Jeff Lynne RUINED the Beatles
Penny Cash
Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
people will agree with me.
Penny Cash
De Repentigny Yves
pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) writes:
>Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
>those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
>people will agree with me.
Well, I think Real Love sounds great, but to each his own...
--
Yves de Repentigny "Oncle Henriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!"
Département de sciences biologiques
Université de Montréal -Agelaius phoeniceus
Penny Cash
Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
Jeff Smulyan
Penny,
IF you look closely at the "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love singles, you
will notice that Jeff Lynne CO-PRODUCED them...along with the other 3!
Robert O'Brien
De Repentigny Yves wrote:
>
> pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) writes:
>
> >Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
> >those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
> >people will agree with me.
>
>
> --
> Yves de Repentigny "Oncle Henriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!"
> Département de sciences biologiques
> Université de Montréal -Agelaius phoeniceus
ELO and some Wilbury stuff too. But I think Real Love was not as bad.
That could be due to the fact that the RL demos were more substantial.
More John =Less Jeff =Better Beatles
Rob
Dylanfan
I disagree completely. Considering what he had to work with, I think Jeff
Lynne did a fabulous job producing both Free As A Bird, and Real Love.
Fred Wheeler
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In article <5bdrso$7...@goofy.snet.net>,
pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) wrote:
>
> Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
> songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
> "ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
> Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
> Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
> Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level.
I suppose you WON'T be buying the next McCartney album, because--GOD FORBID!--
Jeff Lynne is producing that too!
Let the rest of us enjoy it.
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pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) wrote:
>Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
>songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
>"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
>Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
>Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
>to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
>as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
>
>those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
>people will agree with me.
>
Lets face it. FAAB was a pretty shitty song by most people's standard and
when measured against the Beatles, it must surely rank as their WORST.
Lennon never thought enough of it to record it before he died. The
chorus was extremely weak. And the song was a bit of a dirge, wasn't it ?
Not Jeff Lynne's fault, that !
Sudhir - in Singapore
Rutles 909
Know what the big knock aganist elo in the 70's was? They sound too much
like the Beatles. John called them "the son of beatles". Now 20 years
later Jeff is getting shat on because he made a beatles song that sounded
like elo. There's some irony in there folks. I have aslo heard people
complain that it sounded too much like the wilburys. Well, George was a
big part of the Wilburys and also a big part of the new Beatle songs, so I
can see how they might be a connection there too. Paul George Ringo and
Yoko knew that these songs were probably going to be the the biggest songs
of their lives- at least the most closley scrutinized. If it wasn't
EXACTLY the way they wanted it to sound, do you think they would have
backed down because Jeff Lynne wanted it different. This is the way they
sound now. And I think that it's as good as anything they have ever done.
Rutles 909
Rutles 909
Edward J. Plunkett
pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) wrote:
>Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
>songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
>"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
>Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
>Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
>Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
>to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
>as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
>
>Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
>those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
>people will agree with me.
>
Now he's threatening to do the same over processed ELO based nonsense with
Paul and George. Stop him before he produces again, or let him get back
with ELO. Now there's a reunion tour!
Ed Plunkett
Rutles 909
CBenn87119
i agree, Jeff L. did a FABulous job producing.
Let us not forget, if it was not for Jeff, we probably wouldn't have had
the same CLOUD 9 music either.
Rutles 909
Rutles 909
stev...@applewize.com
IN>i agree, Jeff L. did a FABulous job producing.
IN>Let us not forget, if it was not for Jeff, we probably wouldn't have had
IN>the same CLOUD 9 music either.
Agreed.
See my commentary at the site below:
http://applewize.com/steven32/jl-sa.htm
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Jerry Spanbauer
I too am sick of people bashing Jeff Lynne. It seems like a fashionable
thing to do these days, but I don't remember too many people complaining
when they first heard "Cloud Nine", "Full Moon Fever", and "Traveling
Wilburys Vol. 1." Fans of George and Jeff Lynne are well-advised to pick
up his solo "Armchair Theater". George is all over it!
Jerry
Dylanfan
Jeff Mills
Penny Cash <pc...@ipxnet.com> wrote in article
<5bdrso$7...@goofy.snet.net>...
> Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
> songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
> "ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
> Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
> Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
> Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
> to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
> as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
Maybe my ears are screwed up but the songs sound pretty damn Beatle-esque
to me!
> Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
> those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
> people will agree with me.
Actually the intro to "Free As A Bird" sounds "Wilbury-ish" and a lot like
the intro to "Into The Great Wide Open" by Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers
(which btw is my favorite song by them) but it's still a pretty damn good
song to me.
>
>
Rutles 909
Rutles 909
Laura Tyrrell
In <5bdrso$7...@goofy.snet.net> pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) writes:
>
>Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
>songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
>"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
>Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
>Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
>Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
>to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
>as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
>
>those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
>people will agree with me.
>
>
I've been saying for years that Jeff Lynne is the Anti-Christ. Sort of
an anti-Midas if you will, everything he touches turns into an ELO
song. Just listen to Roy Orbison's "Mystery Girl", George Harrison's
"Cloud 9", The Travelling Wilburys albums, Tom Petty's "Full Moon
Fever", and Jeff Lynne's "Armchair Theater" back to back to back. They
are the same album!
When I heard "Real Love" for the first time during the Beatle's
Anthology on TV, I looked at my roommate and said, "Oh MY GOD! It's an
ELO song!"
I'm praying that musicians will come to their senses soon and see Jeff
Lynne for what he really is.... Beelzebub!
LT
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Rutles 909 <rutl...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970114162...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
I agree. I think that many people were expecting them to sound EXACTLY
like they did in 1969 or 1970 but the fact is that this is the 1990s and
they are now in their early fifties and obviously they sound much different
now. But that isn't any reason for someone like the original poster to say
Jeff "ruined" the Beatles.
Jeff didn't ruin The Beatles. Let's give Jeff credit for a fine job. He's
no George Martin but who is? It was the best they could do and people
should remember that Lynne wasn't the only producer. Paul, George and
Ringo were producers too of the two new songs.
I like "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" although I prefer the latter
because it sounds better. But I like them both very much and I was very
impressed with the work they did on "Free as a Bird." I really wished they
had done a third new song and was (and still am) disappointed they didn't.
