Beatles did not play their own instruments!
Mike Hunt
records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
special?
Dark Horse
It's also widely known that Robert Plant provided vocals
and Jon Bonham was the wonderkind drummer!
Why wasn't this in the Anthology either??!
--
John T. Robicheau jtr...@pitt.edu
Looks like a little brother to the sun
Or mother to the stars at night
..here comes the moon.... George Harrison
Dark Horse
>On Dec 12, 1995 16:02:48 in article <Beatles did not play their own
>instruments!>, 'anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)' wrote:
>
>
>>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>>special?
>>
>
> Why mention something in a show that factually is not true? By the
>way, where did you get such laughably "widely known" notion as this?
Check out the "name" and email adress, it's obviously a fake.
get it "Mike Hunt" (repeat 10 times fast)
Lizz Braver
cluel...@usa.pipeline.co says...
> Why mention something in a show that factually is not true? By the
>way, where did you get such laughably "widely known" notion as this?
>
>--
While it is well-documented that Jimmy Page was a great session man, and
did work with the Kinks (although to this day Ray Davies denies it), the
Who (doubling rhythm with Pete Townshend on "I Can't Explain"), Joe
Cocker, and Them, I've never seen anything that states he worked with the
Beatles.
Unless this can be documented most carefully, this goes into the Sour
Grapes file (they can't have been that good, it must have been a P.R.
scam, they didn't write their own songs, they didn't play their own
instruments). Who does this guy think he's talking about, the Monkees?
Reference--_The Book of Rock Lists-, Dave Marsh and Kevin Stein (New York:
Dell Publishing Co./ Rolling Stone Press, 1981), ISBN 0-440-57580-X.
William Parsons
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>From: anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)
>Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
>Subject: Beatles did not play their own instruments!
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>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>special?
>
Zepplin, when Bonham was a little too tipsy
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Charles Sciandra
>
>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>special?
Your name is most appropriate!
CluelessJoe
instruments!>, 'anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)' wrote:
>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>special?
>
way, where did you get such laughably "widely known" notion as this?
--
12/12/95
Chris
>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>special?
during the While My Guitar Gently Weeps session? Being Clapton's
replacement and all. And speaking of the Replacements...ahh,
nevermind...
-(CJW) The long and winding stairway
CluelessJoe
>Check out the "name" and email adress, it's obviously a fake.
>
>get it "Mike Hunt" (repeat 10 times fast)
>
Yeah, I feel like "Mo" getting a call from Bart Simpson. Actually, I
only saw the name Mike and the moronic note, and then fired off a quickie
reply. I've seen posts even dumber than that on the group, and they were
sincerely written!
--
cluel...@usa.pipeline.com
12/12/95
Eddie Punchclock
>On Dec 12, 1995 16:02:48 in article <Beatles did not play their own
>instruments!>, 'anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)' wrote:
>
>
>>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>>special?
>>
>
>Mike,
> Why mention something in a show that factually is not true? By the
>way, where did you get such laughably "widely known" notion as this?
>
You must be pretty naive to think that any musicians of that era,
including the Beatles, did their own playing. A talented producer like
George Martin would never let a bunch of unknoowns waste valuable
studio time with their drugged out antics. Most of the music to come
out of the U.K. at the time was the work of a group of session gurus
that you could count on on your hands. Clueless, indeed!
>
>12/12/95
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King of All Beatles
1968? Widely known? I have been a fan of the Beatles since 1977, I've read dozens of articles and
books, some by professors, on the subject. Some positive some negative, but I've never heard
this load of crap in my life. Give me some proof!!!!!
Dark Horse
nothing of any value
nice handle "Mr Punchclock @ smegma.net"
BTW you're a coward.
Sally Housecoat
It's amazing how bitter people can get when they have attend
university in some God-forsaken steel town just because they weren't
smart enough to get into a real school
>nice handle "Mr Punchclock @ smegma.net"
>BTW you're a coward.
If you call me names you're going to hurt my feelings
>John T. Robitard
Dark Horse
Nothing but lies once again.
It's amazing how afraid can get that they post from a fake
email address. Dept,, of Computer and Information Science, NCTU, Taiwan?
Is that part made up to? Probably. Go back under your rock now.
> because they weren't
>smart enough to get into a real school
Stop talking about yourself so much.
At least I use my real name. Go hide under the bed. Stop blubbering too!
Eric Bond
>Am I the ONLY one that knows that the guy who wote the original post was just
>kidding??? I've seen about five posts asking for proof or simply saying that it
>wasn't true. For christ's sake the guy was joking, leave it alone already!!!
Actually, I'm not sure he was. I sent him a reply that suggested he was
kidding and asked me why I wasn't taking him seriously.
Allabaster
Eric Bond
>You must be pretty naive to think that any musicians of that era,
>including the Beatles, did their own playing. A talented producer like
>George Martin would never let a bunch of unknoowns waste valuable
>studio time with their drugged out antics.
You are the naive (or ignorant) one. It is well known that parlophone records
where George Martin was working was on the verge of going out of business when
the Beatles showed up.
Allabaster
Jake Muskopf
Al Nockerup
>John T. Robicheau jtr...@pitt.edu wrote:
>It's amazing how afraid can get that they post from a fake
>email address. Dept,, of Computer and Information Science, NCTU, Taiwan?
You're just mad 'cause you don't know how to do it.
>At least I use my real name. Go hide under the bed. Stop blubbering too!
Hooray for Robotard!
Aaron Bucky
Punchclock) wrote:
> You must be pretty naive to think that any musicians of that era,
> including the Beatles, did their own playing. A talented producer like
> George Martin would never let a bunch of unknoowns waste valuable
> studio time with their drugged out antics. Most of the music to come
> out of the U.K. at the time was the work of a group of session gurus
> that you could count on on your hands. Clueless, indeed!
Gee, where did this troll get his "facts" from?
