Who is the biggest asshole in rock ever?
Julio Lennon
R Hurley wrote:
>
> Spike wrote:
> >
> > This goes out as a what do I know kinda thing.
> >
> > What impressed me the most about EVH is this.
> >
> > Pick up one of his songbooks at any GC or other music store.
> > Take a look at the credits for any song and you will find
> > the names of everyone in the band at that time and they get a royalty.
> >
> > That impressed the heck outta me!
> >
> > Anyone else know any bands that do this?
>
> While not the whole band, Paul McCartney carried John Lennon's ass while
> in the Beatles. The biggest hits were ALL McCartney - Yesterday, Hay
> Jude, Michelle - Lennon had nothing to do with'em. Paul even wrote most
> the songs John sang as well. The only songs John really wrote were
> Bungalow Bill and The Ballad of John and Yoko, everything else is pretty
> much McCartney, even tho he gave John equal credit. They did that on the
> advice of their manager, Brian Epstien, who thought it would make the
> band seem stronger with 2 big singwriters.
>
> They don't call him 'Sir' for nuthin.
Is this true about John Lennon?
Kronos X wrote:
>
> I agree with all this.
>
> The new band called "Asshole" -
>
> Vocals - Axl Rose
> Guitar - Eddie Van Halen
> Guitar - Yngwie Malmsteen
> Bass - Gene $immon$
> Drums - Lars Ulrich
>
> Manager - Col. Tom Parker
>
> > Genial wrote:
> > >
> > > Lars. Musicians making millions was something unheard of fifty years ago.
> > > How much is a melody worth? Like these guys (Metallica) think they are in
> > > the same league as Stravinsky? Use to be it was a honor to be listened to.
> > > He screwed up Napster which many of us pickers used from instructional
> > > purposes claiming we were digging into his millions. I would be very
> > > satisfied to draw a comfortable middle class salary for doing what he and
> > > his cohorts do. Lets give the millions to the cat who cures cancer. Why do
> > > entertainers make so much money and reap such respect? Is the world such a
> > > horrible place? Are distractions that valuable?
> > >
> > > "Jerrah" <je...@nojerrahspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3EEE6737...@nojerrahspam.com...
> > > > Is it:
> > > >
> > > > A. Lars Ulrich
> > > > B. Axl Rose
> > > > C. Sebastion Bach
> > > > D. Eddie Van Halen
> > > > E. Kevin Dubrow
> > > > F. Nikki Sixx
> > > > G. Gene Simmons
> > > > H. Ted Nugent
> > > >
> > > > ...and the winner is (drumroll):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > EDDIE VAN HALEN IS THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE IN ROCK EVER!!!
> > > >
> > > > Eddie barely beat out his asswipe brother Alex to represent the VH
> > > > family. He also barely beat out longtime dickwad Axl Rose to capture the
> > > > title. Why Eddie? Because this dumbfuck is a total hypocrite and has
> > > > wasted his talent. He keeps saying he has no ego and does it for the
> > > > love of music, but selfish Ed DOES have, in fact, a HUGE ego and ruined
> > > > the VH band. VH can longer have a singer with any kind of personality or
> > > > talent because 'ego-less' Ed wants the spotlight ALL on him. He denies
> > > > it, but the truth fucking hurts.
> > > >
> > > > 5 years of silence after the VH3 disaster proves it. He also doesn't
> > > > give a shit about the VH fans who made him super wealthy. He is an
> > > > alcoholic who is controlled by his fellow strung-out drug buddy/brother
> > > > Al. He used to be one of the most lovable guys in rock, but it turns out
> > > > he's just a greedy cocksucker that rips off his fans with overpriced
> > > > music equipment and has been living on his laurels for over 15 years. He
> > > > takes credit for all the success of VH, but lays all the blame for what
> > > > went wrong on the lead singers.
> > > >
> > > > Fuck the holier-than-thou Eddie Van Halen - the biggest asshole in
> > > > rock... ever!
Ehtue
>> > This goes out as a what do I know kinda thing.
>> >
>> > What impressed me the most about EVH is this.
>> >
>> > Pick up one of his songbooks at any GC or other music store.
>> > Take a look at the credits for any song and you will find
>> > the names of everyone in the band at that time and they get a
>> > royalty.
>> >
>> > That impressed the heck outta me!
>> >
>> > Anyone else know any bands that do this?
>
>>
>> While not the whole band, Paul McCartney carried John Lennon's ass
>> while in the Beatles. The biggest hits were ALL McCartney -
>> Yesterday, Hay Jude, Michelle - Lennon had nothing to do with'em.
>> Paul even wrote most the songs John sang as well. The only songs John
>> really wrote were Bungalow Bill and The Ballad of John and Yoko,
>> everything else is pretty much McCartney, even tho he gave John equal
>> credit. They did that on the advice of their manager, Brian Epstien,
>> who thought it would make the band seem stronger with 2 big
>> singwriters.
>>
>> They don't call him 'Sir' for nuthin.
>
>
>
> Is this true about John Lennon?
Are you kidding?
No.
-Ehtue
pokerface
"Julio Lennon" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>
> Is this true about John Lennon?
Yes, everybody knows this. All of Lennon's songs were written by Paul
McCartney, except for "Come Together", which was a drunken collaboration
between John Peel and Chuck Berry, and "Working Class Hero", which is an
early Billy Bragg number.
Oh, and "Cold Turkey" which was, famously, written by Neil Diamond, and was
only left off the "Hot August Night" album because Yoko's screaming was
considered somewhat out of keeping with the general mood (the superior Frank
Zappa mix of this record is widely available on bootleg - try Kazaa if
you're interested).
Daniel Dreibelbis
"pokerface" <royal...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Is this true about John Lennon?
