Fred Seaman re Sean's Birth
freds...@my-deja.com
(...QUESTION FOR FS) re the unusual circumstances surrounding Sean's
birth. My sources are, for the most part, previously published materials
(eg. books by Jerry Hopkins, Jon Weiner, May Pang, Ray Coleman, Albert
Goldman et al., as well as published interviews, newspaper & magazine
articles about J&Y, etc.) I've also had access to various other
documentary materials that are not in the public domain, including
unpublished research by Albert Goldman, transcripts of interviews with
doctors & nurses, hospital records, etc. Lastly, I'm also relying on
testimony by former members of J&Y's inner circle, assistants, friends &
confidantes (some of these, eg Arlene Reckson, jesse Ed Davis, Marnie
Hair, have been quoted in books; others have never spoken publicly). To
the best of my knowledge everything in the following post is true &
factually accurate (& should come as no surprise to serious
Lennonologists...):
In October 1968 JL announced that Yoko was pregnant with his child. On
November 7, Yoko had a medical emergency & was rushed to London's Queen
Charlotte Hospital. J moved into her room, sleeping on an air mattress
laid on the floor & rarely leaving Y's bedside for two weeks. When it
became apparent that Y would lose the baby, J recorded the final
heartbeats of the unborn child with a stethoscopic microphone (the
recording was included on Life With The Lions). On Nov.23 the dead
foetus was removed from Y. J's extreme concern about Y. & his deep
distress at the loss of the child was deepened by guilt. As Y years
later told her assistant, Arlene Reckson, the miscarriage had been
triggered by a beating she received from J.
By spring 1969 Y. was pregnant again. On Oct.9, the date of J's 29th
birthday, she suffered a miscarriage after a botched attempt to induce
labor. Hemorrhaging badly, Y. was rushed to king's College Hospital,
where she received an emergency blood transfusion. This was the first of
several attempts by Y to give birth on J's birthday. She tried again the
following year. On March 29, 1970, the British press announced that Y
was two months pregnant and expecting a baby in -- you guessed it! --
October. That summer J&Y were in LA doing Primal Therapy. In August, Y
checked herself into Cedars of Lebanon Hospital under the name of Iris
Keitel (Allen Klein's assistant) & suffered another miscarriage (her
third in as many years).
Y. next became pregnant in February, 1975. She told John Green that the
child was conceived on February 1 -- the night J (who at the time was
still living with May Pang) went to the Dakota to be *cured* of his
addiction to nicotine (see May's book, LOVING JOHN, for further
details...) However, in a letter J wrote to his cousin, Dr. Leila
Harvey in summer 1975, he stated that the date of conception was Feb.7.
On October 8, 1975, Leon Wildes, J's immigration lawyer, called J at the
Dakota (J had moved back in with Y in March) to tell him that a
three-judge panel had just ruled in his favor in the governmment's
deportation case. J was elated, as the ruling was tantamount to being
granted permission to become a permamnent resident of the U.S. J then
revealed his own big news: "I'm going to the hospital!" he breathlessly
confided to Wildes. "Yoko is going to be induced tonight!" Later that
evening, Wildes received a call from Y asking him to come to the
hospital with his wife so that they could all celebrate the legal
victory. When Ruth and Leon Wildes arrived at New York Hospital that
evening, they found Y resting comfortably in a room with a view of the
East River (the very same room -- as per Y's request -- that her role
model, Jackie Kennedy, had occupied when she gave birth to Caroline).
The lawyer and his wife remained at Y's bedside until midnight,
discussing the court ruling and celebrating the hard-fought victory.
Soon after midnight, Y began to complain of abdominal cramps & was
wheeled into the delivery room. Y requested that labor be induced, but
the doctors told her & J that because of her history of abortions &
miscarriages, a natural or induced birth was extremely risky & would
endanger both her & the baby's life. The head of obstetrics advised J&Y
that a Caesaerian section was the best option, but he wanted to wait &
do some further tests on Y. before making a final decision. However, Y
did not see the need for further tests. She claimed to be in pain &
wanted to get it over with. She opted for an emergency C-section. J
agreed & the baby was surgically removed from Y at 2:00 AM on October 9,
J's 35th birthday.
