EBAY ALERT: Beatles Autographs Scam Hits the BIGTIME!
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
ebay Item number: 270333001780
Beatles OUTSTANDING VINTAGE SIGNED FAN CLUB PHOTO CARD!
Seller: perrydcox
This has just been brought to my attention!!! Alert folks!!!
This item is a secretarial, the five fine print points -
1. Harrison does not make triangles with his 'g's and conclude his sig
with a straight line.
2. Paul does not loop his 'P's
3. Ringo's signature looked forced and he doesn't cross his star with
the 'g'
4. Lennon does not end his signature with a 'y', also the 'e' looked
contrived.
5. All the signatures are the same size and slant which is indicative of
one hand which points to an obvious secretarial. A poser (fan club
secretaries) pawing off signatures.
Somebody is going to get ripped off bigtime. Please do a google
search for Frank Caiazzo before buying and authenticated by these hucksters.
Then again, since these two have been at for so long has anybody looked
into the thought that both Frank and Perry are buying vintage pens, fan
club cards, autograph books on ebay and turning out their own little
money making lucrative operation?
BEWARE*BEWARE*BEWARE*BEWARE*BEWARE*BEWARE*
MeatGirl
post? Something smells fishy.....
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
> If you're being honest, why'd you have to use an anonymous remailer to
> post? �Something smells fishy.....
PU
Ralph The Wonder Llama
"If you have visited the website about the lawsuit, www.frankcaiazzolawsuit.com,
you will
see a letter there from Perry Cox, another self-proclaimed expert and
associate of Frank
Caiazzo, trying to raise money for Mr. Caiazzo's defense fund. You
will see that based on
the scan and the history of the album shown that Mr. Cox plainly lied
about the album
being a re-release. We have an e-mail from Mr. Cox admitting he was
wrong - well after
the damage was done."
MeatGirl
innappropriate whining in the newsgroup. The problem, if there ever was
one, is now between the selller and the buyer. Why a third party like
you ever thought taking your complaint public would be a solution to the
situation is a mystery.
The Walrus was Danny
1) Let's see the link
2) I don't see the problem with alerting Fab fans to possible dodgy
autographs, fishy or not - it's commendable to warn people
3) Meatgirl? Who's Meatgirl? Never heard of her. Anononny-mouse
abounds from thrower to throwee, who gives a toss?
4) Don't really see this as inappropriate whining, just warning people
of possible dodgy sigs.
I'm glad I didn't buy it, but then I'd never be able to afford such
items anyway. Anyway you don't take nothing with ya when you die.
Think.
Danny
MeatGirl
is somehow unexpected.
The Walrus was Danny
> Danny, very little you say or do in here makes sense, so your response
> is somehow unexpected.
Don't you mean "Expected", if you think I'm a twat and you don't think
I make sense, and you think my post doesn't make sense, then that
would be expected....wouldn't it?
Maybe I should speel it out for you carefully:
Warning Beatle fans of dodgy signatures on e-bay *is a good thing*.
Clear? Ding-a-ling? Bell time?
Danny
MeatGirl
>
> Don't you mean "Expected", if you think I'm a twat and you don't think
> I make sense, and you think my post doesn't make sense, then that
> would be expected....wouldn't it?
>
> Maybe I should speel it out for you carefully:
>
> Warning Beatle fans of dodgy signatures on e-bay *is a good thing*.
>
> Clear? Ding-a-ling? Bell time?
>
> Danny
And let me "SPEEL" it out for you...
Warning people about an Ebay auction in a newsgroup makes NO SENSE at
all. Especially one where 20 or more people had already made bids.
Nothing said or done in here was going to change the fact that the
autographs were up for sale. Nothing said or done in here was going to
un-do the bids already made. Ultimately it boils down to the buyer and
the seller.
I've had you in my killfile for the past 180 days, hoping when you snuck
back out, you'd be less of a stupid, arrogant twit. I was hoping....
RichL
Gotta go with Danny here (strange, eh?). There could have been some
RMB'ers sucked into the auction. Some of us *are* Beatles fans, after
all.
quickse...@gmail.com
I'm sure Danny really gives a flying fuck, as if you are of any
importance...to somebody he doesn't even know.
The Walrus was Danny
> I'm sure Danny really gives a flying fuck, as if you are of any
I do actually.
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
> And let me "SPEEL" it out for you...
Speel away Tiny Dancer.
>
> Warning people about an Ebay auction in a newsgroup makes NO SENSE at
> all.
..right...
Especially one where 20 or more people had already made bids.
...right....
> Nothing said or done in here was going to change the fact that the
> autographs were up for sale.
