Strokin' Yoko....
Martin Hofner
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=20acf851-9794-467c-b30c-c4a28e63e024
Francie
Martin Hofner wrote:
>
> Talk about lack of history and perspective.....
>
Whose? Yours? Or Deborah Cheifetz-Pira's?
Or maybe you've got your knickers in a twist
because Mr. Joly actually knows what he's
talking about?
Have at it?
Methinks you need to "have at" yourself instead
of lobbing these obvious lures for Yoko-bashing
dunderheads onto the ng. Give yourself some
pleasure for a change.
I wonder what kind of meditation you'll be doing
tomorrow in John's memory.
Frannie
f_pa...@yahoo.com
Martin Hofner wrote:
> Have at it folks. Talk about lack of history and perspective.....
>
>
> http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=20acf851-9794-467c-b30c-c4a28e63e024
OMFG! Yoko fans are just like Trekkies. Except ST was actually good.
fatt...@yahoo.com
However, the bit about Yoko meeting John being the worst thing that
could happen to her career was sickening. First, John was her biggest
fan and promoter. Second, if it weren't for John, his devotion, his
fame and his money, Yoko, at best, would still be wrapping statutes,
having people cut her clothes off, and putting apples on display.
However, it is unlikely she would be earning much of a living and I
doubt she would have ever had the chance to record one album, much less
record over a dozen. Few people would know her name or care.
It is nice to know the Yoke has one devoted fan. In Canada.
McFeeley
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have to agree.
Runnnerr
I disagree. Even the most devoted followers of the Yoke would have
grown tired of the bullshit that she passes as art many, many years
ago. Not even any of them would want to cut the clothes off of a 72
year old woman. Ick!
No, she probably would have found her true talent and calling life
sometime around 1971 and that would be as the bathroom attendant at
some sushi bar.
Francie
Runnnerr wrote:
> > However, it is unlikely she would be earning much of a living and I
> > doubt she would have ever had the chance to record one album, much less
> > record over a dozen. Few people would know her name or care.
> >
Ah, another ignorant rant on a subject Fatt knows *nothing* about...
>
> I disagree. Even the most devoted followers of the Yoke would have
> grown tired of the bullshit that she passes as art many, many years
> ago.
>
FYI, the Whitney Museum (just for one example) are not fans of John
Lennon and they did not take his fame talent or money into
consideration when they named Yoko one of America's greatest living
artists (1999) as part of their American Century show.
Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
John's name became a household word, and her body of work - independent
of the "peace" themed works she has installed all over the world - is
recognized by lovers of modern art... so you are simply showing your
utter ignorance of art history *in addition* to your sexist, ageist
attitudes with an extremely stupid post.
Francie
ASIDE TO "McFeeley": I don't attack everybody. But I do attack idiotic
statements. FatAss deserves much worse than I have time to dish out.
f_pa...@yahoo.com
Francie wrote:
> Runnnerr wrote:
> > > However, it is unlikely she would be earning much of a living and I
> > > doubt she would have ever had the chance to record one album, much less
> > > record over a dozen. Few people would know her name or care.
> > >
>
> Ah, another ignorant rant on a subject Fatt knows *nothing* about...
>
>
> >
> > I disagree. Even the most devoted followers of the Yoke would have
> > grown tired of the bullshit that she passes as art many, many years
> > ago.
> >
>
> FYI, the Whitney Museum (just for one example) are not fans of John
> Lennon and they did not take his fame talent or money into
> consideration when they named Yoko one of America's greatest living
> artists (1999) as part of their American Century show.
How many museums displayed Yoko's "art" before she got involved with
Lennon?
> Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
> John's name became a household word, and her body of work - independent
> of the "peace" themed works she has installed all over the world - is
> recognized by lovers of modern art...
My next door neighbor loves modern art and he says he has never heard
of anything by Yoko. What are some of her most "recognized" pieces?
