Top 10 most overrated musicians
Raja
1. Sid Vicious
2. Jim Morrison
3. Eric Clapton
4. The Beatles
5. The Grateful Dead
6. Nirvana
7. Billy Joel
8. Billy Corgan
9. Phish
10. The Eagles
I do not agree with this list. Though some of his rants are noteable.
First of all...
1. Sid Vicious
2. Jim Morrison
8. Billy Corgan
They never had any significant solo careers. And I dont think their
bands deserve to be on the list.
Sex Pistols is mocked at these days. The Doors are a bit overrated but
they are usually not considered top 10 material. No one considers
Smashing Pumpkins even top 100.
Phish is insgnificant, no one gives a hoot about them. Billy Joel is a
pop musician who is overrated (I agree) but not enough to be in top
10. I agree with the rest. My list would be something like this
Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
1. The Beach Boys
2. Allman Brothers Band
3. The Who
4. The Beatles
5. The Grateful Dead
6. Nirvana
7. The Rolling Stones
8. The Clash
9. Queen
10. The Eagles
Me
his daily bile:
> Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
>
> 1. The Beach Boys
> 2. Allman Brothers Band
> 3. The Who
> 4. The Beatles
> 5. The Grateful Dead
> 6. Nirvana
> 7. The Rolling Stones
> 8. The Clash
> 9. Queen
> 10. The Eagles
Which fans? You dumb fuck.
Untouchable one? Fuck off.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
Eight Track Mind and you, are out of your mind.
Next list.
kwan...@gmail.com
This dumb Indian fuck is still around? I've been watching his lists
for months. What a know-nothing-shit-for-brains.
I think I'll join the party- fuck off Raja.
Loz
xGCU kwan...@gmail.com
oGSV alt.music.pink-floyd
>This dumb Indian fuck is still around?
Hello, dumb bigot fuck!
> I've been watching his lists
>for months.
Wow! Months? Really? A couple of days (tops) should be long enough for
anyone. You must be an extraordinarily *simple-minded* dumb bigot
fuck!
> What a know-nothing-shit-for-brains.
My, what a shit-for-brains dumb bigot fuck you are!
>I think I'll join the party- fuck off Raja.
I have a better idea - take that idiot Raja, cram him sideways up your
ass and ride off (like a cowboy) into the sunset ... you
simple-minded, shit-for-brains, dumb bigot fuck!
--
Loz {:-)>
"This is only the second 'quoted' sig I've ever used, Mr. Cranky
Man." (from a.m.y.)
Me
> [tight beam, M1 rec Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:37:59 -0800 (PST)]
So Lozer, what's so bigoted about what she wrote?
So Lozer, you've never heard of people who just lurk in these groups
and never or rarely post?
So Lozer, maybe you're the one with bigot problems and responded so
stupidly because you had a problem with her name.
MikeLawyr2
The only band on the list that's truly overrated is the Eagles.
Perfect Plastic Music. A live album that doesn't sound live until the
song is over and you hear the audience. Songs of aphorisms and
inevitability: "She was just one of those women; he was just one of
those guys. It was bound to happen that way. Isn't that the way it
always is?"
All the other ones are either very skillful or very innovative.
Loz
xGCU Me <BabaOh...@Yahoo.com>
oGSV alt.music.pink-floyd
>So Lozer, what's so bigoted about what she wrote?
Make fun of the name with a rather unimaginative pun that's been done
so many times already ....... check.
>So Lozer, you've never heard of people who just lurk in these groups
>and never or rarely post?
Make an unfounded (and surprisingly irrelevant) assertion (disguised
as a question) whilst repeating the aforementioned failed pun .......
check.
>So Lozer, maybe you're the one with bigot problems and responded so
>stupidly because you had a problem with her name.
Project wildly, thrash around and - oh yes - repeat the pun for good
measure ...... check.
You scarcely made yourself look worth the effort, but I will be
patient *just this once*.
The bigoted statement (disguised as a question, how about that?) was,
"This dumb Indian fuck is still around?". The inclusion of a racial
reference within a perjorative is considered, both logically and by
convention, a racial slur - hence *bigot*. I shouldn't have to explain
this to you.
As for your suggestion that I had a problem with someone's name, may I
just say ... WTF? Or, more precisely, WTFAYOA?
Let me just say though, for the record, that if you ever *think* you
see me respond "stupidly" to anything on usenet - well, that whooshing
noise is *the point*, zooming over your head.
HTH and HAND
--
Loz {:-)>
Contributors are reminded that, for their safety and comfort,
Toys are to remain within the Pram at all times.
Raja
> The only band on the list that's truly overrated is the Eagles.
> Perfect Plastic Music. A live album that doesn't sound live until the
> song is over and you hear the audience. Songs of aphorisms and
> inevitability: "She was just one of those women; he was just one of
> those guys. It was bound to happen that way. Isn't that the way it
> always is?"
I agree. They made polished music destined for mainstream success.
Everything well planned out.
>
> All the other ones are either very skillful or very innovative.
Agree to this as well. But these bands are given too much weight by
rock fans. Most of the rock fans consider these like gods for some
reason. Beach Boys, Grateful and Allmans Brothers are considered the
best American bands. At least the Beach Boys has chart success outside
the US. Grateful Dead and Allman Brothers have literally no presence
in any charts outside US. The Beach Boys have been irrelevant ever
since Pet Sounds. Or rather, they have been relevant ONLY FOR Pet
Sounds.
The Who has become a pet band for INTERNET BULLIES. The guitar
smashing and drum exploding hooligans strike a chord with the regular
assholes on the NET. Queen is very much overrated in the UK and
considered only next to Beatles or even worse better than Beatles.
