"Weeping Atlas Cedars"????
Z
refers to??
Gerrry
Diana
>sure) refers to??
Atlas cedars are huge, gorgeous conifers native to North Africa. Blue Atlas
Cedars are what George called Weeping Atlas Cedars. The branches do sort of
droop. They're considered exotic.
I can only assume that George has some in Friar Park, and that he used them in
the lyric of Beware of Darkness for the imagery. Captivating, no? :-)
Here's a website with information and a photo that can be enlarged:
http://www.treehelp.com/trees/cedar/cedrus-atlantica.asp
~~~~~~~~~
"When you are sorrowful look again in your heart,
and you shall see that in truth you are weeping
for that which has been your delight." --Kahlil Gibran
BT
photo session together.
IBen Getiner
> anyone know what they are, or what this line (you know where from I'm sure)
> refers to??
>
> Gerrry
It don't mean a thing. It just sounded kool, that's all.
Why does every word that the boys ever said have to 'mean' something
to people like you, anyway?
IBen G.
Studebak R Toch
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Why not?
BT
that the boys ever said have to 'mean' something to people like you, anyway?
Is it true what they say about people like *you*?
Are you really blissful?
nobody
You wouldn't know blissful if it mailbombed you, asshole.
Mike Back2
>refers to??
They're trees. They're not "Atlas Cedars" that are crying. The full name of
the tree is "Weeping Atlas Cedar." They just want to grow. Unfortunately, I
have no idea what the line means. Sounds good, though.
Z
> It don't mean a thing. It just sounded kool, that's all.
> Why does every word that the boys ever said have to 'mean' something
> to people like you, anyway?
>
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> IBen G.
People like me??? I didn't realise an innocent question was so revealing
about me - damn!
Diana
>in their last photo session together.
Cool. I didn't know that. You've given me a good excuse to dig out the photo
books.
BT
word that the boys ever said have to 'mean' something to people like you,
anyway?
>> Is it true what they say about people like *you*?
>> Are you really blissful?
>You wouldn't know blissful if it mailbombed you, asshole.
If a cedar fell on you would you still think it isn't real?
Diana
>Why does every word that the boys ever said have to 'mean'
>something to people like you, anyway?
Agreed that it sounds cool.
Not agreed that this particular lyric is meant to be taken at face value. Take
a look at a Blue Atlas Cedar and tell me it's not a vibrant metaphor for for
this dark song that warns us to beware of darkness, sadness, greedy leaders.
All this, while Weeping Atlas Cedars want only to grow. Reminds me of what
Jesus said: "Consider the lilies, how they *grow*: they neither toil nor
spin." They just ARE.
Much food for thought here.
IBen Getiner
"It's nice when people like [our music], but when they start
'appreciating' it, getting great deep things out of it, making a thing
of it, then it's a lot of shit. It proves what we always thought about
most sorts of so-called art. It's all a lot of shit. We hated all the
shit they wrote about Beethoven and ballet, all kidding themselves
that it was important. Now it's happening to us. None of it is
important. It just takes a few people to get going, and they con
themselves into thinking it's important. It all becomes a big con.
"We're a con as well. We know we're conning them, because we know
people want to be conned. They give us the freedom to con them. Let's
stick that in there, we say, that'll start them puzzling. I'm sure all
artist do it, when they realize it's a con. I bet Picasso sticks
things in. I'll bet he's been laughing his balls off for the last
eight years".
John Lennon. 1968 (source: The Beatles-- The Authorized Biography--
page 284, Chapter: The Beatles and their Music--) by Hunter Davis.
Sorry to pop your bubble there, Cheech (or is it Chong?).
IBen G.
IBen Getiner
Cut them all down. Turn them into pencils.
paramucho
It's a fairly common comparison: between the trials and woes of the
mind and the permanence of nature. George has similar ideas in
"Within You (mind), Without You (nature)" and elsewhere I guess.
Mister Charlie
George especially was writing messages for people to think about and
dwell upon:
Art of Dying. All Things Must Pass. Run of the Mill. Living In a
Material World.
Sue Me Sue You Blues. What Is Life. Apple Scruffs. My Sweet Lord.
All real songs about real things he wanted people to ruminate on.
He also wrote other songs that were more nonsensical, no message, just
nice sounds. Let It Roll. Miss O Dell. etc. etc.
