Sgt. Pepper Dog Whistle?
DBC
this post:
http://theepicenter.com/board/beatles/messages/958.html
Are they just joking around or is there really a dog whistle on the record? Or
is it just a coincidence that someone's rabid dog went crazy while playing the
record?
~David
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Help support HCW Ltd. - a non-profit movie filming organization!
Write to hcwf...@hotmail.com for more info
Thanks!
Hiphats
>Or
>is it just a coincidence that someone's rabid dog went crazy while playing
>the
>record?
It is not a coincidence, and it is no joke. The original British LP version
(and now on all CD versions) of "Sgt. Pepper" have the dog tone between "A Day
In The Life" and the gibberish "Inner Groove". And yes, we humans can hear the
dog whistle too! I did...all you have to do is turn your volume as high as it
can go until your ears are strong enough to detect the high pitch.
I have heard the pitch with my own ears. What wonders John Lennon did.
"The farther one travels, the less one knows."
-George Harrison (from "The Inner Light")
hips
Jud McCranie
>Are they just joking around or is there really a dog whistle on the record?
There is a high-pitched sound, but it might have been produced
electronically rather than a dog whistle. It isn't that high
either (e.g. not beyond the range of human hearing), I've always
heard it (on the UK version, it was not on the US LP).
sixti...@my-deja.com
---------------------------------------------------------
Everytime I play "A Day In The Life", I notice that between the end of
the song and before the Inner Groove, my microwave oven starts
working by itself.
sixtiesgen
>
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
The Great WaaZoo
Mark Lewisohn, The Complete Beatles recording sessions:
(page109 - recording date: Friday 21 April 1967)
" The Beatles were not finished with Sgt.Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band yet.
Across the spiral of the run-out groove - after the end of the piano chord,
but before the concentric nonsense, John Lennon suggested that they insert a
high pitch whistle especially for dogs, 15 kilocycles, to make them perk up.
"----" It was done at the same pitch as the police dog whistles".
All the repressings did not have the tone and the run-out groove nonsense, with
the cd reissue, they did include it again..
it's (almost) all there, get the book(s)...
whisky TGW
DBC wrote:
--
" How come youre so afraid
of things that don't make any sense to you ?
Bob Dylan - Tarantula
Jud McCranie
>All the repressings did not have the tone and the run-out groove nonsense, with
>the cd reissue, they did include it again..
I have a pressing from the UK that has the runout grove
nonsense, but I have another one that has the nonsense a
fraction off (I don't remember if it was early or late).
The Great WaaZoo
Off what ?, pitch?, is it shorter?, placed different on the record?
(outside the run-out groove?).
Very interesting, please let me know, this might mean there is a 'between'
pressing I know nothing about..
thanks
greetings
whisky TGW
num...@my-deja.com
i think the sound was cut directly into the metal master...
The Great WaaZoo
Mark Lewisohn, The Complete Beatles recording sessions:
(page109 - recording date: Friday 21 April 1967)
The whole story is there....
whisky TGW
num...@my-deja.com wrote:
Danny Caccavo
so.....hence the dog whistle thing...
DC
--
Danny Caccavo
dcac...@nyc.rr.com
"for your information, it IS a baby eagle..."
The Great WaaZoo
remember the chair in the Pepper fade out.....you have to listen very, very
good
and have a very clear copy of the ORIGINAL pressing to hear it...
whisky TGW
Danny Caccavo wrote:
num...@my-deja.com
not....
> remember the chair in the Pepper fade out.....you have to listen
very, very
> good
> and have a very clear copy of the ORIGINAL pressing to hear it...
>
> whisky TGW
>
> Danny Caccavo wrote:
>
> > The thing is, most record players of the day could not reproduce
that tone,
> > so.....hence the dog whistle thing...
> >
> > DC
i think there was some concern for the needle jumping off the
album...remember,this was 1967...
Bob Stahley
AFAIK, all pressings of the UK SPLHCB LP contain the "inner groove"
information (including the 15KhZ tone). Different pressing masters, tho,
have its beginning at differing points on the vinyl, so its presented with
varying levels of success (the information is "cut off" too early or or
too late before the inner groove "meets itself" as it were).