McFeeley
"Francie" <some...@nycmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133998739.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Ya gotta agree you have a pretty caustic manner about ya.
But I do attack idiotic
> statements. FatAss deserves much worse than I have time to dish out.
heh...Agreed.
>
Runnnerr
You wouldn't happen to be really be Elliot Mintz, would you?
You're so full of shit. How many times did the Whitney or any other
mainstream museum or gallery award the Yoke anything or exhibit any of
her shit before she became Mrs. Lennon?
Yoko may have been a big part of New York's avant-garde scene before
she met John, but that's the same thing as being a small fish in a
puddle. No one cared or does care about avante gard crap except the
talentless losers who were and are a part of it.
Had she not leeched onto John, no one would know the name of the Yoke
today.
To paraphrase the great George Harrison: Avant-garde is French for
avant garde any talent. It's phrase that suits the Yoke to a "T".
Runnnerr
Francie
Runnnerr wrote:
>
> You're so full of shit.
>
Pretty lame response, even for a troll like you.
Lock and Load,
Happy Pearl Harbor Day
& Remember
Love
Francie
R.A.G. Seely
news:1133975697.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
I'm not sure where you're coming from here, my friend: although one
might wonder at a fan's obsession, we're hardly free of that sin
here! The guy really knows his Yoko, and from that perspective, he
might well see "Yoko and John" as the natural order of things, rather
than "John and Yoko". His page isn't too incredibly bad either -
I've seen worse Beatles pages. (And better too - a larger range is
to be expected when you compare Beatles pages to Yoko pages, I
guess.)
But I don't think Yoko knows Canada all that well ...
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Runnnerr
You're so full of shit. How many awards did the Yoke win before she
became Mrs. Lennon? How many mainstream galleries and exhibitors would
have anything to do with that crap that you and her call art before she
became Mrs. Lennon?
The Yoke may have been a part of New York's avant-garde scene for many
years before she leeched herself onto John, but who, besides the
talentless losers were and are a part of that scene themselves gave a
shit about any of it?
To paraphrase the great George Harrison: Avante-garde is French for
avent garde any talent.
Francie
f_pa...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> How many museums displayed Yoko's "art" before she got involved with
> Lennon?
>
Before 1968, she had shown her work in dozens of art galleries: I don't
doubt that she was included in museum exhibitions focusing on the
Fluxus Group as well as European museums during her "pre-John days".
Very few artists make it into museum shows before they turn 40; her
museum debut was probably also delayed by the fact she is a woman. I
could look it up in "YES" which has a really complete listing of all
her shows, but I doubt that I could convince you!
> > Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
> > John's name became a household word, and her body of work - independent
> > of the "peace" themed works she has installed all over the world - is
> > recognized by lovers of modern art...
>
> My next door neighbor loves modern art and he says he has never heard
> of anything by Yoko. What are some of her most "recognized" pieces?
>
Your next door neighbor may "love" modern art, but there's a difference
between "loving" anything that was created after Picasso, Braque and
Gaugin shook the world's definition of "modern", and knowing the
meaning of the term. Yoko has never bragged about her accomplishments
as an artist; could be that loving John (& his naming her "the world's
greatest unknown artist") was more important to her.
You need to read the article linked to the OP in this thread. It names
quite a few of her better known works.
Frannie
Runnnerr
You wouldn't happen to be really be Elliot Mintz, would you?
Runnnerr
You wouldn't happen to be really be Elliot Mintz, would you?
Runnnerr
You wouldn't happen to be really be Elliot Mintz, would you?
Francie
>
> How many museums displayed Yoko's "art" before she got involved with
> Lennon?
>
Before 1968, she showed in dozens of art galleries (it's rare, esp. for
a woman, to be in museum shows before the age of 40) in NY, Europe and
I think, in Japan. I could look it up in "YES" which has an complete
listing of all her exhibits, but I doubt that would convince you!
> > Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
> > John's name became a household word, and her body of work - independent
> > of the "peace" themed works she has installed all over the world - is
> > recognized by lovers of modern art...
>
> My next door neighbor loves modern art and he says he has never heard
> of anything by Yoko.
>
There's a difference between "loving" modern art (especially if you
consider that the word "modern" got a whole new meaning when Picasso,
Braque and Gaugin burst onto the scene - more than 90 yrs ago) and
knowing about it. I'm not dissing your neghbor, but you put up a vague
statement to support your own theory (that Yoko was a nothing nobody
who "made it" on her husband's reputation and celebrity).
Yoko has never bragged (although she has certainly earned bragging
rights) about her accomplishments as an artist. I suppose that loving
John (& his naming her "world's greatest unknown artist") was and is
more important to her than accolades from the snooty little coven that
"runs" art criticism. This ng isn't the place to discuss art history!
>
> What are some of her most "recognized" pieces?
>
You need to read the article linked to the OP. Several of her most
"recognized" pieces are described in it.
Francie
Francie
>
> How many museums displayed Yoko's "art" before she got involved with
> Lennon?
>
Before 1968, she showed in dozens of art galleries (it's rare, esp. for
a woman, to be in museum shows before the age of 40) in NY, Europe and
I think, in Japan. I could look it up in "YES" which has an complete
listing of all her exhibits, but I doubt that would convince you!
> > Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
> > John's name became a household word, and her body of work - independent
> > of the "peace" themed works she has installed all over the world - is
> > recognized by lovers of modern art...
>
> My next door neighbor loves modern art and he says he has never heard
> of anything by Yoko.
>
There's a difference between "loving" modern art (especially if you
consider that the word "modern" got a whole new meaning when Picasso,
Braque and Gaugin burst onto the scene - more than 90 yrs ago) and
knowing about it. I'm not dissing your neghbor, but you put up a vague
statement to support your own theory (that Yoko was a nothing nobody
who "made it" on her husband's reputation and celebrity).
Yoko has never bragged (although she has certainly earned bragging
rights) about her accomplishments as an artist. I suppose that loving
John (& his naming her "world's greatest unknown artist") was and is
more important to her than accolades from the snooty little coven that
"runs" art criticism. This ng isn't the place to discuss art history!
>
> What are some of her most "recognized" pieces?
>
You need to read the article linked to the OP. Several of her most
f_pa...@yahoo.com
Francie wrote:
> f_pa...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> > How many museums displayed Yoko's "art" before she got involved with
> > Lennon?
> >
>
> Before 1968, she had shown her work in dozens of art galleries: I don't
> doubt that she was included in museum exhibitions focusing on the
> Fluxus Group as well as European museums during her "pre-John days".
You "don't doubt" that Ono was featured in museum exhibitions before
her involvement with Lennon but you can't name a single one? LOL!
BTW, is it true that "fluxus" refers to a bowel movement?
> Very few artists make it into museum shows before they turn 40;
Must be reverse-ageism.
I frankly don't believe that Yoko's an artist. She calls herself one,
and she has enough contempt for people to expect them to go along with
(and even promote) her pretenses. But she's never created anything
artistic in her life. And I'm sorry, but sitting onstage while her son
Sean removes her clothes, while certainly freakish, does not qualify as
art.
Francie
>
> How many museums displayed Yoko's "art" before she got involved with
> Lennon?
>
Before 1968, she showed in dozens of art galleries (it's rare, esp. for
a woman, to be in museum shows before the age of 40) in NY, Europe and
I think, in Japan. I could look it up in "YES" which has an complete
listing of all her exhibits, but I doubt that would convince you!
> > Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
> > John's name became a household word, and her body of work - independent
> > of the "peace" themed works she has installed all over the world - is
> > recognized by lovers of modern art...
>
> My next door neighbor loves modern art and he says he has never heard
> of anything by Yoko.