Your blanket declaration is meaningless as it only describes a part of
what they were about. When in their careers we're talking about is also
counted.
'Weeping Atlas Cedars, they just want to grow'. Even in their grief
they still just want to be left alone to flourish.
Not all that hard.
IBen Getiner
"And so dear friends who just HAVE TO carry on... The dream is OVER."
Mister Charlie
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YOU'LL just have to carry on.
Geez.
Miguel Puertas
sure)
> refers to??
They're trees! See:
http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/Blue_Atlas_Cedar.asp
IBen Getiner
No, Chaz. I leave that TOTALLY to you and your warped ilk. You just
can't face the facts. Admit it. The 60's are OVER. (thank God)
IBen G.
jweber
"IBen Getiner" <Lapp...@aol.com> wrote
> No, Chaz. I leave that TOTALLY to you and your warped ilk. You just
> can't face the facts. Admit it. The 60's are OVER. (thank God)
Yeah, the 60's sucked.
Thank God we have talented people like Christina Aguilera to carry the torch
for the new millemium.
*cough*
From Me To You
They're trees! See:
http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/Blue_Atlas_Cedar.asp
And they exude a resin (weeping) that smells heavenly!
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> > > "And so dear friends who just HAVE TO carry on... The dream is
OVER."
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> > YOU'LL just have to carry on.
> >
> > Geez.
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> No, Chaz. I leave that TOTALLY to you and your warped ilk. You just
> can't face the facts. Admit it. The 60's are OVER. (thank God)
>
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Stephen X. Carter
years, and FOUR months!
Hang around a bit and in late 2024 I'll tell you what a "Weeping Atlas
Cedar" is!
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Nil
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George Harrison or his song.
rudihenning...@yahoo.co.jp
> refers to??
>
> Gerrry
And the "Cedars" on the other Hand might semantically correlate with the "greedy leaders" in the previous verse. These pretend to have emotions such as sorrow ("weeping") but actually they only are interested in their own profit.
Have a nice day, Rudi
rwalker
rudihenning...@yahoo.co.jp wrote:
>2004?4?15???? 4?54?07? UTC+9 Z:
Friar Park:
http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/714/weeping-blue-atlas-cedar/
obser...@gmail.com
> >anyone know what they are, or what this line (you know where from I'm
> >sure) refers to??
>
> Cedars are what George called Weeping Atlas Cedars. The branches do sort of
> droop. They're considered exotic.
>
> I can only assume that George has some in Friar Park, and that he used them in
> the lyric of Beware of Darkness for the imagery. Captivating, no? :-)
>
> Here's a website with information and a photo that can be enlarged:
>
> http://www.treehelp.com/trees/cedar/cedrus-atlantica.asp
> ~~~~~~~~~
> "When you are sorrowful look again in your heart,
> and you shall see that in truth you are weeping
> for that which has been your delight." --Kahlil Gibran
BeatleEd
>> Here's a website with information and a photo that can be enlarged:
>>
>> http://www.treehelp.com/trees/cedar/cedrus-atlantica.asp
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~
>> "When you are sorrowful look again in your heart,
>> and you shall see that in truth you are weeping
>> for that which has been your delight." --Kahlil Gibran
>
> He was referring to Lebanon
>
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Without God we are lost and hopeless, bankrupt in a fallen world. God Bless you George and thanks for ALL the divine inspiration...See you on the other side. Shalom, Namaste' Peace and Joy!
jcsma...@gmail.com
> anyone know what they are, or what this line (you know where from I'm sure)
> refers to??
>
The internet often gets lyrics wrong. If you listen closely to the lyrics on the original you will hear that the lyric is actually "Weeping at the cedars". Cedars refers to the wood that the cross was made of and the lyric suggests hypocrites weeping at the cross, yet still being greedy and lustful of power. "They just want to grow and grow.
Nil
> The internet often gets lyrics wrong. If you listen closely to the
> lyrics on the original you will hear that the lyric is actually
> "Weeping at the cedars". Cedars refers to the wood that the cross
> was made of and the lyric suggests hypocrites weeping at the
> cross, yet still being greedy and lustful of power. "They just
> want to grow and grow.
either way, as "Atlas" or "at the", but the lyric sheet included in the
original album say "Atlas". I trust the lyric sheet and I like that
turn of phrase better anyway.