AFAIK, no US pressing of SPLHCB has ever contained the "inner groove"
information. A possible possible exception, tho, is the late eighties
digital-master vinyl release, which, if it did include the "inner groove
stuff, would have, I believe, included it only in the body of the LP, not
in the actual "inner groove." I'm just making a informed speculation
about this, tho, not having actually heard or seen this particular vinyl
release. Anyone have any factual info to support or refute?
--
__ __
_) _) bo...@primenet.com Deck us all with Boston Charlie
__)__) 'Tosa, Witzend Walla-Walla, Wash, and Kalamazoo!
Bob Stahley
: The thing is, most record players of the day could not reproduce that tone,
: so.....hence the dog whistle thing...
There was a whole lot of misinformation about it, as well: IIRC, Jeff
Russell, for example, refers to it as a 20KhZ tone, and Neville Stannard
decribed it as a 17KhZ tone. Certainly most home equipment of that era
wouldn't have been able to reproduce either of those tones. But 15KhZ?
Granted, most mono box players wouldn't have been able to touch it, but
(and please correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't the average stereo console
of the mid-sixties, even with a ceramic cartridge, have had a high-end of
at least 15Khz?
And yes, I agree: the odds of SPLHCB being played on yer mom's
three-hunnerd dollar blond-wood Early-American stereo console in the
living room was far, far less than it was that it'd be played on your
$19.95 mono box player in yer bedroom.
num...@my-deja.com
Bob Stahley <bo...@primenet.com> wrote:
> Jud McCranie <jud.mc...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> : The Great WaaZoo <V....@speed.A2000.nl> wrote:
> : >All the repressings did not have the tone and the run-out groove
nonsense, with
> : >the cd reissue, they did include it again..
> : I have a pressing from the UK that has the runout grove
> : nonsense, but I have another one that has the nonsense a
> : fraction off (I don't remember if it was early or late).
>
> AFAIK, all pressings of the UK SPLHCB LP contain the "inner groove"
> information (including the 15KhZ tone). Different pressing masters,
tho,
> have its beginning at differing points on the vinyl, so its presented
with
> varying levels of success (the information is "cut off" too early or
or
> too late before the inner groove "meets itself" as it were).
I bought a UK pressing of Pepper in the late Seventies....no 15khz tone
or runout groove...
Jud McCranie
>Off what ?, pitch?, is it shorter?,
IIRC, it didn't start when the needle first entered the inner
grove, so part of it was cut off, so you'd get part of it,
silence, part of it, silence, etc. I could be wrong, since it
has been about 15 years since I played it.
Right now I don't remember if it was mono or stereo, UK or
Japaneese, etc.
Jud McCranie
>AFAIK, all pressings of the UK SPLHCB LP contain the "inner groove"
>information (including the 15KhZ tone). Different pressing masters, tho,
>have its beginning at differing points on the vinyl, so its presented with
>varying levels of success (the information is "cut off" too early or or
>too late before the inner groove "meets itself" as it were).
Yes, I think I have one that cuts off too early (and one that is
right).
The Great WaaZoo
I do remember someone telling me that that happened, the needle
jumping...
I did try it out on a 'old' portable player my mother still has, no
problem there..
I'll stick to my sl-1200...
greetings
whisky TGW
Bob Stahley
: I bought a UK pressing of Pepper in the late Seventies....no 15khz tone
: or runout groove...
Interesting. I've owned three in my lifetime: one bought in the winter of
1970-71, one bought in the mid-seventies (to replace the theft of the
first), one bought in '82 or so as part of the blue box, and all contained
the inner groove info, albeit different matrix pressings quite noticable
in the case of the second and third, so differing was the effect.
I believe I own the the latter two still, and can report on the matrix
numbers.
Do you still have that UK pressing _sans_ "inner groove" and maybe we can
compare numbers?
Or is this "sometimes yes, sometimes no" deal with the UK SPLHCB LPs
common knowledge and I just don't know it?
For the record: the "inner grove" info is, IIRC, included on my Japanese
pressing (purchased as part of the Japanese pressing of the "blue box"),
but included in the body of the LP, not in the inner groove.