As soon as the baby had been delivered, it became apparent that there
had been no medical emergency with the mother. Meanwhile, the newborn
infant began to exhibit some alarming symptoms, violent shaking & muscle
spasms. The baby was taken to intensive care, where the shaking and
twitching only got worse. Most of the doctors and nurses had never seen
anything like it in a newborn baby. At first it was thought that the
tremors were indicative of neurological damage, and a spinal tap was
ordered. A long needle was inserted into the baby's spine to extract a
sample of its spinal fluid -- an extremely dangerous procedure,
especially with a small baby, because if the needle is off by just
millimiters it can lead to permanent paralysis. When an analysis of
Sean's spinal fluid revealed no abnormalities, the doctors decided to
take a closer look at Y. One of the doctors who was experienced in
treating drug addicts realized that Sean's tremors, muscle spasms and
twitching movements were symptomatic of drug withdrawal. A urine sample
was taken from Y, and when it revealed strong traces of heroin, among
other drugs, the head of obstetrics confronted J&Y and accused them of
being drug addicts. "We weren't taking any drugs!" J protested. "We were
on a health food diet!" The doctor ignored J's assertion, which was
contradicted by the medical evidence. He told J&Y that they were "unfit
parents" & said that he was obligated to file a report with the child
welfare authorities.
The baby was kept in intensive care & Y was denied permission to see
him. Meanwhile, J was frantic with worry, afraid that Sean would be
taken away from them. After three days, Y was finally allowed to visit
Sean in intensive care. J&Y subsequently fled the hospital with baby
Sean. Years later, Y told Jon Weiner: "John and I actually ran out of
the hospital carrying the baby. A nurse ran after me saying, 'We need to
do one more blood test and we have to cut his toe and take some blood.'
John shouted, 'Not another test! Poor kid! Have some pity, please!' When
we got home, the baby's spasm was still there. John and I took turns
staying up at night and rubbed Chinese herbal medicine on Sean every two
hours. We prayed. The spasms stopped after several months of this.
[Sean's tremors lasted well into 1976, according to several sources, eg.
guitarist Jesse Ed davis, who took a number of polaroid shots of J&Y
with the infant four months after Sean's birth, and in every photo he
was surprised to see that the baby was a *blur*!] Since then Sean has
been a very healthy boy. John was always afraid to tell this story,
about the hospital...He was afraid they would come and take Sean away
from us."
Actually, the story of how J&Y were allegedly insulted, threatened and
mistreated at New York Hospital is one that J alluded to often over the
years (I myself have heard it from J's lips on more than one occasion).
Marnie Hair (the mother of Sean's first *girlfriend*, Caitlin & a close
friend & confidant of Y in the late 1970s), remembers a night in the
winter of 1978 when JL gave the familiar yarn a startling new twist.
Marnie was sitting with J&Y in the kitchen of their downstairs
neighbors, the well-known restauranteur Warner LeRoy (owner of
Tavern-on-the-Green), and his wife, Kay. J was in a jocular mood, and at
the point in the story where the head of obstetrics accused J&Y of being
drug addicts, J raised his voice in tones of exasperated innocence and
cried: "I was absolutely clean!" Then he cast a withering glance at Y
and asked: "You weren't using, were you, Mother?" Y's mortified silence
spoke volumes...
During Y's pregnancy, J had made a supreme effort to avoid drugs. He
even stopped smoking for the first and only time in his life. He
demanded the same kind of renunciation of drugs from Y. But lacking J's
iron will & discipline, she soon began to sneak *forbidden* (unhealthy)
foods & drugs behind J's back. Before long she was smoking up to four
packs of Kools a day. J wasn't blind. When he began to suspect that Y
was using heroin behind his back, he kept a close eye on her. During the
early months of the pregnancy he followed her around the apartment &
even followed her into the bathroom. He was driving her crazy with his
efforts to protect the unborn child. Yoko finally managed to get rid of
J during the summer of 1975, when he went off to stay in a rented stone
house in Montauk. It was during this time that Y most likely became
re-addicted to H, which would explain why there were still strong traces
of the drug in her urine in Oct. [Y has claimed in interviews that that
her urine merely showed traces of the anesthetic she was given at the
hospital before the C-section].
All things considered, Sean's birth must be considered near-miraculous.
When I first became aware of the fact that father & son shared the same
birthday, I naively assumed that it was an amazing coincidence. I even
said so to J, whose response startled me: He said that Sean's Oct.9
birth had been no accident. "Mother's always trying to have babies on my
birthday," he told me. At first, I assumed he was kidding. It wasn't
until I found out that Y firmly subscribed to an ancient occult belief
that a child born on its father's birthday will inherit his soul when
the father dies, that I understood why Y gave birth on Oct.9: Her goal
was to bestow JL's genius upon her child.