It really isn't fair to have no new song on a third Anthology when the
other two do but oh well, life isn't fair.
And I'm happy with just having two new songs and "Real Love" was a great
song to go out on. Positive, peaceful and perfect.
Frank
pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) informed us:
>Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
>songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
>"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
>Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
>Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
>Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
>to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
>as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
>Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
>those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
>people will agree with me.
I think Ringo was correct when he was quoted as saying "Sounds like
the bloody Beatles".
I think the ELO connection is in your head, and no matter what your
ears hear you can't get past that connection.
Darren Buettner
Penny Cash wrote:
><edit>
> those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
> people will agree with me.
The harmony guitar fills are sooooo ELO that I find it insulting
Darren Buettner
Rutles 909 wrote:
> <edit>
> I think that it's as good as anything they have ever done.
I disagree, and I wish they would have stuck with George Martin.
The songs don't sound bad though... I still like-em
The Pied Piper
George played them, buddy! I doubt Jeff told him, "This is what you will
play, so you can sound more like me."
Besides George has been playing in that manner for years.
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> Penny Cash wrote:
> ><edit>
> > Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
> > those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
> > people will agree with me.
>
> The harmony guitar fills are sooooo ELO that I find it insulting
Actually, I think the harmony guitar fills are so "Crackerbox Palace" I
find them nauseating.....<G>
DC
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De Repentigny Yves
Darren Buettner <jp...@gte.net> writes:
>Penny Cash wrote:
>><edit>
>> Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
>> those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
>> people will agree with me.
>The harmony guitar fills are sooooo ELO that I find it insulting
Well, considering that ELO used to copy the Beatles' style, that's not
that bad.
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Département de sciences biologiques
Université de Montréal -Agelaius phoeniceus
Danny Caccavo
> Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
> songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
> "ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
> Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
> Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
> Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
> to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
> as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
>
> Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
> those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
> people will agree with me.
Well, my major beef is not that FAAB is so ELO sounding (the drums are
really what makes it ELO sounding), but that Jeff Lynne insisted on
"metromomizing" the track. He claimed the time varied too much to overdub
to. To that I say "nonsense". "A Day In the Life" varied a bit, and Ringo
and Paul had no problem overdubbing to it.....
And I felt that the production/performance tended to mask much of the
musical personality. Like Paul. His piano and bass playing could have
been anybody. The drums? They were processed a bit too much, and the use
of a sampled hihat stiffened it up. The tom fills and cymbals were great
(real). George and Paul played acoustic guitars - the same part - which
masked any feel (probably the first time Paul played rhythm acoustic on a
Beatles song....). One acoustic would have been enough. The synths
didn't thrill me...
But the record still gives me chills. I guess it works! -DC
Robert Wolk
George Martin is retired, and I read that he is suffering from hearing
loss. This is the reason he did not work on FAAB and RL.
Robert
Charles Hagan
Oh PLEASE!!!! You know, it's so trite and typical of people to keep
Lynne-bashing. It's become FASHIONABLE, but mostly, like most FASHION,
it's people who haven't read the book, seen the movie, listened to the
music, etc who do most of the talking -- even though they often know the
LEAST about what they're talking about.
I am so tired of you idiots bashing Jeff Lynne. I happen to be a Jeff
Lynne/Move/ELO fan (by the way, Jeff's original REASON for forming ELO
was to "pick up where Strawberry Field left off") specifically BECAUSE
I've always noticed a strong Beatles' RESPECT and INFLUENCE in his music.
But if you folks think his Threetles work sounds like ELO, you are NUTS.
There is some influence there, like the guitars in harmony during the
bridge in Real Love, but I happen to love that part. The fact that it's
a Jeff Lynne trademark doesn't mean it sounds bad. And we're talking
minor stuff here folks -- being among Lynne's fans (I have EVERYTHING
he's ever done, all the way back to the 60's), I am probably vastly more
knowledgeable than most of you about his work and frankly, I don't see
that big an influence. I may be biased about his work, but that doesn't
make me deaf. Besides, if his BIGGEST influence was the Beatles, and
then he turns around and influences them, would that be so bad?
Listen, these truths are FACT --
Jeff Lynne SAVED the career of Tom Petty
was THE most influential member of The Wilburys
SAVED George Harrison's career (When We Was Fab, Mind Set On You, Cloud
Nine, et al)
and most importantly, he saved two of John Lennon's works from the
TRASHBIN of history (FAAB and Real Love).
Have any of you ever actually HEARD the worthless piece of crap that he
started with on FAAB and with The Threetles turned it into something
listenable and enjoyable. People I know, including my own wife, would
scream when I played the original FAAB demo. Those same people loved the
finished FAAB. Perhaps not the greatest song ever, but it was fun -- and
he certainly did not RUIN it by making it listenable.
Bottom line -- give the guy a break -- he loves the Beatles, and is only
trying to honor them with his work. I for one can't wait to hear a MACCA
album with his influence (the closest living Lennon-style influence there
is) -- this is the matchup I've waited for -- to make a typical Pop album
by MACCA into something more contemporary and enjoyable (and hopefully
airplayable) ala Petty, Wilburys, et al.
P.S. Try listening to ELO's "On The Third Day" (not the overly produced
and sometimes "disco-fied" later stuff), particulary the song "Oh Not Not
Susan", which is a great Lennon-influenced song.
Mr. H (who demonstrate 10 somersets he'll undertake on solid ground)
W Randall
Dylanfan (dyla...@aol.com) wrote:
: I disagree completely. Considering what he had to work with, I think Jeff
: Lynne did a fabulous job producing both Free As A Bird, and Real Love.
: Fred Wheeler
: http://members.aol.com/Dylanfan/index.html
: "In the fury of the moment/I can see the Master's hand/
: In every leave that trembles/In every Grain of Sand"
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Laura Tyrrell
In <32DD92...@earthlink.net> Robert Wolk <rober...@earthlink.net>
writes:
a month ago. It was kind of early in the morning so I wasn't listening
very closely, but I do remember him talking about working on the
Anthology series. Running songs through computer programs to clean
them up, picking out what was interesting, etc. And if I recall, he
mentioned some other projects he was producing, although they weren't
rock records.
