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Michel de Leeuw

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I say that the 'The Rutles - All You Need Is Cash' is a great, funny
movie. And the way they showed yoko...... it's brilliant !!!!!

What do you people think of this movie ?

Greetings,


Michel

Jeff

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I think it's obvious that the people who made it truly love the Beatles.
The attention paid to small details as well as large is incredible! Neil
Innes is a genius, and his music is fantastic. Eric Idle is equally a
genius. The cameos by celebrities adds to the fun. I must add, though,
that you should never watch it with non-Beatle fans as they will not get it
and lose interest. "A legend that will last a lunch time!"

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Nowhere Man

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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Michel de Leeuw wrote:
>
> I say that the 'The Rutles - All You Need Is Cash' is a great, funny
> movie. And the way they showed yoko...... it's brilliant !!!!!
>
> What do you people think of this movie ?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Michel

Yes....superb movie......so, so funny.

Best,

Will

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The Rutles - All You Need Is Cash -- is totally "fab, gear, and all those
other pimply hyperbolies"

Carolyn

Ric Napoli

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Michel de Leeuw wrote:

> I say that the 'The Rutles - All You Need Is Cash' is a great, funny
> movie. And the way they showed yoko...... it's brilliant !!!!!
>
> What do you people think of this movie ?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Michel

A classic. Up until the release of the Anthology
it was, ironically, the best encapsulation of the
Beatles myth committed to film (heads above
things like The Complete Beatles and Birth Of
The Beatles). It manages to tell the whole Beatles
story in around 90 minutes or less, and have fun
with it at the same time.


Ken Smith

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This is one of my favorite movies, ever. Are all of you aware that the
version they showed on TV is different in several spots than the home
video? A few of the scenes were reshot for the home video, that aren't
nearly as funny as the ones they replaced in the original.

I do think it was their trousers...

HeyJude

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Ken Smith wrote:

I've never seen the original TV version, but someone told me once about
it. The only thing I can remember is that there is a scene where Dan
Akroyd is being interviewed (playing the part of the guy who turned the
Beatles down from a record deal). They cut out a scene which showed his
body hanging from the ceiling with a noose around his neck, as he had
evindently hanged himself. Does this sound right? I'd like to hear the
other things that were cut out from the original broadcast.


William Scheckel

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Jul 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/17/99
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Can you ever get that bit about the tight trousers out of your head? Every
time I see an early tape of the Beatles I have to laugh about that. A
brilliant movie with great music.
Will

Matt Crowley

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Jul 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/17/99
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Neil Innes' versions of Beatle songs are incredible too. Like the final song
in the movie - sounds just like Penney Lane...

Brilliant

BEATL96666

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Jul 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/17/99
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Brilliant film. Best scene had to be the bit outside rutle corp when George
Harrison was meant to be interviewing Michal Palain and people were walking out
of the building stealing things out of it.

The soundtrack was brilliant as well some of the piss takes of beatle song were
pure geunius.

Craig.

LPecucci

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Jul 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/17/99
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john belushi as "Al Decline"(allen klein) is great! with franken & davis as his
thugs!

" people would rather kill themselves than take a meeting with him..."

the rutles movie is GREAT!

Frederick Rudofsky

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Jul 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/17/99
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A classic film-- one which I think influenced Spinal Tap being produced
several years later.
The reaction to the death of their manager is sublime: "Stunned...."


The soundtrack is fantastic. I also recommend The Rutles 1996 '
"Archaeology" cd which parodies the whole Anthology series. Check out
"Unfinished Words" which is Neil Innes at his best- he spoofs Lennon
nonsensical lyricism period.

There is a Rutles website, so check it out.

David Bailey

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Matt Crowley wrote:

> Neil Innes' versions of Beatle songs are incredible too. Like the final song
> in the movie - sounds just like Penney Lane...

Too much like Penny Lane said Northern Songs. That's why Neil Inness was
forced to give up 50% of the publishing to Northern Songs.

db


Ricketay

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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>>This is one of my favorite movies, ever. Are all of you aware that the
version they showed on TV is different in several spots than the home video? A
few of the scenes were reshot for the home video, that aren't
nearly as funny as the ones they replaced in the original.. <<

I saw the original broadcast.Then,several years ago, I recorded "All You Need
Is Cash" off of the t.v. (but someone stole it).
I haven't gotten it on video, yet. Which scenes did they change? And why??

