Come Together - sexual dimension intended??
Gayle Jackson
J. Coyle" <dc33...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> writes:
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>Gee, you have taken a very old joke and almost made a theory out of
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>Unfortunately, it's still only a very old joke...
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>Oh well David,
Good for you....your rhetorical flaming deserves a "10" for pomposity
and a "-20" for narrow-mindedness. I'm impressed that Jeff saw this in
the song, in fact, if he were a scholar, he could write an interesting
paper about it.
Kudos Jeff!!!
Gayle Jackson
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ca...@best.com
is "come together right now, over me!".....and the singer is constantly
making ejaculations (pun un-intended, but applicable) like "Shoot!" and
"Awwww, *come*!"....the repeated riff FEATURES (and makes clever sonic
use of) the singer saying "Shoot!"....etc.
Is it just me, or does this sound a bit like a porno movie? (Specifically
a gay scene like a male circle jerk or something) I.e. - Is Lennon
trying to play with our minds here?! (*Not* doubting here that he was
indeed primarily, or even exclusively, heterosexual! :-) I wouldn't give
a hoot if he *were* secretly bi or anything - I'm just not presuming.)
Please note - I'm sure the song is about MANY different things - the
lyrics are rather far-reaching - I'm just asking, would this be ONE of
his intended dimensions.
Maybe he meant it along the lines of "God do people even hear what I'm
saying?". I thought I read an interview once where he said it was so
insane being a Beatle, he would just walk up to people and say the most
wild things - or even insulting things - and they wouldn't even hear
him. (Like walking up to a woman and saying "You fat fucking cow" and
her response is "Ohmygod it's John Lennon!" She didn't even hear - or
at least display any signs of registering - what he'd really said.)
Jeff
Enrique Cabrera Rochera
LSBU...@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (lee s. bumgarner) wrote:
>I don't know...I've seen a picture of Elton John giving John goo goo
eyes.
>Lennon, John and Jagger were pretty good friends, I seem to recall.
I'm
>not saying Lennon was bisexual er anything, but....
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>-l
I've certainly read that Lennon was bisexual. And yet, it was
from
this Goldman biographer of his, not always as believable as it would
be
desired. He even specifically points out some kind of relationship
between
Brian Epstein and John during The Beatles years.
But as I said, it's up to you to decide if you believe this
guy or
not. As for the song, I think we always try to go too deep in the
meaning of
some songs, when probably they apparently don't mean nothing because
they
didn't mean anything when they were written.
Bob Stahley
: : >>>actually, believe it or not, it is known by pretty much the entire
: world that Beatle John was, in fact, bi.
No.
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Lizz Braver
I didn't know that, either. No one in my house knows it. That brings it up
to at least 6 people in the whole world that didn't know it.
And we still don't know it.Where is your evidence, sir?
Terry Rogers
be found in a book by the Beatles long time publicity
manager Peter Brown. The book is called "The Love You
Make". In it, he talks about Brian Epstein's
homosexuality and how he had a crush on John. In fact,
Mr. Brown suggests that Epstein's primary motivation for
managing the Beatles was he sexual lust for John.
According to Mr. Brown, John did in fact have a sexual
affair with Mr. Epstein in Spain when the Beatles took a
hiatus from touring in 1966. In another book (the
author's name escapes me right now), the author states
that John had a long going affair with Brian.
"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love
you make"
Lizz Braver
One source, second-hand, and ultimately unreliable.
Bob Stahley
: Re: John's supposed bi-sexuality. Evidence of this can
: manager Peter Brown.
The "evidence," found on page 94, reads like a bad romance novel, and
should be given as much credence. Are we to believe Brown and Gaines were
there to record a transcript of the proceedings, a _telepathic_ one as
well? This is a baldfaced fiction and utterly unfounded speculation.