-FRED SEAMAN
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Mister Charlie
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"...I've had a tale or two and I don't care..."
Daniel
Daniel
Mister Charlie <cc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:86grr1$r9v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> wow...fascinating, Fred
> --
> --------------------------------------------
> "...I've had a tale or two and I don't care..."
>
>
ladyjean
--
Jean
onono...@my-deja.com
Regardless whether Fred's patchwork quilt of a post has any truth to it at
all, (and I wouldn't waste a minute of my time picking out the parts that are
easily disputed) it is still the grossest sort of invasion of privacy.
Case in point: Goldman asserted in his scrofulous book about John that Yoko
and John were using heroin as long ago as the summer of 1968... an outright
lie. I knew when I read it that, as with Goldman's florid hagiographies of
Lenny Bruce and Elvis Presley, his lack of journalistic ethics and morbid
desire to be recognized as an authority on famous dead people, as biography
his work had no value except as voyeuristic propaganda.
It matters not at all what people in this newsgroup think of Yoko Ono.
As a living breathing woman, she has and had the same rights of privacy
regarding her medical records as everyone else.
Here's another clue for you all: Medical professionals do not discuss their
patients' treatment. Ever.
Francie
--
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
"They are still censoring art today,
and there are still individuals who
exercise their freedom of expression,
and pay the price."
~æ•· Tim Robbins
December 6, 1999. New York Times
rrcrumb
Are you aware how kooky Y was
considered from a Japanese point of view 30
years ago? She certainly came to the land of
her dreams when she came to NYC and the
NYC art/avant-garde scene?
The Japanese are stiflingly traditional especially back then.
Her stuff/"art"would have been TOTALLY ignored in Japan
and called mentally deranged and foreign influenced.
And her behavior as far as 8 (8?) abortions and inducing labor
for the benefit of crazy schemes would have added to this
Japanese opinion if it were publicly known. A mad woman!
A Pretty Nice Girl
<freds...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
poop...@my-deja.com
You are so incredibly full of shit.
You cared for John, eh?
Yeah, right
rrcrumb
freds...@my-deja.com wrote in message <86gqbp$qdn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>.
"Before long she was smoking up to four
packs of Kools a day. J wasn't blind. When he began to suspect that Y
was using heroin behind his back, he kept a close eye on her. During
===========
Back then it was considered EXTREMELY against
the grain for a Japanese woman to smoke....and so
much!
Smoking was considered a guy thing and most unfeminine.
Mister Charlie
onono...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <ladyjean-240...@dialupd67.albq.uswest.net>,
> lady...@johnlennons.mail22.com (ladyjean) wrote:
>
(he mentions him, actually). John Green's book was, to me, a
despicable attempt at self-inflation and dragging Yoko and John into
the dirt. I have not read Fred (nor Francie's) books, but I read
Greens (admittedly a long time ago). Do I doubt that Yoko was still
addicted to heroin at some time in the 70's? No, it IS an addiction.
Very hard to kick. And bottom line: do I care??? Does it have
anything to do with my thoughts of J&Y or my desire to know more
substantial information? Do I love them less for this crap slung at
them? NO!
In fact, it makes me feel sorry for Yoko...in that being an addict is a
miserable state of affairs. Yes, I know she lived better than any
junkie on earth thanks to the money and not having to sleep on the
streets and all, but a junkie is a junkie. So if certain authors are
trying to turn people against Yoko...as far as I'm concerned, it's not
working.
--
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"...I've had a drink or two and I don't care..."
freds...@my-deja.com
poop...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <86gqbp$qdn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> You are so incredibly full of shit.
>
> You cared for John, eh?
>
> Yeah, right
>
You're living up to yer Deja Moniker, poopster. But, to answer your
question: Yes, I did care for JL (still do, in fact...) I also care
about the truth.---FS
freds...@my-deja.com
You're right about Y being regarded as kooky by the Japanese. She
worked at it, after all & really enjoyed scandalizing & shocking the
Japanese media & public with some of her outrageous antics (especially
when she took off her clothes for *art's* sake...) She'd always resented
the basically conservative, constrictive japanese society & this was her
way of *rebelling*
Re her numerous abortions: I'm not so sure that this would be
considered scandalous in Japan. One must keep in mind that until
recently the Pill & IUDs were banned in Japan & thus abortion was the
only socially acceptable means of birth control.