>
> Yes, everybody knows this. All of Lennon's songs were written by Paul
> McCartney, except for "Come Together", which was a drunken collaboration
> between John Peel and Chuck Berry, and "Working Class Hero", which is an
> early Billy Bragg number.
>
> Oh, and "Cold Turkey" which was, famously, written by Neil Diamond, and was
> only left off the "Hot August Night" album because Yoko's screaming was
> considered somewhat out of keeping with the general mood (the superior Frank
> Zappa mix of this record is widely available on bootleg - try Kazaa if
> you're interested).
I'm surprised that none of this was mentioned in the definitive
Beatles biography _Paperback Writer_. I mean, who knew that Paul wanted
to record a cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody" on their first album _We're
Going To Change The Face Of Pop Music Forever!_ . Or that it was Ringo's
leaving the group that caused everything to fall apart?
And I'm still kicking myself for missing those reunion gigs in the
late seventies - even if they were second-billed to Peter Frampton, with
the Sex Pistols opening. Sure their comeback album _Get Back_ sucked
donkeys, but there were some great moments in "Bring The Captain In To
Kneel (Before The Altar)", and their cover of "Almost Cut My Hair"
kicked ass.....
--
Dan Dreibelbis, Guitar Nerd - Better Living Through Home Recording
Now On Vitaminic
http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/dan_dreibelbis
Swpubl
of the Beatle stuff, he was on an assembly line mode, and it was pretty
good. and Lennon made it palatable. All the great stuff was written by
Lennon and Paul made his contribution. Say, in, Day In The Life. Has it ever
struck you people that neither one wrote a damn thing worth a shit after the
day they broke up. It was never one or the other. It was never an individual
effort that got the talented achieved. It was only the combination of at
least THREE individuals that cranked out the Beatles stuff. Thinking it HAD
to be an individual is either the bugaboo thinking of an individualistic
mind (culture) or the work of Paul McCartney PR again.
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TokenBlackGuy
wrote:
>All the great stuff was written by
>Lennon and Paul made his contribution.
Crazy talk.
>Has it ever struck you people that neither one
>wrote a damn thing worth a shit after the
>day they broke up.
No, because it isn't true. ...and who are you calling "you people?"
>Thinking it HAD
>to be an individual is either the bugaboo thinking of an individualistic
>mind (culture) or the work of Paul McCartney PR again.
And sighting Lennon as the one who wrote "all the great stuff" is
naive.
BOZ
and without "Wings." In my opinion John was a major part, that cannot be
denied, but Paul MADE the Beatles. Without Paul, the Beatles would have
been the "Turtles" or the "Hollies"... in a sense. Obviously they
couldn't have been "them," because those bands existed, but they would
have been no better. John with Paul was the Beatles. Paul without John
was just as good. Paul has had tons of non-Beatles hits... John had a
couple.
--
"Say What You Mean, Mean What You Say."
"TokenBlackGuy" <TokenBlackGuy@> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:58:23 -0700, "Swpubl" <sw...@netzero.com>
> wrote:
>
> >All the great stuff was written by
> >Lennon and Paul made his contribution.
>
> Crazy talk.
>
>
BlackMonk
"BOZ" <B...@endlessly.us> wrote in message
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> Agree totally. Paul wrote a ton of great songs after the Beatles, with
> and without "Wings." In my opinion John was a major part, that cannot be
> denied, but Paul MADE the Beatles. Without Paul, the Beatles would have
> been the "Turtles" or the "Hollies"... in a sense. Obviously they
> couldn't have been "them," because those bands existed, but they would
> have been no better. John with Paul was the Beatles. Paul without John
> was just as good.
Wings was just as good as The Beatles?
Paul has had tons of non-Beatles hits... John had a
> couple.
>
I was wondering how to tell which one was better. Thanks for clearing that
up. I count how many hits each had and whoever had the most is the winner.
Mister Charlie
> was just as good.
Nonsense.
Marc Mulay
"Assholes" in "rock", business, religion and life in general are the
complete norm. The 95% hump in the bell curve. Perhaps a better question
would be "In your opinion, who in rock forever personifies
anti-assholism?". I'll post it as a thread and won't be surprised if it
dies a spark's death LOL.
Marc Mulay
Marc Mulay
another mass-market name/act; Bruce Springsteen.
In terms of my personal respect for message-communication through music
however, I'm also going to add a relative-unknown in the music store
"folk" genre;
John Gorka...
That guy's work goes right to my soul. Incredible. Ranks right up there
with John Prine.
sam booka
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TokenBlackGuy
wrote:
>I'll start this off and say Tom Petty. Why? His charity work.
It a tie. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. Because they truly love
their fans and always give good value for the money they shell out.
For example, they could have charged a lot more than $1,000 for the
best tickets on this tour, but they didn't. To me, that says a lot
about their devotion to the people that have basically supported their
lifestyle for the last 30 years.
Fearless Freep
about politics?
Shut up and sing, Bruce. Put on your show, and rake in the bux. Good for
you. Enjoy it. Just leave politics to people who know something about it.
Freep
Fearless Freep
you. I've never liked Kiss, even when I was 14 and they were brand new. I
was the perfect age to love them, and yet, even then I thought they were
crap. But I happened to hear Paul Stanley once in a snippet of an interview,
and he not only sounded remarkably cogent, he said what has to be the
coolest thing a rock star has ever said in an interview, namely (from
memory, now, so I'm sure I'll leave something out, but this is the gist):
There's nothing worse than a rock star who goes around crying, "The fans
hound me to death, I have no private life, blah blah blah..." That's like
getting to be a movie star, but you hate signing autographs. Or you get
elected President, but you hate wearing a tie. If you're lucky enough to get
what you want in life, ...SHUT UP.
