Is it Ringo drumming on Dear Prudence???
Azar
Album, Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence had Paul on drums... I refuse
to accept this for Dear Prudence, the drumming sounds WAY too much like
Ringo's... especially during the drum solo bit during the end, the fills
and the licks are trademark Ringo.... any info?
Azar
That's strange... the drumming still sounds way too much like Ringo's... I don't
think Paul could have created those staggered tom tom fills during the solo,
that's classic Ringo... I've heard Paul's drumming before, such as Back in the
USSR or the Come and Get It demo off Anthology 3, and it doesn't sound as
inventive as it does on Dear Prudence... is it possible Ringo stepped in to
finish off the song at some point? can ANYONE back me on this??
-- Azar
"Fuck tradition"
Ben Okuly
> That's strange... the drumming still sounds way too much like
> Ringo's... I don't
> think Paul could have created those staggered tom tom fills during the
> solo,
> that's classic Ringo... I've heard Paul's drumming before, such as
> Back in the
> USSR or the Come and Get It demo off Anthology 3, and it doesn't sound
> as
> inventive as it does on Dear Prudence... is it possible Ringo stepped
> in to
> finish off the song at some point? can ANYONE back me on this??
No, it is Paul. The group recorded the song when Ringo left the band
for a short time in 1968. Paul also did the drumming on "The Ballad of
John and Yoko," and he did a pretty good job, I think.
Paul has done a lot of the drumming on his solo albums. MCCARTNEY and
MCCARTNEY II were all Paul, as well as most of the drumming on FLAMING
PIE, and I believe he also did the drumming on BAND ON THE RUN. He's
not a bad drummer. I think I read he taught himself how to drum when he
was growing up and his brother had a drum set.
Jeffrey French
> Paul has done a lot of the drumming on his solo albums. MCCARTNEY and
> MCCARTNEY II were all Paul, as well as most of the drumming on FLAMING
> PIE, and I believe he also did the drumming on BAND ON THE RUN. He's
> not a bad drummer. I think I read he taught himself how to drum when
> he was growing up and his brother had a drum set.
Paul is a decent drummer. I remember somewhere reading that Keith Moon
was impressed with the drums on Band On the Run and was surprised when
Paul told him he did them himself.
As for his style sounding like Ringo's... I don't know. Ringo has a
pretty distinctive sound, even to this day. But i wouldn't be surprised
if a little of it rubbed off on Paul after so much time together.
Jeff
that Paul is actually a better Drummer than
Ringo, but that Ringo has more of a
distinct style.
Jeff
Jeff
song "My darkest hour" EXCELLENT!!!!!!
Jeff
Amaranth56
Michael S. Valihora
> Azar wrote:
>
> > That's strange... the drumming still sounds way too much like
> > Ringo's... I don't think Paul could have created those staggered tom tom
> fills during the
> > solo, that's classic Ringo... I've heard Paul's drumming before, such as
>
> > Back in the USSR or the Come and Get It demo off Anthology 3, and it
> doesn't sound
> > as inventive as it does on Dear Prudence... is it possible Ringo stepped
>
> > in to finish off the song at some point? can ANYONE back me on this??
>
> No, it is Paul. The group recorded the song when Ringo left the band
> for a short time in 1968. Paul also did the drumming on "The Ballad of
> John and Yoko," and he did a pretty good job, I think.
>
> Paul has done a lot of the drumming on his solo albums. MCCARTNEY and
> MCCARTNEY II were all Paul, as well as most of the drumming on FLAMING
> PIE, and I believe he also did the drumming on BAND ON THE RUN. He's
> not a bad drummer. I think I read he taught himself how to drum when he
> was growing up and his brother had a drum set.
Yes, Paul has done lots of drumming in his life. Yes, he is a decent
drummer. Yes, Lewisohn says the drumming on Dear Prudence is Paul. No, I
don't think all of it is. I have nothing to back me up except my ears.
I've heard lots of McCartney drumming and if that's him on the second half
of Prudence then he was struck by some sort of drumming muse (the same one
that inspires Ringo, coincidentaly) which then left him never to return.
Those fills are soooo Ringo. That's my opinion and I won't believe
otherwise without a first hand recollection. Now that we've gotten Ringo to
put an end to the recurrent "Blisters on My Fingers" debate we should try
and get this question about Prudence to him.