Sorry for bothering to respond to a troll (and thus perpetuating the
thread), everyone...they may not live under bridges, but they tend to get
my goat. :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron "Yes, I _do_ change my .sig from time to time" Bucky
abu...@haverford.edu
Guitar master (wannabe), Beatles fan and space cadet
jtr...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
>>John T. Robicheau jtr...@pitt.edu wrote:
>>It's amazing how afraid can get that they post from a fake
>>email address. Dept,, of Computer and Information Science, NCTU, Taiwan?
>
> You're just mad 'cause you don't know how to do it.
You're actually proud of this? I'm embarrassed for you...
don't worry.
>>At least I use my real name. Go hide under the bed. Stop blubbering too!
> Hooray for Robotard!
Wow,whomever you are this nanosecond, you're so witty!
--
John T. Robicheau
http://www.pitt.edu/~jtrst4
Ph.D. Candidate, Pharmaceutical Science
Al Nockerup
>In article <4aqbal$7...@news.cis.nctu.edu.tw>, r...@tubebar.com (Al Nockerup) writes:
>>>John T. Robitard jtr...@pitt.edu wrote:
>> You're just mad 'cause you don't know how to do it.
>What? Use Netscape?
Yeah, Netscape is a real good newsreader fuckwit
>You're actually proud of this? I'm embarrassed for you...
I think you'd better stick with being embarassed of your bald spot.
>--
>John T. Robitard
>http://www.pitt.edu/~jtrst4
>Ph.D. Candidate, Pharmaceutical Science
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You actually know how to put pills into little bottles?
Maybe you can get your mom a discount on her syphilis medication.
nobody@nowhere
King of All Beatles <shw...@bu.edu> wrote:
>You say it is widely known that Jimmy Page played on all the Bealtes albums
between 1966 and
>1968? Widely known? I have been a fan of the Beatles since 1977, I've read
dozens of articles and
>books, some by professors, on the subject. Some positive some negative, but
I've never heard
>this load of crap in my life. Give me some proof!!!!!
>
>
instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it would be best to
allow session musicians to augment their studio recordings. One need only
listen to any live concert during the sixties to discover that the beatles
were shamefully inept musically.
BTW These professors you mention, are they professors of beatology only? or do
they teach other subjects such as math or science as well.
steve g
I dare say the lead guitar would have been far sharper and
more innovative than what appeared on record.
Sorry, no James Patrick Page.
Hammer of God rules
Zep is forever!!!!
s
nobody@nowhere
jimmy page is only good at one of them.
Lizz Braver
>
>In article <4ao3dd$1...@news.bu.edu>,
>>
>During the early years, the beatles did play, for the most part their own
>instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it would be
best to
>allow session musicians to augment their studio recordings. One need only
>listen to any live concert during the sixties to discover that the
beatles
>were shamefully inept musically.
>BTW These professors you mention, are they professors of beatology only?
or do
>they teach other subjects such as math or science as well.
Your opinion and suppositions are not proof. You made the claim; you
supply the proof. Until then, I think I'll go with Mark Lewisohn and
George Martin.
Nice return email address. You afraid of something?
David Stevens
>
>In article <4ao3dd$1...@news.bu.edu>,
> King of All Beatles <shw...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>You say it is widely known that Jimmy Page played on all the Bealtes
>>albums between 1966 and 1968? Widely known? I have been a fan of the
>>Beatles since 1977, I've read dozens of articles and books, some by
>>professors, on the subject. Some positive some negative, but I've
>>never heard this load of crap in my life. Give me some proof!!!!!
>>
>>
>own instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it
>would be best to allow session musicians to augment their studio
>recordings. One need only listen to any live concert during the
>sixties to discover that the beatles were shamefully inept musically.
>BTW These professors you mention, are they professors of beatology
>only? or do they teach other subjects such as math or science as well.
I am floored. I have been a beatle fan since before i can remember. I,
like King of all Beatles, have read numerous books and articals and had
never heard anyone even hint that the beatles did't play their own
instuments. King of all Beatles challenged you to produce proof and you
reassert your belief with no backing. I'm Puzzled. You suggest that we
should listen to their concerts from the 60's, but the Beatles have
said them selves that they hated playing live because they could
not hear them selves. Is it any wonder their concert don't match the
quality of the recordings? You also suggest that Jimmy Page played on
the albums?!? Could two styles be any different? Jimmy sounded nothing
like that his ballesy Gibson sound can not be heard on ANY beatles
album. I'm willing to re-examine but please offer us some proof.
The Taxman
Kozinn
This is all complete lunacy: forget about books, forget about rumors --
there is approximately 30 hours of bootlegged session tape floating
around, including sessions as early as the Decca audition and as late as
Abbey Road (well, even later: I Me Mine, the last recording), in which you
can hear them discussing things, trying out things, etc. If studio
players were doing the work, you'd hear them, or some discussion with them
-- as indeed you do when wind and brass players are brought in, as in the
Penny Lane session. What you hear on most of the session tapes, however,
is discussion between the four Beatles. It seems pretty clear that they're
the only musicians in the room.
Yes, they were out of shape on stage in 1966: big deal. They were so
uninterested in that tour that they never even rehearsed before going out
on it. What would have been the point: No-one was actually listening.
Listen to their concert recordings from '63: the playing is extremely
tight, extremely aggressive -- and with the exception of Paperback Writer
and maybe one or two other things, the material they were playing *live*
in 66 was not a great deal harder than what they were doing in 63. It's
not that they were bad musicians; they worked hard in the studio and
sleepwalked in concert.
I think the Beatles and Martin have always been very clear about when
others were involved -- e.g., Andy White on the Sept.11 session, Martin
himself on some early keyboard parts; the obvious session players where
strings, winds and brass were required; Clapton on While My Guitar Gently
Weeps; Nicky Hopkins on piano in Revolution, and Billy Preston on
keyboards during the last stage of the Let It Be sessions. I may have
forgotten something, but that's about it. It's never been a secret. Jimmy
Page played on Kinks sessions, Donovan sessions and lots of others; but
not for the Beatles.