He was cutting back but not necessarily retired. What have other
people heard about why he didn't produce RL and FAAB?
Laura
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saki
In article <5blm80$4...@bignews.shef.ac.uk>,
>: I disagree completely. Considering what he had to work with, I think Jeff
>: Lynne did a fabulous job producing both Free As A Bird, and Real Love.
>
> I suppose we can now start calling them "The Elotles"
With this outpouring of opinion that compares "FAAB" to ELO and the
Wilburys (nobody thinks they sound like Roy Wood, I can't help but notice
:-) it occurred to me that some of you out there may be so outraged at
Jeff Lynne that you'd like to get rid of your Wilburys CDs.
If anyone would like to cleanse himself of Mr. Lynne's musical touch,
it so happens that I need Wilburys Vol 1 & 3. Or if you have extras you'd
like to sell me, please contact me by email. I have lovely cassettes of
these albums but I'm going to wear them out soon if I don't go digital.
:-)
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Charles Hagan <UXS...@prodigy.com> wrote:
: I happen to be a Jeff
I'm pretty sure Roy Wood founded the Move (aka ELO). Jeff Lynne, tho, did
succeed in turning a highly innovative band into a rather bland commercial
pop-music machine.
Just my opinion, tho.
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> Jeff Lynne must be stopped. Look (listen) to what he did to Dave Edmunds.
> Now he's threatening to do the same over processed ELO based nonsense
with
> Paul and George. Stop him before he produces again, or let him get back
> with ELO.
Yes, let's stop Jeff Lynne's diabolical plot to make everyone he produces
sound just like him. The safety of your children's msuic and their
chuldren's children's music depends on it. :-) :-) :-)
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stev...@applewize.com
IN>Rutles 909 wrote:
IN>> <edit>
IN>> I think that it's as good as anything they have ever done.
IN>I disagree, and I wish they would have stuck with George Martin.
IN>The songs don't sound bad though... I still like-em
But they didn't. Let's remember Paul, Ringo and George aren't who
they were in 1969. They grown up and can make their own decisions.
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I agrech...@silver.shef.ac.uk (W Randall) wrote:
>Dylanfan (dyla...@aol.com) wrote:
>: I disagree completely. Considering what he had to work with, I think Jeff
>: Lynne did a fabulous job producing both Free As A Bird, and Real Love.
>
>
I agree with Dylanfan here. Jeff really had some raw stuff to work
with and he did a great job. He should have let McCartney display
his usual tremendous bass playing, though. The bass line is very
ordinary in both tunes.
I'm curious about the new one still to come.
Bob
Bruce Dumes
Bob Stahley (bo...@primenet.com) wrote:
: Charles Hagan <UXS...@prodigy.com> wrote:
: : I happen to be a Jeff
: : Lynne/Move/ELO fan (by the way, Jeff's original REASON for forming ELO
: : was to "pick up where Strawberry Field left off") [...
: I'm pretty sure Roy Wood founded the Move (aka ELO). Jeff Lynne, tho, did
: succeed in turning a highly innovative band into a rather bland commercial
: pop-music machine.
: Just my opinion, tho.
A Short History of the Move and early ELO --
Roy Wood formed the Move, recruiting Carl Wayne(vocals), Trevor Burton(vocals
and guitar), Ace Kefford(vocals and bass), and Bev Bevan (bullfrog vocals and
drums). Roy left a very successful Brum band called Mike Sheridan and The
Nightriders to form the Move. Mike Sheridan was and remains a legendary
and active figure in the Birmingham music scene. A young lad named Jeff
Lynne was eventually recruited for Roy's spot in the Nightriders. Shortly
after Jeff came into the band, Mike Sheridan left. The Nightriders recorded
two singles and then changed their name to The Idle Race, and produced some
wonderful music, very Beatle influenced, but very good in it's own right.
When Carl Wayne parted ways with the Move, Roy recruited Jeff into the band.
Roy had tried to get Jeff into the band earlier, but Jeff felt that the
Idle Race was really going to make it big. By the time Roy asked
him a second time, a couple of things had changed. Jeff couldn't get the
big hit he'd been looking for from the Idle Race, despite the very good work
they were doing, and Roy had come up with an idea for a new band. This would
be a band doing rock and roll with an "orchestral flavor". Roy felt that
there must be plenty of guys their age who knew how to play classical stuff
and "read the dots" but also play rock and roll. He wanted to call it The
Electric Light Orchestra. This is the idea that got Jeff into the band.
The Move still had some albums to put out to complete their contract, and
Jeff joined the Move on the understanding that it was just to finish up
that obligation. Jeff's influence on the Move recordings is quite evident.
The production values, especially on the Message From The Country album
and their final singles like Do Ya, Tonight, Chinatown and California Man
are really terrific musically and technically.
The first ELO track was 10538 Overture, a Jeff Lynne tune. They hadn't
recruited any classical players as yet. Roy had just purchased a cheap
cello and brought it to the studio with him. Roy and Jeff had been down
at the pub, and Jeff talked Roy into trying to play some cello on the
track. Roy had no clue about cello technique, and just played Jimi
Hendrix riffs on it, and eventually, through a lot of hard work, they
came up with what we hear today on that record. That was the beginning
of ELO.
The early ELO performances were uneven at best -- more time was spent
with Roy changing instruments and retuning than playing music, and there
were more than a few ego clashes between Roy and Jeff.
Roy left, taking Rick Price (bass) with him and formed the group Wizzard.
Wizzard had immediate success in the UK, producing some early chart
toppers like "See My Baby Jive" and "Angel Fingers". The same management
company (Don Arden) was promoting the bands, so they basically pushed
ELO in the US, and Wizzard in the UK. The result of this is that while
Wizzard was very big in the UK, they were virtually unknown in the US.
And while it may surprise some US fans, ELO were never that popular in
the UK, nothing like their tremendous success in the US.
OBC: John Lennon was once asked in an interview to name his favorite British
songwriters. He said, "Roy Wood and Jeff Lynne".