>
There's a difference between "loving" modern art (especially if you
consider that the word "modern" got a whole new meaning when Picasso,
Braque and Gaugin burst onto the scene - more than 90 yrs ago) and
knowing about it. I'm not dissing your neghbor, but you put up a vague
statement to support your own theory (that Yoko was a nothing nobody
who "made it" on her husband's reputation and celebrity).
Yoko has never bragged (although she has certainly earned bragging
rights) about her accomplishments as an artist. I suppose that loving
John (& his naming her "world's greatest unknown artist") was and is
more important to her than accolades from the snooty little coven that
"runs" art criticism. This ng isn't the place to discuss art history!
>
> What are some of her most "recognized" pieces?
>
You need to read the article linked to the OP. Several of her most
"recognized" pieces are described in it.
Francie
Sorry if this posts twice. All of a sudden I'm getting that good ol
google server error...
thursday@9
also don't buy into the idea that John ruined what might have been a
very promising career for Yoko as an artist. Yoko seemed very content
to be by John's side in the Dakota instead of being the Greenwich
Village artist. She shows no remorse for being the person she is today.
Over the years I have come to enjoy a lot of Yoko's art pieces as well
as some of her music.
The thing is, the people who dislike, or rather, hate Yoko and her work
or for just being Yoko will more than likely never give her a break.
There's really no point in trying to fit avant garde shapes into
calibrated compartments. People either get it or they don't get it.
f_pa...@yahoo.com
R.A.G. Seely wrote:
> "Martin Hofner" <yearo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1133975697.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Have at it folks. Talk about lack of history and
> > perspective.....
> >
> > http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=20a
> > cf851-9794-467c-b30c-c4a28e63e024
>
> I'm not sure where you're coming from here, my friend: although one
> might wonder at a fan's obsession, we're hardly free of that sin
> here! The guy really knows his Yoko,
Does he know his Yoko, or is he just parroting her press releases? The
article states repeatedly that this guy "loves" Yoko (even more than
Lennon did), but then we learn that the fellow met Yoko only once. For
about a minute.
The Star Trek convention attendees have nothing on this guy.
Manco
> Have at it folks. Talk about lack of history and perspective.....
>
>
> http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=20acf851-9794-467c-b30c-c4a28e63e024
ewwww, the header title
abe slaney
I was with you up to here.
> People either get it or they don't get it.
Now you lost me.
There are as many views of art as there are people, and not all negative
opinions are the result of ignorance.
JohnB
A lot of "modern artists" cop for a lot of indignant criticism. Check
out what's been said about Damien Hirst or Tracey Ermin. Yoko herself
caused controversy with a recent Liverpool "exhibition" featuring
pictures of female breasts displayed on public buildings. I'm not
saying whether this art has value or not (though I can enjoy the
debates) - and I'm sure Yoko's art would not have had such a high
profile had it not been for her marriage to John, but that doesn't mean
she'd have had *no* profile. She may have been a fish in a small pond
but how big a fish we'll never know. As much as John's name helped
Yoko's name be known, I think it will also have been an enormous
distraction to her creativity.
fatt...@yahoo.com
"Yoko was an integral part of NYC's avant garde art scene years before
John's name became a household word, . . . . etc."
Well, I suppose we could say that a street musician who played for
coins on the subway was part of the underground music scene in NY.
There are many such musicians and artists.
I am not saying this to take away from their talents. Some are very
talented and some have no talent at all. Similarly, I cannot deny that
The Yoke was creative and determined before she met John. However, she
was also borderline starving and had little recognition or critical
acclaim. If it weren't for John, she she would have been lucky if she
could have afforded to live in an apartment in Manhattan.
The Yoke has said herself that if she never met John, she would not be
living in her fancy digs in the Dakota, but instead would be in a small
apartment in Greenwich Village. Her fame and personal wealth is
because of her marriage to JOhn--period.
And I doubt anyone would have ever given the Yoke a recording contract
if it weren't for John.
fatt...@yahoo.com
"Before 1968, she had her work shown in dozens of art galleries . . .