-FS
afr
C-Section baby. And I was born on my father's birthday. Because the docs
knew I would be C-Section in advance, they gave my parents a choice of
days within a range of a few days. Of course, they chose my dad's
birthday.
Anon
That automatically precluded a bigmouth tell-all twit like
you entering the medical profession then.
> Here's another clue for you all:
>Medical professionals do not discuss their
> patients' treatment. Ever.
>
> Francie
Except if your only patient was Paul,of course.
You twit.
Mister Charlie
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"...I've had a troll or two and I don't care..."
poop...@my-deja.com
freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <86i0c3$lqg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> poop...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <86gqbp$qdn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > You are so incredibly full of shit.
> >
> > You cared for John, eh?
> >
> > Yeah, right
> > ============
> >
> You're living up to yer Deja Moniker, poopster. But, to answer your
> question: Yes, I did care for JL (still do, in fact...) I also care
> about the truth.---FS
> >
>
>
Such an intelligent and witty reply!
This why you stole from him????? Because you care about the truth?
The truth is-you are a convicted felon with a large chip on his
shoulder, IF and this is a big IF-you are Fred Seaman.
Come on Fred, steal some of this "proof" and show us. You've had plenty
of practice at nasty theft before.
poop...@my-deja.com
GASP! You mean Yoko could have chosen this date because she, yes it is
true, LOVED John??
Amazing
lstoll
>
> Case in point: Goldman asserted in his scrofulous
> book about John that Yoko and John were using heroin
> as long ago as the summer of 1968... an outright lie.
I don't know whether or not this particular claim is true and I'm by no
means a fan of Goldman's underbelly-only approach, but why are you sure
it's a lie? We know they had gone through withdrawal at least once by
September of 1969 when the song "Cold Turkey" was recorded.
I realize they spent some time (a few days according to Yoko) staying at
Paul's house when you were there. Is it possible that the time during
which you were around to observe them didn't coincide with the time they
were using?
> It matters not at all what people in this newsgroup
> think of Yoko Ono. As a living breathing woman, she
> has and had the same rights of privacy regarding
> her medical records as everyone else.
I agree wholeheartedly. -laura
rrcrumb
poop...@my-deja.com wrote in message <86iiht$4n2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
So you really don't have much of anything new to offer,
only accusations of theft. Some day you might realize that theft or
no theft, Fred's accounts have a certain ring of truth. All the
accusations in the world cannot prevent this.
And that is why many people in this newsgroup consider Fred's posts
to be interesting and valuable.
Tom
>Her stuff/"art"would have been TOTALLY ignored in Japan
>and called mentally deranged and foreign influenced.
Well, this is wrong.
A Pretty Nice Girl
D 28IF wrote:
> >From: "A Pretty Nice Girl"
>
> >Too much information.
> >
> >
>
> Then why on earth repost Fred's ENTIRE post?
D 28IF, I saw this delightful post as I was getting ready to work...typing
medical reports, mostly for emergency departments. No, you probably cannot
begin to imagine what kinds of injuries occur unless you work at a hospital.
At any rate, I pasted FS's entire post because many servers miss posts, the
thread was very short at that time of morn and I felt I should leave the
gory details up for anybody who thought I was being glib. I was not. I
have heard more hard core grit (and seen - but that is another job) and this
physically sickened me because it was about John and Yoko. Sorry, but I was
not being careless nor was I giving Fred free grandstanding time. He can
use an electronic megaphone and I still would not hear what he has to say.
Best,
Debbie
Jamie
> >Here's another clue for you all: Medical professionals do not discuss their
> >patients' treatment. Ever.
> >
>
> Thanks, walrus. ;-) "Ever" is a long time. Unfortunately, money talks. So
> you're not right. If you need proof, just look at the headlines in the
> "National Enquirer" next time you're in the grocery store. They pay for medical
> records all the time. And those bastards are often right on the money.
Medical professionals also do talk sometimes at the request of their wll-known
patients. Witness Michael J. Fox's doctors, David Letterman's, etc. even on down to
the doctors in charge of delivering those sextuplets a few years back.
~Jamie
JSeraf7064
Yes, I did care for JL (still do, in fact...) I also care about the
truth.---FS
>Such an intelligent and witty reply! This why you stole from him????? Because
you care about the truth? The truth is-you are a convicted felon with a large
chip on his shoulder, IF and this is a big IF-you are Fred Seaman.