The Clash is inferior to Pistols and Ramones when it comes to punk
importance. In fact were they even punk by their 3rd album? What is so
punk about London Calling?
Beatles and Stones are the only untouchable rock bands when it comes
to fans and critics. It seems like their 60s albums are all flawless
to fans and critics, whereas in reality they made tons of weak not so
memorable songs even in the 60s.
The name Nirvana probably defines overrated. The whole grunge and punk
movement has been overrated by fans and critics.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
> movement has been overrated by fans and critics.
All the way to the bank
Raja
> Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
>
> > 1. The Beach Boys
> > 2. Allman Brothers Band
> > 3. The Who
> > 4. The Beatles
> > 5. The Grateful Dead
> > 6. Nirvana
> > 7. The Rolling Stones
> > 8. The Clash
> > 9. Queen
> > 10. The Eagles
>
> that your top-most picks for "Overrated" acts include bands which are
> among your own favorites.
None of these are my favorites. I respect Beatles and Stones though. I
dont care for the rest.
> And even when picking "Overrated" artists, you
> can't free yourself from your "Nothing registers on my radar except
> 'bands'" dogma.
Solo artists never really mattered. No one really overrates them. They
are just laughed upon (unless it is Bob Dylan, Neil Young or David
Bowie). And I dont like either 3. But I havent heard enough of them to
comment.
>
> You couldn't even list 50 overrated acts without coming off totally
> arbitrary.
>
> I don't recall you dissing the Allmans until recently. I guess they must
> be the latest arcane, obscure act you're exploring as you strive to
> complete your introductory Classic Rock 101 class.
Allman Brother = another name for pointless one note wanking. Every
time I hear Whipping Post, I hurl.
Raja
I do not agree with the Eight Track Mind and I agree about him/it. But
I do not agree with what you said about me. Be more convincing next
time.
>
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Raja
>
> top three bands over-rated by insufferable rock list maker snobs who
> never played even the first gig
>
> 1. Yes
> 2. Van Der Graaf whatever
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You couldnt even make a top 3 list...lol. You need a list 101.
Raja
> > > The only band on the list that's truly overrated is the Eagles.
> > > Perfect Plastic Music. A live album that doesn't sound live until the
> > > song is over and you hear the audience. Songs of aphorisms and
> > > inevitability: "She was just one of those women; he was just one of
> > > those guys. It was bound to happen that way. Isn't that the way it
> > > always is?"
>
> > I agree. They made polished music destined for mainstream success.
> > Everything well planned out.
>
I did, stop guessing what I think.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
>
> > > > 1. The Beach Boys
> > > > 2. Allman Brothers Band
> > > > 3. The Who
> > > > 4. The Beatles
> > > > 5. The Grateful Dead
> > > > 6. Nirvana
> > > > 7. The Rolling Stones
> > > > 8. The Clash
> > > > 9. Queen
> > > > 10. The Eagles
>
> > > It's a tribute to the shallowness of your musical interests/knowledge
> > > that your top-most picks for "Overrated" acts include bands which are
> > > among your own favorites.
>
> > None of these are my favorites. I respect Beatles and Stones though. I
> > dont care for the rest.
>
> the Beatles, Stones and Who would rank.
Stones around 50-55, Beatles oustised 100, Who outside 350. Now dont
ask me to list those. I dont have patience for that.
>
> I couldn't do this with my own "50" list at all, because my list didn't
> contain a single act who has an album in my permanent collection.
> They're all off my grid.
Not interested in your list. How about sticking to the topic?
>
> > > And even when picking "Overrated" artists, you
> > > can't free yourself from your "Nothing registers on my radar except
> > > 'bands'" dogma.
>
> > Solo artists never really mattered. No one really overrates them. They
> > are just laughed upon (unless it is Bob Dylan, Neil Young or David
> > Bowie). And I dont like either 3. But I havent heard enough of them to
> > comment.
>
> Wow. A rare show of humility. Though the first two sentences of that
> paragraph are just shockingly stupid.
>
> > > You couldn't even list 50 overrated acts without coming off totally
> > > arbitrary.
>
> > > I don't recall you dissing the Allmans until recently. I guess they must
> > > be the latest arcane, obscure act you're exploring as you strive to
> > > complete your introductory Classic Rock 101 class.
>
> > Allman Brother = another name for pointless one note wanking. Every
> > time I hear Whipping Post, I hurl.
>
> They sound very "American." And that's a big no-no with you.
The Doors dont sound American? I like them a lot, even though they
were very consistent.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> was totally wrong. He was talking about *lyrics*, and you thought he was
> talking about the group's commercial goals.- Hide quoted text -
>
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I didnt write about what he was writing about. I just added to his
post.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
>
> I do not agree with the Eight Track Mind and I agree about him/it. But
> I do not agree with what you said about me. Be more convincing next
> time.
Will try.
john smith
> Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
>
> 1. The Beach Boys
> 2. Allman Brothers Band
> 3. The Who
> 4. The Beatles
> 5. The Grateful Dead
> 6. Nirvana
> 7. The Rolling Stones
> 8. The Clash
> 9. Queen
Queen! Overrated?
I guess you are joking, or there's something wrong with either in your
ears or between them
> 10. The Eagles
>
Me
> [tight beam, M1 rec Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:00:03 -0800 (PST)]
What you're saying is that everyone recognizes you as a lozer. I don't
imagine that it's difficult to do.
How long have you been a bigot?
Loz
oGSV alt.music.pink-floyd
>On Dec 3, 3:29 pm, Loz <loz...@garbage.bigfoot.com> wrote:
What I am saying - is clearly beyond your wit and comprehension. As
for what you are capable of imagining, well, I suspect that would be a
very short conversation indeed.