It was brilliant.
Freep
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Beatles Forever
>>All the great stuff was written by Lennon and Paul made his
contribution. Say, in, Day In The Life.<<
Not true, and the song above is way over rated.
>>Has it ever struck you people that neither one wrote a damn thing
worth a shit after the day they broke up.<<
I'm not close minded enough to believe that.
They all wrote a few good songs as solo artists.
Haven't you noticed? Paul got the most attention. Have you heard all of
their solo albums or are you going by what you've heard on the radio?
>> It was never one or the other. It was never an individual effort that
got the talented achieved. It was only the combination of at least THREE
individuals that cranked out the Beatles stuff.<<
I agree, but we're talking Beatles again here.
yachtboy!
Ya know, as much as I dislike KISS, I would haxe to agree.
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Maneatingcow
<fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote:
Paul is kind of a fag.
Maneatingcow
wrote:
>I'll start this off and say Tom Petty. Why? His charity work.
Brian Johnson of AC/DC
Fearless Freep
ROFLOFuckingL!!! "His charity work"???? Don't get me wrong, I like TP a lot.
And if he gives time and money to charity, good for him. But THAT's all it
takes to "personify anti-assholism"? He does charity work????
Hey, Marcie, here's a pop quiz: Who's the bigger asshole, wooden indian and
liberal extraordinaire Al Gore (1), or mega-capitalist pig Bill Gates (2)?
ROFLOFuckingL,
Freep
Answers:
1) Al gave $353, less than one-tenth the typical contribution amount for
someone with the Gores' adjusted gross income of $197,729, to charity in
1997.
2) Millions and millions (and, you guessed it, millions) given to charity,
and still giving, besides all the money of his that goes to charity by way
of his *employees'* wallets.
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Fearless Freep
That's not merely political -- it's absurd. He tells people to elect
socialists, which would be an abrogation of everything our country has stood
for for 227 years. That's more purely political a message than simply loving
and defending your country, which is all Charlie Daniels is saying. And at
least Charlie Daniels has the coherence to *like* the country he obviously
intends to stay in. Moreover, loving America is one of the predominant
*themes* of country music. Talking about that is what his music is
*expected* to deal with. That's why the Dixie Chicks got in so much trouble.
It wasn't so much that they attacked the president during wartime, and from
foreign soil. If they had been a R&R act telling it to a R&R audience, it
wouldn't have even made the news. What they did was like STP telling their
audience to cut their damn hair, wash their nasty filthy asses, put on white
shirts and ties, and go work for IBM. It runs counter to everything their
fan base stands for, and they should have known it.
There's nothing more implicitly asshole-ish than biting the hand that feeds
you, and by logical extension, hating your country (unless you happen to be
in a country that you're not *allowed* to leave, which is CLEARLY not the
case.) That's why everyone guffawed, even a lot of leftists I know, when
Alec Baldwin said he'd go to France and then didn't. It goes beyond that he
was obviously out of his area of expertise by talking politics-- he had
abandoned coherence altogether.
Freep
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TokenBlackGuy
<fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote:
>Not really. The America Bruce hates made him rich, and yet he hates it.
>That's not merely political -- it's absurd. He tells people to elect
>socialists, which would be an abrogation of everything our country has stood
>for for 227 years.
Are there some easy-to-find quotes that support what you say?
BlackMonk
> That's more purely political a message than simply loving
> and defending your country, which is all Charlie Daniels is saying.
Don't forget beating up homosexuals. Charlie Daniels has a song about that,
too.
TokenBlackGuy
<fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote:
>1) Al gave $353, less than one-tenth the typical contribution amount for
>someone with the Gores' adjusted gross income of $197,729, to charity in
>1997.
The year before they gave $35,530. Five years earlier they gave
$52,558. Granted, nearly all of that came from book royalties, but
most would consider that pretty charitable given their income. The
year he contributed $353, both his daughters were attending Harvard.
Not knowing what financial preparations they made, it's safe to say
there were some out-of-pocket expenses that account at least partially
for the low contribution. Also, given that many people fudge their
contribution figures, the "typical" amount is certainly an inflated
number and probably not very reliable.
Fearless Freep
went down to Georgia."
Freep
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Marc Mulay
re; This thread, Stick with music. Are you a musician?
Marc Mulay
Marc Mulay
"he had abandoned coherence altogether."
-Freep
j...@3inthekey.com
> Not really. The America Bruce hates made him rich, and yet he hates it.
God, this is soooo wrong and sooo tired.
>He tells people to elect socialists, which would be an abrogation of
everything our country has stood for for 227 years.
Our country stands for freedom and democracy, which socialism can
include. Anyway, as far as I know, neither the constitution nor the
declaration of independence make any mention of capitalism. By the way
(again, using your criteria for "proof") when did Springsteen direct
anyone to elect socialists? I've never heard of him saying that,
either, but he could have. Please let me know.
>That's more purely political a message than simply loving and
defending your country, which is all Charlie Daniels is saying. And at
least Charlie Daniels has the coherence to *like* the country he
obviously intends to stay in.
You make the mistake of confusing an individual's problems with
specific policies and/or an adminsistration with his feelings towards
his country. Conversely, those who criticized Clinton hated their
country as well, I guess. When you make statements like this, you
really sound like you, in fact, hate the first amendment. The whole
"conservatives are Nazis" thing is certainly often misapplied and
played out, but when you say things like this, you sound fascist (at
least to me).
> There's nothing more implicitly asshole-ish than biting the hand that feeds
> you,
Implying that others are traitors and/or hate their country when they
don't explicitly say that comes pretty close.