Uhhh.... if anyone is exhibiting signs of having a 'chip' on their shoulder
it's you.
BTW: What is it in the two sentences Fred wrote in reply do you find
intelligent and/or witty? Perhaps you couldn't think of anything applicable to
say in retort?
-JS
JSeraf7064
No such thing.
-JS
JSeraf7064
Odd thing to say coming from someone who calls himself "poopster" don't you
think?
LOL!!!!
-JS
D 28IF
D 28IF
>Regardless whether Fred's patchwork quilt of a post has any truth to it at
>all, (and I wouldn't waste a minute of my time picking out the parts that are
>easily disputed) it is still the grossest sort of invasion of privacy.
You're not alone in thinking that, re: invasion or privacy, Francie. But tell
me, knowing what the subject was, and after at least the first paragraph, why
did you continue to read Fred's post about Yoko's pregnancies?
>Case in point: Goldman asserted in his scrofulous book about John that Yoko
>and John were using heroin as long ago as the summer of 1968... an outright
>lie. I knew when I read it that, as with Goldman's florid hagiographies of
>Lenny Bruce and Elvis Presley, his lack of journalistic ethics and morbid
>desire to be recognized as an authority on famous dead people, as biography
>his work had no value except as voyeuristic propaganda.
>
I'm sorry, Francie, but just because you spent *some* time with John & Yoko in
the summer of 1968, does not mean you know their every move. They could have
used before or after they stayed with you and Paul.
You've made it sound like their stay at Paul's home was reasonably long,
whereas, any mention of it by Yoko seems to make it appear to be only days.
Jake
>In article <86i0c3$lqg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> poop...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> In article <86gqbp$qdn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> You are so incredibly full of shit.
>>
>> You cared for John, eh?
>>
>> Yeah, right
>> ============
>>
> You're living up to yer Deja Moniker, poopster. But, to answer your
>question: Yes, I did care for JL (still do, in fact...) I also care
>about the truth.---FS
>>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
Those morons go right to my killfile
D 28IF
>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Then why on earth repost Fred's ENTIRE post?
>
>medical reports, mostly for emergency departments. No, you probably cannot
>begin to imagine what kinds of injuries occur unless you work at a hospital.
>At any rate, I pasted FS's entire post because many servers miss posts, the
>thread was very short at that time of morn and I felt I should leave the
>gory details up for anybody who thought I was being glib. I was not. I
>have heard more hard core grit (and seen - but that is another job) and this
>physically sickened me because it was about John and Yoko. Sorry, but I was
>not being careless nor was I giving Fred free grandstanding time. He can
>use an electronic megaphone and I still would not hear what he has to say.
>
>Best,
>
>Debbie
>
Understood. Sorry.
Sassy
carefree and happy lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn. Nother day nother facttoid.
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JSeraf7064
>
Stahey, is this you????
-JS
BH
to read it.
Maxwell Edison
it is so cool that two people who actually knew Beatles (Fred and Francie)
post here. If anything, it makes for interesting reading and I hope you both
keep posting here. By the way, Fred, I read your book and really dug it -
you painted a really human picture of John (I won't mention the last couple
of chapters, tho).
M.E.
freds...@my-deja.com wrote in message <86i4cu$ovi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
freds...@my-deja.com
fatt...@yahoo.com
freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
> This is intended as a follow up to the discussion in another thread
> (...QUESTION FOR FS) re the unusual circumstances surrounding Sean's
> birth. My sources are, for the most part, previously published
materials
> (eg. books by Jerry Hopkins, Jon Weiner, May Pang, Ray Coleman,
Albert
> Goldman et al., as well as published interviews, newspaper & magazine
> articles about J&Y, etc.) I've also had access to various other
> documentary materials that are not in the public domain, including
> unpublished research by Albert Goldman, transcripts of interviews
with
> doctors & nurses, hospital records, etc. Lastly, I'm also relying on
> testimony by former members of J&Y's inner circle, assistants,
friends &
> confidantes (some of these, eg Arlene Reckson, jesse Ed Davis, Marnie
> Hair, have been quoted in books; others have never spoken publicly).
To
> the best of my knowledge everything in the following post is true &
> factually accurate (& should come as no surprise to serious
> Lennonologists...):
>
> In October 1968 JL announced that Yoko was pregnant with his child.
