Lennon's last's words
Astrid
hospital, they were: "I'm John Lennon". This was is response
to the question by the officer.
little_mi...@my-deja.com
were spoken.
In article <39E1B985...@aol.com>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Donz5
>my understanding was that he was killed instantly - and that no words
>were spoken.
Nope; he was barely conscious while in the back of the police car. The
policeman was trying to keep him conscious by asking him who he was.
billb...@my-deja.com
I remember reading it slightly different. His last words were to Yoko,
he said "I know I've been shot." Then the policeman in the car asked
"Are you really John Lennon?", at which John answered "uh-huh" in the
affirmitive. Then the cop said John groaned and was silent after that -
probably unconscious.
Bill
abby
like "Strawberry Fields Forever - The Story of John Lennon". Anyway,
there was an account of what was said at the time.... don't know how
accurate it is. Does anyone have the book?
abby
Richard Watkinson
billb...@my-deja.com wrote:
This is about right but it could have been...
'Oh no I've been shot' or 'Yoko I've been shot' or even 'Oh god..' the
'I've been shot' bit is definite.
As to John's final words in the police car all we know for sure is that
John made an affirmative of some kind to his name. You can imagine a
typical American cop with someone claiming to be John Lennon on the
point of death - Oh yeah and I'm Mickey Mouse. I'm not trying to be
flippant here but trying to put things in perspective.
I must say I find this discussion very distasteful and in posting the
above am hoping to put an end to it.
Richard
billb...@my-deja.com
Richard Watkinson <rwa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> This is about right but it could have been...
>
> 'Oh no I've been shot' or 'Yoko I've been shot' or even 'Oh god..' the
> 'I've been shot' bit is definite.
>
> As to John's final words in the police car all we know for sure is
that
> John made an affirmative of some kind to his name. You can imagine a
> typical American cop with someone claiming to be John Lennon on the
> point of death - Oh yeah and I'm Mickey Mouse. I'm not trying to be
> flippant here but trying to put things in perspective.
>
> I must say I find this discussion very distasteful and in posting the
> above am hoping to put an end to it.
Yes, I don't mean to dwell on it either but I'd like to be accurate. I
couldn't find the quote "I know I've been shot". I thought Yoko had
quoted John saying that. Anyway, these are the articles I read at the
time:
From the Los Angeles Times, Dec. 9-1980 (John J. Goldman)
One of the first policemen to respond to the radio call of a man shot
about 11:00 p.m. was James Moran. Lennon was carried from the Dakota
into Moran's radio car, which rushed, siren wailing and red lights
flashing, to the hospital. "I asked him if he was John Lennon," Moran
said. "He nodded." Moran said Lennon moaned as he was rushed to the
hospital. Police said they had not waited for an ambulance or a
paramedic because Lennon was so gravely wounded.
From the Los Angeles Times, Dec. 11, 1980 (Robert Hilburn)
"It was so sudden...so sudden," Ono said, recalling the Monday night
horror. "We had planned to go out to eat after leaving the recording
studio but we decided to go straight home instead. We were walking to
the entrance of the building when I heard the shot," she continued. "I
didn't realize at first that John had been hit. He kept walking. Then,
he fell and I saw the blood."
From UPI, Dec. 10, 1980 (no credit)
"We have a gunshot wound to the chest," a police officer yelled as he
ran into the emergency room of Roosevelt Hospital moments before John
Lennon arrived. "When is it coming in?" one of the medical staff asked.
"It's hitting the door now," the officer said. That was how Alan Weiss,
an ABC news producer, recalled the scene in the emergency room about
11:05 p.m. Monday as Lennon was brought in for treatment.
Weiss was on a rolling bed in the hallway of the emergency room being
examined after a Central Park motorcycle accident. "Then the doors fly
open and six or eight cops come running in - more like trotting -
around this stretcher," he said. "It's John Lennon," one police officer
whispered to another, Weiss said. Yoko Ono was escorted into the
emergency room under the arms of a leather-jacketed police officer.
"She must have been in a state of shock. There were no tears, just a
puzzled look," Weiss said. Weiss got off his bed and hobbled down the
hall to telephone his newsroom. Passing the bay Lennon was in, he could
see a man surrounded by doctors and nurses with police officers
standing by.
After Weiss made his call, he limped back past the bay and saw that
Lennon had been stripped of his clothes and the medical team was
feverishly working around the upper part of his body. About 11:40 p.m.
he heard Yoko Ono's voice. "It wasn't just a scream - it was a shriek,
'Oh no, no, no! Oh, no!' She kept screaming it over and over," he said.