>and by logical extension, hating your country (unless you happen to
be
> in a country that you're not *allowed* to leave, which is CLEARLY not the
> case.)
Everything you wrote here is so disgustingly self-righteous that I
don't have the stomach to fully dissect and dispose of it.
However,
>That's why everyone guffawed, even a lot of leftists I know, when
> Alec Baldwin said he'd go to France and then didn't.
If this is true, then I join you in your criticism of him.
j...@3inthekey.com
> Not really. The America Bruce hates made him rich, and yet he hates it.
God, this is soooo wrong and sooo tired.
>He tells people to elect socialists, which would be an abrogation of
everything our country has stood for for 227 years.
Our country stands for freedom and democracy, which socialism can
include. Anyway, as far as I know, neither the constitution nor the
declaration of independence make any mention of capitalism. By the way
(again, using your criteria for "proof") when did Springsteen direct
anyone to elect socialists? I've never heard of him saying that,
either, but he could have. Please let me know.
>That's more purely political a message than simply loving and
defending your country, which is all Charlie Daniels is saying. And at
least Charlie Daniels has the coherence to *like* the country he
obviously intends to stay in.
You make the mistake of confusing an individual's problems with
specific policies and/or an adminsistration with his feelings towards
his country. Conversely, those who criticized Clinton hated their
country as well, I guess. When you make statements like this, you
really sound like you, in fact, hate the first amendment. The whole
"conservatives are Nazis" thing is certainly often misapplied and
played out, but when you say things like this, you sound fascist (at
least to me).
> There's nothing more implicitly asshole-ish than biting the hand that feeds
> you,
Implying that others are traitors and/or hate their country when they
don't explicitly say that comes pretty close.
>and by logical extension, hating your country (unless you happen to
be
> in a country that you're not *allowed* to leave, which is CLEARLY not the
> case.)
Everything you wrote here is so disgustingly self-righteous that I
don't have the stomach to fully dissect and dispose of it.
However,
>That's why everyone guffawed, even a lot of leftists I know, when
> Alec Baldwin said he'd go to France and then didn't.
If this is true, then I join you in your criticism of him.
Dale Houstman
I think Gene and Paul are both assholes. Eye of the beholder...
dmh
Dale Houstman
Fearless Freep wrote:
> Not really. The America Bruce hates made him rich, and yet he hates it.
> That's not merely political -- it's absurd.
There is not one iota of truth to this: show me where Bruce says he
hates America.
dmh
Al
Phil Lynott
BlackMonk
> Really? Must be recent... I haven't listened to him much since "The Devil
> went down to Georgia."
>
Not that recent. Uneasy Rider 88.
TD Madden
> Phil Lynott
>
>
>
>
>
>
Yes.
BlackMonk
"Dale Houstman" <dm...@citilink.com> wrote in message
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I think it's a bit silly to make judgements about whether a person is or
isn't an asshole based on their public image, except in cases where that
person actually commited a crime. Deciding whether a person is an asshole or
not usually requires some personal knowledge.
Going by my meager personal experience, I can say that there are at least
two non-assholes in rock and one in country. There are probably more.
Lord Hasenpfeffer
>
> Has it ever struck you people that neither one wrote a damn thing worth a shit
> after the day they broke up.
Methinks it's been too long since somebody last listened to "Double
Fantasy" and "Milk And Honey".
Myke
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Lord Hasenpfeffer
> Paul without John was just as good. Paul has had tons of
> non-Beatles hits... John had a couple.
Yeah, John really should try harder to compete with Paul.
Every year, Paul seems to continue to do more and more stuff.
But not John.
Dale Houstman
Lord Hasenpfeffer wrote:
> BOZ wrote:
>
>> Paul without John was just as good. Paul has had tons of
>
> > non-Beatles hits... John had a couple.
>
> Yeah, John really should try harder to compete with Paul.
> Every year, Paul seems to continue to do more and more stuff.
> But not John.
>
> Myke
>
The dead really are lazy and should be forced to work. We've supported
their sucking off the government tit for too long!
dmh
Marc Mulay
"pointing the finger" and claiming "this or that person IS one".
The beauty of inadvertant self-ID on an UNLIMITED number of attributes, positive
and negative is what applying that here and in life is ALL about.
It's like dealing with a loose-lipped gossip. ANY fool who comes to you with
crap about another will go to another with crap about you.
Marc Mulay
pot for fun or a stone dick head. Benevolently smile.
Steve and/or Donna
As for John vs. Paul. I think they needed each other and each solo works
lacks in different ways. John's weren't as commercial, but there was more
to them. Had they continued writing together....
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george
wrote:
>I'll start this off and say Tom Petty. Why? His charity work.
Mike Love.
oh wait, you said "anti", ..... never mind!.
Geoffward
> I'll start this off and say Tom Petty. Why? His charity work.
Gary Cherone. The only person to ever leave the VH soap opera with a
shred of character or dignity in place. He was the wrong fit for VH,
but he handled it well and has nothing but good things to say about
the band and it's pissy little fans. He's taken tons of abuse, but
doesn't respond to it the way the Bald Eagle or Sammy does.
Fearless Freep
good argument, but yours have been getting to be of poorer and poorer
quality. Here, for the moment, are the answers you asked for, for what
they're worth, going, as they are, to the totally indoctrinated, "just
*ignore* inconvenient facts" likes of you:
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> "Fearless Freep" <fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote in message
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> > Not really. The America Bruce hates made him rich, and yet he hates it.
> I've never heard of him saying that, or anything close to that.
> God, this is soooo wrong and sooo tired.
>
> >He tells people to elect socialists, which would be an abrogation of
> everything our country has stood for for 227 years.