If you are interested in Roy Wood and/or the Move, please visit the official
home pages:
http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/bad/move.htm (Move)
http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/bad/woody.htm (Roy Wood)
Bruce
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Laura Tyrrell wrote:
> George Martin did a phone interview on WNEW-FM here in New York about
> a month ago. It was kind of early in the morning so I wasn't listening
> very closely, but I do remember him talking about working on the
> Anthology series. Running songs through computer programs to clean
> them up, picking out what was interesting, etc. And if I recall, he
> mentioned some other projects he was producing, although they weren't
> rock records.
>
> He was cutting back but not necessarily retired. What have other
> people heard about why he didn't produce RL and FAAB?
>
> Laura
Martin has said he simply didn't want to work on a new Beatles
song without John. He didn't feel that it be right or proper,
basically. I wish he'd done it over Jeff Lynne, but the man
sticks to his principles.
CAP
Orange
Edit:
> What have other
> people heard about why he didn't produce RL and FAAB?
>
> Laura
What I've heard, George wasn't too keen on doing RL or FAAB if Jeff Lynne
wasn't the producer, and the other two went along with the idea.
Chris
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PeneeeLane
Hi all,
I think Jeff Lynne did a very poor job of production on "Free As A Bird."
This IS an objective opinion. He should have mixed Paul and George's
vocals down and put delay on them too make them sound as errie as John's
vocals...it would have been consistant and haunting...instead of"a ghost"
sound,(John) and "we are alive" sound(paul and George) It would have made
a much better record. As far as "Real Love;" good job.
all my lovin....
PeneeeLane
(also a record producer very influenced by the Beatles and knows of what
she speaketh regarding this subject)
hwheaton
penee...@aol.com (PeneeeLane) wrote:
>Jeff Lynne ... should have mixed Paul and George's vocals down and put delay on them too make them sound as errie as John's vocals.=
.it would have been consistant and haunting...instead of "a ghost" sound, (John) and "we are alive" sound (paul and George) It wou=
ld have made a much better record
>
I couldn't agree more. I think the distortion on John's vocals doesn't sound distracting in and of itself; it's the comparison betw=
een the old and the new sections that sounds jarring. When I brought this up with some friends when FAAB first aired, they couldn't=
believe that I would want them to essentially fix the parts that weren't broken. Glad to know someone out there agrees. The whole t=
hing could have sounded like it was coming from another plane.
huzzlewhat.
scott fisher
i thought the same thing the 1st time i heard it and i still do!
fishnetr :-)
De Repentigny Yves
penee...@aol.com (PeneeeLane) writes:
>Hi all,
>I think Jeff Lynne did a very poor job of production on "Free As A Bird."
>This IS an objective opinion. He should have mixed Paul and George's
err... Just curious: how can an opinion be objective?
T. Dale Mullen
In article <32DFEA...@dramatists.com>, Craig Pospisil
<postm...@dramatists.com> wrote:
> Laura Tyrrell wrote:
> > George Martin did a phone interview on WNEW-FM here in New York about
> > a month ago. It was kind of early in the morning so I wasn't listening
> > very closely, but I do remember him talking about working on the
> > Anthology series. Running songs through computer programs to clean
> > them up, picking out what was interesting, etc. And if I recall, he
> > mentioned some other projects he was producing, although they weren't
> > rock records.
> >
> > He was cutting back but not necessarily retired. What have other
> > people heard about why he didn't produce RL and FAAB?
> >
> > Laura
>
> Martin has said he simply didn't want to work on a new Beatles
> song without John. He didn't feel that it be right or proper,
> basically. I wish he'd done it over Jeff Lynne, but the man
> sticks to his principles.
>
> CAP
WasnÕt there also something about George (Martin) now having some hearing
problems? It seems I read somewhere that his hearing in not very good and
he therefore didnÕt feel he could fully participate in the Anthology
series.
FWIW,
Dale
PeneeeLane
Hi again,
I believe my opinion is objective
because i have made a living out of producing records for many years.
While I am an avid(rabid?) Beatle fan...I can listen to the production
with objective ears.
all my
lovin... :) PeneeeLane
David Haber
In article <5bdrso$7...@goofy.snet.net>, pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) wrote:
>Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
>songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO.
Did the possibility ever occur to you that the Threetles LIKE the ELO sound,
and specifically got Jeff Lynne and told him, "Make this sound like
those..."? So, yes, it's Jeff Lynne's sound, but the Threetles' vision.
Besides, it's the other way 'round. ELO sounds like the Beatles.
-Dave
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In article <19970120093...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
penee...@aol.com (PeneeeLane) writes:
>Hi again,
>
Is Newt gingrich able to objectively judge other politicians, just because
he is one? Was Picasso an objective judge of other artists, just because
he was one? Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, it is
harder to be objective about people in your own field.
Stephen Brown
Jeff Lynne didn't ruin the Beatles; Mark Chapman did.
Jeff Manghera
CLOUD NINE was so successful (commercially and critically) with Lynne!
I can't wait to hear what he does with Paul! It may be one of his most
successful discs in a long time!
Danny Caccavo
In article <32E3FB...@pacbell.net>, js...@pacbell.net wrote:
> PeneeeLane wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I think Jeff Lynne did a very poor job of production on "Free As A Bird."
> > This IS an objective opinion. He should have mixed Paul and George's
> > vocals down and put delay on them too make them sound as errie as John's
> > vocals...it would have been consistant and haunting...instead of"a ghost"
> > sound,(John) and "we are alive" sound(paul and George) It would have made
> > a much better record. As far as "Real Love;" good job.
> >
> > all my lovin....
> > PeneeeLane
> > (also a record producer very influenced by the Beatles and knows of what
> > she speaketh regarding this subject)
>
> Actually I could have done with the backing vocals remaining the same
> and John's vocal with less of an effect. It seems to me that simple (or
> not so simple) EQ adjustments could make it sound better.
Well, according to Jeff's assistant/keyboardist/sequencer guy (his name is
in the RL credits, it escapes me), when they chopped John's performance
into all those bitty pieces in order to time compress and quantize them to
fit them into a tempo map (yes, they did that and it shows), they had to
put some doubling effects on to mask the editing and processing. They
also rolled out most of the bottom to get rid of as much of John's piano
as possible (again, I ask, why?). Too anal retentive in their approach,
IMHO. -DC
Danny Caccavo
In article <19970120232...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rasm...@aol.com wrote:
Look, all opinions are subjective. I just happen to agree with
PeneeeLane's. -DC
Danny Caccavo
In article <19970119103...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
penee...@aol.com (PeneeeLane) wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think Jeff Lynne did a very poor job of production on "Free As A Bird."