About 11:45 p.m., the police officers carried out Lennon's clothes in a
brown bag. Weiss was treated and released.
Donz5
>You can imagine a
>typical American cop with someone claiming to be John Lennon on the
>point of death - Oh yeah and I'm Mickey Mouse. I'm not trying to be
>flippant here but trying to put things in perspective.
I don't see it that way at all. This wasn't a "Hey, John, while you're dying,
could you sign this for my wife, who's a great fan of yours" moment. This was
and is standard operating procedure; the cop would have asked John Doe the same
or similar question: "Do you know who you are?" -- simply to keep the victim
conscious and alive and nothing more nefarious than that.
Nurktwn
John Doe the same or similar question: "Do you know who you are?" -- simply
to keep the victim conscious and alive and nothing more nefarious than that.
That's right, Don; it's something people are trained to do in advanced life
support classes.
And it's what makes that line in McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio" all the
more poignant.
d.
> As to John's final words in the police car all we know for sure is that
> John made an affirmative of some kind to his name. You can imagine a
> typical American cop with someone claiming to be John Lennon on the
> point of death - Oh yeah and I'm Mickey Mouse. I'm not trying to be
> flippant here but trying to put things in perspective.
You seem to have formed your opinion of American emergency services from
watching "Car 54, Where Are You?" or something.
It is standard procedure for law enforcement and emergency personnel to ask a
trauma victim who they are. It serves several purposes, not least of which is
to get an general idea of the victim's state of conciousness. It also works to
give the victim something on which to focus.
> I must say I find this discussion very distasteful and in posting the
> above am hoping to put an end to it.
Paul McCartney found the subject fascinating. Listen to "Do You Know Who You
Are?", which is on the Liverpool Oratorio. The core of the lyrics to this piece
were written in reaction to reading about John's last words.
--
northcut at mindspring dot com
Three ornaments of wisdom: abundance of knowledge, a number of precedents,
to employ good counsel -the Triads of Ireland
Poshdemon
YES... was the last word...
Steve Hawk
> There was a book I read years ago, I think it was called something
> like "Strawberry Fields Forever - The Story of John Lennon". Anyway,
> there was an account of what was said at the time.... don't know how
> accurate it is. Does anyone have the book?
>
>
> abby
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
OK. Here's what was said: Officer James Moran said,"Are you John Lennon?";
John said, "Yeah."
Steve
"life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend."
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Steve_Hawk/
Ltb3105
Why is everyone feuding over what exact words were or were not said? The man
is dead, nothing can change that.....
Why be so morbid?
Laura
Astrid
Picasso's Last words. Also a Paul song I think. We are interested in all facets
of JL. Even his last words.
HughMunn
Astrid <Akir...@ascs.com> wrote:
> Drink to me....Drink to my health...you know I can't drink anymore.
> Picasso's Last words. Also a Paul song I think. We are interested in
all facets of JL. Even his last words.
Sir Barb Alan Atkinson
Sir Barb Alan Atkinson
Donz5 wrote:
> Richard Watkinson rwa...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
>
> >You can imagine a
> >typical American cop with someone claiming to be John Lennon on the
> >point of death - Oh yeah and I'm Mickey Mouse. I'm not trying to be
> >flippant here but trying to put things in perspective.
>
> I don't see it that way at all. This wasn't a "Hey, John, while you're dying,
> could you sign this for my wife, who's a great fan of yours" moment. This was
> and is standard operating procedure; the cop would have asked John Doe the same
> or similar question: "Do you know who you are?" -- simply to keep the victim
> conscious and alive and nothing more nefarious than that.
Exactly, besides asking a semi comatose victim if they know who they are, they also
typically ask if they know where they are.
Barb
Donz5
>I found this thread to be distasteful and rather morbid.
>Why is everyone feuding over what exact words were or >were not said?
I never got the impression that any of us are "feuding"; we're simply trying to
get an historical fact accurate. How is that "distasteful?"
Diana-s Ghost Writer
>Drink to me....Drink to my health...you know I can't drink anymore.
>Picasso's Last words. Also a Paul song I think. We are interested
>in all facets of JL. Even his last words.
Bingo. Also, last words are often the last experience one has on earth.
- - - - -
Though lovers be lost love shall not
And death shall have no dominion.