All My Lovin'
Michael
Scott Goolsby
Paul is an outstanding drummer.
Listen Band On The Run and Jet.
And don't forget, he "suggested" many of the
Beatle drum parts for Ringo.
Michael S. Valihora
Yes, Paul is a good drummer. And he did suggest several Beatle drum
parts. That doesn't mean he had the same style as Ringo or could play
in that style on demand. I don't find the last half of Dear Prudence
outside of Paul's technical ability. I do think it was a style which is
uniquely Ringo. Even if Paul was/is an outstanding/amazing/unparalled
drummer, it doesn't mean he could play in anyone's style he chose. The
end of Prudence just doesn't sound like Paul to me. It sounds a lot
like Ringo.
All My Lovin'
Michael
Azar
Yea, I agree. I've listened to his drumming style from 1967 onwards and the
drumming for the last half of Prudence is definetely Ringo... I've heard some of
those drum patterns from other songs, and those patterns are uniquely Ringo.
Paul couldn't have done them, because it's just not in his style of drumming...
and I have heard a few of his songs with his drumming and I know his style... I
think Lewisohn messed up on this one... also, anyone notice the change in tone
of the drums when the song goes into the wild part? Maybe an overdub by Ringo?
-- Azar
"Fuck tradition"
Mystic Seven
<mic...@fundmonitor.com> wrote:
> Yes, Paul has done lots of drumming in his life. Yes, he is a decent
>drummer. Yes, Lewisohn says the drumming on Dear Prudence is Paul. No, I
>don't think all of it is. I have nothing to back me up except my ears.
>I've heard lots of McCartney drumming and if that's him on the second half
>of Prudence then he was struck by some sort of drumming muse (the same one
>that inspires Ringo, coincidentaly) which then left him never to return.
>Those fills are soooo Ringo. That's my opinion and I won't believe
>otherwise without a first hand recollection. Now that we've gotten Ringo to
>put an end to the recurrent "Blisters on My Fingers" debate we should try
>and get this question about Prudence to him.
>
>All My Lovin'
>
>Michael
I'm almost positive that I'd read in this ng, from a respectable
source, that Ringo did indeed tack on the ending drumming on DP.
Whoever goes to see Ringo at Tower, please do try and ask.
Jeff
than he does his own. Just my opinion.
Any comments?
Jeff
Jeff
wonder who the walrus was, they also make
you want to wonder about other things too
such as did Ringo play some of the drumming
on "Dear prudence"After all, if we didn't
speculate on who did and didn't do what on
their recrdings, this newsgroup would cease
to exist. It's all the speculation that makes
it interesting around here. If we all knew the
answers. we wouldnt be here. We are all here
to speculate as share information and that is
what makes it interesting. Jeff
Danny Caccavo
> I have read that the drumming for the first two tracks of The White
> Album, Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence had Paul on drums... I refuse
> to accept this for Dear Prudence, the drumming sounds WAY too much like
> Ringo's... especially during the drum solo bit during the end, the fills
> and the licks are trademark Ringo.... any info?
I maintain that it is Paul during most of the song, but Ringo at the end
on the repeat of the chorus. Studio records show that Paul did the drums,
and Ringo was out of the country (his two week "quit" period), but it
wasn't mixed until Ringo had rejoined the group. Quite likely that he
overdubbed his part just before the mix.
DC
--
Danny Caccavo (dan...@interport.net)
"Hey, Bee-atle - we shall have fun, eh?"
Danny Caccavo
<sgoo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Paul is an outstanding drummer.
> Listen Band On The Run and Jet.
> And don't forget, he "suggested" many of the
> Beatle drum parts for Ringo.
I wouldn't say "outstanding". He's pretty stiff, actually.
Jeff
really"
I don't know Danny. Paul doesn't always sound
stiff, just part of the time. I couldn't tell how his
drumming was on "Flaming Pie" cause I didn't
like the mixing of the drums, so I just tuned
out. He could be better if he practiced more
but at age 56?
RBrown1985
I'm sure that Paul was influenced by Ringo as a drummer, and Ringo took the
suggestions of Paul and the others in playing on their tracks. Paul does a fine
job drumming throughout the "Band On The Run" album....
PasterFuzz
right handed, and I'm not sure about Paul...But their styles are simular!!
cory
with no other musicians, for his own stuff, whereas on someone else's song
he's be playing with the band. This would make a big difference.