But even if there was a shread of evidence that this little tryst in Spain
happened as Brown and Gaines would like us to believe, it's quite plain in
their description that it was unfulfilling for John. One experience does
not a proclivity make, and _every_ subsequent public statement from all
sources, including Paul, Yoko, Cynthia and May Pang (we miss you, May) has
strongly refuted this nonsense.
Not that there's anything wrong with it (to quote "Seinfeld"), but it
wasn't John.
Bruce Ediger
:The "evidence," found on page 94, reads like a bad romance novel, and
:should be given as much credence. Are we to believe Brown and Gaines were
:there to record a transcript of the proceedings, a _telepathic_ one as
:well? This is a baldfaced fiction and utterly unfounded speculation.
I can see you've never been on Jury Duty, Epistemology Boy. Most Real Life
"evidence", as found in trial transcripts, reads like a cross between
a bad romance novel, and, well, a trial transcript.
Deal with it.
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Nickey Davies
> :The "evidence," found on page 94, reads like a bad romance novel,
> :and should be given as much credence. Are we to believe Brown and
> :Gaines were there to record a transcript of the proceedings, a
> :_telepathic_ one as well? This is a baldfaced fiction and utterly >
:unfounded speculation.
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> I can see you've never been on Jury Duty, Epistemology Boy. Most
> Real Life "evidence", as found in trial transcripts, reads like a
> cross between a bad romance novel, and, well, a trial transcript.
Since you've drawn the analogy, such evidence would be adjudged
'hearsay', and would thus be inadmissible. It would never have made it as
far as a court transcript.
> Deal with it.
As you say.
Nickeyxxx
Had you come some other day, well, it might not have been like this
David J. Coyle
Little Richard, Brian Epstein spent a whole evening being chased around
by L.R. Or vice versa, I forget. In any case, it's rumor, and it is no
less rumor coming from Peter Brown, even if he was their publicity manager.
By the way, Little Richard's comments in the recent GQ article were quite
interesting: "I knew them way back when nobody knew them but their
mamas!" Probably one of many American artists who could lay claim at
"discovering" the Beatles.
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>Why does coming together have to refer to homosexual sex? Of course it
>was intended as a sexual remark among its multiple entendres. Keep
>listening, people -- there's a lot to learn if you listen.
You're right, the actual phrase "come together" doesn't mean that. (It
means unity, peace, etc.)
BUT that's not what he said....He added "over me"...A very unusual turn,
suggesting SOME kind of offbeat and/or visual meaning.
Further added to the use of "shoot!" and "aw, come!", well, you start to
wonder - if he HAD meant something, could he have afforded to be any more
explicit than that?
Actually I have the same question about Lucy. How could it *not* have
been about LSD? A lyric as bizarrely fanciful and visual as that - with
LSD conveniently in the title? OK OK, it was inspired by little Julian's
painting! But - *WHY* would a little kid have a phrase like L* S* D* on
his mind - maybe because adults around him used it? (Kids process stuff
like that, unconsciously or unknowingly.) And then *WHY*, out of all
the thousands of phrases and millions of little stimuli John might
encounter and write songs from in a week, would that one have proved
so extremely inspiring? Just a "coincidence"? It's all in the lyric -
it can't be avoided! No one has ever given an explanation I can buy.
There is a place for saying "Aw, get real" to people who look for too
many "clues" (like the Paul Is Dead nuts) and then there is a place for
admitting what is right in front of you, right there in the lyric,
plain as can be.
Jeff
Rob Howe
jeffery schooley
just...well...like that. It's Little Richards style.If you
met him, he'd go on the rest of his life taking a claim on
you for everything you do after that.He does it with
Hendrix and I think didn't he have an Elvis pre-army thing
with Elvis?
jeffery schooley
jeffery schooley
ALSO- :0( I'M SORRY IF THIS GETS MULTI SENT...
Robert Roman
Yeah, but it's about a threesome if it has sexual meaning at all:
"One and one and one is three"
"Come together, over me"
Bob Roman