Allan <kozinn@aol> or <a.ko...@genie.geis.com>
Paul & Victoria Heisner
<4ar44p$a...@sam.inforamp.net>, nobody@nowhere would say...
>During the early years, the beatles did play, for the most part their own
>instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it would be best to
>allow session musicians to augment their studio recordings. One need only
>listen to any live concert during the sixties to discover that the beatles
>were shamefully inept musically.
That's not the way I heard it. I heard that the Beatles had studio
musicians playing _all_ of their music until one day the lads went to
listen to the acetate for "Hey Jude" and heard "Hey Hey, We're the
Monkees".
Vicki
Vicki Heisner
vhei...@ainet.com
LUNAR #365
MSTie #59274
Joseph Brennan
>This is all complete lunacy. . .
>there is approximately 30 hours of bootlegged session tape . . .
>in which you
>can hear them discussing things, trying out things, etc.
And it's a tribute to Apple that over all these years they've managed
to keep letting those doctored session tapes "slip out" (wink wink) to
keep up the charade. The boot CD of March 5 1963 "sessions" was very
impressive, and essentially a warmup for the faked Anthology cuts in
which we hear the "Beatles" "rehearse" songs and "change the
arrangements". The death of Paul in 1966 was nothing- this "play
their own instruments" thing is far more elaborate. It's no wonder
they had to give up public performance in 1966, although their miming
was good enough by 1969 for the Get Back "performances". Allan of
course is obliged by his contract with the Trilateral Commission to
post denials, but we all know the truth, eh?
Joe
Bruce Mcintyre
>In article <4ao3dd$1...@news.bu.edu>,
> King of All Beatles <shw...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>You say it is widely known that Jimmy Page played on all the Bealtes albums
>between 1966 and
>>1968? Widely known? I have been a fan of the Beatles since 1977, I've read
>dozens of articles and
>>books, some by professors, on the subject. Some positive some negative, but
>I've never heard
>>this load of crap in my life. Give me some proof!!!!!
>>
>>
>instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it would be best to
>allow session musicians to augment their studio recordings. One need only
>listen to any live concert during the sixties to discover that the beatles
>were shamefully inept musically.
>they teach other subjects such as math or science as well.
OH MY GOD....OH MY GOD....OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!! AND ALL THESE YEARS AND
ALL THESE DOCUMENTATIONS AND ALL THESE DEMO RECORDINGS SESSION
TAPES...AND THEY'RE ALL WRONG!!!! OH MY GOD.... OH MY GOD....OH MY
FUCKING GOD.... AND IMAGINE.... ONLY YOU, YES ONLY YOU NEW.... WELL I'LL
BE DIPPED IN EXCREMENT...MAY I TOUCH YOUR ROBE????
bruce - just kidding about the robe stuff...
King of All Beatles
Lewisohn. I have read this lengthy, detailed account of life in Abbey Road, and it does not mention Jimmy
Page at all. Also, the book I referred to is The Beatles, by Terence J. O'Grady. The Library Journal said it 'has
a xcellent supporting biliography and discography...a closely detailed musical exegesis of this phenomenal
group.' The argument that the Bealtes did not play their instruments has about as much evidencial support as
the theory that Shakespeare did not write his plays.
I agree with David Stevens in that if you have proof that they did not play their instruments, lets see it.
Richard Matheson
Richard "Hey! Hey! My lasy name is.." Matheson
Steve Triggs
JZR...@prodigy.com (Thomas Joy) wrote:
>This bit about the Beatles not playing their own instruments is bunk. I
>have been a fan and seen them and I have never heard anyone suggest such
>a thing.
This entire thread is pure rubbish...nothing more than flame bait.
\
\_____
\\\\\\ ..... str...@sundial.net ( Steve Triggs )
Thomas Joy
nobody@nowhere
d...@ix.netcom.com(David Stevens ) wrote:
>In <4ar44p$a...@sam.inforamp.net> nobody@nowhere writes:
>>
>>In article <4ao3dd$1...@news.bu.edu>,
>> King of All Beatles <shw...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>>You say it is widely known that Jimmy Page played on all the Bealtes
>>>albums between 1966 and 1968? Widely known? I have been a fan of the
>>>Beatles since 1977, I've read dozens of articles and books, some by
>>>professors, on the subject. Some positive some negative, but I've
>>>never heard this load of crap in my life. Give me some proof!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>During the early years, the beatles did play, for the most part their
>>own instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it
>>would be best to allow session musicians to augment their studio
>>recordings. One need only listen to any live concert during the
>>sixties to discover that the beatles were shamefully inept musically.
>>BTW These professors you mention, are they professors of beatology
>>only? or do they teach other subjects such as math or science as well.
>
>
>like King of all Beatles, have read numerous books and articals and had
>never heard anyone even hint that the beatles did't play their own
>instuments. King of all Beatles challenged you to produce proof and you
>reassert your belief with no backing. I'm Puzzled. You suggest that we
>should listen to their concerts from the 60's, but the Beatles have
>said them selves that they hated playing live because they could
>not hear them selves. Is it any wonder their concert don't match the
>quality of the recordings? You also suggest that Jimmy Page played on
>the albums?!? Could two styles be any different? Jimmy sounded nothing
>like that his ballesy Gibson sound can not be heard on ANY beatles
>album. I'm willing to re-examine but please offer us some proof.
>
>The Taxman
>
yardbirds albums is the thinnest sounding shit I have ever heard. I shall not
disagree with you when you claim you are puzzled.
nobody@nowhere
bru...@idirect.com (Bruce Mcintyre) wrote:
>nobody@nowhere wrote:
>>In article <4ao3dd$1...@news.bu.edu>,
>> King of All Beatles <shw...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>>You say it is widely known that Jimmy Page played on all the Bealtes albums
>>between 1966 and
>>>1968? Widely known? I have been a fan of the Beatles since 1977, I've read
>>dozens of articles and
>>>books, some by professors, on the subject. Some positive some negative, but
>>I've never heard
>>>this load of crap in my life. Give me some proof!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>During the early years, the beatles did play, for the most part their own
>>instruments. After achieving some fame it was decided that it would be best
to
>>allow session musicians to augment their studio recordings. One need only
>>listen to any live concert during the sixties to discover that the beatles
>>were shamefully inept musically.