Ghod, why the hell would anyone care about such minutiae? :)
The Great WaaZoo
> Jud McCranie <jud.mc...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> : The Great WaaZoo <V....@speed.A2000.nl> wrote:
> : >All the repressings did not have the tone and the run-out groove nonsense, with
> : >the cd reissue, they did include it again..
> : I have a pressing from the UK that has the runout grove
> : nonsense, but I have another one that has the nonsense a
> : fraction off (I don't remember if it was early or late).
>
> AFAIK, all pressings of the UK SPLHCB LP contain the "inner groove"
> information (including the 15KhZ tone). Different pressing masters, tho,
> have its beginning at differing points on the vinyl, so its presented with
> varying levels of success (the information is "cut off" too early or or
> too late before the inner groove "meets itself" as it were).
I must have a listen to the ones I have.. I never noticed it starting earlier on any
copy
of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Lp (I have 108 diff. pressings from
lot's of countries..)
> AFAIK, no US pressing of SPLHCB has ever contained the "inner groove"
> information. A possible possible exception, tho, is the late eighties
> digital-master vinyl release, which, if it did include the "inner groove
> stuff, would have, I believe, included it only in the body of the LP, not
> in the actual "inner groove." I'm just making a informed speculation
> about this, tho, not having actually heard or seen this particular vinyl
> release. Anyone have any factual info to support or refute?
>
>
I don't know of the reissue, I bought one sealed, and that's the way I'll keep that
one..
But Marl Lewisohn states in the complete sessions that reissues did not have the inner
groove or the 15khz tone, and the few seventies copy's I've got, including a
Yugoslavian one,
do not contain either the 15khz tone or the innergroove nonsense..
I'll keep looking.....
whisky TGW
>
> __ __
> _) _) bo...@primenet.com Deck us all with Boston Charlie
> __)__) 'Tosa, Witzend Walla-Walla, Wash, and Kalamazoo!
Robert Alley
lstoll wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Hiphats wrote:
> >
> > And yes, we humans can hear the dog whistle too! I did...all you
> > have to do is turn your volume as high as it can go until your
> > ears are strong enough to detect the high pitch.
> >
> > I have heard the pitch with my own ears. What wonders John
> > Lennon did.
>
> Why do you think it was John's doing? Anyone know
> how it came about? -laura
I think both the inner groove gabble & the dog whistle were Paul's idea.
With the dog whistle, he thought it would be neat if, when the record
is played in peoples' houses, that each time the album finished their
dogs would suddenly perk up & stare at the record speakers. He was
probably inspired by the old "his master's voice" gramophone ads from
way back when.
lstoll
Robert Alley wrote:
>
> > > I have heard the pitch with my own ears. What wonders John
> > > Lennon did.
> >
> > Why do you think it was John's doing? Anyone know
> > how it came about? -laura
>
> I think both the inner groove gabble & the dog whistle were Paul's idea.
> With the dog whistle, he thought it would be neat if, when the record
> is played in peoples' houses, that each time the album finished their
> dogs would suddenly perk up & stare at the record speakers. He was
> probably inspired by the old "his master's voice" gramophone ads from
> way back when.
That's vaguely what I remember hearing ages and ages
ago (no idea where), but someone here said that
according to Lewisohn the dog whistle was John's
idea, so who knows. Either way it ain't exactly the
orchestral build up of ADITL :-) -laura
The Great WaaZoo
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Hiphats wrote:
> >
> > And yes, we humans can hear the dog whistle too! I did...all you
> > have to do is turn your volume as high as it can go until your
> > ears are strong enough to detect the high pitch.
> >
> > I have heard the pitch with my own ears. What wonders John
> > Lennon did.
>
> Why do you think it was John's doing? Anyone know
> how it came about? -laura
Mark Lewisohn, The Complete Beatles recording sessions:
(page109 - recording date: Friday 21 April 1967)
The whole story is there....
whisky TGW
Jud McCranie
>There was a whole lot of misinformation about it, as well: IIRC, Jeff
>Russell, for example, refers to it as a 20KhZ tone, and Neville Stannard
>decribed it as a 17KhZ tone. Certainly most home equipment of that era
>wouldn't have been able to reproduce either of those tones. But 15KhZ?