I don't know why,
Ricky

saris...@mx3.redestb.es

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Jul 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/22/99
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In article <379092D1...@idirect.com>,

*siggggghhhhhhh* This one seems to come up every couple of months,
which just goes to show how unfair the whole situation was! Neil
was "forced" to give up his royalties because his wimpy publishers
chickened out of seeing the case through court--even though a
muiscologist they had hired TOLD them that Northern Songs didn't have a
case (different chord progressions, different tunes and different
lyrics=no plagiarising). In addition to ripping him off of his well-
earned royalties, this cowardice on the publishers' part has led a lot
of people to assume that Neil was guilty. Well.....he wasn't! Just
another case of the Big Boys pushing around the Little Boys.

BTW, a while back George Harrison was reportedly looking into finally
getting Neil the money he deserved. Don't know if anything ever came
of it.


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David Bailey

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saris...@mx3.redestb.es wrote:

Just to clarrify my pov, I wrote that "Northern Songs thought so". If
there is
any "borrowing" by Neil it was in the choice instruments and the
arrangments
of the songs more than the songs themselves.

Any song can be made to sound Beatleslike if one throws in a harmonium,
a melotron, some backwards tape loops, the odd innocentish drug reference,
a few
similar rhymes and sings with a bit of an accent.

I hope your information re. George is accurate as it would be nice to see
Neil Inness
exxonerated of any wrongdoing.

db


RGrimes10

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Jul 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/22/99
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"I have always thought
In the back of my mind:
Cheese and Onions."

-The Rutles"

Sung virtually like the beginning of "I Am the Walrus" this Rutles tunes
interestingly even speaks of onions. On "Glass Onion" John "reveals" the
identity of the walrus.
I always thought this fun, and clever.

HeyJude

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David Bailey wrote:

I agree that Innes' songs don't meet the definition of plagarism. However,
the one exception in my opinion would be "Get Up And Go". This has nearly the
exact same chord progressions in several parts of the song as "Get Back."

the eggman

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Jul 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/24/99
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On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:05:48 -0700, HeyJude <blac...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:


> I agree that Innes' songs don't meet the definition of plagarism. However,
>the one exception in my opinion would be "Get Up And Go". This has nearly the
>exact same chord progressions in several parts of the song as "Get Back."

Haven't heard Get Up And Go, but I think the Get Back progression
wouldn't be copyrightable, as it's only stylised blues ie I I IV I, as
used in a hundred other songs.

HeyJude

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the eggman wrote:

Innes copied more than just the chord progression. He copied many of the
guitar licks, the drum beat. If you took the vocals off, it would sound very
similar to the backing track to "Get Back". Now, he changed enough of the chords
(actually, where the chords change) and changed the melody, phrasing, and words of
the lyrics enough that if fought in court might not meet the standards of
plagarism. But I'll bet if that song would have come out from some random band and
not meant as a Beatles parody, Northern Songs would have been on it in a heartbeat.


saris...@mx3.redestb.es

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Jul 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/25/99
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In article <379A2AED...@ix.netcom.com>,
HeyJude <blac...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>
>
> the eggman wrote:
>
> > Haven't heard Get Up And Go, but I think the Get Back progression
> > wouldn't be copyrightable, as it's only stylised blues ie I I IV I,
as
> > used in a hundred other songs.
>
> Innes copied more than just the chord progression. He copied
many of the
> guitar licks, the drum beat. If you took the vocals off, it would
sound very
> similar to the backing track to "Get Back". Now, he changed enough of
the chords
> (actually, where the chords change) and changed the melody, phrasing,
and words of
> the lyrics enough that if fought in court might not meet the
standards of
> plagarism. But I'll bet if that song would have come out from some
random band and
> not meant as a Beatles parody, Northern Songs would have been on it
in a heartbeat.

Yes, but what you’re talking about are questions of style, not anything
to do with the structure of the song itself. Any song can be
played “in the style of”! Have you ever heard the “Purple Haze”
or “Day in the Life” versions of the theme from Green Acres?