>>BTW These professors you mention, are they professors of beatology only? or
do
>>they teach other subjects such as math or science as well.
>
>
>ALL THESE DOCUMENTATIONS AND ALL THESE DEMO RECORDINGS SESSION
>TAPES...AND THEY'RE ALL WRONG!!!! OH MY GOD.... OH MY GOD....OH MY
>FUCKING GOD.... AND IMAGINE.... ONLY YOU, YES ONLY YOU NEW.... WELL I'LL
>BE DIPPED IN EXCREMENT...MAY I TOUCH YOUR ROBE????
>
>
>bruce - just kidding about the robe stuff...
>
the robe.
Paul & Victoria Heisner
say...
>The argument that the Bealtes did not play their instruments has about as much evidencial support as
>the theory that Shakespeare did not write his plays.
Well, it is also a well-known fact that before picking up the guitar,
Jimmy Page was a mean bard, and did, in fact, ghostwrite all of
Shakespeare's major works. There is still some dispute concerning the
minor works, but it's generally agreed that they were all penned by
some nameless hack in Blackpoole. The publisher apparently brought in
Page because he was dissatisfied with the hack's work during the early
sessions.
All of this is well-documented in "Dropping Acid and Doin'
Shakespeare" by Snarty Blartfarst put out by We're Bookin' Books.
Your library should have a copy.
HTH,
Kent Johnston
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>From: anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)
>Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
>Subject: Beatles did not play their own instruments!
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:02:48 -0800 (PST)
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>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>special?
That is an easy mistake to make Mike, but you are confusing the Beatles with
the Monkees. Don't worry, quite a few people I'm sure make the same mistake.
Of course I WAS SIX YEARS OLD in 1966 when I last made that mistake.
NOW FOR SOME AMAZING TRIVIA.
Which opening act artist was fired during the Monkee's 1967 tour because he
was considered to be inappropriate.
ANSWER - Jimi Hendrix, who else?
Kent Johnston
Mike Hunt
>That is an easy mistake to make Mike, but you are confusing the Beatles with
>the Monkees. Don't worry, quite a few people I'm sure make the same mistake.
>Of course I WAS SIX YEARS OLD in 1966 when I last made that mistake.
Are you ever cool. Shouldn't you be sifting through moose feces or
something?
>NOW FOR SOME AMAZING TRIVIA. PARTICULARLY AMAZING IF YOU ARE A CLUELESS FUCKWIT
>Which opening act artist was fired during the Monkee's 1967 tour because he
>was considered to be inappropriate.
Why don't you go back to the mall and read some more of the "rock
biography" section, then come back here and fascinate us with tidbits
we've all heard a million times.
>Kent "Old Guacamole Pants" Johnston
Holden Caulfield
kent is engaged in a lifelong losefest. I welcome your arguments and wish to
hear more of the truth which is so suppressed in this newsgroup of sycophants.
Holden Caulfield
str...@sundial.net (Steve Triggs) wrote:
>In article <4b08qu$1h...@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>,
> JZR...@prodigy.com (Thomas Joy) wrote:
>
>\
> \_____
> \\\\\\ ..... str...@sundial.net ( Steve Triggs )
Steve, surely you can not beleive the beatles were responsible for all of
their own musicianship. Session work is a fact of life, the fab four were no
different.
Mike Hunt
>>
I could not agree with you more that
>kent is engaged in a lifelong losefest. I welcome your arguments and wish to
>hear more of the truth which is so suppressed in this newsgroup of sycophants.
I'm glad to see someone finally making some sense around here. I can
barely stomach these ignorant yahoos, spewing their goonbabble and
refusing to accept any ideas differing remotely from their media-bred
points of view.
Edward S. Chen
(1) If you receive an unsolicited advertisement (eg: "SAMPO monitors"),
notify your local system administrator. (root and/or postmaster).
They are the ones best qualified to deal with such nuisances.
(2) Ignore the joker who has just learned how to forge with his mac, and
thinks its cool to troll in rec.music.beatles.
The same fellow, posting out of an account in taiwan
(news.cis.nctu.edu.tw) will go away when ignored.
<ESC>
--
"I think I'd like to play guitar, and be a Beatle. That'd be so swell."
Colin Sumner
>cluel...@usa.pipeline.com(CluelessJoe) wrote:
>>On Dec 12, 1995 16:02:48 in article <Beatles did not play their own
>>instruments!>, 'anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)' wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>>>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>>>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>>>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>>>special?
>>>
>>
>>Mike,
>> Why mention something in a show that factually is not true? By the
>>way, where did you get such laughably "widely known" notion as this?
>>
>You must be pretty naive to think that any musicians of that era,
>including the Beatles, did their own playing. A talented producer like
>George Martin would never let a bunch of unknoowns waste valuable
>studio time with their drugged out antics. Most of the music to come
>out of the U.K. at the time was the work of a group of session gurus
>that you could count on on your hands. Clueless, indeed!
>>
>>12/12/95
>>
>>
>>
>> Jimmy who?????
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
Colin Sumner
MADHOUSE MUSIC.
http://xraent.uel.ac.uk
midi prog-producer-composer.
Durban. S.A.
Allabaster
>cat...@rye.net (Holden Caulfield) wrote:
Okay, smart-ass, let's see some proof. How can you seriously believe that the
most well-known band of all time (or one of the most) could hide something
like this.
Allabaster
Bill McNamara
What is so hard about the music? Anyone who can play guitar can play at least
60% of the stuff that they wrote. The music is good. Just not real hard to
play.
My questions is.Why do people do this?
Bill
el...@telerama.lm.com
Well, of course the Beatles didn't play their own instruments. They
played Hofners, Premiers, Gibsons and Rickenbackers.