>How long have you been a bigot?
How long have you been ... you?
--
Loz {:-)>
"Yikes."
renh...@yahoo.com
around yet another world famous "Raja" list. It's so great to finally
be made aware that some of my favorite bands are over-rated. Now I
know why everyone's been laughing at me behind my back all these long
years. Time to toss out all those wretched CD's and get into some cool
stuff, like Yes. . . and Led Zepplin. . I can hardly wait! Oh . . and
I also learned today that apparently solo artists aren't even
important enough to be over-rated at all! Out you go Mr. Zappa. . and
please take Lou Reed and that Elvis Costello guy with you. Lordy, I
wouldn't be able to tell my own ass from a hole in the ground if it
weren't for Raja. Thanks pal!
zepf...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com>
We know.
>
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Big fucking deal. You deserve a medal for that.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> Well I for one am thrilled at the prospect of wrapping my 'lil noggin'
> around yet another world famous "Raja" list. It's so great to finally
> be made aware that some of my favorite bands are over-rated.
Thanks, but I didnt need your compliment.
>Now I
> know why everyone's been laughing at me behind my back all these long
> years.
Good, you have finally come to your senses.
> Time to toss out all those wretched CD's
That would be stupid, you can sell them on ebay.
>and get into some cool
> stuff, like Yes. . . and Led Zepplin. . I can hardly wait!
Wait a minute, you haven't heard Yes and Zeppelin... What a fucking
waste of human life you are.
>Oh . . and
> I also learned today that apparently solo artists aren't even
> important enough to be over-rated at all!
Most of them are leftovers from much better bands, anyway.
>Out you go Mr. Zappa
Okay Zappa did have talent. Dont be a douche to him.
>. . and
> please take Lou Reed and that Elvis Costello guy with you.
Yeah toss them out. The only Lou Reed album worth listening to is
Velvet Underground and Nico. He is been a egoistic dick ever since.
> Lordy, I
> wouldn't be able to tell my own ass from a hole in the ground if it
> weren't for Raja. Thanks pal!
Well, you are dumb :-)
zepf...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:36:59 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 3, 2:15 pm, MikeLawyr2 <Mbuxb...@lowenstein.com> wrote:
> >> The only band on the list that's truly overrated is the Eagles.
> >> Perfect Plastic Music. A live album that doesn't sound live until the
> >> song is over and you hear the audience. Songs of aphorisms and
> >> inevitability: "She was just one of those women; he was just one of
> >> those guys. It was bound to happen that way. Isn't that the way it
> >> always is?"
>
> >I agree. They made polished music destined for mainstream success.
> >Everything well planned out.
>
>
> you've never had to try and play and sing those unbelievable
> harmonies.
Beach Boys, Beatles, Association, Bee Gees... they had better
harmonies. Eagles are not fit to shine their shoes when it comes to
harmonies.
>
> if you had any experience doing that, you might see how difficult some
> of their stuff is, and you might give them at least a little respect.
>
> sure, they've got some simple things, but some of that stuff is not
> easy to play and sing, at all. Those guys really know what they are
> doing, plastic or not.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > If you tried to rank every artist you personally like, estimate where
> > > the Beatles, Stones and Who would rank.
>
> > Stones around 50-55, Beatles oustised 100, Who outside 350.
>
>
> > > I couldn't do this with my own "50" list at all, because my list didn't
> > > contain a single act who has an album in my permanent collection.
> > > They're all off my grid.
>
> > Not interested in your list.
>
> the thread. But I guess you're back in your posturing,
> adolescent-braggadoccio mode now.
>
> > How about sticking to the topic?
>
> Classic Rock 101 bands yet again.
>
> > > They sound very "American." And that's a big no-no with you.
>
> > The Doors dont sound American?
>
> and then you come up with one or two counterexamples and think you're
> making a good point. Wow, so you could come up with one band you like
> who's basically "American-sounding." Amazing.
I like the Velvet Undergound's first album. I like the first 5 Ramones
albums. I like Metallica until And Justice For All. I like Slayer's
Reign in Blood, Megadeth's Rust in Peace. Now tell these are not
American-sounding.
Aimless
"Raja"
> 2. Jim Morrison
> 3. Eric Clapton
> 4. The Beatles
> 5. The Grateful Dead
> 6. Nirvana
> 7. Billy Joel
> 8. Billy Corgan
> 9. Phish
> 10. The Eagles
>
I agree.
RichL
> On Dec 3, 3:48 pm, Bealzabubba <BR549-...@yahoonospam.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:36:59 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2:15 pm, MikeLawyr2 <Mbuxb...@lowenstein.com> wrote:
>>>> The only band on the list that's truly overrated is the Eagles.
>>>> Perfect Plastic Music. A live album that doesn't sound live until
>>>> the song is over and you hear the audience. Songs of aphorisms and
>>>> inevitability: "She was just one of those women; he was just one of
>>>> those guys. It was bound to happen that way. Isn't that the way it
>>>> always is?"
>>
>>> I agree. They made polished music destined for mainstream success.
>>> Everything well planned out.
>>
>> of course you think that.
>>
>> you've never had to try and play and sing those unbelievable
>> harmonies.
>
> Beach Boys, Beatles, Association, Bee Gees... they had better
> harmonies. Eagles are not fit to shine their shoes when it comes to
> harmonies.
How many Eagles songs have you actually heard? Looks like you're
writing from ignorance .... again...
RichL
> Allman Brother = another name for pointless one note wanking. Every
> time I hear Whipping Post, I hurl.