There were 2 songs originally written and recorded for All You Need is
Cash that weren’t used at that time--Blue Suede Schubert, which turned
up on the 1990 Rhino CD, and Now She’s Left you, which surfaced on
Archaeology--that Neil used in his television show The Innes Book of
Records. He gave them new, completely un-Beatlelike arrangements, and
I can guarantee you that nobody at Northern Songs would not have had
the slightest clue that these were more “Beatles” songs.

Also, the Rutles were not “some random band”: they were an explicit
parody of the Beatles, so OBVIOUSLY the songs, as they were played for
the soundtrack, HAD to sound like the Fabs. Otherwise, what would have
been the point?

At any rate, there are 2 new articles going up tomorrow at
http://neilinnes.orG (look on the What’s New page) that go into some
detail about the topics being discussed on this thread.

HeyJude

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saris...@mx3.redestb.es wrote:

> Yes, but what you’re talking about are questions of style,

I think having a similar chord progression in at least one place and
maybe several along with a VERY similar style is gounds enough for a
publishing company to question, and is more than a question of style. I'm
not saying Northern Songs was right to be such bullies (see my comments
below).

> not anything
> to do with the structure of the song itself. Any song can be
> played “in the style of”! Have you ever heard the “Purple Haze”
> or “Day in the Life” versions of the theme from Green Acres?
>
> There were 2 songs originally written and recorded for All You Need is
> Cash that weren’t used at that time--Blue Suede Schubert, which turned
> up on the 1990 Rhino CD, and Now She’s Left you,

I was under the assumption that We've Arrived and Unfinished Words were
at least partly from the original 1978 sessions. Also, I haven't watched
the movie in a while, but I thought that Blue Suede Schubert was used in
the movie, in the segment that was a take-off of the "Some Other Guy"
Beatles clip. And there were six new songs on the 1990 Rhino CD that
weren't on the original soundtrack, including not surprisingly, "Get Up and
Go".

> which surfaced on
> Archaeology--that Neil used in his television show The Innes Book of
> Records. He gave them new, completely un-Beatlelike arrangements, and
> I can guarantee you that nobody at Northern Songs would not have had
> the slightest clue that these were more “Beatles” songs.

Well, I guess the goes to opinion. Blue Suede Shubert and Now She's
Left You sound like Beatlelike arrangements to me. Not copies of any songs,
but I think just about everything on both Rutles album is Beatleish, isn't
that the whole point? I don't think Northern Song would have sued over
either of those two songs you mentioned. I'm not saying Northern Songs
should bust people for Beatleish songs.

>
>
> Also, the Rutles were not “some random band”: they were an explicit
> parody of the Beatles, so OBVIOUSLY the songs, as they were played for
> the soundtrack, HAD to sound like the Fabs. Otherwise, what would have
> been the point?

This is what I said: "But I'll bet if that song (Get Up and Go) would


have come out from some random band and not meant as a Beatles parody,

Northern Songs would have been on it in a heartbeat." The fact that I
said it would come out from a random band and NOT meant as a Beatles parody
means a band OTHER than the Rutles. I know obviously that the Rutles were
an explicit parody, and not some random band.
I think what you described about Innes' publishing company putting up
no fight is terrible. But I think in the case of "Get Up and Go", Northern
Songs would have a case. I'm not even saying they should win that case, but
if I were listening from their point of view, I'd definitely look into it.
I've heard a story once (albeit totally unsubstantiated, and just told by a
random person on RMB) that Lennon spoke to Innes at some point and told him
that Northern Songs would probably get on him about Get Up and Go, and that
it was more than just a Beatles spoof.
I think Neil Innes is amazing and very talented. I think the Rutles are
about the only parody of the Beatles that has ever been done on a such a
large scale that works well and is intelligently done. I think there are
many other songwriters that have done much worse to Beatles songs, either
buy plagarism or by doing a bad take off on a Beatles song, or the worst of
all, a cover version. I've actually played the Rutles for a few people are
are admittedley a bit gullible, and they actually beleived me when I told
them they were Beatles outtakes. I've said to several people that Innes
could have put out the "Archaeology" album under a normal band name or his
hame, and it would have been a great album on its own.

saris...@mx3.redestb.es

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In article <379CFED9...@ix.netcom.com>,

HeyJude <blac...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> I think having a similar chord progression in at least one place
and
> maybe several along with a VERY similar style is gounds enough for a
> publishing company to question, and is more than a question of style.