-- Dylan Thomas
Ltb3105
>
The feuding isn't distasteful....the subject is.......down to the "last
word".......it's morose......
Laura
Donz5
>> How is that "distasteful?"
>
Again, I question the premise of your claim that there was "feuding" regarding
this. That you consider this "morose" is, of course, your opinion. But if
others wish to get the facts straight, then I see no problem with that.
GROOVYTOY
He was talking about it in a magazine article.. Right before he did a private
concert for The Prince & Princess Diane..
He was playing with Elvis Costello.. But the song hasn't been officially
released.. Paul thought it was odd... He could just imagine John's response..
huzzlewhat
groo...@aol.com (GROOVYTOY) wrote:
It's a beautiful song, and has been released as part of the Liverpool
Oratorio. Best, though, to find it in the beautiful version from the
concert at the palace. It was beautiful anyway, but when you know what
inspired it, it's downright goosebump-inducing.
The lyrics begin,
Do you know who you are
As you lie there sleeping?
Take the time to rest your troubled head.
I will watch over you
'Til the moment you awake
I will stay by your side . . .
Hazel
--
"And Stella the little fairy wore a little hat, that she
could see through! And Mary the little fairy wore a
little shawl, that kept her warm."
nowhere man
> In article <20001011211533...@ng-ca1.aol.com>,
> groo...@aol.com (GROOVYTOY) wrote:
>
> > Paul actually wrote a song about that..
> > He was talking about it in a magazine article.. Right before he did a private
> > concert for The Prince & Princess Diane..
> > He was playing with Elvis Costello.. But the song hasn't been officially
> > released.. Paul thought it was odd... He could just imagine John's response..
>
> It's a beautiful song, and has been released as part of the Liverpool
> Oratorio. Best, though, to find it in the beautiful version from the
> concert at the palace. It was beautiful anyway, but when you know what
> inspired it, it's downright goosebump-inducing.
>
> The lyrics begin,
>
> Do you know who you are
> As you lie there sleeping?
> Take the time to rest your troubled head.
> I will watch over you
> 'Til the moment you awake
> I will stay by your side . . .
>
> Hazel
I am trying without success to retrace and find the song title in the
thread........this sounds like a beautiful song.
Anyone kknow if it is on Napster?
Will
huzzlewhat
<william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
d. mentioned it in one of her posts -- it's "Do You Know Who You Are?" In
the framework of the Oratorio, it's sung by a nurse to a female patient,
so the reference to Lennon only goes so far. ;-) But Paul has been quite
upfront about the initial inspiration for the song coming from the last
words John heard.
In fact . . . let's see if I can . . . yes! Managed to put my fingers on
the article. It's from Musician magazine, August 1995 issue, by Bill
Flanagan. Excerpt as follows:
You would expect such a song to be lost outside of the bigger concept for
which it was conceived, but 'Do You Know Who You Are?' actually became
stronger when set off by itself. The title came from the words a
policeman said to the dying John Lennon as he was being rushed to
Roosevelt Hospital. They were presumably the last words Lennon ever heard.
When you know that, the entire song becomes vivid. It might or might not
have been intentional on McCartney's part that the series of crises
flowing in and out of the fading consciousness of the character in the
song -- a mother being struck down by a car, an unborn baby struggling to
hang onto life, a husband who goes off on a drunken weekend only to return
and ask forgiveness of his wife -- are probably the same as the emotional
flashpoints of John Lennon's life. That this impressionistic
life-flashing-before-your-eyes lyric is interrupted with a repetition of
the last words Lennon heard as he was dying makes "Do You Know Who You
Are?" vivid, poignant, and a bit shocking at the same time.
McCartney sat down on a folding chair and talked about it. "When I read
the story of John's shooting," he said, "There was a bit in it when he's
in the ambulance going to the hospital, and apparently it's standard
procedure to whoever it is who's been shot or injured, 'Do you know who
you are?' Which I thought was very ironic to ask John. I could almost
imagine him laughing. 'Oh God, the final irony!' 'Do you know who you
are?' 'Yeah, I'm John Lennon.' So I always remembered that phrase and I
worked it into the oratorio."
Ehtue
Thanks, Hazel, for digging up the contex. I hadn't know that before and it
makes listening to that piece a much more rewarding experience.... gives it a
meaning for me that was missing.
-Ehtue
huzzlewhat
(Ehtue) wrote:
>
> Thanks, Hazel, for digging up the contex. I hadn't know that before and it
> makes listening to that piece a much more rewarding experience.... gives it a
> meaning for me that was missing.