Only old-news guitar players who make their living recycling blues
licks would play their own instruments. Of course I'm talking
about the $3000 JIMMY PAGE Les Paul. Think Jimmy kinda needs the
money right now? What a rip-off. None for me thanks!
I'll stick to my Rickenbacker 325V63. NOT the JL model, but identical in
every way! I wouldn't have it any other way.
Andrew Eordogh
>It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
>records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
>wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
>the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
>special?
I thought it was Elvis, not Jimmy Page.
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Edward of Sim
: In article <4akqi3$f...@news.cis.nctu.edu.tw>, anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt) wrote:
: >It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
: >records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
: >wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
: >the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
: >special?
: I thought it was Elvis, not Jimmy Page.
"It's like a relic from a different age. Could be. Oo-wee!"
--
Edward of Sim
tree...@netcom.com
"The claw. It moves."
Aaron Bucky
Caulfield) wrote:
Of course the Beatles used session players on their recordings, just like
everyone else. What's ridiculous and "nothing more than flame bait" is
the original statement someone made that they didn't play their own
instruments at all, and that _all_ the instruments on records were done by
session players. This is indeed ridiculous and nothing more than
flamebait.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron "Yes, I _do_ change my .sig from time to time" Bucky
abu...@haverford.edu
Guitar master (wannabe), Beatles fan and space cadet
Aaron Bucky
(Andrew Eordogh) wrote:
> In article <4akqi3$f...@news.cis.nctu.edu.tw>, anyhow@anyrate (Mike Hunt)
wrote:
>
> >It is widely known that most of the guitar playing on the Beatles
> >records from 1966 to 1968 was done by none other than session
> >wunderkind Jimmy Page, who also played on numerous albums by the Who,
> >the Kinks and Donovan. Why was this not mentioned on the Anthology tv
> >special?
It is "widely known" that Jimmy Page has _claimed_ to have played on about
90% of all records made in the U.K. during a certain period. It is widely
known to be an extreme exaggeration, to say the least. Where do you hear
the Jimmy Page style on any Beatles recording?
Susan Juliano
>Well, of course the Beatles didn't play their own instruments. They
>played Hofners, Premiers, Gibsons and Rickenbackers.
I could have sworn there were Gretsch (sp?) guitars at some early point in
their career. If I'm not imagining it, what ever happened to them?
===========================================================
Susan Juliano <sjul...@moose.erie.net> "We all shine on." -John Lennon
Bruce Mcintyre
>In article <4b1msc$c54...@news.sundial.net>,
> str...@sundial.net (Steve Triggs) wrote:
>>In article <4b08qu$1h...@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>,
>> JZR...@prodigy.com (Thomas Joy) wrote:
>>>This bit about the Beatles not playing their own instruments is bunk. I
>>>have been a fan and seen them and I have never heard anyone suggest such
>>>a thing.
>>
>>This entire thread is pure rubbish...nothing more than flame bait.
>>
>>\
>> \_____
>> \\\\\\ ..... str...@sundial.net ( Steve Triggs )
>
>Steve, surely you can not beleive the beatles were responsible for all of
>their own musicianship. Session work is a fact of life, the fab four were no
>different.
Oh please!!! When the beatles used other musicians (such as George
Martin) it has been well documented in books such as Lewisohn's. This
however was not very often. As you can plainly see the thread of this
posting is that the beatles NEVER played their own instruments which we
ALL know is silly. So let's stop all this and get on to other more
mundane banter.
bruce
David N. Barnett
>Of course the Beatles used session players on their recordings, just like
>everyone else. What's ridiculous and "nothing more than flame bait" is
>the original statement someone made that they didn't play their own
>instruments at all, and that _all_ the instruments on records were done by
>session players. This is indeed ridiculous and nothing more than
>flamebait.
Depends on what you mean by "used session players on their
recordings...." While they did bring in horn players, orchestral
strings, and one or two pianists (Nicky Hopkins, Billy Preston), they
certainly did ALL their own guitars, bass, and drums. Except for one
song with Eric Clapton on guitar, of course. And Brian Jones of The
Rolling Stones once sat in on alto sax. The idea that they brought in
hired ringers is ludicrous.
--dnb
OCEAN DIG
1965.
In the early days, he used a Gretsch Duo Jet ("I Saw Her Standing There"),
moving to a Country Gentleman for a while, and then, by Beatles For Sale,
to a Gretsch Tennessean, which he can be seen playing at Shea Stadium.
Soonafter, he dropped the Gretschs in favor of various other guitars.
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)
Squelchy
>Gretsch played a big part in George's guitar breaks all the way through
>1965.
>
>
he dropped the Gretschs in favor of various other guitars.
See the cover of CLOUD 9 for a nice pic of Geo. with a black
Gretsch.
--
John T. Robicheau
A soap impression of his wife which he ate
And donated to the National Trust......
.....Mother Superior jumped the gun.
Susan Juliano
ocea...@aol.com (OCEAN DIG) wrote:
>In the early days, he used a Gretsch Duo Jet ("I Saw Her Standing There"),
>moving to a Country Gentleman for a while, and then, by Beatles For Sale,
>to a Gretsch Tennessean, which he can be seen playing at Shea Stadium.
>Soonafter, he dropped the Gretschs in favor of various other guitars.
Why did he stop using them? I know next to nothing about guitars, but I
always thought that big beautiful Gretsch was an impressive looking
instrument, and I certainly have no complaints about the sounds that came out
of it when George played it. Is Gretsch even in business anymore? I leafed
through a recent issue of _Guitar Player_ magazine and found not a single ad
for them.
Fletcher Terry
> I could have sworn there were Gretsch (sp?) guitars at some early point in
> their career. If I'm not imagining it, what ever happened to them?
Susan,
You are not imagining it! George Harrison used a Gretsch "Country
Gentleman" model guitar during the early ddays of the band!
