band couldn't play the song the same way twice(!).
comi...@hotmail.com
> David Bowie once said that he was only interested in Syd's Floyd.
>
> I didn't think much of the Bowie cover of "See Emily Play" on Pin Ups.
But Bowie didn't know the Waters/Gilmour Pink Floyd as we do when he
said that. Dark Side of the Moon was recorded through the summer of 72
and released in March 1973; Pinups finished recording in July 1973,
after a year that saw two huge albums (Rise & Fall of Ziggy Stardust
and Aladdin Sane), both of whom had lyrics comparable to the style of
the earlier Floyd than the contemporary one. Syd's vocal performances
are also closer to Bowie's as well.
Rock FZYGC
> On Jul 20, 12:23 am, Rock FZYGC <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pete Townshend saw Floyd perform at UFO where they just used to jam.
> > He expected Piper to be a total jamfest. But if it were, it would have
> > been a complete bore. It has a great mix of jams (Pow R Toch,
> > Interstellar Overdrive, Take Thy...) mixed with a lot of other songs.
>
> Floyd needed to be commercial, something Waters, Wright and Mason all
> noted years later when talking about the early singles like "Arnold
> Layne" and "See Emily Play." They were one thing on the BBC radio and
> television programs, another at the clubs and happenings, and this
> album was trying to reconcile that.
And does a great job in that IMO.
> In the end, they DID reconsile it
> by not doing singles -- after '69, there's one single for Meddle, The
> Wall and The Final Cut.
>
> The other problem was Floyd's lack of skill. Engineers at EMI had to
> overdub one take of "Interstellar Overdrive" onto another because the
> band couldn't play the song the same way twice(!).
too much tripping on acid does that to you. I don't think it is lack
of skill. Interstellar Overdrive, Pow r Toc H and Take Thy show that
they were very good at jamming.
Rock FZYGC
> On Jul 20, 12:13 am, "Dave W" <d...@home.net> wrote:
>
> > IMHO: basically Pink Floyd went through 3 musical phases:
>
> I see it more as five periods:
>
> 1) The early phase:
> LONDON '66-'67,
> EARLY SINGLES,
> PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN
> - Syd Barrett in the lead
> - disjointed lyric ideas, surreal imagery
> - trying to have pop singles that didn't sound like them
> - raw power that couldn't play the same piece twice the same
Agreed on this. And also a "bit of fuck you attitude". Their manager
wanted Piper to be very "poppy". Syd didnt listen.
> 2) The transition period
> SAUCERFUL OF SECRETS
> MORE! and ZABRISKI POINT
> UMMAGUMMA
> ATOM HEART MOTHER
> - music is slower, more layered
> - shift in lyrics to be more grounded ideas
> - attempting to be "arty"
And also a bit of failure at being arty.
> 3) The 'pure' Floyd
> MEDDLE
> OBSCURED BY CLOUDS
> DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
> WISH YOU WERE HERE
This era stops here...
> ANIMALS
is not pure Floyd by any means.
> - Gilmour the voice, Waters the words
> - long pieces that build up progressively in layers
Wright was the main musical man in Meddle, DSOTM and WYWH. After that
he became passive due to Waters growing ego.
> - thematically joined albums
> 4) Roger Waters & Company
Add Animals here.
> THE WALL
> THE FINAL CUT
Remove TFC... it is a different "forgettable era"
> - Lyrically overwhelming
> - individual songs are lost as part of larger mosaic
> - presence of the others vanishing or lost, more voices
- Rick Wright becoming a cokehead and Floyd music not sounding that
unique anymore.
> 5) Gimour, Mason & Wright
> A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
This didnt have Wright by any means... this didnt have Mason that much
either
> THE DIVISION BELL
This was supposedly their comeback album but it is quite boring...
courtesy Gilmour's ego. Every song with the same predictable guitar
solo...
> - sounds like pure Floyd but lyrics aren't there
- also the music.
Tony Elka
comi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> 5) Gimour, Mason & Wright
> A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
> THE DIVISION BELL
> - sounds like pure Floyd but lyrics aren't there
A Momentary Lapse of Reason is essentially a David Gilmour solo album
with two coats of "Wish You Were Here" painted over it.
I've never even bothered listening to The Division Bell. And Pink Floyd
might be my favorite band.
In article <1184953996.5...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Rock FZYGC <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wright was the main musical man in Meddle, DSOTM and WYWH. After that
> he became passive due to Waters growing ego.
Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
mates had nothing.