How many Allman Brothers' songs have you actually listened to?
(Yet another in a long line of ignorant posts that indicate Raja's
musical virginity.)
It's a sign of your utter stupidity that you refer to Duane Allman and
Dickey Betts' guitar playing as "one-note wanking". What an utter fool.
RichL
The same applies to every band on his list. I personally consider
Nirvana "overrated" (but only with respect to my own personal tastes in
comparison to the near-worship status that they are accorded) but I
basically just laugh at Raja's other selections, and worse, his
explanations of them.
RichL
> http://www.eighttrackmind.net/words/top-10-overrated-musicians.shtml
>
> 1. Sid Vicious
> 2. Jim Morrison
> 3. Eric Clapton
> 5. The Grateful Dead
> 6. Nirvana
> 8. Billy Corgan
> 9. Phish
> 10. The Eagles
>
>
> First of all...
> 2. Jim Morrison
>
> They never had any significant solo careers.
So what? Isn't it possible for a band to be highly rated yet its singer
not?
> And I dont think their bands deserve to be on the list.
>
> Sex Pistols is mocked at these days.
By whom?
> The Doors are a bit overrated but they are usually not considered top
> 10 material.
Does a band have to be "top 10" in the first place to be among the top
overrated bands?
> No one considers Smashing Pumpkins even top 100.
Stupid, stupid, stupid statement. Have you done a survey with a sample
size of at least 1000? [S.P. may be in *my* top 100, I haven't really
thought about it...]
> Phish is insgnificant, no one gives a hoot about them.
Says who? If no one gave a hoot about them, no one would buy their
records, right? Yet they do....oh never mind, it's like reasoning with
a cockroach...
> Billy Joel is a pop musician who is overrated (I agree) but not enough
to be
> in top 10.
Says who?
> I agree with the rest. My list would be something like this
As if anyone gives a rat's ass.
Aimless
"Loz":
> perjorative
You sure are ignorant.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
jim...@aol.com
> 1. Yes
> 2. Van Der Graaf whatever
> 3. whoever else raja likes
I'd add
4. Can
5. Kraftwerk
zepf...@yahoo.com
I have heard Hotel California and One of the these Night. And their
greatest hits of course. They all suck. Except for may be three songs
which happen to be the title songs of those albums + Take it Easy.
I think Desperado is one of the worst and annoying song I have ever
heard.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > but I
> > basically just laugh at Raja's other selections, and worse, his
> > explanations of them.
>
>
> In theory, I don't object to any of those picks. After all, they're
> major, heralded bands, so personally disliking them would justify
> labeling them "overrated" with respect to the overall view. Except in
> Raja's case, he observably *likes* some of those bands and assuredly has
> their album(s) on his hard drive. So this just illustrates how little
> music he knows, such that these acts would still rank amongst his top 10.
Does of concept of liking a band, but still feeling they are overrated
go past you? Beatles have made several great songs but numerous
clunkers too. I like the Beatles but also they are overrated. Are you
are a moron, just pretending to be?
>
> He says the Stones are around his 50-55th favorite artist, yet also says
> they're the seventh most overrated act ever. By the time he counts down
> his favorite 50 acts, he's already hitting names whom he's eager to
> shoot down. Such a tiny range of interests.
zepf...@yahoo.com
Admit it, you know nothing about these bands, jimboi, jimboi!
zepf...@yahoo.com
okay... 2 note wanking. Dont expect me to be more generous ;-)
zepf...@yahoo.com
> Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.eighttrackmind.net/words/top-10-overrated-musicians.shtml
>
> > 1. Sid Vicious
> > 2. Jim Morrison
> > 3. Eric Clapton
> > 4. The Beatles
> > 5. The Grateful Dead
> > 6. Nirvana
> > 7. Billy Joel
> > 8. Billy Corgan
> > 9. Phish
> > 10. The Eagles
>
> > I do not agree with this list. Though some of his rants are noteable.
>
> > First of all...
> > 1. Sid Vicious
> > 2. Jim Morrison
> > 8. Billy Corgan
>
> > They never had any significant solo careers.
>
> So what? Isn't it possible for a band to be highly rated yet its singer
> not?
>
> > And I dont think their bands deserve to be on the list.
>
> > Sex Pistols is mocked at these days.
>
> By whom?
By all those fucking punk fans who say how much the Sex Pistols suck
and how better the Clash and Ramones were.
>
> > The Doors are a bit overrated but they are usually not considered top
> > 10 material.
>
> Does a band have to be "top 10" in the first place to be among the top
> overrated bands?
They are still not overrrated. Justly rated may be.
>
> > No one considers Smashing Pumpkins even top 100.
>
> Stupid, stupid, stupid statement. Have you done a survey with a sample
> size of at least 1000? [S.P. may be in *my* top 100, I haven't really
> thought about it...]
>
> > Phish is insgnificant, no one gives a hoot about them.
>
> Says who? If no one gave a hoot about them, no one would buy their
> records, right? Yet they do....oh never mind, it's like reasoning with
> a cockroach...
Fuck Phish... sez me. When was the last time you saw Phis on a Top 100
list or for that matter top 1000.
>
>
>
> > Billy Joel is a pop musician who is overrated (I agree) but not enough
> to be
> > in top 10.
>
> Says who?
>
> > I agree with the rest. My list would be something like this
>
> As if anyone gives a rat's ass.
A rat like you might.
RichL
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> but I
>> basically just laugh at Raja's other selections, and worse, his
>> explanations of them.