Jeff <answer...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<18210-36...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...
Jon M. Roe
>> >I have read that the drumming for the first two tracks of The White
>> >Album, Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence had Paul on drums... I refuse
>> >to accept this for Dear Prudence, the drumming sounds WAY too much like
>> >Ringo's... especially during the drum solo bit during the end, the fills
>> >and the licks are trademark Ringo.... any info?
>>
>> Lewisohn's Recording Sessions, entry for August 28, 1968, says Paul on drums.
>
>That's strange... the drumming still sounds way too much like Ringo's... I don't
>think Paul could have created those staggered tom tom fills during the solo,
>that's classic Ringo... I've heard Paul's drumming before, such as Back in the
>USSR or the Come and Get It demo off Anthology 3, and it doesn't sound as
>inventive as it does on Dear Prudence... is it possible Ringo stepped in to
>finish off the song at some point? can ANYONE back me on this??
>
I'll back you all the way on this. It ain't Paul at the end - it's
Ringo. Trust your ears. Sometimes, the documentation may be in error
as I believe it is here. Lewisohn is usually right in most cases and
Ringo was "on vacation" during the "documented" sessions for Dear
Prudence but I would bet big money that Ringo overdubbed that back end
after he got back and the documentation of it was lost somehow.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Jon
>-- Azar
>"Fuck tradition"
>
Jon M. Roe
Jon
On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:01:04 GMT, "Michael S. Valihora"
<mic...@fundmonitor.com> wrote:
>Ben Okuly wrote:
>
>> Azar wrote:
>>
>> > That's strange... the drumming still sounds way too much like
>> > Ringo's... I don't think Paul could have created those staggered tom tom
>> fills during the
>> > solo, that's classic Ringo... I've heard Paul's drumming before, such as
>>
>> > Back in the USSR or the Come and Get It demo off Anthology 3, and it
>> doesn't sound
>> > as inventive as it does on Dear Prudence... is it possible Ringo stepped
>>
>> > in to finish off the song at some point? can ANYONE back me on this??
>>
>> No, it is Paul. The group recorded the song when Ringo left the band
>> for a short time in 1968. Paul also did the drumming on "The Ballad of
>> John and Yoko," and he did a pretty good job, I think.
>>
>> Paul has done a lot of the drumming on his solo albums. MCCARTNEY and
>> MCCARTNEY II were all Paul, as well as most of the drumming on FLAMING
>> PIE, and I believe he also did the drumming on BAND ON THE RUN. He's
>> not a bad drummer. I think I read he taught himself how to drum when he
>> was growing up and his brother had a drum set.
>
Jon M. Roe
>Yea, I agree. I've listened to his drumming style from 1967 onwards and the
>drumming for the last half of Prudence is definetely Ringo... I've heard some of
>those drum patterns from other songs, and those patterns are uniquely Ringo.
>Paul couldn't have done them, because it's just not in his style of drumming...
>and I have heard a few of his songs with his drumming and I know his style... I
>think Lewisohn messed up on this one... also, anyone notice the change in tone
>of the drums when the song goes into the wild part? Maybe an overdub by Ringo?
Exactly right. You know, it is possible that the EMI documentation
may be incomplete or in error in a few places - it can't be absolutely
accurate and absolutely complete - and this is a case.
Jeff
Your right Plus the fact when Paul drums for
others, he also doesn't have the distraction
of worrying about composing a song, laying
down the tracks, how other instruments relate
to one another within these tracks as well
as the problem of kind of hearing the finished
product in your head. Since Paul plays alot
of the instruments himself on his own recordings, he doesn't have to
hear how all the
other parts are supposed to go. That's what
I am getting at. By the way, I don't think
Paul and Ringo's style of playing sound anything alike which I realize
sounds weird.
Jeff
Danny Caccavo
answer...@webtv.net (Jeff) wrote:
I was really referring to his drumming in the '60s and '70s....
I always laugh (but in a good way) at the fills in "come and get it".
Ringo inspired, but very stiff. If you listen to the fills in the
Badfinger version, they are the same part, but played with much more
fluidity.
Don't get me wrong, Paul was an OK drummer - for someone who wasn't a drummer.