....so warning 2000 hard core Beatle fans about dodgy sigs ain't gonna
change anything....Ok ...right...
Nothing said or done in here was going to
> un-do the bids already made. Ultimately it boils down to the buyer and
> the seller.
....right....
>
> I've had you in my killfile for the past 180 days, hoping when you snuck
> back out, you'd be less of a stupid, arrogant twit. I was hoping....
I don't sneak out of KFs, I don't change my handle, you must have
pulled me out...please put me back in.
Arrogant I might be, but at least I'm not thick.
I seem to recall what JL said, in the fan-type questionaires of the
60's, when they asked what he hates the most.
"Thick people".
....and you dear Meaty are fucking thick as two short bricks.
Danny
MeatGirl
> I'm sure Danny really gives a flying fuck, as if you are of any
> importance...to somebody he doesn't even know.
Thanks Danny.
The Walrus was Danny
???
This thread is bizzarring indeed.
Somebody came in an warned people off buying dodgy signatures.
Then MG came in to thwart such terrible behaviour.
Then I came in.
Then MG got her knickers in a twist
Then Rich agreed with me
Then somebody else said I was an uncaring person
Then MG thanked me!
Anybody fancy a quick spin on the hokey cokey? Bagsy I go first.
Danny
RichL
Non scrivetemi
>>autographs, fishy or not - it's commendable to warn people
Correct. Frank Caiazzo and Perry Cox's house of cards are crumbling.
Look at the facts.
1. Any set of Beatles signatures that are authenticated by anybody else
out of the Caiazzo and Cox clan are deemed fakes this is so they can
attach exorbitant prices. Beatles signatures are common, and they're
little scheme (over 20 years) has caused inflated prices.
2. Never send copies of your signatures to Caiazzo and Cox this so they
can build a d-base to cull well let's say, it seems Cox has been selling
many signatures without stating the provenance? Unusual isn't it. Ask
any collector of signatures and the first thing they will ask is for
documented provenance (where it came from).
Both Caiazzo and Cox fail to do that.
>>3) Meatgirl? Who's Meatgirl? Never heard of her. Anononny-mouse
>>abounds from thrower to throwee, who gives a toss?
First of all MeatGirl is posting from Maryland.
Note she fails to provide an email address. As far as i'm concerned
she can kiss my ass.
>>4) Don't really see this as inappropriate whining, just warning people
>>of possible dodgy sigs.
It ain't. Open your eyes people. The Beatles collectibles market is run
by a mafia of dealers who manipulate-inflate the prices of goods at the
expense of the collector. When Perry Cox got into this business with
Jerry Osborne, check the early editions of Osborne's prices guides,
Osborne omitted Beatles record prices so Cox can have his slice of the
pie; his Beatles price guides. Osborne got his slice of the pie by
selling separate Presley price guides. The whole shenanigans has fucked
up the record collectors market that its spawned prices guides for
almost every genre.
Neither one should be trusted. Also ask around but there's a very bitter
battle that some dealers are doing switch outs. For instance you send
dealer A, your first state Beatles butcher cover to authenticate. This
dealer then deems it a fake and sends you back a bootleg, replica,
counterfeit that is called a switch out and in these pressing times is
becoming more prevalent.
So there you have it ladies and gents. The emperors where no clothes.
I wonder if the Taxman is aware of their little profitable operation he
he. So I post here to warn fellow collectors. Be very wary even of so
called reputable dealers.
The Walrus was Danny
> So there you have it ladies and gents. The emperors where no clothes.
> I wonder if the Taxman is aware of their little profitable operation he
> he. So I post here to warn fellow collectors. Be very wary even of so
> called reputable dealers.
...and I see absoluetly nothing wrong with your post. Thanks for the
warning!
Danny
Lidsville Nine
Just jumping in here. Alerts about scams which relate to Beatles fans
have always been appropriate and on topic here. You sound like a
hateful snot. Why would you vent at this guy like that and what makes
you think that your post is in any way on topic? Thumbs down to you.
The Walrus was Danny
> Just jumping in here. Alerts about scams which relate to Beatles fans
> have always been appropriate and on topic here. You sound like a
> hateful snot. Why would you vent at this guy like that and what makes
> you think that your post is in any way on topic? Thumbs down to you.
Apparently I'm an arrogant twit for thinking it's OK that people warn
about scams! I'm an arrogant twit for many things but not for that!
It's like poking me in the eye for applauding the good guys.
Danny
Lizz Holmans
Danny, you have yet to prove you're one of the 'good guys.'
Mama 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'
Flower
--
I stayed up late to hear your voice.