>
> pick. ;)
My impression is that the Dead are regarded as a band with a very
dedicated, adoring core audience but with very little interest outside
of that core, and to me that strikes me as just about right. Thus the
use of "overrated" or "underrated" with respect to GD seems to translate
precisely into "I dislike them" or "I like them", even more so than with
other acts for which the terms are used.
Count me as one of the "mild interest outside that core" guys :-)
> In theory, I don't object to any of those picks. After all, they're
> major, heralded bands, so personally disliking them would justify
> labeling them "overrated" with respect to the overall view.
Sure, but then why not simply use the terms "bands I don't like" if
that's the intended meaning? Why glorify it with terminology that
implies some objectivity?
> Except in Raja's case, he observably *likes* some of those bands
> and assuredly has their album(s) on his hard drive. So this just
> illustrates how little music he knows, such that these acts would
still
> rank amongst his top 10.
Yeah, I find his interpretation of some English words amusing. Next
we'll see a follow-up thread called "my favorite bands that I hate".
>
> He says the Stones are around his 50-55th favorite artist, yet also
> says they're the seventh most overrated act ever. By the time he
> counts down his favorite 50 acts, he's already hitting names whom
> he's eager to shoot down. Such a tiny range of interests.
There may be hope. Some recent threads have named new (to him) acts
that he likes, maybe on the order of one a month. At that rate, if
somehow human longevity gets extended by, say, a factor of five, he may
be in good shape around 2350 or so :-)
zepf...@yahoo.com
> "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > but I
> > basically just laugh at Raja's other selections, and worse, his
> > explanations of them.
>
>
> major, heralded bands, so personally disliking them would justify
> Raja's case, he observably *likes* some of those bands and assuredly has
> their album(s) on his hard drive. So this just illustrates how little
> music he knows, such that these acts would still rank amongst his top 10.
>
> they're the seventh most overrated act ever.
Do you know what overrated means? I dont think you know what it.
Overrated - rated higher than what they should be. Rolling Stones are
rated quite higher than what they should be.
Crisstti
> > Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
>
> > 1. The Beach Boys
> > 2. Allman Brothers Band
> > 3. The Who
> > 5. The Grateful Dead
> > 6. Nirvana
> > 8. The Clash
> > 9. Queen
>
> Queen! Overrated?
>
> I guess you are joking, or there's something wrong with either in your
> ears or between them
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Lol, I have to agree... the problem seems to they're underrated in the
US...
jim...@aol.com
> Admit it, you know nothing about these bands, jimboi, jimboi!
Bokachoda
zepf...@yahoo.com
> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > In theory, I don't object to any of those picks. After all, they're
> > > major, heralded bands, so personally disliking them would justify
> > > labeling them "overrated" with respect to the overall view. Except in
> > > Raja's case, he observably *likes* some of those bands and assuredly has
> > > their album(s) on his hard drive. So this just illustrates how little
> > > music he knows, such that these acts would still rank amongst his top 10.
>
> > Does of concept of liking a band, but still feeling they are overrated
> > go past you?
>
No it is you dummy.
>If only you would pause to think, rather than just
> "react."
>
> Again: If your 50th favorite act is also your choice for the 7th most
> overrated act, this shows how little music exists in your world.
Fuck off idiot.
Rolling Stones might be my 50th favorite act, but they are overrated
as being widely considered as the second best rock band behind
Beatles. I would myself probably put them in the 6-10th position, but
the point is they are overrated by at least 4 posiitons. And that too
at the near top it makes a massive difference. You are just too thick
to realize it.
>
> I like some acts which I'd consider overrated to some degree. I even
> mentioned one as a "honorable mention" in my top-50 post (Nine Inch
> Nails). But because the gap between NIN's acclaim and my own affection
> for them is rather modest and I'm familiar with enough music to have
> sorted through hundreds and hundreds of different candidates, there's no
> way that group could rank anywhere near my "top 10."
>
> I doubt you did anything to assemble that top 10 beyond look up some
> "Greatest 100 Rock Bands" list somewhere and narrow your list from
> there. Such a tiny, shallow frame of reference.
You are a massive idiot who doesnt know the difference "between bands
I hate" and "bands I think are overrated". Go back to school, you
fucking idiot. And stop pissing me off by being so dumb.
zepf...@yahoo.com
No comprehende Chimp language
zepf...@yahoo.com
> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > You really are thick.
>
> > No it is you dummy.
>
> > >If only you would pause to think, rather than just
> > > "react."
>
> > > Again: If your 50th favorite act is also your choice for the 7th most
> > > overrated act, this shows how little music exists in your world.
>
> > Fuck off idiot.
>
> > > "Greatest 100 Rock Bands" list somewhere and narrow your list from
> > > there. Such a tiny, shallow frame of reference.
>
> > You are a massive idiot who doesnt know the difference "between bands
> > I hate" and "bands I think are overrated". Go back to school, you
> > fucking idiot. And stop pissing me off by being so dumb.
>
At least I wasnt dropped on my head like you were.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
..and it should please you that I understood every word you said.
(note edit).
RichL
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> My impression is that the Dead are regarded as a band with a very
>> dedicated, adoring core audience but with very little interest
>> outside of that core, and to me that strikes me as just about right.
>
>
>>> In theory, I don't object to any of those picks. After all, they're
>>> major, heralded bands, so personally disliking them would justify
>>> labeling them "overrated" with respect to the overall view.
>>
>> Sure, but then why not simply use the terms "bands I don't like" if
>> that's the intended meaning? Why glorify it with terminology that
>> implies some objectivity?
>
> idea of "overrated." This is BlackMonk, all over again.
I understand it fully.
Consider this: if I disliked them and so did everyone else, they'd be
rated pretty poorly, i.e., it would be impossible for them to be called
"overrated".