Danny Caccavo
answer...@webtv.net (Jeff) wrote:
For that matter, Eric Clapton sounds much better when he isn't the frontman..
Jeff
It's kind of funny how we both disagree
of when Paul played his best and worst
but it is ok to disagree. That's what makes
it interesting in here. I have also never seen
you go off on a person for disagreeing with
you. I dont do it either. Having disagreements
makes an interesting discussion as well as
agreeing once in a while. Jeff
Jeff
better when he isn't the frontman"
Danny your right about that. I have also heard
"Harrision play better slide guitar for other
artists too than himself. When all you have to
worry about is playing one instrument, Your
gonna sound better than having all the other
stuff on your mind too.
na
Danny Caccavo wrote in message ...
>In article <70nko9$a...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Scott Goolsby"
><sgoo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> Paul is an outstanding drummer.
>> Listen Band On The Run and Jet.
>> And don't forget, he "suggested" many of the
>> Beatle drum parts for Ringo.
>
>I wouldn't say "outstanding". He's pretty stiff, actually.
we call those type of drummers "salad tossers"
'cos their arms are so stiff they just look like they're tossing a salad
like the guy who used to play for "free"
:):na
PasterFuzz
drummers in the world? John replys promply, " Ringo isn't the best drummer in
the beatles!"
ian hammond
>I have read that the drumming for the first two tracks of The White
>Album, Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence had Paul on drums... I refuse
>to accept this for Dear Prudence, the drumming sounds WAY too much like
>Ringo's... especially during the drum solo bit during the end, the fills
>and the licks are trademark Ringo.... any info?
Well, I'm just listening to the drum solo bit at the end.
Yes, it's syncopated in the standard Ringo scuffed style.
But, the drummer is really whacking those padded drums, and the open
cymbal for that matter, in a way I have not heard Ringo do it.
The drummer does not roll off the snare on the toms very often. That's
part of the Richard Starkey trademarks.
There are all these great little inner rolls. Yes, they sound like
Ringo.
But in general, I have always had the feeling Starr would have done
more with closed cymbal and the toms (they're really deep on this
track -- you can hear them in the bridge). I also think the part is a
bit stiff. Starr would have been looser. Less agressive (don't get me
wrong, I like the punch).
I hear only one drum part. So, are we saying Macca's part was wiped
for end? Usually they would have just layered stuff on top.
So, I must beg to disagree with this impressive company of people
whose opinions I generally respect more than my own.
Macca.
ian hammond
=================================
"here's another clue for you all"
JLS
There's no evidence of this.
It's likely that Paul did the whole drumming. There's no change in drum
sound on the end- It certainly would if a new drum overdub had been added
2-3 weeks later( different set up/console settings/leakage).Studio
documentation/studio logs shows no sign of a Ringo overdub.
And stop talking about trustin your ears: you've been fooled before.
JLS
Jeff
That is a funny answer coming from John
but they all had their funny comebacks
especially in the early days.
Azar
>
> Yes, it's syncopated in the standard Ringo scuffed style.
God, I love how his fills are so scuffled... there's a huge change in filling
style from Rubber Soul to Revolver...
> But, the drummer is really whacking those padded drums, and the open
> cymbal for that matter, in a way I have not heard Ringo do it.
He does a lot of open cymbal-type work on Hello Goodbye and a few tracks on
Sgt. Pepper, and this is getting into the period where you can hear Starr's
looser playing on the hi-hat, as see on the Let It Be tracks and the outtakes
on disc 2 of Anthology 3 from that period. I've certainly heard it before,
but I still stand on my belief that it was Paul playing on one half of the
track, and Ringo dubbing in the solo bit, a part that Paul would not have
been able to pull off.
> The drummer does not roll off the snare on the toms very often. That's
> part of the Richard Starkey trademarks.
You mean on the first half of the song or the solo bit? The first half of the
song doesn't have any fills at all, just basic timekeeping, shuffling from an
eighth beat to a sixteenth beat... the alternations of snare and floor tom on
the solo are so tradmark of Ringo... also, right at the beginning of the
repeat of the chorus, you hear the two hits on the cymbal followed by two
rapid fills from rack tom to snare, two triplet type patterns. These patterns
can be heard at the end of Happiness is a Warm Gun as well as on A Day In the
Life. Tradmark Ringo.
> There are all these great little inner rolls. Yes, they sound like
> Ringo.