It does seem to be 15KHz. Tonight I finally got around to doing
something I've thought about doing for years. I don't have the
equipment to measure the frequency directly, but slowing a 15KHz
tone down by a factor of 4 lowers it 2 octaves, so it should be
slightly higher than the high A# on a piano. My Piano isn't
exactly in tune, but it does seem to be close enough to verify
that it is 15KHz.
Stephen Carter
<V....@speed.A2000.nl> wrote:
>I must have a listen to the ones I have.. I never noticed it starting earlier on any
>copy of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Lp (I have 108 diff. pressings from
>lot's of countries..)
Isn't that just the teeniest weeniest bit extreme? :-)
--
st...@stephencarterNOSPAM.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
The Great WaaZoo
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:08:25 +0100, The Great WaaZoo
> <V....@speed.A2000.nl> wrote:
>
> >I must have a listen to the ones I have.. I never noticed it starting earlier on any
> >copy of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Lp (I have 108 diff. pressings from
> >lot's of countries..)
>
> Isn't that just the teeniest weeniest bit extreme? :-)
>
Yes it is,............ but I like it !,
it's just the main focus of the'collecting fever' within my collection.
I love the album, and would like to have a version out of every country that it
was released in, both the Mono & Stereo copy...
I guess it's just the way one collect's (It is a bit nuts, but I do know that..)
If you know of an Indian or Jamaican one let me know... :-)
Greetings,
whisky TGW
Jud McCranie
>Yes it is,............ but I like it !,
>it's just the main focus of the'collecting fever' within my collection.
>I love the album, and would like to have a version out of every country that it
>was released in, both the Mono & Stereo copy...
>I guess it's just the way one collect's (It is a bit nuts, but I do know that..)
>
>If you know of an Indian or Jamaican one let me know... :-)
And now you're only up to the Is and Js!
I went through a phase of collecting Beatle LPs from various
countries. All are 15-20 years old and are in mint or near mint
condition. What is the typical value of one of them today?
Gonzo Grrl
God, I love this Pepper myth shit!
(Fisher Stereo System with subwoofers, first pressing, Doubleday Records/
Books on Fifth Avenue, the one with the listening booths... those were
the daze)
Franny
--
We don't see things as they are,
We see them as *we* are.
~Anais Nin (1903-1977)
~~
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
CD Update • New URL for 2001
Yuri
The what?
sodium
Yuri <yu...@communityweb.net> wrote in message
news:t4t7a6f...@corp.supernews.com...
> > remember the chair in the Pepper fade out.....
> > whisky TGW
>
> The what?
its part of the conspiracy to keep these beatles artifacts from you,
yuri..:)
there's a chair squeaking on the fade of the 45second of reverb from the
massive E chord.
Johnny Dupe
At the very end of "A Day In The Life" with the crashing piano chord,
the engineers decided to turn the compression and volume up as high as
they possibly could, so that chord could sustain as long as possible.
But what turning up the compression and volume did was amplify little
studio noises, and if you listen closely with headphones at the very
end, you can hear a chair being moved.
--
-John W.
My rare Beatles tapes in mp3: http://www.egroups.com/files/johnscloset
Also check out johnscloset2, 3, and 4
The Great WaaZoo
Depends very much on the county of origin...
Yuri
"Johnny Dupe" <du...@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:3A4EC5...@noreply.com...
Thanks for the info. Now would you know if this was supposed to go to
real Francie or the forger? The last message was looking a bit long, and I
didn't have time to download the whole thing. Ask around and see if you can
find out what I missed.
From: "marek boylove" <mare...@anonymous.to>
To: <ma...@eotworld.com>; <frn...@netscape.net>;
<the_mode...@excite.com>; <yu...@communityweb.net>
Cc: <ma...@eotworld.com>; <frn...@netscape.net>;
<the_mode...@excite.com>; <yu...@communityweb.net>
Date: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:13 PM
------------------------------------------------------------
Hey you! Claim your FREE anonymous email account:
Click Here -> http://www.anonymous.to