>
> Our country stands for freedom and democracy, which socialism can
> include.
Sure, if you don't think turning over all your money to the Government for
redistribution according to its whims, a loss of freedom. Only Marxists like
you take this view, however. People have been coming to America for the
freedom to work and get ahead for as long as there has been an America to
come to. And it's a freedom you don't want us to have. Your statement about
Socialism and freedom doesn't pass the guffaw test.
> Anyway, as far as I know, neither the constitution nor the
> declaration of independence make any mention of capitalism.
It didn't need to. In spite of your laughable assertion above, it mentions
freedom, which does indeed preclude socialism, for (among others) the reason
above.
> By the way
> (again, using your criteria for "proof") when did Springsteen direct
> anyone to elect socialists? I've never heard of him saying that,
> either, but he could have. Please let me know.
Bruce has worked comments about Bush needing impeachment for [being in the
process of winning wars (1)] and that he should be replaced with someone
[who presumably wouldn't] into all his shows lately. I call that hating
America, although Bruce probably wouldn't admit to it.
>
> >That's more purely political a message than simply loving and
> defending your country, which is all Charlie Daniels is saying. And at
> least Charlie Daniels has the coherence to *like* the country he
> obviously intends to stay in.
>
> You make the mistake of confusing an individual's problems with
> specific policies and/or an adminsistration with his feelings towards
> his country. Conversely, those who criticized Clinton hated their
> country as well, I guess.
No. People weren't trying to get rid of Clinton for the specific reason that
he was doing a job that the whole 227 year old idea of America demanded,
just because 1) it was working, and 2) certain enemy-in-friend-clothing
nations didn't like that. If Clinton were fighting an honorable war to save
a desperately beleaguered nation, no Republican would have said he should be
impeached because French socialists didn't like it.
Conversely, If Bush were a rapist, Republicans would be the first to vote
for impeachment, rather than dig in their heels and say that they would
NEVER vote for it, no matter WHAT, like the Democrats did.
> When you make statements like this, you
> really sound like you, in fact, hate the first amendment.
Not at all. As I've said MANY times before, people like Bruce and the Dixie
Chicks are completely free to say whatever they want, and should be. But
those of us who hear it are likewise free to make judgements about their
honor, errant loyalties, and/or assholedness for it. Nobody has an
inalienable right to only be interpreted in good terms, even, indeed:
*especially*, when they say things that are repugnant.
As a separate issue, what Bruce is doing is just plain bad for business. Not
that I care, but you'd think HE would, since people paying ticket and album
prices are his bread and butter. People regularly boo in large numbers when
he goes into his anti american screeds on stage, and tear up their ticket
stubs, and leave. Those people will probably not be going to his shows in
the future. He can say what he wants, of course, but THAT's just plain dumb.
Nobody HAS to sit and listen. WE're free, too. Amazing how socialists seem
to think that their freedom to make hate speeches carries a requirement that
that those speeches be heard.
> The whole
> "conservatives are Nazis" thing is certainly often misapplied and
> played out, but when you say things like this, you sound fascist (at
> least to me).
There's that most favorite of liberal insults again. Yawn.
>
> > There's nothing more implicitly asshole-ish than biting the hand that
feeds
> > you,
> Implying that others are traitors and/or hate their country when they
> don't explicitly say that comes pretty close.
More of the same. Traitor is YOUR word.
>
> >and by logical extension, hating your country (unless you happen to
> be
> > in a country that you're not *allowed* to leave, which is CLEARLY not
the
> > case.)
>
> Everything you wrote here is so disgustingly self-righteous that I
> don't have the stomach to fully dissect and dispose of it.
Well then why doesn't Bruce leave? He's not required to stay where he hates.
Must be the money. There's the nice, sincere stand-up guy. <GUFFAW>
>
> However,
> >That's why everyone guffawed, even a lot of leftists I know, when
> > Alec Baldwin said he'd go to France and then didn't.
>
> If this is true, then I join you in your criticism of him.
You can find out. It's all over Google. And not just him. Several Hollywood
bozos 'threatened' to leave if Bush won. Guess what: they all still live
here.
Freep
Footnotes:
1) He surely wouldn't admit that that was what his problem was, but since
his statement that it's because we're killing people pegs the laugh-o-meter
(more people than Saddam would have killed in the same time period?
<GUFFAWS>), I think we're back to the "is he stupid, or does he KNOW that
isn't true, but say it *anyway*" thing. As I've said before, I don't bother
to resolve that question when it comes up, because *either* identifies
someone as nobody I want to waste time listening to. At BEST, he's clearly
an idiot. OTOH, if he knows better, then what's really going on is that he
hates seeing America solve a huge problem of humanity with a Republican at
the helm. I call that an asshole.
Dale Houstman
Marc Mulay wrote:
> No shit DH, The guy is either kidding /playing a role-part, stirring up the
> pot for fun or a stone dick head. Benevolently smile.
>
Well, my inner-Buddha is a rather surly character!
dmh
Marc Mulay
Marc Mulay
good argument, but yours have been getting to be of poorer and poorer
This is what a coward /low IQ types when he can't bear being exposed.
j...@3inthekey.com
> You're getting tiresome, jim, and I may killfile you soon. I don't mind a
> good argument, but yours have been getting to be of poorer and poorer
> quality. Here, for the moment, are the answers you asked for, for what
> they're worth, going, as they are, to the totally indoctrinated, "just
> *ignore* inconvenient facts" likes of you:
Pot/Kettle
>
> <j...@3inthekey.com> wrote in message
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> > "Fearless Freep" <fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote in message
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> > > Not really. The America Bruce hates made him rich, and yet he hates it.
> > I've never heard of him saying that, or anything close to that.