On
> November 7, Yoko had a medical emergency & was rushed to London's
Queen
> Charlotte Hospital. J moved into her room, sleeping on an air
mattress
> laid on the floor & rarely leaving Y's bedside for two weeks. When it
> became apparent that Y would lose the baby, J recorded the final
> heartbeats of the unborn child with a stethoscopic microphone (the
> recording was included on Life With The Lions). On Nov.23 the dead
> foetus was removed from Y. J's extreme concern about Y. & his deep
> distress at the loss of the child was deepened by guilt. As Y years
> later told her assistant, Arlene Reckson, the miscarriage had been
> triggered by a beating she received from J.
>
> By spring 1969 Y. was pregnant again. On Oct.9, the date of J's 29th
> birthday, she suffered a miscarriage after a botched attempt to
induce
> labor. Hemorrhaging badly, Y. was rushed to king's College Hospital,
> where she received an emergency blood transfusion. This was the first
of
> several attempts by Y to give birth on J's birthday. She tried again
the
> following year. On March 29, 1970, the British press announced that Y
> was two months pregnant and expecting a baby in -- you guessed it! --
> October. That summer J&Y were in LA doing Primal Therapy. In August,
Y
> checked herself into Cedars of Lebanon Hospital under the name of
Iris
> Keitel (Allen Klein's assistant) & suffered another miscarriage (her
> third in as many years).
>
> Y. next became pregnant in February, 1975. She told John Green that
the
> child was conceived on February 1 -- the night J (who at the time was
> still living with May Pang) went to the Dakota to be *cured* of his
> addiction to nicotine (see May's book, LOVING JOHN, for further
> details...) However, in a letter J wrote to his cousin, Dr. Leila
> Harvey in summer 1975, he stated that the date of conception was
Feb.7.
>
> On October 8, 1975, Leon Wildes, J's immigration lawyer, called J at
the
> Dakota (J had moved back in with Y in March) to tell him that a
> three-judge panel had just ruled in his favor in the governmment's
> deportation case. J was elated, as the ruling was tantamount to being
> granted permission to become a permamnent resident of the U.S. J then
> revealed his own big news: "I'm going to the hospital!" he
breathlessly
> confided to Wildes. "Yoko is going to be induced tonight!" Later that
> evening, Wildes received a call from Y asking him to come to the
> hospital with his wife so that they could all celebrate the legal
> victory. When Ruth and Leon Wildes arrived at New York Hospital that
> evening, they found Y resting comfortably in a room with a view of
the
> East River (the very same room -- as per Y's request -- that her role
> model, Jackie Kennedy, had occupied when she gave birth to Caroline).
> The lawyer and his wife remained at Y's bedside until midnight,
> discussing the court ruling and celebrating the hard-fought victory.
>
> Soon after midnight, Y began to complain of abdominal cramps & was
> wheeled into the delivery room. Y requested that labor be induced,
but
> the doctors told her & J that because of her history of abortions &
> miscarriages, a natural or induced birth was extremely risky & would
> endanger both her & the baby's life. The head of obstetrics advised
J&Y
> that a Caesaerian section was the best option, but he wanted to wait
&
> do some further tests on Y. before making a final decision. However,
Y
> did not see the need for further tests. She claimed to be in pain &
> wanted to get it over with. She opted for an emergency C-section. J
> agreed & the baby was surgically removed from Y at 2:00 AM on October
9,
> J's 35th birthday.
>
> As soon as the baby had been delivered, it became apparent that there
> had been no medical emergency with the mother. Meanwhile, the newborn
> infant began to exhibit some alarming symptoms, violent shaking &
muscle
> spasms. The baby was taken to intensive care, where the shaking and
> twitching only got worse. Most of the doctors and nurses had never
seen
> anything like it in a newborn baby. At first it was thought that the
> tremors were indicative of neurological damage, and a spinal tap was
> ordered. A long needle was inserted into the baby's spine to extract
a
> sample of its spinal fluid -- an extremely dangerous procedure,
> especially with a small baby, because if the needle is off by just
> millimiters it can lead to permanent paralysis. When an analysis of
> Sean's spinal fluid revealed no abnormalities, the doctors decided to
> take a closer look at Y. One of the doctors who was experienced in
> treating drug addicts realized that Sean's tremors, muscle spasms and
> twitching movements were symptomatic of drug withdrawal. A urine
sample
> was taken from Y, and when it revealed strong traces of heroin, among
> other drugs, the head of obstetrics confronted J&Y and accused them
of
> being drug addicts. "We weren't taking any drugs!" J protested. "We
were
> on a health food diet!" The doctor ignored J's assertion, which was
> contradicted by the medical evidence. He told J&Y that they were
"unfit
> parents" & said that he was obligated to file a report with the child
> welfare authorities.