In other words, the "a lot of other people like them" is implicit,
simply by virtue of my necessity to say I don't like them. Otherwise,
I'd simply be belaboring the obvious.
<rest of condescending rant snipped>
RichL
Let me ask you this...and think about it before you respond.
Can you come up with a list of artists that you dislike, yet that you
don't think are overrated?
I suppose it's possible, if you dig deep, that you can name some artists
that you dislike but that most people dislike more. But I'd think those
would be fairly rare exceptions.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > My impression is that the Dead are regarded as a band with a very
> > dedicated, adoring core audience but with very little interest outside
> > of that core, and to me that strikes me as just about right.
>
ROFLAMO.... How many albums did Grateful dead sell outside the US (or
make that hippie California) 100 or 200?
>
> > > In theory, I don't object to any of those picks. After all, they're
> > > major, heralded bands, so personally disliking them would justify
> > > labeling them "overrated" with respect to the overall view.
>
> > Sure, but then why not simply use the terms "bands I don't like" if
> > that's the intended meaning? Why glorify it with terminology that
> > implies some objectivity?
>
> God, it drives me nuts how much trouble people have understanding the
> idea of "overrated." This is BlackMonk, all over again.
>
> If you personally dislike a band which everyone else dislikes, you
> wouldn't call them "overrated." If you personally dislike a band which
> everyone else DOES like, you would.
>
> Since the Eagles are such a massively popular, enduring band, Raja
> disliking them suggests they're "overrated" in his eyes. Do you really
> not get that? It's not just a case of "bands I don't like." It's "bands
> I don't like which everyone else DOES like."
>
> What I'm making an issue of how MUCH a band can be considered
> "overrated" when it's a band which you demonstrably enjoy yourself. It's
> hard to say which act on my own "50 Overrated" list is my
> favorite...mmmm, maybe Jane's Addiction. But I still wouldn't want to
> own any of that group's albums. Easy call there.
>
> In theory, I have no problem at all with someone calling the Stones
> "overrated." What's screwy is *Raja* calling them the seventh most
> overrated act of all time even though he probably has every pre-Ron Wood
> Stones album saved on his hard drive. That's just not internally
> logical, unless (like Raja) your frame of reference is so tiny that
> you'll rate a "B+" band among the toppermost overrated, just because the
> rest of the world rates them an "A." The top of *my* list was more like
> *C* bands which the rest of the world rates A/A-.
>
> > Next
> > we'll see a follow-up thread called "my favorite bands that I hate".
>
> Heh. Recently, I mentioned my private, maintained list of "Favorite Acts
> I Don't Like." I actually find this list very useful, when assessing the
> line between what I want to buy/keep and what I don't.
>
> My perennial favorite-band-I-don't-like: Built to Spill. They're right
> on the cusp. I like them enough that I even paid to see one of their
> shows in recent years. #2: probably Low. A few other well-known
> frontrunners include Wilco, the Shins, the Faces, Kraftwerk, Scott
> Walker, Radiohead and the White Stripes.
>
> Raja wrote:
>
> "Fuck Phish... sez me. When was the last time you saw Phish on a Top 100
> list or for that matter top 1000."
>
> Wow. He really has no resources at all for judging an artist's worth
> beyond looking up selected "all time" lists. That's just pitiful.
Mackenzie
That proves you know next to nothing about Allman's playing. Do you
know he's considered a great slide guitarist and played the opening
riff to Layla? I know that's WAY beyond your knowledge base but I
swear it's true.
zepf...@yahoo.com
I find Layla very boring. So sorry.
Bernie Woodham
Raja wrote:
> http://www.eighttrackmind.net/words/top-10-overrated-musicians.shtml
>
You forgot about Jimmy Page.
RichL
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> In other words, the "a lot of other people like them" is implicit,
>>>> simply by virtue of my necessity to say I don't like them.
>>>
>>> What a completely nutty argument this is. Are you serious?
>>
>> Let me ask you this...and think about it before you respond.
>>
>> Can you come up with a list of artists that you dislike, yet that you
>> don't think are overrated?
>
>
> I am absolutely dumbfounded that you still don't get this. And you
> wonder why I might come off condescending??
You come off as condescending because you have an implicit, overriding
assumption built into your arguments that your way of thinking is always
correct and that if others come to different conclusions they must be
wrong.
Here your logical error is that you assume that everyone grades musical
acts on as fine a scale as you do.
Suppose for the sake of argument that I simply divide acts into two
categories: those that I like, and those that I don't.
And suppose that I were all knowing and I could divide the same set of
acts into two different sets: those that are highly regarded and those
that aren't.
If I like an act and it is regarded highly, or if I dislike an act and
it is not regarded highly, then obviously I would use neither
"overrated" nor "underrated" to describe it.
If on the other hand I like an act and it is not highly regarded, it's
"underrated" TO ME, and similarly if I don't like an act and it is
highly regarded, it's "overrated" TO ME. Yet these terms mean no more
to me than "I like them" or "I don't like them".
If I were the type that liked to list acts according to my degree of
liking or disliking them, then the finer distinctions between my tastes
and those of the general public might make more sense to me. And in
that sense, the terms "underrated" and "overrated" might acquire
additional meaning to me.
But I simply don't think in those terms, so the nuances implicit in such
a view are meaningless to me. Even the arbitrary division into "like"
and "don't like" would be rather arbitrary in my case.
Get it now?
RichL
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If I like an act and it is regarded highly, or if I dislike an act
>> and it is not regarded highly, then obviously I would use neither
>> "overrated" nor "underrated" to describe it.