>
> But in general, I have always had the feeling Starr would have done
> more with closed cymbal and the toms (they're really deep on this
> track -- you can hear them in the bridge). I also think the part is a
> bit stiff. Starr would have been looser. Less agressive (don't get me
> wrong, I like the punch).
Listen to Back in the USSR, the track right before Prudence... you can hear
that Paul did a track with the drums keeping time, and did another overdubbed
track of drum fills. Obviously, he found trouble playing the fills and
keeping beat at the same time, which shows he may not have been as proficient
as we think he was. Also, the fills are standard rolls on a single tom,
hardly similar to the interesting fills found at the end of Dear Prudence.
The fills and cymbals are also very well placed on the solo, and I think Paul
would have had a hard time figuring it out if he couldn't figure out simple
fills on USSR. Why such a big difference if the two drum tracks were indeed
done by Paul? The answer is it must be Ringo on the end of Prudence. About
the aggressiveness... Ringo plays pretty agressively throughout the White
Album.. and this was a pretty "aggressive" song...
> I hear only one drum part. So, are we saying Macca's part was wiped
> for end? Usually they would have just layered stuff on top.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I hear a definite difference in the tone of the drums
from the solo bit to the rest of the song. For one thing, the snare sounds
less resonant, and everything else seems more muffled. Also at the beginning
of the solo bit you can hear the drums starting to act up, but in the
background, you can also hear a few hits on the hi-hat. This must be the end
of Paul's drums and start of Ringo's, since you can hear two drumtracks
overlaping briefly.
> So, I must beg to disagree with this impressive company of people
> whose opinions I generally respect more than my own.
>
> Macca.
-- Azar
"Fuck tradition"
PAUL MACCA
>Listen to Back in the USSR, the track right before Prudence... you can hear
>that Paul did a track with the drums keeping time, and did another overdubbed
>track of drum fills. Obviously, he found trouble playing the fills and
>keeping beat at the same time, which shows he may not have been as proficient
>as we think he was.
I agree with you overall, that it is obviously Ringo at the end of Dear
Prudence. But on this last point, one must be aware also that Ringo also
sometimes had problems playing elaborate fills and keeping a steady beat., not
just Paul. If you need any evidence of this, listen to outtakes of Thank You
Girl at the ending. It took several edit takes before Ringo was able to come
up with a satisfactory series of fills to conclude that song.
My point? As Ringo did his part as an overdub, it wouldn't surprise a bit if
it turned out that it took more than several takes for Richie to come up with
the fills that would eventually be used on the released recording.
>About
>the aggressiveness... Ringo plays pretty agressively throughout the White
>Album.. and this was a pretty "aggressive" song...
>
>
Yes, the ending is played much more confidently. It really does scream out
"different drummer coming in!" I think anyone who plays and hangs out with
different drummers after awhile can get a feel for this.
----
"We gotta put out these goddamn mop-haired little bastards from England. Jesus
Christ, The Beatles! What a name! And that hair! It's gonna ruin Capitol,
I'm telling you! It's gonna ruin us!" -- Glenn Wallachs, cofounder of Capitol
Records.
Danny Caccavo
answer...@webtv.net (Jeff) wrote:
I wish you could quote when you reply so I can see what you were
responding to, then we could continue! <g>.
But I'll guess. Although his playing is stiff on "Come and Get it" "Back
in the USSR" and "Dear Prudence", I still *like* it....
Danny Caccavo
paste...@aol.com (PasterFuzz) wrote:
> A question asked to Joun Lennon..." Do you feel that Ringo is one of the best
> drummers in the world? John replys promply, " Ringo isn't the best drummer in
> the beatles!"
Well, over the years I've learned not to take John's opinions too seriously..<g>
Danny Caccavo
iham...@cybergraphic.com.au wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:15:20 -0400, Azar <az...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>
> >I have read that the drumming for the first two tracks of The White
> >Album, Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence had Paul on drums... I refuse
> >to accept this for Dear Prudence, the drumming sounds WAY too much like
> >Ringo's... especially during the drum solo bit during the end, the fills
> >and the licks are trademark Ringo.... any info?
>
> Well, I'm just listening to the drum solo bit at the end.
>
> Yes, it's syncopated in the standard Ringo scuffed style.