Fletcher Terry
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Steven Goldmintz
cutaway, three pickups) George Harrison also used a Chet Atkins
Tennessean (maroon, two pickups, single cutaway, 1965 tour) and earlier
used another model Gretsch.
Cousin Steve
Len Moskowitz
Susan Juliano <sjul...@moose.erie.net> wrote:
> Is Gretsch even in business anymore?
Yes, they are. Since around '93 Fred Gretsch & Co. (Savannah, GA) has
been re-issuing some of their classic models, manufacturing them in
Japan to a very high standard (IMO higher than the early US-made
models). This year they announced that they will begin again
manufacturing some of the most expensive models here in the US.
--
Len Moskowitz
Core Sound WWW site: http://www.panix.com/~moskowit
mosk...@panix.com
OCEAN DIG
he dropped the Gretschs in favor of various other guitars."
Actually, one dropped off the back of their car, and was destroyed.
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)
OCEAN DIG
He dropped them basically because The Beatles sound was changing....and
they were kids getting tons of new gear sent to them all the time...they
had dozens of guitars around and just wanted to try new things. Their
music changed, as did their guitars and amps.
Interestingly, George just bought an early 60s Gretsch Tennessean (as he
used in "Help") earlier this year. So he must still like them.
Gretsch is around, but is made in Japan, I believe...someone can correct
me if I'm wrong here. Most Beatle fans track down vintage models in papers
like "Vintage Guitar." I have a 1964 Gretsch Tennessean like George's that
I love. It's a great sound...Beatles for Sale is filled with it, as are
cuts like "I Feel Fine" and "Shes A Woman".
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)
era...@delphi.com
>But seriously, I have always wondered how much of the keyboard work was
>done by the Beatles and how much was done by George Martin, or
>Billy Preston, or unknown session guys. Who played the piano solo
>on Lovely Rita, for example?
That sounds very much like the piano work from In My Life so I think it's
George Martin.
OK...they didn't play all the instruments in A Day in the Life. And Billy
Preston joined them for the Let it Be sessions. And they had a horn player do
the Penny Lane bit. Not to mention Clapton...
I think, though, it's well documented whenever they had anyone else on the
tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note on Beatle
tunes.
- Eric
paul
>
>And it's a tribute to Apple that over all these years they've managed
>to keep letting those doctored session tapes "slip out" (wink wink) to
>keep up the charade. The boot CD of March 5 1963 "sessions" was very
>impressive, and essentially a warmup for the faked Anthology cuts in
>which we hear the "Beatles" "rehearse" songs and "change the
>arrangements".
e up public performance in 1966, although their miming
>was good enough by 1969 for the Get Back "performances". Allan of
>course is obliged by his contract with the Trilateral Commission to
>post denials, but we all know the truth, eh?
>
>Joe
>
Yeah, sure buddy.
But seriously, I have always wondered how much of the keyboard work was
done by the Beatles and how much was done by George Martin, or
Billy Preston, or unknown session guys. Who played the piano solo
on Lovely Rita, for example?
paul
Squelchy
ention Clapton...
>
>I think, though, it's well documented whenever they had anyone else on the
>tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note on Beatle
>tunes.
Except for Let it Be where John plays and Taxman where George plays..
etc..
>
>- Eric
Joe Caldwell
>Who played the piano solo on Lovely Rita, for example?
If you are talking about the honky tonk piano bit, that was George
Martin. Paul did the straight piano part.
- Joe
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"I always felt I'd make it. There were some moments
of doubt, but I knew something would eventually happen.
When (Aunt) Mimi used to throw away things I had written
or drawn, I used to say, 'You'll regret that when I'm famous',
and I meant it." - John Lennon
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tony Quinn
: I think, though, it's well documented whenever they had anyone else on the
: tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note on
: Beatle tunes.
Except where John or George did..............
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Trent Johnson
i was wondring what all the old beatles first print vynil is worth
including something new and the hamburg recordings
Trent Johnson
cause i dont want to go out and buy ever thing and having to buy even
more to get hey jude and stuff any sudgestions??
Trent Johnson
set of the 10 hour videos man they could of made a ton of money from
chrismas and does anyone know if they are coming out with a limeted
beatles anthology box set with the 8 1o hour tapes all there cds and a
new even more unrealesed stuff
Edward S. Chen
Trent Johnson <eggm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>why the HELL didnt apple/capital/emi realese the beatles anthology box
>set of the 10 hour videos man they could of made a ton of money from
Simple. It isn't completed yet. What *I* want to know is how the
parties involved intend to keep momentum going among the general populace
for the next twelve months.
<ESC>
--
"I think I'd like to play guitar, and be a Beatle. That'd be so swell."
Bob Stahley
: What *I* want to know is how the
: parties involved intend to keep momentum going among the general populace
: for the next twelve months.
The reporters laughed and scratched their heads (as did I) when Neil said it
the first time, but it bears repeating: "It'll just happen."
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Matthew Snyder
>
>I think, though, it's well documented whenever they had anyone else on the
>tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note on Beatle
>tunes.
There was a neat article in Guitar Player mag a few years ago that
discussed that very subject. It seems that all three of them played bass
at one point or another, though Paul was of course the specialist. There
was even a listing of tunes on which Paul didn't play bass. I'll have to
ask my friend who has every issue of GP for the last 12 years to dig up
that issue.
Matt Snyder "I'm all in favor of getting grants for jazz
hsn...@crab.rutgers.edu musicians. Or any other good brand of Scotch."
- Pepper Adams
Max Wallace
> I think, though, it's well documented whenever they had anyone else on the
> tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note on Beatle
> tunes.
>
musician. This doesn't include the countless times George Martin used
session musicians to clean up some of the poor musicianship (usually but
not exlusively Ringo's). This decision was always taken by Paul and George
Martin without telling the other Beatles for fear of bruised egos. Paul,
of course, continued this tradition on the Wings recording sessions to
ensure Linda's worse than mediocre contributions didn't ruin the albums.