> This IS an objective opinion. He should have mixed Paul and George's
> vocals down and put delay on them too make them sound as errie as John's
> vocals...it would have been consistant and haunting...instead of"a ghost"
> sound,(John) and "we are alive" sound(paul and George) It would have made
> a much better record. As far as "Real Love;" good job.
>
> all my lovin....
> PeneeeLane
> (also a record producer very influenced by the Beatles and knows of what
> she speaketh regarding this subject)
You got it. It seems like such an obvious thing to do (hosing down Paul
and George's vocals a bit), yet it wasn't done. I also hate that Jeff felt
that John's performance had to be "quantized" - this is a problem with the
Wilbury's stuff too. Click tracks - FEH!!!
And yes, I agree that the production on Real Love sounds much more like
a band. And there was some good editing of "Real love" as well. And Ringo
is really playing a kit in that one, unlike "FAAB" with its sampled
sounds. -DC
PeneeeLane
Touche
rasm...@aol.com
In article <danielj-2001...@danielj.port.net>,
dan...@interport.net (Danny Caccavo) writes:
>Look, all opinions are subjective. I just happen to agree with
>PeneeeLane's. -DC
Of course. That was my point. Just as Picasso had a right to critique
other painters. He just wasn't likely to be "objective" about it. However,
at this point no one could "ruin" the Beatles.
MGELLAN
Jeff Lynne is THE best producer of rock music out there right now.
Magellan - The Rock Band
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Danny Caccavo
In article <5bgvkk$r...@news.dowjones.com>, F...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) informed us:
>
> >Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
> >songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO. OK, if those were called
> >"ELO" songs, then I would have accepted them as pretty good Jeff
> >Lynne-type ELO tunes. But it's degrading to the Beatles, George
> >Martin, and everyone else associated with the Beatles because Jeff
> >Lynne brought the Beatles down to ELO's level. Now this isn't meant
> >to be a knock on ELO. Personally, I like the band. But the Beatles,
> >as we all know, are NOT in the same league as ELO.
>
> >Now maybe I will upset some people by this statement, but admit it,
> >those two songs are just too ELO sounding, and I'm sure a lot of
> >people will agree with me.
>
> I think Ringo was correct when he was quoted as saying "Sounds like
> the bloody Beatles".
>
> I think the ELO connection is in your head, and no matter what your
> ears hear you can't get past that connection.
I think the answer is somewhere in between. The ELO/Lynne connection is
obvious to me, but those guitar fills are pure "Crackerbox palace"
(unfortunately). I got very tired of George's slide guitar stuff in the
'70s.
Hey, let's face it - it's modern sounding. Not all of us may like that.
I think the thing that makes it sound most like the Beatles
(instrumentally) are Ringo's tom tom fills. To die for (on both songs).
WOLFSCHANZ
Alas, tis true...........whatever happened to Produced by George Martin?
Charlie, the most nattily attired of the fifth Beatles
Penny Cash
Rob Richardson <8ri...@mailserver.epsctl.uk.ibm.com> wrote:
>Bruce Dumes wrote:
>You telling me ELO weren't innovative and were bland pop producers? You
>obviously know nothing of ELO and the music they produced between
>1974-1977. Don't make wild accusations and claims without studying the
>facts first.
We're NOT SAYING THAT! All we are saying is that Jeff Lynne should
NOT have produced those two new Beatle records.
HE MADE IT SOUND TOO MUCH LIKE ELO FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!
Bruce Dumes
Penny Cash (pc...@ipxnet.com) wrote:
: Rob Richardson <8ri...@mailserver.epsctl.uk.ibm.com> wrote:
: >Bruce Dumes wrote:
First -- it's not clear from your quote that Rob made that statement,
not me. Please be careful about this.
Secondly, you cut out the section of text he was referring to, which
was Bob Stahley's comment that after Roy Wood left, ELO became a
bland hit machine (or something to that effect).
Rob wasn't talking about anything you said. That really was quite clear.
Mr. John James Whelan
WOLFSCHANZ (wolfs...@aol.com) writes:
> Alas, tis true...........whatever happened to Produced by George Martin?
>
Well, I for one am pleased with the results Jeff Lynne did with both
Lennon tracks. Ever noticed how each music producer has his own special
blue print for sound and production. Compare Phil Spector to Quincy
Jones...both are very different in their approach as is George Martin
and Jeff Lynne. Each music producer seems to develop a particular
sound style and quality feel to the songs they produce for different
groups and individual singers. I view this as their artistic license
to bring more focus into the songs they deal with and given the fact
that these were home recordings by John Lennon on tape cassette, I'm
very impressed with the way they turned out.
Regarding George Martin, I think he had his hands more than full when
he was given the task of cleaning up and bringing to life all the songs
(studio outakes) that the Beatles had done and so this would be one
of the reasons why he didn't produced the two Lennon tracks. Also, perhaps
having Jeff Lynne in as producer gave the Beatles a fresh outlook on
how to go about recording these songs. Jeff Lynne gets full credit for
doing an EXCELLENT JOB! Nice touch in your production of the FABS
Jeff! :)
John
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Rob Richardson <8ri...@mailserver.epsctl.uk.ibm.com> wrote:
>Bruce Dumes wrote:
>You telling me ELO weren't innovative and were bland pop producers? You
>obviously know nothing of ELO and the music they produced between
>1974-1977. Don't make wild accusations and claims without studying the
>facts first.
>We're NOT SAYING THAT! All we are saying is that Jeff Lynne should
>NOT have produced those two new Beatle records.
>HE MADE IT SOUND TOO MUCH LIKE ELO FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!
they did that for pete! that was awful nice of them, i thought that pete
and the beatles were on bad terms with each other after they brought in
Ringo, but it's good that they can put it all behind them after all these
years
They say revolution's in the air
I'm dancing in my underware
And I don't care
-- Ron Nasty
babl...@televar.com
In article <00001f94...@msn.com>,
fish...@msn.com (scott fisher) wrote:
>
> i thought the same thing the 1st time i heard it and i still do!