The Walrus was Danny
> Danny, you have yet to prove you're one of the 'good guys.'
>
> Mama 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'
> Flower
On this occasion Liz, I am indeed one of the good guys.
Danny
Lizz Holmans
Then why can't you spell my first name right? Two zeds. Then maybe
I'll believe at least some of what you say.
Lizz 'or the movie I used for my backward interym?' Holmans
The Walrus was Danny
> Then why can't you spell my first name right? Two zeds. Then maybe
> I'll believe at least some of what you say.
You don't believe what I say because I forget to put two Zs in your
name instead of the usual one?
The fact I applaud folk who alert Beatle fans to scams is....
bollocks...because I forget to put two Zs in your name instead of one.
Right.....
Danny
Lizz Holmans
Danny, we could probably be friends if you give up your obsessive
hatred (or the best trolling I've seen, and I've read Archimedes
Plutonium.) about Yoko Ono
Lizz 'I wonder where Sendar Argic went' Holmans
The Walrus was Danny
> >> Then why can't you spell my first name right? Two zeds. Then maybe
> >> I'll believe at least some of what you say.
>
> >You don't believe what I say because I forget to put two Zs in your
> >name instead of the usual one?
> >The fact I applaud folk who alert Beatle fans to scams is....
> >bollocks...because I forget to put two Zs in your name instead of one.
>
> >Right.....
>
> Danny, we could probably be friends if you give up your obsessive
> hatred (or the best trolling I've seen, and I've read Archimedes
> Plutonium.) about Yoko Ono
So we share a usenet group for the best part of ten years, (which is
dedicated to a common interest), and because you don't go along with
my ethos regarding Yoko Ono you don't believe what I say?
I think the Yoke is dire.
I spell your name with one "Z"
Such hidious crimes indeed.
Danny
Lizz Holmans
<dannyist...@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>> Danny, we could probably be friends if you give up your obsessive
>> hatred (or the best trolling I've seen, and I've read Archimedes
>> Plutonium.) about Yoko Ono
Your Yoko Ono is Evil is old, old, old. Wasting all that energy on
someone you don't know, will never know, is ten years too many. And
it's ten years you'll never get back. You're obviously bright, funny,
and you have friends, John Lennon not being one of them. You've traded
on your Cheeky Scouser instead of the talent and intelligence you
possess. If you can make a living as a busker, you could probably do
something more useful and decorative than go on go on go on go
on....if this is really what you do in your middle age, you are
wasting your time and talent. And yeah, I think you must be talented
because busking is a lousy way to make a living.I know you're an
atheist, but I'm not and I don't think this is how the Big Guy wants
you to spend your life. Do you ? Sie might be right,I don't know.
That's the problem--unless you a come up with some reputable cites.
>
>So we share a usenet group for the best part of ten years, (which is
>dedicated to a common interest), and because you don't go along with
>my ethos regarding Yoko Ono you don't believe what I say?
Lots of people don't like Yoko Ono but they don't spend hours
badmouthing her. In fact, although I like her art very much,her
singing drives me crazy. But you know what? I'd rather spend my
leisure time doing stuff that doesn't involve her at all. In fact, I
seldom think of her as John's wife, but as an artist. You may not like
her art, but that doesn't make her the devil incarnate. She's an old
woman who nobody takes seriously but you.You are wasting your time.
You are changing no one's mind.
Let's see--you've as much as accused her of murder by not wanting
bodyguards. You talk constantly about her wealth, but if you fell in
love with a rich girl would you break up with her just because you
aren't rich. Not a lot different than busking, unless you sleep with
your customers and make a lot of money even more money.Well, I don't
believe in voodoo, witchcraft (even though it runs in the my family),
or gossip, So I expect that makes me even more atheistic than you am.
I at least believe in Something.
Danny, you are either one of the best trolls in Usenet history or you
are letting a person you don't know and will never know, control your
time here in rec.music.Beatles. How can this make you happy? Or does
it make you an ordinary bloke with an einredinish (that's Yiddish for
idee fixe. which requires an acute accent I don't know how to do) that
you use to give you a reason to live. Unless you are planning to
outlive her, you're going to have to spend a great deal of grief
because you won't have her to abuse? What will you do then?
You're intelligent, witty, good with words. If this is all the fun you
get out of life, you're wasting time. You've seldom entered a thread
unless it was to insult Yoko Ono, insult someone who says anything
even neutral about Yoko and anyone who is positive about any aspect of
her life you positively persecute..
>
>I think the Yoke is dire.