Stephen J. Horvath
days. I think it was more fun when we used to get
newsfeeds into a mainframe, and you can count the
number of rmb'ers on your digits....
Re: Page, There's enough video footage of the Beatles playing
live that you can recognize their style with both eyes and
ears. Then when you go back and listen, you can more easily
match the sound to the image of who's actually playing.
There were numerous people who played on Beatles recordings,
on instruments like strings, horns, indian instruments.
Aside from, EC's one guest appearance, there's no other
guitar player (that's not a tape library clip, like Bung.
Bill) then J,P, & G.
(Or maybe I'm just naive.... not).
OCEAN DIG
session musicians to clean up some of the poor musicianship (usually but
not exlusively Ringo's). "
Where are you getting this hopelessly undocumented nonsense?
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)
TOM CRANFIELD
>In article <4buo59$q...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
>Trent Johnson <eggm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>why the HELL didnt apple/capital/emi realese the beatles anthology box
>>set of the 10 hour videos man they could of made a ton of money from
>>chrismas.
>
>parties involved intend to keep momentum going among the general populace
>for the next twelve months.
As a marketing decision, it makes more sense to release a steady stream
of Beatles product rather than releasing it all at once. That way they
both keep the momentum going plus they make more money. You have the TV
show, Anthology 1, the CD single, Anthology 2, its CD single, Anthology
3, its CD single, the 10-hour video, the Box Set with new material.
There will be advertising accompanying each of these products. Also, who
knows, maybe ABC will rerun Anthology at some point. Maybe not (they
wouldn't need to to keep momentum going - all of this other product would
do that). If they released all this stuff at the same time, there would
be market oversaturation, probably reducing sales. I think Apple has made
a smart business decision. Plus it keeps us fans with a steady
anticipation of new Beatles material. Something new every few months. -
Tom
TOM CRANFIELD
I think Apple has made
>a smart business decision. Plus it keeps us fans with a steady
>anticipation of new Beatles material. Something new every few months. -
>Tom
I should add however, that I'm not too thrilled with the marketing
decision to put out an Anthology box set in late 1996 containing some new
material but mostly duplicting what's on anthology 1, 2, and 3. This, to
me, amounts to ripping off the fans. - Tom
Reuben Ayres
>
> "This doesn't include the countless times George Martin used
> session musicians to clean up some of the poor musicianship (usually
but
> not exlusively Ringo's). "
>
>
>
What is the evidence for this assertion?
Many thanks
Reuben Ayres
Reuben Ayres
>
>
> It's only well documented when they OFFICIALLY brought in a session
> session musicians to clean up some of the poor musicianship (usually
but
George
> Martin without telling the other Beatles for fear of bruised egos.
Paul,
> of course, continued this tradition on the Wings recording sessions to
> ensure Linda's worse than mediocre contributions didn't ruin the
albums.
>
>
>
>
>
I'm not questioning the validity of these assertions but on what
evidence are they based?
Many thanks,
Reuben Ayres
OCEAN DIG
I was replying to someone else...I would never post a message implying The
Beatles didn't play their own instruments....it is a totally
unsubstantiated bit of heresay, like Bernard Purdies boasts....
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)
OCEAN DIG
thoughts?
Andy"
The Beatles have never had any qualms about letting it be known Clapton
played on "WMGGently Weeps"....why would they lie about this?
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)
Paul & Victoria Heisner
<714818...@rull.demon.co.uk>, Reuben Ayres
<Reu...@rull.demon.co.uk> would say...
>In article: <4c4dks$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ocea...@aol.com (OCEAN
>DIG) writes:
>>
>> "This doesn't include the countless times George Martin used
>> session musicians to clean up some of the poor musicianship (usually
>but
>> not exlusively Ringo's). "
>>
>>
>>
>--
>What is the evidence for this assertion?
>
>Many thanks
>
>Reuben Ayres
>
Be careful with your attribution line there, Reuben. Ocean Dig didn't
say anything that you accuse him of saying. In fact, what he said
was: <Where are you getting this hopelessly undocumented nonsense?>
So, you see, you both are on the same side.
I know news software can be confusing, but I just wanted to point this
error out to you before you did it to somebody, or somewhere, where
you would get flamed for it....
Take care, and welcome to the group,
Vicki
Vicki Heisner
vhei...@ainet.com
LUNAR #365
MSTie #59274
AZDorfman
>I think, though, it's well documented whenever they had anyone else on
>the
>tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note on
>Beatle
>tunes.
This is not quite true, as on some tunes Paul played piano and John played
the bass. (Yes, I'm aware that overdubbing was possible, but basics were
usually cut live, and even the style is recognizably different. (Also,
this is documented on "Long and Winding Road", and "Let It Be," in the
film "let It Be."
P.S. O.K., it was me....I played all the instruments on the Beatles
recordings <G>
AZDorfman
used to work with the show "Beatlemania." In additiion to having many fine
musicians come through playing and singing the Beatles music (many of
which have gone on to success in their own right), we also hired some
pretty abysmal players either because no one else was auditioning, and we
needed more players for a road company, or they looked so much like a
Beatle that we overlooked the fact that they, well, ahem, sucked...(I
always was against this policy, but I didn't always get my way on such
things). [why, I think that's my record for run-on sentences!]
Anyway, these "players" never failed (much to my amazement) to get
standing ovations from the audience, and good reviews (whether or not the
show did) from the critics.
My point being, to agree whole heartedly with an earlier post which stated
that while the music was certainly brilliant and original, very few of the
basic tracks were terribly difficult to play. Thus, there was no need to
bring in the "heavy artillary."
I have, however, always been suspect of the solos at the end of "Abbey
Road". Yes, 2 out of 3 sound like they could be traded off by Paul and
John. (In fact their styles are pretty clear there) But take, for
example, the next to the last riff...Has anyone ever heard a vibrato like
that come out of George? Sounds exactly like Clapton, though... Any
thoughts?