>
> The baby was kept in intensive care & Y was denied permission to see
> him. Meanwhile, J was frantic with worry, afraid that Sean would be
> taken away from them. After three days, Y was finally allowed to
visit
> Sean in intensive care. J&Y subsequently fled the hospital with baby
> Sean. Years later, Y told Jon Weiner: "John and I actually ran out of
> the hospital carrying the baby. A nurse ran after me saying, 'We need
to
> do one more blood test and we have to cut his toe and take some
blood.'
> John shouted, 'Not another test! Poor kid! Have some pity, please!'
When
> we got home, the baby's spasm was still there. John and I took turns
> staying up at night and rubbed Chinese herbal medicine on Sean every
two
> hours. We prayed. The spasms stopped after several months of this.
> [Sean's tremors lasted well into 1976, according to several sources,
eg.
> guitarist Jesse Ed davis, who took a number of polaroid shots of J&Y
> with the infant four months after Sean's birth, and in every photo he
> was surprised to see that the baby was a *blur*!] Since then Sean has
> been a very healthy boy. John was always afraid to tell this story,
> about the hospital...He was afraid they would come and take Sean away
> from us."
>
> Actually, the story of how J&Y were allegedly insulted, threatened
and
> mistreated at New York Hospital is one that J alluded to often over
the
> years (I myself have heard it from J's lips on more than one
occasion).
> Marnie Hair (the mother of Sean's first *girlfriend*, Caitlin & a
close
> friend & confidant of Y in the late 1970s), remembers a night in the
> winter of 1978 when JL gave the familiar yarn a startling new twist.
> Marnie was sitting with J&Y in the kitchen of their downstairs
> neighbors, the well-known restauranteur Warner LeRoy (owner of
> Tavern-on-the-Green), and his wife, Kay. J was in a jocular mood, and
at
> the point in the story where the head of obstetrics accused J&Y of
being
> drug addicts, J raised his voice in tones of exasperated innocence
and
> cried: "I was absolutely clean!" Then he cast a withering glance at Y
> and asked: "You weren't using, were you, Mother?" Y's mortified
silence
> spoke volumes...
>
> During Y's pregnancy, J had made a supreme effort to avoid drugs. He
> even stopped smoking for the first and only time in his life. He
> demanded the same kind of renunciation of drugs from Y. But lacking
J's
> iron will & discipline, she soon began to sneak *forbidden*
(unhealthy)
> foods & drugs behind J's back. Before long she was smoking up to four
> packs of Kools a day. J wasn't blind. When he began to suspect that Y
> was using heroin behind his back, he kept a close eye on her. During
the
> early months of the pregnancy he followed her around the apartment &
> even followed her into the bathroom. He was driving her crazy with
his
> efforts to protect the unborn child. Yoko finally managed to get rid
of
> J during the summer of 1975, when he went off to stay in a rented
stone
> house in Montauk. It was during this time that Y most likely became
> re-addicted to H, which would explain why there were still strong
traces
> of the drug in her urine in Oct. [Y has claimed in interviews that
that
> her urine merely showed traces of the anesthetic she was given at the
> hospital before the C-section].
>
> All things considered, Sean's birth must be considered
near-miraculous.
> When I first became aware of the fact that father & son shared the
same
> birthday, I naively assumed that it was an amazing coincidence. I
even
> said so to J, whose response startled me: He said that Sean's Oct.9
> birth had been no accident. "Mother's always trying to have babies on
my
> birthday," he told me. At first, I assumed he was kidding. It wasn't
> until I found out that Y firmly subscribed to an ancient occult
belief
> that a child born on its father's birthday will inherit his soul when
> the father dies, that I understood why Y gave birth on Oct.9: Her
goal
> was to bestow JL's genius upon her child.
>
> -FRED SEAMAN
fatt...@yahoo.com
I just discovered this group by accident. I wanted to let you know
that I read your book and I thought it was terrific. Thank you for
exposing Yoko. Can you tell me, did you ever discuss the diaries with
Julian? Did he get to see them? What did he think about them?