>
> But, the drummer is really whacking those padded drums, and the open
> cymbal for that matter, in a way I have not heard Ringo do it.
>
> The drummer does not roll off the snare on the toms very often. That's
> part of the Richard Starkey trademarks.
>
> There are all these great little inner rolls. Yes, they sound like
> Ringo.
>
> But in general, I have always had the feeling Starr would have done
> more with closed cymbal and the toms (they're really deep on this
> track -- you can hear them in the bridge). I also think the part is a
> bit stiff. Starr would have been looser. Less agressive (don't get me
> wrong, I like the punch).
>
> I hear only one drum part. So, are we saying Macca's part was wiped
> for end? Usually they would have just layered stuff on top.
>
> So, I must beg to disagree with this impressive company of people
> whose opinions I generally respect more than my own.
>
> Macca.
>
>
>
> ian hammond
> =================================
> "here's another clue for you all"
If you listen closely, just when after it gets loud and just before the
vocals come back in, you can hear the old part crossfading out...(you can
hear two hihats)
As far as whacking the cymbals hard, the effect you hear is lots of
compression, a la "She Said She Said"
Danny Caccavo
<jl...@NOSPAMc2i.net> wrote:
Drum sounds didn't change so radically from one week to another, because
much fewer mics were used back then, and much less eq.
The chief thing is that I've NEVER heard Paul "swing". And that end part
swings like a mother....no "salad tosser" there (thanks to whoever taught
me that phrase!)
Jeff
I wish I could quote too. Webtv doesn't have
that, and I get your point.
Danny wrote that he wished I would quote
my posts.LOL
How's that? I wish I could memorize a quote
and then post it instead of using pen and paper.
It's a long process.
Jeff
ian hammond
>In article <3648f2f8....@news.ozemail.com.au>,
>iham...@cybergraphic.com.au wrote:
>
>> So, I must beg to disagree with this impressive company of people
>> whose opinions I generally respect more than my own.
>If you listen closely, just when after it gets loud and just before the
>vocals come back in, you can hear the old part crossfading out...(you can
>hear two hihats)
>
>As far as whacking the cymbals hard, the effect you hear is lots of
>compression, a la "She Said She Said"
Yep, that's what I meant. I actually do respect your opinion, and
others, more than my own in this kind of area. But it still doesn't
sit right for me. I guess I always felt Starr would have done
something a bit different... not repeated himself. But I contradict
myself.
Anyhow, on listening to it again, I think I dig why they would have
dubbed, be it Starr or McCartney: They needed to really pump up that
last verse, and they never really had that huge sound the Stones et
all had to apply. This track was a prime candidate for George Martin
to orchestrate, and that may have been what they would have done at
Peppertime. Instead, they bust their little guts out adding harmony
and guitar etc, but in particular they dub on the manic piano part and
the drums.
Taking up rhythm-guitar thread here, the rhythm guitar in that last
half-time verse is actually, as guitar playing goes, pretty crude. But
it's a perfect part for the song, and it tells all the other band
members: hey, don't worry how you do it, just bash down the walls.
ian hammond
===================================
"da da'n da, tsh, d-d-d-ta d-da..."
Don Rife
believe Dear Prudence said Paul, John & George overdubbed drum parts for the
song(s) so you couldn't really call it just Paul on drums. Though Paul did the
basic drum tracks. Who knows for sure, it could be Ringo who does an overdub
on Dear Prudence. Someone should ask Ringo while he's out there promoting his
Story Tellers cd.
Don
Danny Caccavo
<rif...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> George Martin or Lewisohn commenting on the drums for Back In The USSR and I
> believe Dear Prudence said Paul, John & George overdubbed drum parts for the
> song(s) so you couldn't really call it just Paul on drums. Though Paul did the
> basic drum tracks. Who knows for sure, it could be Ringo who does an overdub
> on Dear Prudence. Someone should ask Ringo while he's out there promoting his
> Story Tellers cd.
>
> Don
Except that it's likely that Ringo (or any of them) wouldn't remember....
I recall the great SNL sketch with William Shatner at the Star Trek
convention, when someone asked him the number on the door of Janice Rand's
quarters....<g>
Don Rife
Danny Caccavo wrote:
You mean they've done so much stuff solo and otherwise in the last 28 years that the
8 years before is all a haze? <g> The SNL sketch was great, "that was a reenactment
from the episode with the evil Kirk" : )
Don
na
Danny Caccavo wrote in message ...