>
>
>> If on the other hand I like an act and it is not highly regarded,
>> it's "underrated" TO ME, and similarly if I don't like an act and it
>> is highly regarded, it's "overrated" TO ME. Yet these terms mean no
>> more to me than "I like them" or "I don't like them".
>
>
>> Even the arbitrary division into "like"
>> and "don't like" would be rather arbitrary in my case.
>
> know what to say to you.
Different things appeal to me at different times. Thus any such
division would change regularly.
modern
> http://www.eighttrackmind.net/words/top-10-overrated-musicians.shtml
>
> 1. Sid Vicious
> 2. Jim Morrison
> 3. Eric Clapton
> 5. The Grateful Dead
> 6. Nirvana
> 8. Billy Corgan
> 9. Phish
> 10. The Eagles
>
> I do not agree with this list. Though some of his rants are noteable.
>
> First of all...
> 1. Sid Vicious
> 2. Jim Morrison
> 8. Billy Corgan
>
> bands deserve to be on the list.
>
> Sex Pistols is mocked at these days. The Doors are a bit overrated but
> they are usually not considered top 10 material.
Don't agree with that at all. Jim Morrison did lack a solo career,
you're right there, it must have been his lack of talent.
The Sex Pistols were a good tight band.
I've got no idea about them being 'mocked at these days'.
No one considers
> Smashing Pumpkins even top 100.
I consider them not at all.
>
> Phish is insgnificant, no one gives a hoot about them. Billy Joel is a
> pop musician who is overrated (I agree) but not enough to be in top
> 10. I agree with the rest. My list would be something like this
>
> Top 10 rock artists overrated by rock fans (not just critics)
>
> 1. The Beach Boys
> 2. Allman Brothers Band
> 3. The Who
> 4. The Beatles
> 5. The Grateful Dead
> 6. Nirvana
> 7. The Rolling Stones
> 8. The Clash
> 9. Queen
> 10. The Eagles
>
zepf...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:55:48 -0800 (PST), zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >On Dec 3, 3:48 pm, Bealzabubba <BR549-...@yahoonospam.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:36:59 -0800 (PST), Raja <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Dec 3, 2:15 pm, MikeLawyr2 <Mbuxb...@lowenstein.com> wrote:
> >> >> The only band on the list that's truly overrated is the Eagles.
> >> >> Perfect Plastic Music. A live album that doesn't sound live until the
> >> >> song is over and you hear the audience. Songs of aphorisms and
> >> >> inevitability: "She was just one of those women; he was just one of
> >> >> those guys. It was bound to happen that way. Isn't that the way it
> >> >> always is?"
>
> >> >I agree. They made polished music destined for mainstream success.
> >> >Everything well planned out.
>
> >> of course you think that.
>
> >> you've never had to try and play and sing those unbelievable
> >> harmonies.
>
> >Beach Boys, Beatles, Association, Bee Gees... they had better
> >harmonies. Eagles are not fit to shine their shoes when it comes to
> >harmonies.
>
> Joe Walsh told a story of these brutal 5 hour long harmony vocal
> rehearsals,
LOL.... it yielded that...LOL
>just them sitting on stools in a studio. Their harmonies
> are top notch.... in my opinion.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:41:54 -0800 (PST), zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >By all those fucking punk fans who say how much the Sex Pistols suck
> >and how better the Clash and Ramones were.
>
> How much time do you spend crying on here that Who fans are ugly and
> mean to you? You sound EXACTLY LIKE THEM when talking about bands you
> dont like.
>
> How much time do you spend on here, talking about bands you like, and
> then getting mad when people dont agree? Why do you care that much
> when people dont like the same bands you do? You're continually
> shoving it the faces of five different newsgroups.
>
> I'd call that trolling.
>
>
>
> >Fuck Phish... sez me. When was the last time you saw Phis on a Top 100
> >list or for that matter top 1000.
>
>
> Lists are stupid, for stupid people who actually care what other
> stupid people think, and are only fodder for ridicule.
>
> Phish is a terrific band, you just dont like them because they could
> play the entire Quadrophenia album.
lol... they did. They coulnt have picked Tommy?
Loz
xGCU "Aimless" <creepingcu...@hotmail.com>
oGSV alt.music.pink-floyd
>
>"Loz":
>
>> perjorative
>
>You sure are ignorant.
And you use a typo as evidence for your "assertion"?
Nevertheless, I like you, Mary - now bend and spread.
--
Loz {:-)>
Contributors are reminded that, for their safety and comfort,
Toys are to remain within the Pram at all times.
Rodjk #613
> [tight beam, M1 rec Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:09:58 +0100]
> oGSV alt.music.pink-floyd
>
>
>
> >"Loz":
>
> >> perjorative
>
> >You sure are ignorant.
>
> And you use a typo as evidence for your "assertion"?
>
> Nevertheless, I like you, Mary - now bend and spread.
> --
> Loz {:-)>
> Contributors are reminded that, for their safety and comfort,
> Toys are to remain within the Pram at all times.
Well, Raja...if you wanted to start a discussion, you certainly
succeeded.
Rodjk #613
stuth...@comcast.net
He was the nominal leader and producer of the biggest hard-rock band
in the '70s, and he got to masturbate with a cello bow on his guitar
every night.
If he was so great, what's he done for 28 years since that's so great?
Why has Robert Plant managed to make better music with a series of
guitar players who were not Jimmy Page?
progea
Bernie Woodham
Ummmmm... the title of the thread is Top 10 most OVERrated musicians.