Weeping Atlas Cedar is a variety of tree and doesn't conflict with your
interpretation of the lyric.
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Beware of greedy leaders
They take you where you should not go
While Weeping Atlas Cedars
They just want to grow, grow and grow
Beware of Darkness
~George Harrison~
I think the greedy leaders is self explanatory. Weeping Atlas Cedars are sturdy trees, but must be guided to grow straight, and they cannot thrive in darkness. Does that not sound like a simile of big government and the people of our Nation? Especially since in the mid to later years many of their songs were based upon or commentaries of the political atmosphere and actions?
Marcus
mountain high
I also want to comment on the fellow who says that these lyrics don't have to mean anything. And he quotes John Lennon in the process. Likely this was early in John's evolution, being tired of constant press questions on lyric meaning. Like many artists questioned about what their output means. Yes, you can enjoy lyrics, songs, poems, paintings, etc. without understanding or interpreting it.
On the other hand -- you knew this was coming -- making an attempt to understand lyrics reaches into our own hearts and souls, and helps us understand the artist, who may not be consciously aware of the meaning of what he/she has made. Given our current understanding of brain neuroscience, intuition and other unconscious processes achieve results faster often than cognitive frontal lobe processes. The artist often/sometimes does not know why a phrase or a color, etc. is right in the work of art, it feels right because of brain processes beyond frontal lobe. Remember that humans lived like other species in the animal kingdom, and had to survive not solely by strength, speed, etc. but by unconscious processes.
But the unconscious alone cannot achieve desired results. Think of a general who selects the strongest humans, gives them weapons, and says "go fight." That army would be no match for one under a general like James "Mad Dog" Mattis, who has studied military history thoroughly, seen what works better, and trains his humans to use the weapons most effectively. Or to turn back to art, the reason directors like Scorsese and Spielberg make so many great films is not just intuition, but extensive studies of past films and filmmakers like Hitchcock, David Lean, etc.
You can enjoy a song without understanding the lyrics -- heck, lots of songs, I cannot hear the lyrics clearly at all, and still enjoy them. But "Beware of Darkness" is not a bit of pop puffery like some of McCartney's songs, anyone can hear by the seriousness of GH's lyrics and the music itself that this was a song meant to be understood -- there was a message there, and yes, without a lot of conscious thought I understood it as a young man, but thinking about the lyrics further, and thanks to the internet, able to get information so easily and quickly, understand what "weeping atlas cedars" means, creates that harmony between the conscious frontal lobe processes and the intuitive processes in other parts of the brain that is one of the joyous achievements of art.
And yes, each interpretation of a song's lyrics can get at the artist's unconscious thoughts, and to the interpreter's own unconscious thoughts. "Says something about you" is alright! Since you and me and everyone are all one, our own understanding can contribute to everyone's understanding.
So glad to reconnect with this song. I recently reconnected with "Things We Said Today," a Beatles song with a complexity that coaxes one to go make that conscious/unconscious brain harmony I mentioned earlier.
In closing, I want to thank "Z" (Gerry) for asking this question on this forum, to Marcus for bringing up the Chuck Lorre end credit card (an allusion to Trump for sure) (see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/big-bang-theory-trump-warning_us_5881a522e4b0e3a7356850c4), to GH for his artistry and soulfulness, and to everyone else on this forum seeking a better understanding of our world and ourselves. I know this sounds so serious, but this kind of thing makes me happy. Just ignore it if it does not make you happy.
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> anyone know what they are, or what this line (you know where from I'm sure)
> refers to??
>
> Gerrry
That's a cool metaphor.
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Nil
thought, but I still think you're reading far, far more into it than
George ever intended.
Dresden Houndiearfums
has been in direct communication with all the Beatles. They have shared
their innermost thoughts with him due to his high status with Jesus who
is related to Ringo and John. And only Nil is uniquely qualified to
interpret Beatle lyrics because of his vast Beatle knowledge that none
of us could possibly comprehend.
ksul...@gmail.com
> > > I think the greedy leaders is self explanatory. Weeping Atlas Cedars are sturdy trees, but must be guided to grow straight, and they cannot thrive in darkness. Does that not sound like a simile of big government and the people of our Nation? Especially since in the mid to later years many of their songs were based upon or commentaries of the political atmosphere and actions?
Thanks to Mountain High for this nice explanation that rings with truth to me.