>swings like a mother....no "salad tosser" there (thanks to whoever taught
>me that phrase!)
use it wisely grasshopper.....:)
ian hammond
wrote:
>George Martin or Lewisohn commenting on the drums for Back In The USSR and I
>believe Dear Prudence said Paul, John & George overdubbed drum parts for the
>song(s) so you couldn't really call it just Paul on drums. Though Paul did the
>basic drum tracks. Who knows for sure, it could be Ringo who does an overdub
>on Dear Prudence. Someone should ask Ringo while he's out there promoting his
>Story Tellers cd.
The story was in Lewisohn and concerned "Back In The USSR" only:
I remember Ringo being uptight about something, I don't remember
what, and the next thing I was told that he had quit the band.
But work continued. They did "Back In The USSR" with what I seem
to recall was a composite drum track of bits and pieces, possibly
with all the other three playing drums. Within a few days the
differences had been sorted out and Ringo came back. Mal Evans
completely decorated studio two with flowers, they were all over
his drum kit, "Welcome Back Ringo".
Ken Scot CBRS151
Lewisohn goes on to say:
Scott's recollection is largely confirmed by the original session
tapes, for although the early takes reveal Paul as the drummer on
the basic track, two more drum tracks were later overdubbed,
conceivably while Paul was engaged playing other instruments.
And the song was also a composite recording in other ways, with
three bass guitar parts, played by John, Paul and George
respectively, and both Paul and George playing lead guitar.
Lewisohn CBRS151
The band track had McCartney on drums, Lennon on Bass and Harrison on
Lead. My guess is that when McCartney decided to add bass, Lennon
decided to match him by adding drums. Then it became a real game of
musical chairs. A bit of one-upmanship in the Beatle world.
So, we have yet ANOTHER CANDIDATE: if it was John (and George) who
added in the drum bits on "USSR", maybe they did the same on "Dear
Prudence". "You hit the snare george, I'll take the tom"?
Remember, "Dear Prudence" was recorded at Trident on eight-track --
lots of space to experiment.
BTW: Lewisohn is quite detailed in his descriptions of the dubs for
"Back In The USSR" and "Dear Prudence". But, then again, the record
taking at Trident might not have been quite up the standards at EMI.
ian hammond
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"they leave the west behind"
na
Don Rife wrote in message <3633D400...@earthlink.net>...
>
>
>Danny Caccavo wrote:
>
>> In article <36332D9D...@earthlink.net>, Don Rife
>> <rif...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > George Martin or Lewisohn commenting on the drums for Back In The USSR
and I
>> > believe Dear Prudence said Paul, John & George overdubbed drum parts
for the
>> > song(s) so you couldn't really call it just Paul on drums. Though Paul
did the
>> > basic drum tracks. Who knows for sure, it could be Ringo who does an
overdub
>> > on Dear Prudence. Someone should ask Ringo while he's out there
promoting his
>> > Story Tellers cd.
>> >
>>
>> Except that it's likely that Ringo (or any of them) wouldn't remember....
>> I recall the great SNL sketch with William Shatner at the Star Trek
>> convention, when someone asked him the number on the door of Janice
Rand's
>> quarters....<g>
>>
>> DC
>>
>> --
>> Danny Caccavo (dan...@interport.net)
>>
>>
>
>You mean they've done so much stuff solo and otherwise in the last 28 years
that the
>8 years before is all a haze?
quite probably.
my friend dave glyde played with the fabs on the road and on sgt peppers.
while he is a very intelligent and swithched on guy, and his memory of those
days is sporadic at best.
and it was a long long time ago, during which the studio dates must
inevitably blur into one giant fuzzy memory out of which occasional patches
of clarity would emerge......i reckon:)
i mean, who was the third person you made a phone call to last monday?
na
interstate5
"na" stated:
Well, one tends to forget the unimportant stuff. Which maybe should be a clue
for us all.
Danny Caccavo
<rif...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 8 years before is all a haze? <g> The SNL sketch was great, "that was a
reenactment
> from the episode with the evil Kirk" : )
>
> Don
Well, I'm sure that most people on this NG have listened to the Beatles'
albums more than the Beatles have, let's put it that way....
DC
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Danny Caccavo (dan...@interport.net)