You're very welcome, Ehtue . . . I'm not a big fan of the Oratorio, but I
do love that piece of music.
Astrid
trouble-makeing prankster in grade school and a teacher stops him in his tracks,
"Who do you think you are young man?" The defiant little boy with chest stuck
out, "I'm John Lennon!" Begin movie.
Astrid
nowhere man
Hazel, this post has only shown up on my server today. Thanks ever so much for
taking the time to go and dig this out.....much appreciated.
I had a look through Napster using the words Oratorio and McCartney.....to no
avail.
That is a wonderful little story. It makes coming to RMB a worthwhile
experience. I wasn't aware of the song or its background. It would be lovely to
hear if any demos exist. Maybe they wouldn't given the context of the final
arrangement. Is the tune nice?
The other song which Paul wrote around John is one of my McCart faves of all
time. Here Today would bring a tear in all but those made of stone.
Thanks,
Will
d.'s Ghost Writer
<william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
> may I ask if you collected primarily Beatle boots?
Yes, nearly all of them are. I also have some REM, Bob Dylan, Grateful Dead
(those were gifts, but they're not too bad) and a few other artists. Or did.
But most of them are Beatles-related. Through most of the 90's I "specialized"
in McCartney solo bootlegs. Probably 60% of my Beatles stuff is Paul-centric.
> I started collecting while at uni in the 1980s. 98 per cent are
> Beatle/lennon boots. I can still recall the wonder of hearing this 'new' material back
> in the 80s. Warmed my heart. Listening to John in the studio was awesome.
Yes, I stumbled across bootlegs quite by accident at a very young age. Was
rummaging through a used record shop around 1979 and saw some records that
looked "homemade." They were, specifically, Melvin Records, bootleggers who
were actually from my area (I found out many years later) and their releases
were numerous in this particular little shop. The folks at Melvin were
especially good about printing decent track listings, and when I read the record
sleeves I figured out what was going on pretty quick. I was young, but not
stupid. ;)
d.'s Ghost Writer
<william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
> That is a wonderful little story. It makes coming to RMB a worthwhile
> experience. I wasn't aware of the song or its background. It would be
> lovely to hear if any demos exist. Maybe they wouldn't given the context of the
> final arrangement. Is the tune nice?
Yes.
There's an excellent version of it (sung by Sallie Burgess) on the bootleg "A
Royal Performance," which was recorded at a show Paul organized at the Royal
College of Music in March of 1995. This is a great bootleg all around, well
worth tracking down.
nowhere man
> In article <39E74FE6...@lineone.net>, nowhere man
> <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> > That is a wonderful little story. It makes coming to RMB a worthwhile
> > experience. I wasn't aware of the song or its background. It would be
> > lovely to hear if any demos exist. Maybe they wouldn't given the context of the
> > final arrangement. Is the tune nice?
>
> Yes.
>
> There's an excellent version of it (sung by Sallie Burgess) on the bootleg "A
> Royal Performance," which was recorded at a show Paul organized at the Royal
> College of Music in March of 1995. This is a great bootleg all around, well
> worth tracking down.
thanks dorothy for the info.
You know this is the first time I have ever heard you talk of A bootleg. If you're not
careful next thing you'll know you'll be visiting me multitracker site ;3)
Okay, off to Napster in the hope that this mp3 is up there.
Thanks again,
Will
d.'s Ghost Writer
<william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
> You know this is the first time I have ever heard you talk of A bootleg.
Heh. I used to post about bootlegs all the time, before this place changed so
much. I also used to have reviews and a couple of articles up at Harald
Gernhardt's site, years ago. I don't know if they're still there.
I started collecting bootlegs when I was about 13. I probably have somewhere in
the neighborhood of 130-150, including vinyl and tapes. There'd be more, but I
had to rein in the collecting a few years ago due to financial reasons.
Will
> In article <39E7A4C1...@lineone.net>, nowhere man
> <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> > You know this is the first time I have ever heard you talk of A bootleg.
>
> Heh. I used to post about bootlegs all the time, before this place changed so
> much. I also used to have reviews and a couple of articles up at Harald
> Gernhardt's site, years ago. I don't know if they're still there.
>
> I started collecting bootlegs when I was about 13. I probably have somewhere in
> the neighborhood of 130-150, including vinyl and tapes. There'd be more, but I
> had to rein in the collecting a few years ago due to financial reasons.
may I ask if you collected primarily Beatle boots?