But what is used to determine these things is the music as it is
written on paper....not the way the band chooses to play it, and the
music on paper consists of the chords and the melody, not the riffs the
guitartist decides to play when that particular band records the song.

>I was under the assumption that We've Arrived and Unfinished Words
were
> at least partly from the original 1978 sessions.

Yes, what I meant was that there were 2 songs from those sessions that
Neil later used on his television program, that's all.

>Also, I haven't watched
> the movie in a while, but I thought that Blue Suede Schubert was used
in the movie, in the segment that was a take-off of the "Some Other Guy"
> Beatles clip.

Nope. Not unless there's some radically different version out there
that I've never seen.

>And there were six new songs on the 1990 Rhino CD that
> weren't on the original soundtrack, including not surprisingly, "Get
Up and
> Go".

Don't know what that should be "suprising". It wasn't on the 1978 LP
and Northern Songs tried to sue anyhow.

> Well, I guess the goes to opinion. Blue Suede Shubert and Now
She's
> Left You sound like Beatlelike arrangements to me. Not copies of any
songs,
> but I think just about everything on both Rutles album is Beatleish,
isn't
> that the whole point?

Exactly. There's no point to a parody that doesn't stronly resemble
what it's parodying.

>I don't think Northern Song would have sued over
> either of those two songs you mentioned.

But they DID sue over songs like Hold My Hand and Another Day and
Nevertheless--which were just as different from any Beatles tracks as
those 2 songs!

>I'm not saying Northern Songs should bust people for Beatleish songs.

They couldn't anyway! If the case had gone to court, they would have
lost.

>This is what I said: "But I'll bet if that song (Get Up and Go) would
> have come out from some random band and not meant as a Beatles parody,
> Northern Songs would have been on it in a heartbeat."

Errr.....but they WERE on it like a heartbeat....well, they were on
songs that bore even LESS resemblance to Beatles songs like a heartbeat.

> I think what you described about Innes' publishing company putting up
> no fight is terrible. But I think in the case of "Get Up and Go",
>Northern Songs would have a case.

Well, the musicologist hired to study the songs thought otherwise,
apparently.

>I'm not even saying they should win that case, but
> if I were listening from their point of view, I'd definitely look
into it.
> I've heard a story once (albeit totally unsubstantiated, and just
told by a
> random person on RMB) that Lennon spoke to Innes at some point and
told him
> that Northern Songs would probably get on him about Get Up and Go,
and that
> it was more than just a Beatles spoof.

I've heard that one too, but don't know if anyone will ever be able to
substantiate it. Listening to Neil talk, though, it doesn't sound like
he even had any contact with Lennon after the Bonzo days.

>I think Neil Innes is amazing and very talented. I think the Rutles are
> about the only parody of the Beatles that has ever been done on a
>such a large scale that works well and is intelligently done.

I thought it was a lot classier than those Beatlemania shows,
definitely.

> I think there are many other songwriters that have done much worse to
>Beatles songs, either buy plagarism or by doing a bad take off on a
>Beatles song, or the worst of all, a cover version.

Oh yeah...but those cover versions do net their composers a lot of
lovely cash (when they're successful covers anyway).

> I've said to several people that Innes
> could have put out the "Archaeology" album under a normal band name
or his
> hame, and it would have been a great album on its own.

Yeah, if only he'd got rid of that nasal Lennon voice! Actually,
several of the songs were ones he'd been performing in non-Rutleized
versions for years. And in my opinion, the Innes-only versions are
much, much better.

Stan~*

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I too thought it was great! They did a good job!I wonder where are the
Rutles today?

Dauber

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Stan~* wrote in message <379FD265...@ntplx.net>...

>I too thought it was great! They did a good job!I wonder where are the
>Rutles today?

Well, Eric Idle is gonna be on Suddenly Susan, if I heard correctly...

Neil Innes plays regular gigs in England.

Ollie Halsall, the voice of Dirk in the music, died in 1992, I believe...

Stig O'Hara is on tour with someone's backing band, I think; don't remember
who, though...

John Halsey -- couldn't tell ya!

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Am I missing something here??? Parody is protected by the first
amendment. Clearly this was a parody of the Beatles (brilliant and
loving) and how the hell can any of those great songs be plagarism?
The point was to parody the sound, not to try and con people into
buying their music as if they were a real group (I know, they were).
Ridiculous. Neill's songs were absolutely wonderful, clever beyond
belief, lyric and musical statements and all. Flickin lawyers...