> fishnetr :-)
Jeff Lynne didn't RUIN the Beatles...........................
"the man whose name we must never mention" did.
Mark, Jeff Lynne Fan.
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It's all very subjective, I suppose, but I thought both songs were just
terrific--not the best the Beatles have ever done, by any means, but well
within the ball park of their usual (unusually high) standard. Normally
I'm not a fan of Lynne's production technique, but I simply don't hear
what so many others are hearing on these tracks (i.e., a sound radically
unlike Martin's and too close to ELO for comfort).
And incidentally, I was also taken aback by the hostility about John's
"underwater" vocals. Considering that rough, unfinished demos were all
they started with, and that so many classic Beatle tracks have drastically
altered vocals (say, John's "Tomorrow Never Knows," to name just one
example), I would think that unusual vocal sounds from the Fabs would not
raise eyebrows, let alone sneers.
No, in my estimation, these are worthy efforts, I'm glad to have them, and
I think Lynne deserves whatever credit a good producer deserves. Don't
forget that the Beatles are each more than able producers in their own
right, so Lynne's role was probably not as crucial or decisive as Martin's
was in the mid-1960s when the boys were learning their studio craft.
Danny Caccavo
In article <a5c_970...@cjbbs.com>, br...@cjbbs.com (Brett Pasternack) wrote:
<snip>
>
> I can't say the same about "Real Love", though. Note that this song was NOT
> in the "trashbin of history"; it was available to all on the Imagine: John
> Lennon soundtrack and the Lennon box set. It was fully complete, and to me
> the newly recorded portions add very little to it. Worse yet, it's sped up
> ridiculously, and here I must assign blame to Lynne, because this is a
> fairly common trick in his arsenal. (Even several ELO records sound more
> natural when slowed down by about 2 rpm.)
<snip>
Actually, that was a fairly common trick in the Beatles arsenal....<g>
Danny Caccavo
In article <01bc09f0$3c8ff680$954093cf@kuys-pen>, "KWise"
<kw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Danny Caccavo <dan...@interport.net> wrote in article
> <danielj-2301...@danielj.port.net>...
> > I think the answer is somewhere in between. The ELO/Lynne connection
> is
> > obvious to me, but those guitar fills are pure "Crackerbox palace"
> > (unfortunately). I got very tired of George's slide guitar stuff in
> the
> > '70s.
>
> I also got tired of George's slide in the 70s, but for me the 2 slide
> solos are the best part of the song (except for the Lennon vocal of
> course) -- very sad and emotionally intense, and perfect for the song.
> For me, FAAB is among George's best work ever.
>
> K. Wise
Actually, I like the solos, it's the fills in the second verse that make
me cringe....-DC
Danny Caccavo
In article <01bc0a62$42b28600$1841...@Boninis.wow.net>, "Boninis"
<bon...@carib-link.net> wrote:
> Oh Dear !
>
> Can we tell the difference between Martin and Lynne ? And if we can't, then
> can we make excuses for deficiencies in the latter ?
>
> ELO were good and great at times but they were never FAB. Lynne has a very
> distinctive style and sound and by God it's there on the "new" FAB tracks.
> I like ELo but don't want ot thinkELO whilst listening to John, Paul,
> George and Ringo.
>
> Why Macca ever agreed to it I will never know ? But I will hazard a guess
> - Mac is a fine producer himself, but ducked the issue to avoid critisicm
> for trying to do it all and "own" the Beatles.
>
> George Martin you let history down by not stepping in when you were needed
> !
>
> Silver Rain etc.
>
Acutally, I think that's a lot of what the gripers (including me to a
degree) are griping about. Jeff Lynne has a distinct "imprint", as
opposed to a producer who knows how to bring out the best in the artists
he's working with. George Martin did not have a "sound" - Jeff Lynne does.
Phil Spector does. This doesn't make them bad producers, btw. It's more
of a "producer as artist" approach.
From what I've heard, Paul conceded to George about using Lynne, and
laid back quite a bit on the sessions. Unfortunately, you can't even tell
it's Paul on bass - I feel he laid back a bit too much!
I don't think that George Martin producing the threetles would have
necessarily made it sound more "1969", but it probably would have been a
little less gimmicky and brought a bit more of the musical personality
out. -DC
Bob Stahley
Rob Richardson <8ri...@mailserver.epsctl.uk.ibm.com> wrote:
: You telling me ELO weren't innovative and were bland pop producers? You
: obviously know nothing of ELO and the music they produced between
: 1974-1977. Don't make wild accusations and claims without studying the
: facts first.
I should "study the facts first," eh? (Oh, ghod, I _am_ turning into a
cheesehead! :) ) Ever hear of Procol Harum? Gentle Giant? The Nice?
Kraftwerk? King Crimson? Yes (before that abysmal "Tales of Toby's
Graphic Go-cart")?
By 1974, ELO were just recycling.
Again, just my opinion. Your milage may vary.
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Bruce Dumes wrote:
>
> Bob Stahley (bo...@primenet.com) wrote:
> : Charles Hagan <UXS...@prodigy.com> wrote:
> : : I happen to be a Jeff
> : : Lynne/Move/ELO fan (by the way, Jeff's original REASON for forming ELO
> : : was to "pick up where Strawberry Field left off") [...
>
> : I'm pretty sure Roy Wood founded the Move (aka ELO). Jeff Lynne, tho, did
> : succeed in turning a highly innovative band into a rather bland commercial
> : pop-music machine.
rasm...@aol.com
In article <5cat1k$a...@goofy.snet.net>, pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash)
writes:
> All we are saying is that Jeff Lynne should
>NOT have produced those two new Beatle records.
>
>
And, of course, your opinion should supercede that of George, Paul and
Ringo, right?
saki
In article <5cbcjm$c...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Mr. John James Whelan <an...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
> Regarding George Martin, I think he had his hands more than full when
> he was given the task of cleaning up and bringing to life all the songs
> (studio outakes) that the Beatles had done and so this would be one
> of the reasons why he didn't produced the two Lennon tracks.
It's also been noted that Sir George Martin wasn't asked to work on the
two new tracks; there's some speculation (mainly from a BAM interview)
that Martin was a bit miffed at this, but it's hard to tell. Martin was
magnanimous in describing his ears as less than perfect these days.