Tony
Rock FZYGC
> In article <1184952428.256971.124...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> comics...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 5) Gimour, Mason & Wright
> > A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON
> > THE DIVISION BELL
> > - sounds like pure Floyd but lyrics aren't there
>
> A Momentary Lapse of Reason is essentially a David Gilmour solo album
> with two coats of "Wish You Were Here" painted over it.
>
> I've never even bothered listening to The Division Bell. And Pink Floyd
> might be my favorite band.
>
> Rock FZYGC <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wright was the main musical man in Meddle, DSOTM and WYWH. After that
> > he became passive due to Waters growing ego.
>
> Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
> mates had nothing.
How come they had ideas until Wish You Were Here and they disappeared
suddenly? I think early on, after Barrett, Waters and Wright were
responsible for most of the music. Gilmour did do some solos and song
most of the songs, but his songwriting in particular was just OKAY.
TDSOTM found everyone at their peaks (even Syd who was in peak
weight ..lol). Wright start beginning to lose interest around WYWH but
he still contributed quite a lot. Around Animals he was hardly there
and it was all Waters and a bit of Gilmour. By the time The Wall was
being made, Wright was completely useless, Gilmour/Mason were clueless
and Waters was doing everything. Wafers ofcourse started thinking HE
IS FLOYD and he was not wrong. The only thing he was wrong about is
they were much more of a band until WYWH.
>
> Tony
Tony Elka
Rock FZYGC <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > In article <1184952428.256971.124...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
> > mates had nothing.
>
> How come they had ideas until Wish You Were Here and they disappeared
> suddenly?
Perhaps the well just ran dry. Adjusting to a wealthy lifestyle can do
that.
Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
said "Roger was the creative one."
Tony
yes pink van led black rock!
> In article <1184955348.355971.247...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Rock FZYGC <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > > In article <1184952428.256971.124...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Roger Waters didn't have an ego problem. He had ideas, when his band
> > > mates had nothing.
>
> > How come they had ideas until Wish You Were Here and they disappeared
> > suddenly?
>
> Perhaps the well just ran dry. Adjusting to a wealthy lifestyle can do
> that.
>
> Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
> said "Roger was the creative one."
>
> Tony
Tony Elka
yes pink van led black rock! <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <1184952428.256971.124...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
> > said "Roger was the creative one."
> >
> > Tony
> that could be a "in hindsight" opinion.
No. The Floyd provided the music for two of his films, he worked with
them directly, so he was speaking based upon his experiences with all of
them.
There's no reason to think otherwise, and looking at the solo albums,
clearly he was right. Roger has various things to say that he feels
deeply about, Richard gave us Wet Dreams, and to be fair, Broken China
which I haven't heard yet. David Gilmour is a damn good guitar player,
but that's really about it.
And Nick Mason is their Ringo.
Tony
zepf...@yahoo.com
> In article <1184957081.838375.277...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> yes pink van led black rock! <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <1184952428.256971.124...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
> > > said "Roger was the creative one."
>
> > > Tony
> > that could be a "in hindsight" opinion.
>
> No. The Floyd provided the music for two of his films, he worked with
> them directly, so he was speaking based upon his experiences with all of
> them.
Did he say he was talented as a lyricist or as a composer. Lyrically
he was definitely better than the rest (excluding Barrett). I suspect
Wright was the best composer in the band. Look at AHM.... of the three
solo compositions, Summer '68 stands out.
>
> There's no reason to think otherwise, and looking at the solo albums,
> clearly he was right. Roger has various things to say that he feels
> deeply about
probably says too much about it... it was good until WYWH... after
that it got tedious.
>, Richard gave us Wet Dreams, and to be fair, Broken China
> which I haven't heard yet.
Thats unfair... Wright was over somewhere around 77... too much coke
had made him incapable of anything.
> David Gilmour is a damn good guitar player,
> but that's really about it.
Agreed on this. The lyrics on AMLOR as so atrocious... and he took
help from others on that...LOL
>
> And Nick Mason is their Ringo.
Come on... this is an insult.
>
> Tony
BlackMonk
<zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> And Nick Mason is their Ringo.
>
> Come on... this is an insult.
>
Yes, Ringo deserves better.
Tony Elka
zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Did he say he was talented as a lyricist or as a composer.
He just said Roger was the creative one, he didn't elaborate.
> Lyrically
> he was definitely better than the rest (excluding Barrett). I suspect
> Wright was the best composer in the band. Look at AHM.... of the three
> solo compositions, Summer '68 stands out.