."
I don't think that is true at all. Name them. What galleries? What
works of art?
By the way, I created a painting when I was about 13 or 14 and it was
proudly displayed in the Brooklyn Museum. Big deal.
Francie
JohnB wrote:
>
> A lot of "modern artists" cop for a lot of indignant criticism. Check
> out what's been said about Damien Hirst or Tracey Ermin. Yoko herself
> caused controversy with a recent Liverpool "exhibition" featuring
> pictures of female breasts displayed on public buildings.
>
That sounds like a fun piece! Know of a link to a decent photo?
> I'm not
> saying whether this art has value or not (though I can enjoy the
> debates) - and I'm sure Yoko's art would not have had such a high
> profile had it not been for her marriage to John, but that doesn't mean
> she'd have had *no* profile. She may have been a fish in a small pond
> but how big a fish we'll never know. As much as John's name helped
> Yoko's name be known, I think it will also have been an enormous
> distraction to her creativity.
>
What's a nice guy like you doing in a place like this?
Francie
JohnB
Francie wrote:
> JohnB wrote:
> >
> > A lot of "modern artists" cop for a lot of indignant criticism. Check
> > out what's been said about Damien Hirst or Tracey Ermin. Yoko herself
> > caused controversy with a recent Liverpool "exhibition" featuring
> > pictures of female breasts displayed on public buildings.
> >
>
> That sounds like a fun piece! Know of a link to a decent photo?
>
I tried Google images searching for "Yoko Liverpool" and this is the
first result: www.beatles.kielce.com.pl
>
> > I'm not
> > saying whether this art has value or not (though I can enjoy the
> > debates) - and I'm sure Yoko's art would not have had such a high
> > profile had it not been for her marriage to John, but that doesn't mean
> > she'd have had *no* profile. She may have been a fish in a small pond
> > but how big a fish we'll never know. As much as John's name helped
> > Yoko's name be known, I think it will also have been an enormous
> > distraction to her creativity.
> >
>
> What's a nice guy like you doing in a place like this?
>
"Nice"? Some might disagree ...
I'm enjoying the discussion by those who have something to offer - and
trying not to get too annoyed at those who just throw obscenities
around. I can't offer inside info on the people - but I did live in
Liverpool in the 60s and again in the 90s and I'm still only 20 miles
or so away and visit the city regularly. And the Beatles changed my
life. I may not have had the drive to become a musician without them.
And when you're allowed to tell your stories and give your insights
(whether or not I agree), I'm interested in what you have to say to.
> Francie
That's what I enjoy about this. You are who you are and in California
(so I believe) and I am in Cheshire and everyone else is wherever they
are - and we can discuss something that's important to us. Long may it
continue.
John
Francie
JohnB wrote:
>
> I tried Google images searching for "Yoko Liverpool" and this is the
> first result: www.beatles.kielce.com.pl
>
Hmm. Tried the link. Looks like a Polish Beatlesongs page!
>
> "Nice"? Some might disagree ...
> I'm enjoying the discussion by those who have something to offer - and
> trying not to get too annoyed at those who just throw obscenities
> around. I can't offer inside info on the people - but I did live in
> Liverpool in the 60s and again in the 90s and I'm still only 20 miles
> or so away and visit the city regularly. And the Beatles changed my
> life. I may not have had the drive to become a musician without them.
> And when you're allowed to tell your stories and give your insights
> (whether or not I agree), I'm interested in what you have to say to.
>
Thank you.
>
> That's what I enjoy about this. You are who you are and in California
> (so I believe) and I am in Cheshire and everyone else is wherever they
> are - and we can discuss something that's important to us. Long may it
> continue.
>
> John
>
This is a pattern. Every time I despair of exchanging ideas and
'surrender' this ng to eternal trolldom, someone pops up with a
slender thread of hope. Then, the moment passes...