Harrison seemed happy enough with Martin working on the tracks he'd done
in the past (the "Anthology" series) but wanted "fresh ears" for the two
new tracks.
> Also, perhaps
> having Jeff Lynne in as producer gave the Beatles a fresh outlook on
> how to go about recording these songs. Jeff Lynne gets full credit for
> doing an EXCELLENT JOB!
I'm a fan of Lynne myself, both from Idle Race/ELO days and the Wilburys.
Like his erstwhile musical "brother", Roy Wood, Lynne can get a bit
heavy-handed, but that didn't seem to happen with either "FAAB" or "RL",
to my ears, though I'm aware there are dissenting opinions. :-)
I met a fellow today who was probably in his late forties or early
fifties; he admired my office Beatles pictures (the 1958 color one of
John, George and Paul in Auntie Gin's parlor usually stops everyone cold),
and he said to me "Now what I really would have liked would be something
like that Natalie Cole thing, you know, where the three of them work with
old tapes of John's and record with it...." He seemed truly stunned that
it had happened, even more so that he hadn't noticed. Can musical life
pass by a person so thoroughly, or do you suppose he needs to get out more
and enjoy life? :-)
--
"Well, it's all right, even if you're old and grey; well
it's all right, you've still got something to say".
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Rutles 909
what could they have done to live up to the expectations? paul mentioned
not wanting to talk it up too much for that reason. I mean we were
waiting for almost 3 years, and I played the demos almost everyday. Short
of John returning from the grave for one more song live anything would be
a disappointment after that kind of build up. But if you listen to them as
JUST songs and forget about the rest of the baggage I think you'll like
them more. They don't really sound like elo, but they wouldn't sound
right at the end of abbey road either. It sounds like John Paul George
and Ringo playing together after 25 years and solo careers behind them -
and they are the best two song they have ever done together or apart.
Rutles 909
>Jeff Lynne didn't RUIN the Beatles...........................
>"the man whose name we must never mention" did.
> Mark, Jeff Lynne Fan.
i know this is well intentioned, but it makes me angry. Lets remember
Chapmans name. He took something away from all of us. Never forget that.
Mention it every day so we can remember that there are more nuts like him
out there who can get guns and use them to leave a six year old without a
father.
Boninis
Oh Dear !
Can we tell the difference between Martin and Lynne ? And if we can't, then
can we make excuses for deficiencies in the latter ?
ELO were good and great at times but they were never FAB. Lynne has a very
distinctive style and sound and by God it's there on the "new" FAB tracks.
I like ELo but don't want ot thinkELO whilst listening to John, Paul,
George and Ringo.
Why Macca ever agreed to it I will never know ? But I will hazard a guess
- Mac is a fine producer himself, but ducked the issue to avoid critisicm
for trying to do it all and "own" the Beatles.
George Martin you let history down by not stepping in when you were needed
!
Silver Rain etc.
HFMnet <hfm...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970124210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Dylanfan
>>I also got tired of George's slide in the 70s, but for me the 2 slide
solos are the best part of the song (except for the Lennon vocal of
course) -- very sad and emotionally intense, and perfect for the song.
For me, FAAB is among George's best work ever.<<
I love that slide work of FAAB. Such sweet little licks.
Fred Wheeler
http://members.aol.com/Dylanfan/index.html
"In the fury of the moment/I can see the Master's hand/
In every leave that trembles/In every Grain of Sand"
Mike Sugarman
Please note that I am not flaming you, and usually, your spelling errors
don't bother me at all, but if you're going to use that Ron Nasty quote as
your signature, I feel I should tell you that underwear is spelled, well,
like I spelled it.
- Mike
babl...@televar.com
In article <19970125074...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
The only reason you shouldn't mention his name is so he doesn't get the
notariety he is seeking. You said it right, he is a NUT. People kill people,
GUNS DON'T KILL BY THEMSELVES!
Don Patterson
In article <5c0b6d$i...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> bea...@primenet.com (David Haber) writes:
>From: bea...@primenet.com (David Haber)
>Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne RUINED the Beatles
>Date: 20 Jan 1997 10:49:01 -0700
>In article <5bdrso$7...@goofy.snet.net>, pc...@ipxnet.com (Penny Cash) wrote:
>>Boy, I wish that Jeff Lynee had not produced those two "new" Beatle
>>songs. He mad it sound EXACTLY like ELO.
>Did the possibility ever occur to you that the Threetles LIKE the ELO sound,
>and specifically got Jeff Lynne and told him, "Make this sound like
>those..."? So, yes, it's Jeff Lynne's sound, but the Threetles' vision.
>Besides, it's the other way 'round. ELO sounds like the Beatles.
> -Dave
I'd have to agree. Over the summer I picked up ELO's greatest hits, and
found to my surprise that several songs reminded me very much of Abbey Road --
like Maxwell Silver Hammer....
Don.
rasm...@aol.com
>You said it right, he is a NUT. People kill people,
>GUNS DON'T KILL BY THEMSELVES!
Yes, People WITH GUNS kill people, much easier than almost any other way.
And a lot more accidents, too.
Cheesylein
What surprised me was that I guess Paul was really reluctant to let Jeff
Lynne produce the Beatles songs but now he is prominantly producing on
Pauls new album! Not at all like the Phil Spector producing, where the
John and George used him on solo albums but Paul certainly wouldnt
Kain
> I should "study the facts first," eh? (Oh, ghod, I _am_ turning into a
> cheesehead! :) ) Ever hear of Procol Harum? Gentle Giant? The Nice?
> Kraftwerk? King Crimson? Yes (before that abysmal "Tales of Toby's
> Graphic Go-cart")?
Yeah! I LOVE King Crimson's first album! It's a shame they're not very
well known, anyone have any theories on why? Robert Fripp was a really
good guitarist in my opinion, even though most of what he did was
accompaniment. Those of you who own "In the Court of the Crimson King",
screen out the guitar and just listen to it. It's cool. Those of you
who don't own it, I recommend it (but that doesn't mean you have to like
them.)