I thought Page should be included. Page is a good guitarist. But he
is regarded as a guitar God -- that is definitely overrated. Given
that LZ stole a lot of material, and given the ranking that so many
give him, I'd say Page is THEE most overrated.
iarwain
that he's a little sloppy, but he's played drunk a lot so that could
explain some of it. He's as good as anyone for coming up with riffs
though, and he definitely has some chops - listen to the live Dazed
and Confused from the Song Remains the Same album. It's long, but
chock full of great licks.
Mackenzie
> On Dec 4, 12:58 pm, "stuthalb...@comcast.net"
>
>
>
>
>
> <stuthalb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 4, 12:31 am, Bernie Woodham <birnhamw...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> > > Raja wrote:
> > > >http://www.eighttrackmind.net/words/top-10-overrated-musicians.shtml
>
> > > You forgot about Jimmy Page.
>
> > He was the nominal leader and producer of the biggest hard-rock band
> > in the '70s, and he got to masturbate with a cello bow on his guitar
> > every night.
>
> > If he was so great, what's he done for 28 years since that's so great?
>
> > Why has Robert Plant managed to make better music with a series of
> > guitar players who were not Jimmy Page?
>
> Ummmmm... the title of the thread is Top 10 most OVERrated musicians.
> I thought Page should be included.
He had his moments of brilliance and had much more inspiration than
the top 9 on the list. In my opinion, as a guitar player he is
overrated when compared to other technically gifted guitarists (e.g
Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Howe, Joe Pass, Eddie Van Halen, etc..etc) but
for what he does on the instrument and for the instrument is
wonderful. I believe one of my college roommates, a virtuoso on the
instrument, at Penn University said that he is a "sonic architect." As
a musician- producing, writing, arranging (when he does arrange)- he
is one of the best.
>
> Given
> that LZ stole a lot of material, and given the ranking that so many
> give him, I'd say Page is THEE most overrated.- Hide quoted text -
>
LZ cut and pasted a lot of lyrics from old blues master and sometimes
borrowed licks from other musicians, but I still am having trouble
following why he deserves this ranking if you agree that he's a good
guitarist.
Bernie Woodham
I admit he's a good guitarist. I personally like a couple of the Led
Zeppelin LPs. But the degree of adulation he is given warrants him
being considered THEE most overrated.
zepf...@yahoo.com
Maybe he deserves it, dumbass! If everyone is overrated or underrated,
then who the hell is justly rated?
Mackenzie
I wouldn't consider him the most overrated in any way shape or form.
There are far worse "musicians" (and I use this term while cringing)
out there that are just faces for the music and couldn't play a lick
or understand the concept of melody. Sid is a perfect example for
this. In my opinion, the adulation Page has received as a musician is
justified in the way he runs the studio. He also had a knack for
structuring his guitar around the music, a knack George Harrison also
has. There may be guitarists who could pull off his solos
proficiently, but the adulation for his musicianship isn't overrated
in the least bit.
stuth...@comcast.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
Led Zeppelin created a lot of great music featuring guitar sounds.
Jimmy Page is an overrated guitarist. He's sloppy, and steals a lot.
And for the last 28 years, he hasn't done much except remaster his old
band.
He's nowhere as good as Duane Allman, or Dickey Betts, or Warren
Haynes, or Derek Trucks, all of the Allman Brothers Band at various
times, for example.
zepf...@yahoo.com
Dont expect me to take any called Derek Trucks seriously...lol
Mackenzie
Yes, he is.
> and steals a lot.
I usually recommend this website to anyone on what Jimmy Page and the
band stole and didn't steal:
http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/Originals.php
> He's nowhere as good as Duane Allman, or Dickey Betts, or Warren
> Haynes, or Derek Trucks, all of the Allman Brothers Band at various
> times, for example.
I prefer Dickey Betts in the line-up you listed.
Bernie Woodham
> then who the hell is justly rated?
Whether he deserves it or not is the debate. I say he doesn't deserve
it, you say he does, (why does that not surprise me?).
Who ISN'T underrated? Now THAT would make an interesting list. But,
of course if it were made by you, it's obvious Page would be at the
top of the list.
I don't think Hendrix is overrated.
I don't think McCartney was overrated as a guitarist/bassist.
Carlos Santana. Certainly not overrated. (You may not have liked his
music, but he was not overrated as a guitarist)
Dave Navarro
Edgar Cruz is an immensely talented guitarist. I don't believe he is
overrated.
Victor Wooten is a great bassist. I don't think you can find better.
Hardly overrated.
zepf...@yahoo.com
hey idiot, I asked who is justly rated. Not, who is not overrated.
What the fuck does that mean anyway!
Mackenzie
> On Dec 4, 5:42 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Maybe he deserves it, dumbass! If everyone is overrated or underrated,
> > then who the hell is justly rated?
>
> Whether he deserves it or not is the debate. I say he doesn't deserve
> it, you say he does, (why does that not surprise me?).
>
> Who ISN'T underrated? Now THAT would make an interesting list. But,
> of course if it were made by you, it's obvious Page would be at the
> top of the list.
of the list Raja posted? Above the likes of Sid Vicious, Jim Morrison,
Billy Corgan, Phish, Billy Joel and Nirvana? You're outta your mind.
RichL
> Dont expect me to take any called Derek Trucks seriously...lol
Just when I think that Raja's reached the limit of absurdity, once more
he pops up and surprises me.
You have stepped so far out of your narrow element that you actually
make me want to laugh and cry simultaneously.
Have you watched Derek play, ever? With the Allmans, with Eric Clapton,
with his own band, in duets with his wife, Susan Tedeschi, or with
anyone?
This man is threatening the throne of Greatest Slide Guitarist Ever.
He's still under thirty. He first played with the Allmans when he was
11 years old. On stage.
What an ignorant ditz you are.