Andy
Reuben Ayres
>
> Be careful with your attribution line there, Reuben. Ocean Dig didn't
> say anything that you accuse him of saying. In fact, what he said
> was: <Where are you getting this hopelessly undocumented nonsense?>
> So, you see, you both are on the same side.
>
> Vicki
> Vicki Heisner
> vhei...@ainet.com
>
> LUNAR #365
> MSTie #59274
>
>
Dear Vicki,
Many thanks for your kind note. Apologies to Ocean Dig (thanks for your
email): my mistake.
Reuben
--
Reuben Ayres
Reuben Ayres
Many apologies, my mistake
Reuben
--
Reuben Ayres
Derek W Davison
play th.. by era...@delphi.com
> tracks. It's a pretty good bet that PM played every bass guitar note
on Beatle
>
> tunes.
except, of course, when john lennon played bass.
saki
>It's only well documented when they OFFICIALLY brought in a session
>session musicians to clean up some of the poor musicianship (usually but
>Martin without telling the other Beatles for fear of bruised egos.
I'm always enthralled at the perspicacity of Beatles fans who can
detect such session subterfuge without benefit of documentation. :-)
The Fabs' sessions are reasonably available to the clever scholar (through
sources such as "The Anthology", Ultra Rare Trax and/or Unsurpassed
Masters) so that the Beatles' level of musical accomplishment can
be easiy assessed, and a keen ear cannot possibly detect much in
the way of "poor musicianship". Poor hypotheses, on the other hand,
are much more easily unmasked....
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"They have brought a distinctive and exhilarating flavour into a
genre of music that was in danger of ceasing to be music at all."
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: Also, all the Beatles songs were composed by Guy Lombardo and Yoko Ono.
Rimsky-Korsakov?
Max, the hills are alive..........
Bruce
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the Beatles albums, while Pete Best played the drums. Pete was kicked out
because of his beautiful face, that Paul was jealous of which is
unfortunate since Paul died before the Beatles broke up. Now it's Pete
with the pretty face.
Also, all the Beatles songs were composed by Guy Lombardo and Yoko Ono.
I hope we got this all straightened out now.
--
"Workers of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your Beavis and Butthead re runs!"
LRM
"In My Life"?
Rob
>
>cat...@rye.net (Holden Caulfield) wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
> I could not agree with you more that
>>kent is engaged in a lifelong losefest. I welcome your arguments and wish to
>>hear more of the truth which is so suppressed in this newsgroup of sycophants.
>
>I'm glad to see someone finally making some sense around here. I can
>barely stomach these ignorant yahoos, spewing their goonbabble and
>refusing to accept any ideas differing remotely from their media-bred
>points of view.
>
Hello Mike
I almost missed your response which would have been
unfortunate. It appears that you seem to have judged my
reply to your posting as being flippant or patronizing. The
problem was that I had no idea that *THE BEATLES DID NOT PLAY
THEIR INSTRUMENTS* was a serious posting. I just assumed that
it was in the same genre as the earlier *WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THE
BEATLES, THEY ARE SO OLD* or *OASIS IS BETTER THAN THE BEATLES*
postings. Thus I responded in a tongue and cheek manner.
I will now take this opportunity to take a more serious stab at
responding to your SERIOUS posting. I am assuming from your response
that you were born after John Lennon died, so I will not make it
complicated. I tend to agree with you that the Beatles did not always
play their own instruments. Sometimes they would pay session
musicians to accompany them at Abbey Road during some recording sessions.
(Now I know how Marcia Clarke must have felt like explaining something
to the OJ jury). The ultimate journal for determing who these outside
session musicians were and what tracks they participated on is THE
BEATLES COMPLETE RECORDING SESSIONS by Mark Lewisohn. Once you
have read this book, you will no longer have to create simplistic
postings.Paul McCartney refers to Lewisohn's book as the bible. My
reference to Jimi Hendrix being fired as the opening act for the Monkees
in 1967 came from a radio interview broadcast on CHUM-FM Toronto in
September 1977. I have not read or heard about this incident
from any other source.
Cheers Kent
Richard Matheson
didn't and the Partridge Family didn't, but I'm pretty sure the Beatles
did.
Richard "The Monkees weren't about music. They were about freedom and
rebellion." Matheson
Daniel Caccavo
DIG) wrote:
> Reuben,
>
> I was replying to someone else...I would never post a message implying The
> Beatles didn't play their own instruments....it is a totally
> unsubstantiated bit of heresay, like Bernard Purdies boasts....
> OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
> (T Hartman)
Yes. The real secret is that Ocean dig actually played the 12 string on
"Ticket to Ride" <g>. Hi Tom! -DC
Daniel Caccavo
>
(Also,
> this is documented on "Long and Winding Road", and "Let It Be," in the
> film "let It Be."
Acutally, Paul later redubbed the bass on "let it be", but John did play a
surviving bass part on "Helter Skelter", and 6 string bass on "USSR". -DC
Daniel Caccavo
wrote:
> Didn't George Martin actually play the harpsicord in the song
> "In My Life"?
Acutally, it's piano, but he slowed the tape to 1/2 speed while recording
it, so when it got played back at normal speed, it took on the acoustic
characteristic of a harpsichord....-DC
Reuben Ayres
Yes, I've heard this too. However, if you take the song and slow it down
to half speed, the 'harpsichord' still sounds like a harpsichord (to me
anyway). So perhaps it WAS a harpsichord? Lewison claims that the
original reason for speeding it up was that George Martin found it
difficult to play that rapid baroque sequence at tempo.
Reuben
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Reuben Ayres
David N. Barnett
>Didn't George Martin actually play the harpsicord in the song
>"In My Life"?
Yes, George Martin played the part, and was credited on the sleeve of
the record for doing so, but it's just a piano not a harpsichord.
--dnb
Edward J. Igoe
"Can't Buy Me Love" on Tuesday, March 10, 1964 by an unspecified
drummer. Apparently documents found at the studio don't identify
him, only noting that he was paid Ł5 15s.
Anybody·out·there·know·who·it·might·have·been?
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