You can send me an e mail at fatt...@yahoo.com
who
> freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > This is intended as a follow up to the discussion in another thread
> > (...QUESTION FOR FS) re the unusual circumstances surrounding
Sean's
> > birth.
TO NEWCOMERS (& whoever brought this garbage into rmb 2005):
Fred Seaman does not want to go to jail. The court order of 2002,
which he signed, states that ANY such posts in ANY forum ANY PLACE on
the Internet or in ANY electronic medium, ANY statements Seaman makes
about YOKO ONO or ANY member of the Lennon family would violate the
court order and put him in jail...
He was, and is, a liar, a thief and beneath contempt.
FYI, folks.
Francie Schwartz
NATO
Sorry but that order was overturned by a higher court as unconstitional.
> He was, and is, a liar, a thief and beneath contempt.
> FYI, folks.
>
> Francie Schwartz
One must wallow with the swine to smell as bad.
who
> >
> >
> > TO NEWCOMERS (& whoever brought this garbage into rmb 2005):
> >
> > Fred Seaman does not want to go to jail. The court order of 2002,
> > which he signed, states that ANY such posts in ANY forum ANY PLACE
on
> > the Internet or in ANY electronic medium, ANY statements Seaman
makes
> > about YOKO ONO or ANY member of the Lennon family would violate the
> > court order and put him in jail...
> >
> >
>
> Sorry but that order was overturned by a higher court as
unconstitional.
>
Liar, troll and a shitty speller to boot. LOFL, asswipe....
unconstitutional. You've been drinking again, haven'tcha. Too bad.
But don't get all spooked about it.
Franny (& Zooey & Sally Ride et al)
8^(
Jane Asher's Vagina
> TO NEWCOMERS (& whoever brought this garbage into rmb 2005):
>
> Fred Seaman does not want to go to jail. The court order of 2002,
> which he signed, states that ANY such posts in ANY forum ANY PLACE on
> the Internet or in ANY electronic medium, ANY statements Seaman makes
> about YOKO ONO or ANY member of the Lennon family would violate the
> court order and put him in jail...
Ms. FranciePants,
'Tis true that said Seaman is a felon whether righteously convicted or done
harm by harm's way. There is, however, considerable dissertation, mounting
evidentiary, that spells, and dispels the man equally.
Consider Ms. May Pang's allusions/delusions for quick examination . Others
have felt Sir Seaman may have been less than fairly adjudicated.
As one "who" who should claim to have experienced the Defendant's side per
one G. Gordon Liddy.
It, then, I humbly submit, that truth has not, nor possibly never shall, be
borne.
My suggestion, to NEWCOMERS, is that to listen to you, with salt grained,
source spoiled, and either form their own thoughts or cast aside the case
in entirety.
There be no determinations here even as you are determined to force one
upon those who not know "who."
> He was, and is, a liar, a thief and beneath contempt.
Accusations, proof even if so, makes nothing this vagina has put forth of
lessened value.
> FYI, folks.
>
> Francie Schwartz "who"
uhduhbee uhduhbee uhduhbee, that's all folks.
jamb...@hotmail.com
Hasn't 99% of this already been published - verbatim - in Goldman's
book, with the remaining 1% appearing in your own book?
You state in a later post that "I also care about the truth". As
admirable as that sounds, what value is there in drawing the attention
of the world's Lennon fans' to this particular "truth"?
It surely gives your ego a *warm feeling* when you declare publicly
that you're a purveyor of "truth". It makes you look *real* nice and
holy. But isn't that warmth negated when you *simultaneously* purvey
sensational negativity?
OK, yourself and Yoko don't like each other......fine. You've decided
that she'll always be your enemy......fine. But what value is there in
playing out that enmity at RMB? Will it make you feel better if you
succeed in convincing *everyone else* that Yoko is "the enemy"?
If so, ask yourself this: "In the matter of ME-vs-YOKO, *why* do I need
all the anonymous members of some newsgroup to be on *my side*?".
I'd be interested to know the answer you reach.
All the best,
Jason
Kevin Lee
Too bad he's unable to elaborate further.
For the most part though I am tired of third rate bit players in Beatle
History trying to increase the importance of their 15 minutes of fame 30 +
years ago. At least Freds book, well damning of Yoke, seemed to have an
affectionate view of John, Sean and Julian.
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Marek Girsch
and a Rotted Out Liver