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to be ALRIGHT!

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Stig O'Hara is on tour with someone's backing band, I think; don't
remember who, though...
- - -

Stig O'Hara was played by Rikki Fataar. (He spells his name Ricky these
days, but he's still the same old Stig.) He is a notable studio
musician, and has played drums (yes drums) on-and-off with Bonnie Raitt
since the early '80's. He can be seen in the home video of her 1995
concert tour... The video is entitled "Road Tested." He's a truely
excellent drummer... and even after all these years he's still a
'school-leaver of no fixed hairstyle.' Well now... that should put an
end to the rumor: 'Stig Has Been Dead For Ages, Honestly.'

Jay


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Jeff U

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<beatl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Stig O'Hara is on tour with someone's backing band, I think; don't
> remember who, though...
> - - -
>
> Stig O'Hara was played by Rikki Fataar. (He spells his name Ricky these
> days, but he's still the same old Stig.) He is a notable studio
> musician, and has played drums (yes drums) on-and-off with Bonnie Raitt
> since the early '80's. He can be seen in the home video of her 1995
> concert tour... The video is entitled "Road Tested." He's a truely
> excellent drummer... and even after all these years he's still a
> 'school-leaver of no fixed hairstyle.' Well now... that should put an
> end to the rumor: 'Stig Has Been Dead For Ages, Honestly.'
>
> Jay

Rikki has done some studio drumming recently for contemporary blues artist
Keb' Mo'. Excellent CDs btw. I also found out recently that Rikki is a
native South African who started out in a band in SA called Flame (The
Flame) in the mid-sixties.

Jeff U.

Cyndee Lee Rule

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was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!


beatl...@webtv.net

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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Indeed! And to prove it, here's a website that shows pictures of the
Flames:
http://home.worldonline.nl/~mollyb/docs/pictures.htm
Ricky looks like such a cute little boy!
Bonnie neilinnes.org
- - -

Bonnie,

Those pics are VERY cool. Awesome! LOL All you have to do is put a
George wig on him in that 1995 shot, and he's a Thrutle!

;^)

Mr mmBongo

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l >


>Rikki has done some studio drumming recently for contemporary blues artist
>Keb' Mo'. Excellent CDs btw. I also found out recently that Rikki is a
>native South African who started out in a band in SA called Flame (The
>Flame) in the mid-sixties.
>
>Jeff U.

Indeed! And to prove it, here's a website that shows pictures of the Flames:

Dauber

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spamsucks (opusjeff(spamsucks)@fast.net) dixit:

>Rikki has done some studio drumming recently for contemporary blues artist
>Keb' Mo'. Excellent CDs btw. I also found out recently that Rikki is a
>native South African who started out in a band in SA called Flame (The
>Flame) in the mid-sixties.

Actually, the Flame was the early '70's, and they only lasted one album.
Ricky, along with fellow Flame-mate Blondie Chaplin, went on to join the Beach Boys
for a few years...Blondie's voice can be heard singing lead on the Beach Boys' "Hold
On, Dear Brother," "Leaving This Town," "Carry Me Home," and "Sail On
Sailor." Ricky [who DID spell it "Ricky" way back then -- I've only seen it
spelled "Rikki" on the 1978 Rutles album] sang lead on "Here She Comes" and
"We Got Love."

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Jeff U

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> spamsucks (opusjeff(spamsucks)@fast.net) dixit:
>
> >Rikki has done some studio drumming recently for contemporary blues
artist
> >Keb' Mo'. Excellent CDs btw. I also found out recently that Rikki is a
> >native South African who started out in a band in SA called Flame (The
> >Flame) in the mid-sixties.
>
> Actually, the Flame was the early '70's, and they only lasted one album.
> Ricky, along with fellow Flame-mate Blondie Chaplin, went on to join the
Beach Boys
> for a few years.