> > God, this is soooo wrong and sooo tired.
> >
> > >He tells people to elect socialists, which would be an abrogation of
> > everything our country has stood for for 227 years.
> >
> > Our country stands for freedom and democracy, which socialism can
> > include.
>
> Sure, if you don't think turning over all your money to the Government for
> redistribution according to its whims, a loss of freedom. Only Marxists like
> you take this view, however. People have been coming to America for the
> freedom to work and get ahead for as long as there has been an America to
> come to. And it's a freedom you don't want us to have. Your statement about
> Socialism and freedom doesn't pass the guffaw test.
Listen, here's a fact for you - socialism is not an all or nothing
system - you can apply it in part. I take extreme offense at your
statement regarding what I do or don't want - you have no idea, so
shut the fuck up.
>
> > Anyway, as far as I know, neither the constitution nor the
> > declaration of independence make any mention of capitalism.
>
> It didn't need to. In spite of your laughable assertion above, it mentions
> freedom, which does indeed preclude socialism, for (among others) the reason
> above.
Using your very subjective and somewhat abstract argument. THis is
rediculous.
> > By the way
> > (again, using your criteria for "proof") when did Springsteen direct
> > anyone to elect socialists? I've never heard of him saying that,
> > either, but he could have. Please let me know.
> Bruce has worked comments about Bush needing impeachment for [being in the
> process of winning wars (1)] and that he should be replaced with someone
> [who presumably wouldn't] into all his shows lately. I call that hating
> America, although Bruce probably wouldn't admit to it.
So you misrepresented what he said. Classic.
> > >That's more purely political a message than simply loving and
> > defending your country, which is all Charlie Daniels is saying. And at
> > least Charlie Daniels has the coherence to *like* the country he
> > obviously intends to stay in.
> >
> > You make the mistake of confusing an individual's problems with
> > specific policies and/or an adminsistration with his feelings towards
> > his country. Conversely, those who criticized Clinton hated their
> > country as well, I guess.
>
> No. People weren't trying to get rid of Clinton for the specific reason that
> he was doing a job that the whole 227 year old idea of America demanded,
> just because 1) it was working, and 2) certain enemy-in-friend-clothing
> nations didn't like that. If Clinton were fighting an honorable war to save
> a desperately beleaguered nation, no Republican would have said he should be
> impeached because French socialists didn't like it.
So your criteria applies only one way and not the other? I think
that's widely considered partisan and hypocrytical.
> Conversely, If Bush were a rapist, Republicans would be the first to vote
> for impeachment, rather than dig in their heels and say that they would
> NEVER vote for it, no matter WHAT, like the Democrats did.
Their actions so far with regards to executive scandal have not proven
so.
> > When you make statements like this, you
> > really sound like you, in fact, hate the first amendment.
>
> Not at all. As I've said MANY times before, people like Bruce and the Dixie
> Chicks are completely free to say whatever they want, and should be. But
> those of us who hear it are likewise free to make judgements about their
> honor, errant loyalties, and/or assholedness for it. Nobody has an
> inalienable right to only be interpreted in good terms, even, indeed:
> *especially*, when they say things that are repugnant.
I agree with you here. Accusing people of hating their country is
just hateful, ignorant and not at all helpful.
> As a separate issue, what Bruce is doing is just plain bad for business. Not
> that I care, but you'd think HE would, since people paying ticket and album
> prices are his bread and butter. People regularly boo in large numbers when
> he goes into his anti american screeds on stage, and tear up their ticket
> stubs, and leave. Those people will probably not be going to his shows in
> the future. He can say what he wants, of course, but THAT's just plain dumb.
> Nobody HAS to sit and listen. WE're free, too. Amazing how socialists seem
> to think that their freedom to make hate speeches carries a requirement that
> that those speeches be heard.
You sure throw the whole "socialist" thing around. You overapply it.
> > The whole
> > "conservatives are Nazis" thing is certainly often misapplied and
> > played out, but when you say things like this, you sound fascist (at
> > least to me).
>
> There's that most favorite of liberal insults again. Yawn.
Maybe the frequency with which it is applied is proportionate to its
relevancy.
>and by logical extension, hating your country (unless you happen to
> be
> > > in a country that you're not *allowed* to leave, which is CLEARLY not
> the
> > > case.)
> >
> > Everything you wrote here is so disgustingly self-righteous that I
> > don't have the stomach to fully dissect and dispose of it.
>
> Well then why doesn't Bruce leave? He's not required to stay where he hates.
> Must be the money. There's the nice, sincere stand-up guy. <GUFFAW>
Because that's not his only option, and it's really not up to you to
decide what his options are. I guess he loves his country, loves his
fellow citizens, and disagrees with the Bush Administration, which is
100% American.
> > However,
> > >That's why everyone guffawed, even a lot of leftists I know, when
> > > Alec Baldwin said he'd go to France and then didn't.
> >
> > If this is true, then I join you in your criticism of him.
>
> You can find out. It's all over Google. And not just him. Several Hollywood
> bozos 'threatened' to leave if Bush won. Guess what: they all still live
> here.
>
> Freep
>
> Footnotes:
>
> 1) He surely wouldn't admit that that was what his problem was, but since
> his statement that it's because we're killing people pegs the laugh-o-meter
> (more people than Saddam would have killed in the same time period?
> <GUFFAWS>),
So that's the criteria for whether innocent deaths are acceptable? I
guess we've (or you at least) really sunk.
>I think we're back to the "is he stupid, or does he KNOW that
> isn't true, but say it *anyway*" thing.
Sounds like you're talking about Bush.