I prefer "If" to "Summer 68" and I definitely like "Julia Dream" from
Relics, but I have nothing against Richard Wright tunes like "Paint Box"
or "Remember a Day" or even "See Saw."
> > There's no reason to think otherwise, and looking at the solo albums,
> > clearly he was right. Roger has various things to say that he feels
> > deeply about
>
> probably says too much about it... it was good until WYWH... after
> that it got tedious.
You don't speak for everyone, including Waters fans. To me, nothing is
more tedious than empty lyrics, like one gets with AMLOR.
> >, Richard gave us Wet Dreams, and to be fair, Broken China
> > which I haven't heard yet.
>
> Thats unfair... Wright was over somewhere around 77... too much coke
> had made him incapable of anything.
>
> > David Gilmour is a damn good guitar player,
> > but that's really about it.
>
> Agreed on this. The lyrics on AMLOR as so atrocious... and he took
> help from others on that...LOL
> >
> > And Nick Mason is their Ringo.
>
> Come on... this is an insult.
>
> >
> > Tony
I like Ringo. And I'd like to be in an octopus's garden too.
Tony
Grinner
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> How does it compare to their other albums?
> Is it their best?
> Their worst?
> Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> bad as their worst?
>
Dave Hazelwood
wrote:
what does any of it have to do with tennis ?
Grinner
<zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> How does it compare to their other albums?
> Is it their best?
> Their worst?
> Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> bad as their worst?
>
> These albums are typically considered as good, if not better than The
> Piper At the Gates of Dawn.
>
> - The Dark Side of the Moon
> - Wish You Were Here
> - Animals
>
> Some people would even say that Meddle and The Wall were better.
>
> Note: I didn't post this to the Floyd newsgroup, since the trolls in
> there are so pro Waters era that they can't be objective about the
> comparison at all.
>
FUCK YOU and your interminable spamming, fucking x-posted lits, RAJA,
zepfloyes and all your killfile avoiding shitpuppets.
O'Leary
> what does any of it have to do with tennis ?
Yeah!
Maxie
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Songs like "interstallar overdrive" weren't really meant to played the same
way twice. Not "couldn't"
Maxie
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> On Jul 20, 3:31 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>> In article <1184957081.838375.277...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> yes pink van led black rock! <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Jul 20, 1:07 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>> > > > > In article
>> > > > > <1184952428.256971.124...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> > > Barbet Schroeder, director of The Valley Obscured by Clouds and More
>> > > said "Roger was the creative one."
>>
>> > > Tony
>> > that could be a "in hindsight" opinion.
>>
>> No. The Floyd provided the music for two of his films, he worked with
>> them directly, so he was speaking based upon his experiences with all of
>> them.
>
> Did he say he was talented as a lyricist or as a composer. Lyrically
> he was definitely better than the rest (excluding Barrett). I suspect
> Wright was the best composer in the band.
Whoooh!!
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Roger is an excellent music composer as
well as a brilliant lyricist.
Roger can write chord progressions from heaven that are everybit as good as
Rick's and better. Roger is a musician and songwriter as well as lyricist
and bass player.
Look at AHM.... of the three
> solo compositions, Summer '68 stands out.
>
>>
>> There's no reason to think otherwise, and looking at the solo albums,
>> clearly he was right. Roger has various things to say that he feels
>> deeply about
>
> probably says too much about it... it was good until WYWH... after
> that it got tedious.
>
>>, Richard gave us Wet Dreams, and to be fair, Broken China
>> which I haven't heard yet.
>
> Thats unfair... Wright was over somewhere around 77... too much coke
> had made him incapable of anything.
>
>> David Gilmour is a damn good guitar player,
>> but that's really about it.
>
> Agreed on this. The lyrics on AMLOR as so atrocious... and he took
> help from others on that...LOL
Agreed also.
>>
>> And Nick Mason is their Ringo.
>
> Come on... this is an insult.
>
>>
>> Tony
>
>
Bottom line is Rick, Dave and even Nick can't make an outstanding album
either alone or together.
Roger at least has one album that's as good as the best "true" floyd stuff.
trippy
Grinner took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
Wow"...
>
>
> <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1184887215.7...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > How does it compare to their other albums?
> > Is it their best?
> > Their worst?
Worst. "The Wall" being the best.
> > Or just a mediocre album which is not as good as their best, nor as
> > bad as their worst?
> >
> > These albums are typically considered as good, if not better than The
> > Piper At the Gates of Dawn.
> >
> > - The Dark Side of the Moon
> > - Wish You Were Here
> > - Animals
> >
> > Some people would even say that Meddle and The Wall were better.