I started collecting while at uni in the 1980s. 98 per cent are Beatle/lennon
boots. I can still recall the wonder of hearing this 'new' material back in the
80s. Warmed my heart. Listening to John in the studio was awesome.
I can recall making a copy for a fellow Beatle nut at uni. She swore that the song
You Gotta Serve Yourself was not John lennon. It was THAT new and unheard. No she
said that's not John lennon. Wonderful memories.
Will
Will
> In article <39E7B261...@lineone.net>, Will
> <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> > may I ask if you collected primarily Beatle boots?
>
> Yes, nearly all of them are. I also have some REM, Bob Dylan, Grateful Dead
> (those were gifts, but they're not too bad) and a few other artists. Or did.
> But most of them are Beatles-related. Through most of the 90's I "specialized"
> in McCartney solo bootlegs. Probably 60% of my Beatles stuff is Paul-centric.
did you collect much of the recent Paul bootleg stuff? The Pepperland material is good.
> > I started collecting while at uni in the 1980s. 98 per cent are
> > Beatle/lennon boots. I can still recall the wonder of hearing this 'new' material back
> > in the 80s. Warmed my heart. Listening to John in the studio was awesome.
>
> Yes, I stumbled across bootlegs quite by accident at a very young age. Was
> rummaging through a used record shop around 1979 and saw some records that
> looked "homemade." They were, specifically, Melvin Records, bootleggers who
> were actually from my area (I found out many years later) and their releases
> were numerous in this particular little shop. The folks at Melvin were
> especially good about printing decent track listings, and when I read the record
> sleeves I figured out what was going on pretty quick. I was young, but not
> stupid. ;)
lol
some of the bootleggers make better product than the official folks. Some of it is so well
thought out and packaged.
Will
Will
> >some of the bootleggers make better product than the official folks. Some of
> >it is so well
> >thought out and packaged.
> >
> >Will
>
> I agree with you. However, don't ytou think it's only a tad disingenuous to
> discuss Napster and bootlegs so freely? Afterall, someone might come out one
> day and say, in jest of course, that you're a bigger theif than Fred.
no, I have all my Beatles and solo official releases bought and paid for. Indeed
I have bought some of the releases on as many as three formats across the years
(e.g. tape, vinyl and CD). So nope, I have never done the beats out of as much as
a penny. As for me boots, I don't sell them. Just for my personal enjoyment.
Now as for Fred stealing John's diaries....well, geez, that's something else. By
the way, wouldn't it have made more sense to photocopy and return them? Didn't
some people MAKE MONEY from their theft? ;3)
Will
d.'s Ghost Writer
<william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
> DblFantasy wrote:
>
> > >some of the bootleggers make better product than the official folks.
> > >Some of it is so well thought out and packaged.
> > >
> >
> > I agree with you. However, don't ytou think it's only a tad disingenuous
> > to discuss Napster and bootlegs so freely? Afterall, someone might come out
> > one day and say, in jest of course, that you're a bigger theif than Fred.
>
> no, I have all my Beatles and solo official releases bought and paid for.
> Indeed I have bought some of the releases on as many as three formats across the
> years (e.g. tape, vinyl and CD). So nope, I have never done the beats out of as
> much as a penny. As for me boots, I don't sell them. Just for my personal
> enjoyment.
Excuses, excuses. None of that matters in the eyes of the law. ;)
Will
> In article <39E86797...@lineone.net>, Will
> <william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> > DblFantasy wrote:
> >
> > > >some of the bootleggers make better product than the official folks.
> > > >Some of it is so well thought out and packaged.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree with you. However, don't ytou think it's only a tad disingenuous
> > > to discuss Napster and bootlegs so freely? Afterall, someone might come out
> > > one day and say, in jest of course, that you're a bigger theif than Fred.
> >
> > no, I have all my Beatles and solo official releases bought and paid for.
> > Indeed I have bought some of the releases on as many as three formats across the
> > years (e.g. tape, vinyl and CD). So nope, I have never done the beats out of as
> > much as a penny. As for me boots, I don't sell them. Just for my personal
> > enjoyment.
>
> Excuses, excuses. None of that matters in the eyes of the law. ;)
so where do you hide your bootleg collection then d? ;3)
The Walrus was Danny
d's not a bloody Puritan though is she Billy? You however are. You kick off
at Freddy nicking a few books whilst you have off with all those lovely fab
royalties. Now get thee to a nunnery.
Danny