>As I've said before, I don't bother
> to resolve that question when it comes up, because *either* identifies
> someone as nobody I want to waste time listening to. At BEST, he's clearly
> an idiot. OTOH, if he knows better, then what's really going on is that he
> hates seeing America solve a huge problem of humanity with a Republican at
> the helm. I call that an asshole.
That's your right. But calling someone an asshole is different than
misrepresenting them as a socialist or saying they hate their country.
Listen, if you don't want to read my responses to your posts, then
killfile me. Please. You're not nearly as important as you think.
If you want to post inflammatory distortions of the truth, you have to
expect people will take issue with them. Your replies regarding the
above topic are full of holes.
Steve Vai
Fearless Freep
let you go. Get some rest. You need it. A few tranquilizers wouldn't hurt,
either. You should ask your doctor.
"socialism is not an all or nothing system"... heh heh heh,
Freep
Marc Mulay
Roy Blankenship
"Marc Mulay" <mvm...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I'll start this off and say Tom Petty. Why? His charity work.
Though a lot of you may not recognize his name, Colin Hay from Men At Work
(lead singer and guitarist) is one of the most decent people I have ever
met, he is absolutely hilarious, his acoustic shows at Largo in LA are
captivating, and he is one star who is not afraid to show up and mingle.
Roy
Fearless Freep
least afraid to take [very] odd gigs. I remember one time he did an episode
of [the TV comedy show about young doctors] Scrubs. He played, get this, a
stiff, who sits as a spirit, at the foot of his *own* deathbed (while *lying
dead in it* at the same time, now), singing and playing guitar: "I can't get
to sleep...I think about the implications..."
You had to see it. It managed to be piss-your-pants-funny, and
heartbreakingly poignant at the same time. How many people can pull *that*
off? Someone sees tears on your face, and you honestly *can't say* if it's
from laughing or crying. He's got MY respect...
Freep
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<...;)...>
CyberVeX
> Temper, temper. Well, now that you've burned out a bearing, I guess I can
> let you go. Get some rest. You need it. A few tranquilizers wouldn't hurt,
> either. You should ask your doctor.
>
>
> "socialism is not an all or nothing system"... heh heh heh,
>
> Freep
Hilarious. Socialism isn't anti-freedom, of course, because it can be
applied "in part." Of course, that begs the question as to which part is
compatible with freedom.
j...@3inthekey.com
boss and didn't have time to come up with a better phrase, so I
apologize. My point is, socialism does not necessarily require all
the proletariat uniting and conquering the world and all that, or
wealth being redistributed by the government, and is not fundamentally
opposed . You used an overly simplistic, high school freshman-level
definition of it. You should be more informed. As for the temper
comments, don't flatter yourself. However, I could use a nap -
thanks.
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Dale Houstman
As an idea, socialism is totally compatible with freedom, as is
capitalism. In practice, neither is totally compatible with freedom,
which remains an ideal asymptote, but not a reality.
dmh
Lord Hasenpfeffer
>
> Though a lot of you may not recognize his name, Colin Hay from Men At Work
> (lead singer and guitarist) is one of the most decent people I have ever
> met, he is absolutely hilarious, his acoustic shows at Largo in LA are
> captivating, and he is one star who is not afraid to show up and mingle.
Add Ivan Doroschuk, lead singer/songwriter for Men Without Hats, to that
list.
Funny for such a nice guy he'd wind up having a brother like Stefan.
Rock Guitar Seattle
wrote:
>Because the initial category was "rock", I'll stick w/ it and add
>another mass-market name/act; Bruce Springsteen.
Fuck that. He almost got booed off the state a few weeks back for his
"Impeach Bush" speech. He's a fucking cocksucker who's completely OUT
of touch with the real world (just the the rest of the fucking rock
world).
Marc Mulay
should be held in the highest regard by wise and experienced peers.
I will file your view accordingly. Thank you ;)
Teddy
Marc Mulay
I'll have add, rolling Stone's drummer, Charlie Watts. His facial
expression throughout the years, just WATCHING Jagger. Tits.
Teddy wrote:
> George Harrison.
Teddy
Of course, there are so MANY potential nominees, there oughta be
sub-categories. Maybe by instrument, or by the particular defining
thing that makes him/her an asshole. For ex, "For biggest asshole
drummer, the nominees are Keith Moon, John Bonham...." or "For worst
spouse abuse, the nominees are Ike Turner, Phil Spector...."
Rock Guitar Seattle
wrote:
>You sound like an intelligent, thoughtful creative guy whose opinion
>should be held in the highest regard by wise and experienced peers.
>I will file your view accordingly. Thank you ;)
Bite me.
Marc Mulay
register the shock as pain.
Marc Mulay
re-direction in the thread'
"In your opinion..."
Fearless Freep
guess what: when his career takes a nosedive, NOBODY will be more surprised
than little Brucie himself. And *then*, he'll start screaming 'conspiracy'.
The leftists always do when their own foolish actions bite them in the ass.
It couldn't be their *own* fault, after all...
Freep
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Fearless Freep
Freep
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Lord Hasenpfeffer
>
> Fuck that. He almost got booed off the state a few weeks back for his
> "Impeach Bush" speech.
No, no, that was his crowd saying "Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!"
Nobody ever boos Springsteen! :)
Fearless Freep
yelling "Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!" tend not to simultaneously tear up their ticket
stubs and file out of the arena mid-show.
Things are tough all over, doc; even for Broooose.
Freep
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Lord Hasenpfeffer
>
> Why?
I'm afraid to say why. He might threaten to sue me.
> Who is Stefan?
Ivan's pro-lawyer / anti-fan brother and Men Without Hats' lead
guitarist / sometimes producer.
Lord Hasenpfeffer
>
> "Lord Hasenpfeffer" <my...@spamsucks.ionet.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8BEEC1...@spamsucks.ionet.net...