>I spell your name with one "Z"
Ain't no law about thinking. You've been saying things that you
couldn't possibly know first hand. You know, Tom from the Aerovons
actually met both of them. He doesn't care for her, but then he was
around her for a while. You've never even been in the same building
with John or Yoko.
>
>Such hidious crimes indeed.
Misspelling my name--and I figure you do it on purpose to annoy
me--petty, but trivial to anybody but me. Libelling Yoko in a public
newsgroup--yeah, that's a crime. And the fact that Yoko has not sued
you is not proof it's true; it's just not worth her time. You are not
important to her, and I think that bugs you. Your big secret--Roag
being illegitimate--isn't a big deal either. People do that , you
know- is hurtful, humiilating to the victim and embarrassing but it's
not fucking murder, which you virtually accused ot planning.
I doubt you've reas this far, but it's the way I see it. And it's
true, cos I never spent one second any more than you have.
Lizz " " Holmans
RichL
<Applause!>
You know, I've lost track of the number of people in this newsgroup who
have stepped up to defend Yoko against these sorts of ad-hominem attacks
who are definitely *not* Yoko Ono fans of any sort yet who get labeled
(and therefore dismissed) as Yoko lovers. Count me among them, and now
I see you are too (but I suspected as much previously).
It's not really about Yoko. It's really about decency.
brilton
Well said (but I still don't know who "Sie" is, unless it's the "Sie" in
"Sie Leibt Dich").
Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>Well said (but I still don't know who "Sie" is, unless it's the "Sie" in
>"Sie Leibt Dich").
God is neither male or female. God is male and female. But for some
reason all monotheistic mainstream deities are 'he, him, his.' Just
trying to even the score a lttle bit.
TMIL told me about the German'sie'. I still don't care. Writing he/she
is clumsy and 'it' negates the fact that the light of Christ is in all
of us (or at least that's what Quakers believe, or I wouldn't be one)
even if they aren't Christian. God is imminent and transcendental. God
is alive, magic is afoot.
Julian of Norwich, England's most respected Christian mystic, prayed
to 'Jesus, our mother.'
And that's all I want to talk about my religious beliefs any longer.
If thee is interested, my email addressed hasn't changed in 11 years.
Lizz 'my affection for the Beatles started when I was 11.
Coincidence...or...' Holmans
The Walrus was Danny
we go...
> Your Yoko Ono is Evil is old, old, old. Wasting all that energy on
> someone you don't know, will never know, is ten years too many.
Bashing YO is fun fun fun! It causes me no pain or tiredness at all. I
*enjoy* it!
And
> it's ten years you'll never get back. You're obviously bright, funny,
> and you have friends,
No I have no friends, I'm a horrible person with a smelly rancid
penis. Look mummy I can fly.
John Lennon not being one of them. You've traded
> on your Cheeky Scouser instead of the talent and intelligence you
> possess.
Actually I have no talent. I simply wail and shreak from time to time,
you should hear me do "Fly". Fucking mind-blowing.
If you can make a living as a busker, you could probably do
> something more useful and decorative than go on go on go on go
> on....if this is really what you do in your middle age, you are
> wasting your time and talent. And yeah, I think you must be talented
> because busking is a lousy way to make a living.
Nope. Not even a whelp...talking about talentless people......who
springles to mind? (Hums "listen the snow" is falling to himself)
I know you're an
> atheist, but I'm not and I don't think this is how the Big Guy wants
> you to spend your life.
Sky faries. Goldilocks and the three bears. Tell us a story.
Do you ? Sie might be right,I don't know.
> That's the problem--unless you a come up with some reputable cites.
I prefer my irreputable shite! (Snigger)
>
>
>
> >So we share a usenet group for the best part of ten years, (which is
> >dedicated to a common interest), and because you don't go along with
> >my ethos regarding Yoko Ono you don't believe what I say?
>
> Lots of people don't like Yoko Ono but they don't spend hours
> badmouthing her. In fact, although I like her art very much,her
> singing drives me crazy. But you know what? I'd rather spend my
> leisure time doing stuff that doesn't involve her at all. In fact, I
> seldom think of her as John's wife, but as an artist.
I think of her as the woman who broke up the Beatles.
You may not like
> her art, but that doesn't make her the devil incarnate. She's an old
> woman who nobody takes seriously but you.You are wasting your time.
> You are changing no one's mind.
Not trying to, just enjoying myself.
>
> Let's see--you've as much as accused her of murder by not wanting
> bodyguards. You talk constantly about her wealth, but if you fell in
> love with a rich girl would you break up with her just because you
> aren't rich. Not a lot different than busking, unless you sleep with
> your customers and make a lot of money even more money.Well, I don't
> believe in voodoo, witchcraft (even though it runs in the my family),
> or gossip, So I expect that makes me even more atheistic than you am.