Did you study art history, or are you just "interested" enough to have
frequented museums and galleries?
Francie
JohnB
Francie wrote:
> JohnB wrote:
> >
> > I tried Google images searching for "Yoko Liverpool" and this is the
> > first result: www.beatles.kielce.com.pl
> >
>
> Hmm. Tried the link. Looks like a Polish Beatlesongs page!
>
As I'm at work and have *very* restricted web access, I can't offer
more than that just now, I'm afraid! However, I'm sure Google will
find you something to look at! I think it was something to do with "A
Homage To Motherhood".
> >
> > "Nice"? Some might disagree ...
> > I'm enjoying the discussion by those who have something to offer - and
> > trying not to get too annoyed at those who just throw obscenities
> > around. I can't offer inside info on the people - but I did live in
> > Liverpool in the 60s and again in the 90s and I'm still only 20 miles
> > or so away and visit the city regularly. And the Beatles changed my
> > life. I may not have had the drive to become a musician without them.
> > And when you're allowed to tell your stories and give your insights
> > (whether or not I agree), I'm interested in what you have to say to.
> >
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> >
> > That's what I enjoy about this. You are who you are and in California
> > (so I believe) and I am in Cheshire and everyone else is wherever they
> > are - and we can discuss something that's important to us. Long may it
> > continue.
> >
> > John
> >
>
> This is a pattern. Every time I despair of exchanging ideas and
> 'surrender' this ng to eternal trolldom, someone pops up with a
> slender thread of hope. Then, the moment passes...
>
> Did you study art history, or are you just "interested" enough to have
> frequented museums and galleries?
>
> Francie
Never studied anything particularly interesting, I'm afraid, but I do
have an interest in art, and my wife and I have both exhibited in
amateur exhibitions in Liverpool. However, *she* is the real artist
and has the real knowledge of art history - it was her second subject
while studying to be a teacher. She, by the way, is a Scouser through
and through and spent most of her life only a stone's throw from
Forthlin Road, while I went to high school at the southern end of
Menlove Avenue. I also lived for two years just off Penny Lane. I
know these places - and I know the Beatles music and their public
personalities.
When John died I was numb all day. When George died I cried. Paul is
the only one I've actually seen 'live' - and that was in Manchester
when I was a student - long while back. These days I hate the large
venues (confirmed when we went to see Dylan 3 years ago) and prefer
smaller intimate venues. The closest I get is to go and see the
Bootleg Beatles play in Liverpool - or one of the other tribute bands.
At least by seeing them in concert I managed to show my two daughters
what all the fuss was about.
Stay with us, Francie, you and all those who want to discuss JPG&R.
thursday@9
saying there's no point in trying to fit something into place that
doesn't fit. I don't understand the popularity of Oprah, I don't fit
into the large land of acceptance she's made for herself. Quite
frankly, I don't get it. I don't fit into that scene.
I would add that I have had a few conversations with people who have
bashed Yoko's work without ever having heard an entire side of music or
seen any art piece of hers. Perhaps I was lumping the original Yoko
basher into that compartment?
In any case, don't feel lost.
Mike
http://www.jeclique.com/onoweb/thesixties.html
1961 - Painting and drawing by Yoko / AG Gallery NY USA
1961 - Works of Yoko Ono / Carnegie Recital Hall - NY USA
1961 - Yoko Ono curator of Chambers Street Loft Concert Series w.