>
>>Rock Guitar Seattle wrote:
>>
>>>Fuck that. He almost got booed off the state a few weeks back for his
>>>"Impeach Bush" speech.
>>
>>No, no, that was his crowd saying "Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!"
>>
>>Nobody ever boos Springsteen! :)
>
> yelling "Bruuuuuuuuuuuce!" tend not to simultaneously tear up their
> ticket stubs and file out of the arena mid-show.
>
> Things are tough all over, doc; even for Broooose.
I was just playing devil's advocate. I'm sure if anyone asked Bruce why
he was booed by the crowd, that's what he'd say.
Bruce is boo-proof!
Lord Hasenpfeffer
> Bruce is boo-proof!
Lord God King Boo-Proof. :)
Fearless Freep
brother, Little Jeffy Feiger. Google Geoffrey Fieger, if you want to read
about a real kook.
Go figure.
Freep
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Fearless Freep
the boys were opening for Brooose. They went out to play, and thought they
were being stoutly booed. Kind of hurt their feelings. TP says he later
found out that they had been yelling "Broooooooooooooose!!", and he felt
better about it.
Kind of a neat story.
Freep
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TokenBlackGuy
<fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote:
>The leftists always do when their own foolish actions bite them in the ass.
>It couldn't be their *own* fault, after all...
How would you classify yourself?
Fearless Freep
How would you answer it yourself?
Freep
"TokenBlackGuy" <TokenBlackGuy@> wrote in message
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Lord Hasenpfeffer
> Huh. You know who else? Doug Feiger, of The Knack, has a rabid-lawyer
> brother, Little Jeffy Feiger. Google Geoffrey Fieger, if you want to read
> about a real kook.
>
> Go figure.
Yeah, IIRC, he defended Kevorkian.
Marc Mulay
-Fearful Crapped-His-Thong in an alt.guitar.amps post, re; Bruce
Springsteen....10/03
No further comment required...;)
Marc Mulay
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Rock'n'roll superstar Bruce
Springsteen wraps up his worldwide "The Rising" tour
on a political note this weekend in New York, where
the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks provided inspiration for
his latest songs.
Springsteen wove strong criticism of the
administration of President Bush into the first of the final three
shows at Shea Stadium on Wednesday night, playing a
recording of Bush talking about weapons of mass
destruction, questioning America's motives for the war
in Iraq and calling for Bush's defeat as he seeks
re-election next year.
"It is time to impeach the president and put in
somebody that knows what they're doing," the musician,
known as "The Boss," told the crowd.
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Somewhere in a dark, flatulence laden basement with so little oxygen his
canary was on its back gasping, Fearful Crapped-His-Thong quickly logged onto
a porn site, lubed up his unit withbird droppings and ejaculated to
temporarily kill the pain. He then resumed posting on behalf of the ignoramous
party...
Marc Mulay
Fearlful Crapped-His-Thong confessed:
TokenBlackGuy
<fr...@thisdimension.com> wrote:
>> How would you classify yourself?
>As a human. That's one way, anyway. Your question *was* pretty broad.
So was your insinuation about politically-left people.
>How would you answer it yourself?
As a person that refers to leftists with such broad, negative strokes,
how do you classify yourself?
Marc Mulay
You are!
No you are!
You are!
No you are!
You are!
No you are!
TokenBlackGuy
wrote:
>Boing....boing...boing....boing. This thread was doomed from the start.
Of course you're right ...er, correct.
Marc Mulay
into it. Good luck. Marc
j...@3inthekey.com
> It a tie. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. Because they truly love
> their fans and always give good value for the money they shell out.
> For example, they could have charged a lot more than $1,000 for the
> best tickets on this tour, but they didn't. To me, that says a lot
> about their devotion to the people that have basically supported their
> lifestyle for the last 30 years.
This is definetly valid, and I respect that. Gene Simmons always
seemed like Ted Nugent with makeup to me, though.
Marc Mulay
j...@3inthekey.com
"(take) a nosedive" now?
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Marc Mulay
more to work with".
It's a veritible shooting gallery.
j...@3inthekey.com
fair answer. He's just trying to drag you into a labyrinth of
nonsense.
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CyberVeX
> capitalism. In practice, neither is totally compatible with freedom,
> which remains an ideal asymptote, but not a reality.
>
> dmh
Well I can't say I know of any socialist "ideas" that are compatible with
freedom either.
Marc Mulay
Sweden, is comparable in wieght and distribution frequency to charginos,
leptoquarks--- ya ______________.
TokenBlackGuy
wrote:
>I'm sure you already know this, but he's never going to give you a
>fair answer. He's just trying to drag you into a labyrinth of
>nonsense.
Thanks. I kind of guessed that after the "Gore only contributed $353
to charity" thing.
TokenBlackGuy
wrote:
Before this gets too misleading, I should point out I was being
sarcastic. I don't have a problem with KISS, but I thought the $1000
tickets were beyond reprehension.
Dale Houstman
Then read the original texts.
But - actually - you have a point: life itself isn't compatible with
total freedom. Too many necessary actions to be performed. Anarchism
(once the stereotypes of it are put aside) has more qualities that are
compatible with freedom, but since (as Sartre put it) "Hell is other
people," one is always "beholding" to some degree or another. It's all a
matter of what you want to preserve from the ideal of total freedom in
the "real" world.
dmh
Fearless Freep
As I keep saying, you just *can't* make this shit up.
Freep
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Fearless Freep
Do a little research, man. You're embarrassing yourself. Debunking lies is
one thing, but when you find yourself debunking truths, it's time to stop
digging.
Oh, well. Meet Jim, and Marcie, and all the other killfile wraiths.
Freep
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