John Patrick Riley
Rutles 909 wrote:
>
> Rob Richardson <8ri...@mailserver.epsctl.uk.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> >Bruce Dumes wrote:
>
> >obviously know nothing of ELO and the music they produced between
> >1974-1977. Don't make wild accusations and claims without studying the
> >facts first.
>
> >NOT have produced those two new Beatle records.
>
> >HE MADE IT SOUND TOO MUCH LIKE ELO FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!
>
> they did that for pete! that was awful nice of them, i thought that pete
> and the beatles were on bad terms with each other after they brought in
> Ringo, but it's good that they can put it all behind them after all these
> years
>
> I'm dancing in my underware
> And I don't care
> -- Ron Nasty
That humor's the BEST.
babl...@televar.com
In article <19970125205...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
People WITH CARS kill people too, what's your point?
OCEAN DIG
"People WITH CARS kill people too, what's your point?"
Probably that nobody ever concealed a car in the coat and pulled it out on
someone like John in the middle of the night.
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)(SFForever)
Rutles 909
>>Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne RUINED the Beatles
>>Date: 26 Jan 1997 17:36:43 GMT
>>Message-id: <19970126173...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
>>"People WITH CARS kill people too, what's your point?"
>>Probably that nobody ever concealed a car in the coat and pulled it out
on
>>someone like John in the middle of the night.
>>OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
unless it was a fiestiva
When I wake up in the morning I can never really get going untill i have my first piping hot pot of coffee. Sure, I've tried other enemas....
Emo Phillips
rasm...@aol.com
In article <19970126173...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ocea...@aol.com (OCEAN DIG) writes:
>"People WITH CARS kill people too, what's your point?"
>
>Probably that nobody ever concealed a car in the coat and pulled it out
on
>someone like John in the middle of the night.
Thank you for pointing out what should be obvious even to a ladybug.
People who are against gun control are really not worth the time and
effort, though. They are hopeless.
Fried Mind
Maybe it's just me, but I really liked both songs. FAAB reminded me of the
Beatles during their psychedelic period. RL was good enough to be a new
single (and it should have been. A pox upon all you modern radio music
programmers!!)
I only wish there had been a few more......
Andres Torres
Aside from FAAB and Real Love, I (and assuredly others) am
ignorant of Lynne's career. I understand from RMB that he
worked with ELO.
Perhaps a brief list of well-known ELO/Lynne tunes
will provide some background.
Can the enlightened inform?
In advance, thanks.
Andy
babl...@televar.com
In article <19970126214...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> </PRE>
> </BODY>
I'm a law abiding citizen who has owned guns for over twenty years, don't preach
to me about gun control. It is very apparent that you blame all gun owners for
the illegal acts of bad people. Apparently, you know nothing about the safe and
legal ownership of firearms, nor have you ever taken a gun safety training
course, based on this, I consider you hopeless.
Bob Stahley
Charles Hagan <UXS...@prodigy.com> wrote:
: What do Procol Harum, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, et al have to do with
: ELO? Did I miss something, or are you thinking ELP (as in Emerson, Lake
: and Palmer), rather than ELO (as in Electric Light Orchestra)? This is a
: Jeff Lynne subject, correct? That would be Jeff Lynne of ELO, not ELP.
If I'd meant ELP, I'd not have mentioned the Nice nor King Crimson,
right?
You don't hear "influences" of the bands I mentioned in Lynne's (as
opposed to Lynne and Wood's) ELO? OK if you don't, but I do, y'see, and,
IMHO, the earlier bands did it better.
That's not to say Jeff Lynne didn't do some very innovative and
interesting stuff in the Idle Race (_The Birthday Party_'s one of my
favorite LPs) and The Move, but (again, IMHO) he used up that bag of
tricks long before _Eldorado_.
But again, YMMV.
(Beatles content? Oh, yeah...)
BTW, I think Jeff Lynne did a wonderful job producing FAAB and RL.
KWise
Bob Stahley <bo...@primenet.com> wrote in article
<5cjtrj$8...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>...
> Charles Hagan <UXS...@prodigy.com> wrote:
> : What do Procol Harum, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, et al have to do
with
> : ELO? Did I miss something, or are you thinking ELP (as in Emerson,
Lake
> : and Palmer), rather than ELO (as in Electric Light Orchestra)?
This is a
> : Jeff Lynne subject, correct? That would be Jeff Lynne of ELO, not
ELP.
>
> If I'd meant ELP, I'd not have mentioned the Nice nor King Crimson,
> right?
Um... my brain may be short-circuiting, but wasn't Greg Lake part of
the early Crimson?
Do I win anything (good) for this? Mono Sgt. Pepper, perhaps?
K. Wise
Charles Hagan
Bob Stahley
KWise <kw...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: Bob Stahley <bo...@primenet.com> wrote in article
: > If I'd meant ELP, I'd not have mentioned the Nice nor King Crimson,
: > right?
: Um... my brain may be short-circuiting, but wasn't Greg Lake part of
: the early Crimson?
Yup. 'Swhy I wouldn't mention both KC and ELP (or the Nice, Keith
Emerson's band prior to ELP): it's be redundent, don't 'cha know :) .
: Do I win anything (good) for this? Mono Sgt. Pepper, perhaps?
How 'bout something even better: the admiration and respect of your
fellow rmb'ers?
No, huh? :)
Bob Stahley
rasm...@aol.com wrote:
: By the way, the answer to your question from before, is that "john and
: yoko" from the wedding album, bears more than a passing resemblence to
: "John and Marsha" by Stan Freberg, from 1951.
Winner. You want some of that "admiration and respect" stuff KWise got?
Oh, yeah, you already have some of that, don't you? :)
(BTW, nice name)
rasm...@aol.com
In article <5cjtrj$8...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Bob Stahley
<bo...@primenet.com> writes:
>That's not to say Jeff Lynne didn't do some very innovative and
>interesting stuff in the Idle Race (_The Birthday Party_'s one of my
>favorite LPs) and The Move, but (again, IMHO) he used up that bag of
>tricks long before _Eldorado_.
I, on the other hand, prefer "Hold On Tight", "Don't Bring Me Down",
and"Rock and Roll is King", as well as the Wilbury's, to anything from
Jeff Lynne's earlier work.
Not that you asked.