Lamonte Young ( full listing of the famous Loft series will be found at
http://www.jeclique.com/onoweb/loftono.html is I can trace my old file
)
1961 - Grapefruit in the World of Park - Vilage Gate - NY USA
1961 - Grapefruit in the World of Park, and other pieces - Festival de
Musique Contemporaine de Montreal - Montreal Quebec Canada - Aug 1961
1962 - Benefit for an anthology [ THE CHAIR ] - The Living Theater - NY
USA
1962 - Benefit for an anthology [ TOUCH POEM ] - The Living Theater -
NY USA
1962 - Festum Fluxorum Fluxus/ Musik und Antimusik - Dusseldor Germany
1962 - Experimentalfilme, FluxFilme, Film [ NUMBER ] - Wuppertal
Germany
1962 - Fluxus Internationale Festspiele Neuster Musik [ THE PULSE ,
PIECE TO SEE THE SKY ] - Wiesbaden - Germany
1962 - Works of Yoko Ono / Sogetsu Art Center Japan
1962 - Concert Tour of Japan with John Cage and David Tudor
1963 - Soundtrack to Iimura Takahari film LOVE/Ai - Tokyo Japan
1963 - Works of Yoko Ono / Sogetsu Art Center Japan
1963 - World premirere Question piece
1964 - Touch Poem #3 - Nigeria
1964 - FLY [ performance ] Japan
1964 - Yoko Ono - Naiqua Gallery Japan
1964 - 3 old Painting - Naiqua Gallery Japan
1964 - Events Saturdays For Four Weeks -Naiqua Gallery Japan
1964 - First Publication of Grapefruit - Tokyo Japan
1964 - Insound and Instructure - Yamachi Hall - Japan
1964 - Event/Evening Till Dawn - Nanzenji Temple Kyoto - Japan
1964 - Symposium 1 - French Cancan cofffe house - Kyoto Japan
1964 - Farewell Concert/Strip Tease Show Sogetsu Kaikan Hall
1964 - Evening with YO - Sogetsu Art Center - Tokyo
1964 - World premiere of Flower/Shadow/Morning Event - Japan
1965 - Morning Piece for Maciunas - NY USA
1965 - New Works by Yoko Ono - Carnegie Recital Hall NY USA
1965 - Bag Piece/Fluxus Concert/ Filmmakers Cinematheque NY USA
1965 - Evening with Yoko Ono - East End Theater - NY USA
1965 - Fluxus Concert Galerie Bloxk Berlin Germany
1965 - First Worldd Congress Happening St Mary of the Harbor NY USA
1965 - 3rd Annual Avant Garde Festival { TOUOCH POEM } NY USA
1965 - Fluxorchestra at Carnegie Hall NY USA
1965 - Perpetual Fluxfest New Cinematheque NY USA
1965 - World Theater;experimental music dance theather - Cafe au Gogo
NY US
1965 - Bridge Theater Group Concert [Bicycle Piece for Orchestra] NY
USA
1966 - Yoko at Indica / London UK
1966 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Wesleyan Univ. Conn. USA
1966 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Jeannette Cochrane Theatre London UK
1966 - Judson Memorial Church presents NY USA
1966 - Fluxus Films NY USA
1966 - The Stone Judson Gallery NY USA
1966 - Hand Painting Village Gate benefit - NY USA
1966 - The Stone - The Paradox NY USA
1966 - 4th Annual Avant Garde Festival [SUNRISE EVENT, CUT PIECE] -
-Central Park NY USA
1966 - DIAS
1966 - Africa Center - London UK
1966 - DIAS Symposium [ TALK ] Africa Center - London Uk
1966 - DIAS concert [WHISPER} Conway Hall - London UK
1966 - DIAS afternoon event [ SHADOW PIECE ] London Free School
Playground London UK
1966 - DIAS Final Event [DISAPPEARING PIECE] Mercury Theater - London
UK
1966 - Nam June Paik and Charlotte Moorman perfoms.. Galeria 101
Copenhagen Denmark
1966-67 - 13 Days Do It Yourself Dance Festival London UK
1967 - Be in with Yoko Ono, kite flying event - Parliement Hill UK
1967 - Yoko Ono at the Seville - London UK
1967 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Leeds Univ. Arts Dept. UK
1967 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Middle Earth London. UK
1967 - Evening with Yoko Ono - St Martins Art college UK
1967 - Wrapping Place - Trafalgar Square London UK
1967 - FLUX FILME [ NUMBER 4] Saal der Relterstube - cologne Germany
1967 - Concert fluxus Galleria la Bertesca Geneve Switzllerland
1967 - 5th annual Avant Garde Festival [WATER PIECE ] JFKEnney
Ferryboat - NY USA
1967 - 12 Evenings of manipulations Judson Gallery NY USA
1967 - Evening of Psychedelics events - Alexandra Palace London UK