Nope, The Flames first singles were released in 1964, their first LP in
1965. They has at least five LPs released up until 1970. Check out this
site for a ton of Flame info.

http://home.worldonline.nl/~mollyb/docs/

Jeff

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In article <rq0imb$0$37nspbj$n...@corp.supernews.com>,

"Dauber" <dau...@wallnet.mike-love.com> wrote:
> Stan~* wrote in message <379FD265...@ntplx.net>...
> >I too thought it was great! They did a good job!I wonder where are
the
> >Rutles today?
>
> Well, Eric Idle is gonna be on Suddenly Susan, if I heard correctly...
>
> Neil Innes plays regular gigs in England.
>
> Ollie Halsall, the voice of Dirk in the music, died in 1992, I
believe...
>
> Stig O'Hara is on tour with someone's backing band, I think; don't
remember
> who, though...
>
> John Halsey -- couldn't tell ya!

I think John was in a very bad car crash several years ago, badly
injuring a leg, which now prevents him from drumming professionally.
Last I heard, he'd opened a pub in (I think) a town not too far from
Oxford (....or was it Cambridge?????).

Colin Barratt

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>...
>>
>> John Halsey -- couldn't tell ya!
>
>I think John was in a very bad car crash several years ago, badly
>injuring a leg, which now prevents him from drumming professionally.
>Last I heard, he'd opened a pub in (I think) a town not too far from
>Oxford (....or was it Cambridge?????).
I saw John Halsey wandering around Beatlefest in Liverpool in August
1998. He was just entering the Adelphi as I was leaving. He was limping
slightly at the time too so that maybe fits in with the car crash story.

Colin
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thedoubtersneedle (thedoubt...@my-deja.com) dixit:

>> John Halsey -- couldn't tell ya!

>I think John was in a very bad car crash several years ago, badly
>injuring a leg, which now prevents him from drumming professionally.
>Last I heard, he'd opened a pub in (I think) a town not too far from
>Oxford (....or was it Cambridge?????).

Well, it couldn't have been too damaging, since he drummed on Archaeology as
well as at Beatlefest in '97...

memyselfandi

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:03:35 GMT, Mister Charlie <cc...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

>Am I missing something here??? Parody is protected by the first
>amendment. Clearly this was a parody of the Beatles (brilliant and
>loving) and how the hell can any of those great songs be plagarism?

Because The Beatles aren't in America with its first amendment.
Neither were the Rutles. Why should US domestic law apply?

thedoubt...@my-deja.com

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In article <853.881T319T1...@wallnet.com>,

Dauber <dau...@wallnet.com> wrote:
> thedoubtersneedle (thedoubt...@my-deja.com) dixit:
>
> >> John Halsey -- couldn't tell ya!
>
> >I think John was in a very bad car crash several years ago, badly
> >injuring a leg, which now prevents him from drumming professionally.
> >Last I heard, he'd opened a pub in (I think) a town not too far from
> >Oxford (....or was it Cambridge?????).
>
> Well, it couldn't have been too damaging, since he drummed on
Archaeology as
> well as at Beatlefest in '97...

He drummed on a couple of the Archaeology tracks: most of the drumming
was done by Ricky Fataar, according to Neil Innes.
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In article <853.881T319T1...@wallnet.com>,
Dauber <dau...@wallnet.com> wrote:
> thedoubtersneedle (thedoubt...@my-deja.com) dixit:
>
> >> John Halsey -- couldn't tell ya!
>
> >I think John was in a very bad car crash several years ago, badly
> >injuring a leg, which now prevents him from drumming professionally.
> >Last I heard, he'd opened a pub in (I think) a town not too far from
> >Oxford (....or was it Cambridge?????).
>
> Well, it couldn't have been too damaging, since he drummed on
Archaeology as
> well as at Beatlefest in '97...

He drummed on a couple of the Archaeology tracks: most of the drumming

was done by Ricky Fataar, according to anecdotes told by Neil Innes at
one of his gigs earlier this year.

thedoubt...@my-deja.com

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In article <37a330a...@news.iol.ie>,

A very good point! But surely the UK must have some sort of legal
precedent for cases of parody?

Dagny Scott

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>
>Because The Beatles aren't in America with its first amendment.
>Neither were the Rutles. Why should US domestic law apply?

because americans are extremely self-centered

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>>
>>Because The Beatles aren't in America with its first amendment.
>>Neither were the Rutles. Why should US domestic law apply?
>
>because americans are extremely self-centered
>

The less jingoistic answer would be because all the parties involved do a
large percentage of their business in the US. I'm sure the Beatles are
perfectly happy to invoke US law when it protects their copyrights.

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