I do! I do!
> >
> > Note: I didn't post this to the Floyd newsgroup, since the trolls in
> > there are so pro Waters era that they can't be objective about the
> > comparison at all.
> >
> FUCK YOU and your interminable spamming, fucking x-posted lits, RAJA,
> zepfloyes and all your killfile avoiding shitpuppets.
>
>
>
--
trippy
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"What did I tell the kid. It's about how hard you can get hit,
and keep moving forward. It's about how much you can take,
and keep moving forward. Get up."
-- Sylvester Stallone "Rocky Balboa"
Peter J Ross
<silve...@tacoshells.com> wrote:
> In article <46a1cc0c$0$97236$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
> Grinner took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
> Wow"...
>
>>
>>
>> <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1184887215.7...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> > How does it compare to their other albums?
>> > Is it their best?
>> > Their worst?
>
> Worst. "The Wall" being the best.
Troll.
No album not partly written by Syd can be the best.
--
PJR :-)
FNVWE : DHoT : HoT 2006-01
COOSN-266-06-40792 : 10GS : UHoL
PSMHL&S 2003-12 & 2005-05 : 10GC&TR
trippy
> In alt.usenet.kooks on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:02:14 -0500, trippy
> <silve...@tacoshells.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <46a1cc0c$0$97236$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
> > Grinner took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
> > Wow"...
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1184887215.7...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> > How does it compare to their other albums?
> >> > Is it their best?
> >> > Their worst?
> >
> > Worst. "The Wall" being the best.
>
> Troll.
>
> No album not partly written by Syd can be the best.
>
You've heard Piper, right?
zepf...@yahoo.com
> In alt.usenet.kooks on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:02:14 -0500, trippy
>
> > In article <46a1cc0c$0$97236$892e7...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
> > Grinner took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
> > Wow"...
>
> >>news:1184887215.7...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> > How does it compare to their other albums?
> >> > Is it their best?
> >> > Their worst?
>
> > Worst. "The Wall" being the best.
>
> Troll.
>
> No album not partly written by Syd can be the best.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
> FNVWE : DHoT : HoT 2006-01
> COOSN-266-06-40792 : 10GS : UHoL
> PSMHL&S 2003-12 & 2005-05 : 10GC&TR
TPATGOD (Piper) and TDSOTM (Dark Side) are outright masterpieces! None
of their other albums even come close. And I prefer TPATGOD over
TDSOTM
Tony Elka
zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> TPATGOD (Piper) and TDSOTM (Dark Side) are outright masterpieces! None
> of their other albums even come close. And I prefer TPATGOD over
> TDSOTM
I prefer ASOS to either of them.
Tony
zepf...@yahoo.com
> In article <1185147679.423571.46...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > TPATGOD (Piper) and TDSOTM (Dark Side) are outright masterpieces! None
> > of their other albums even come close. And I prefer TPATGOD over
> > TDSOTM
>
> I prefer ASOS to either of them.
>
> Tony
ASOS is boring and has some dull songs. Piper and Dark Side keep you
on the edge of the seat.
Tony Elka
zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:
That makes me want to punch you in the face until you excrete your own
nose cartilage.
Polite version: I humbly disagree.
Tony
Peter J Ross
<silve...@tacoshells.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnfa7li...@pjr.gotdns.org>, Peter J Ross took the
> hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
>> In alt.usenet.kooks on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:02:14 -0500, trippy
>> <silve...@tacoshells.com> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <46a1cc0c$0$97236$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
>> > Grinner took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
>> > Wow"...
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1184887215.7...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > How does it compare to their other albums?
>> >> > Is it their best?
>> >> > Their worst?
>> >
>> > Worst. "The Wall" being the best.
>>
>> Troll.
>>
>> No album not partly written by Syd can be the best.
>>
>
> You've heard Piper, right?
I know a mouse, and he hasn't got a house.
I don't know why I call him Gerald.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Genius, IMO.
Whisper
>
> Everyone seems to be forgetting that Roger is an excellent music composer as
> well as a brilliant lyricist.
> Roger can write chord progressions from heaven that are everybit as good as
> Rick's and better. Roger is a musician and songwriter as well as lyricist
> and bass player.
>
Well he's apparently a better claycourter than Rafa so this doesn't
surprise me.
Dave Hazelwood
wrote:
You see it that way too eh ? I'm impressed.
Hey didja like how Wawrinka "dominated" Nadal yesterday ?
zepf...@yahoo.com
> In article <1185151364.852559.176...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
LOL
>
> Tony