1968 - Knokke Film Festival [ BAG PIECE ] Knokke Belgium
1968 - Yoko Ono and Ornette Coleman - Albert Hall
1968 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Liverpool Art School Liverpool. UK
1968 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Arts Lab Center London UK
1968 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Birmingham Art Center UK
1968 - Evening with Yoko Ono - Guildford Universitey Arts Dept. UK
1968 - Evening with Yoko Ono and the Soft Machine - Leeds Univ. Arts
Dept. UK
fatt...@yahoo.com
Thanks for your post about The Yoke's early work. This tells me
that she tried to; work hard, etc. But many of these things listed are
not gallery displays as claimed above. Many of these are performances
or lectures she gave either alone or with a group in obscure locations.
I have seen artists perform regularly on the NYC subway for
nickles and dimes. I am sure they could also do a resume which says
Performance by Joe Blow at the Grand Central Subway Station Jauary 5,
1966, etc. It's nice, but it is ot the same thing as a show at the
Museum of Modern Art.
However I cannot blame someone for tooting their owh horn.
.
Francie
Mike, thanks for "doing my homework"! Obviously Fatt has an easy (&
dismissive) answer for everything factual about Yoko. I doubt he even
reads what's actually posted; his mind is set to respond with dumbfuck
replies like the one below. In fact, Yoko's "performance art" was truly
avant garde in the literal sense - it was "leading edge" stuff. At the
same time, on the west coast there were some people doing similar
things, but the Big Apple was always the first place in America where
these "movements" broke...
Which reminds me, most people natter on about how Yoko was so insulated
in her "art world" activities, she didn't know how huge the Beatles
were (also she was 8 yrs older so she wasn't a teenage fan) - or they
argue that her ignorance of the Phenomenon was more distortion and
revisionist history: John's creative mind opened up to a part of the
world that he'd been missing since he was sealed up inside the Beatle
bubble, too!
They were catalysts in each other's lives, and I doubt there are a
handful of rmb people who have the slightest clue about this aspect of
their relationship. It hasn't been written about much by Beatle
biographers, either.
Since I came from "both worlds" (I had an art school education, but was
also a Top 40 radio freak in the 60's) this aspect of their
relationship really struck me as soon as I met them. On the same night
I met George and Ringo... that was some night.
Francie
Francie
fatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I have seen artists perform regularly on the NYC subway for
> nickles and dimes. I am sure they could also do a resume which says
> Performance by Joe Blow at the Grand Central Subway Station Jauary 5,
> 1966, etc.
>
You are an idiot.
Mike
dismissive to compare years of performance and gallery work to that of
a street performer, where in Yoko's case, many of her events were based
on invitations sent to her, asking her to appear. And, I'd hardly call
the Sogetsu Art Center, Africa Center, and Carnegie Hall "obscure"
locations. Don't punish Yoko based on the limitations of your
knowledge of art. On the same note, it wasn't unknown to many
avante-garde artists the location of Yoko's "Loft Series" which she was
solely responsible for, and had such artists appear as Phillip Corner,
LaMonte Young, and Terry Jennings. Obviously, this isn't what you're
looking for. You're indicating that an artist can only be respected
and have talent only if they have been involved with MoMA or the
Whitney. That is pretty shallow, as it seems that you allow the
"establishment" to term what is good or bad, and you don't waste your
time and effort in the end.
Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you've already made
up your mind. But I do ask that before you make unqualified statements
without any research, please use the resources available to you.