> I at least believe in Something.
...zzzzz....sorry? what?
>
> Danny, you are either one of the best trolls in Usenet history or you
> are letting a person you don't know and will never know, control your
> time here in rec.music.Beatles.
"The best trolls in usenet history"..I like that!
How can this make you happy? Or does
> it make you an ordinary bloke with an einredinish (that's Yiddish for
> idee fixe. which requires an acute accent I don't know how to do) that
> you use to give you a reason to live.
A what? Is that a vegetable?
Unless you are planning to
> outlive her, you're going to have to spend a great deal of grief
> because you won't have her to abuse? What will you do then?
I'm starting to go to sleep again....
>
> You're intelligent, witty, good with words. If this is all the fun you
> get out of life, you're wasting time.
Yeah Liz (one Z this time! I'm feeling mean) all I ever do is go on
rmb...nothing else. Zap. Bang. Vaginas.
You've seldom entered a thread
> unless it was to insult Yoko Ono, insult someone who says anything
> even neutral about Yoko and anyone who is positive about any aspect of
> her life you positively persecute..
Good isn't it?
>
>
>
> >I think the Yoke is dire.
> >I spell your name with one "Z"
>
> Ain't no law about thinking. You've been saying things that you
> couldn't possibly know first hand. You know, Tom from the Aerovons
> actually met both of them. He doesn't care for her, but then he was
> around her for a while. You've never even been in the same building
> with John or Yoko.
Right.....and...?
>
>
>
> >Such hidious crimes indeed.
>
> Misspelling my name--and I figure you do it on purpose to annoy
> me--petty, but trivial to anybody but me.
Now *that's* paranoia! I had no idea speeling your little name with
less Zs kind of affected you so....I shall do my very beast in
furniture. Actually Queenie I've never sought to squeeze your lemon at
all.....until now that is!!
Libelling Yoko in a public
> newsgroup--yeah, that's a crime.
God forbid anyone should diss the Yoke! It's not like she broke up the
fabs or anything!
And the fact that Yoko has not sued
> you is not proof it's true; it's just not worth her time.
Just a tiny soul with an ample knob.
You are not
> important to her, and I think that bugs you. Your big secret--Roag
> being illegitimate--isn't a big deal either.
Some might disagree Queenie, some might disagree.
People do that , you
> know- is hurtful, humiilating to the victim and embarrassing but it's
> not fucking murder, which you virtually accused ot planning.
I am not alone with my suspicions.
>
> I doubt you've reas this far, but it's the way I see it. And it's
> true, cos I never spent one second any more than you have.
>
...and of course meanwhile I must be a twat to applaud scam warners.
Why? Because I have a go at YO.
I'm sensing this is not about me Queenie but about *something else*.
Get a grip Lizz.
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
> You know, I've lost track of the number of people in this newsgroup who
> have stepped up to defend Yoko against these sorts of ad-hominem attacks
What ad hominem attack?
I was having a go at people who diss scam warners. The Fucking Queen
came from bloody nowhere banging on about how I shouldn't be believed.
Mention YO? Me? Never!
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
....who's been eating my porridge?
Danny
RichL
>> who have stepped up to defend Yoko against these sorts of ad-hominem
>> attacks
>
> What ad hominem attack?
>
> I was having a go at people who diss scam warners.
I know, I'm not referring to your post that led to this. I agree with
you on that.
The Walrus was Danny
> I know, I'm not referring to your post that led to this. I agree with
> you on that.
Well then young Richard, you should stroke me and pamper me. Hold me
tenderly and love me with words that sooth.
Sheesh.
Danny
Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks
No, no... the Walrus was *Mercury*.
The 'Yellow Submarine' was Mercury too.
And the 'Fool on the Hill' was a Lighthouse.
'Sgt. Pepper' was a Lighthouse too.
'Imagine' is about Hell - and 'It's a pity' is about suffering in Hell.
In fact, Paul McCartney admits on his latest CD 'The Fireman - Electric
arguments' that he is a Freemason. On the (plastic !) cover we are
supposed to remove, the blue dot says,
No, no sam,
it ain't no anagram.
The anagram of the first line reads,
Mason on
This explains all these Freemason codes present on Beatle records.
The word 'Beatle' is a Freemason code too.
Marc Fluks
The Walrus was Danny
> This explains all these Freemason codes present on Beatle records.
> The word 'Beatle' is a Freemason code too.
>
> Marc Fluks
My arse is a banjo.
Danny