To the maroons who think Jon Anderson of Yes and Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin sang in falsetto
Raja, The Great
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It is a commonly held misconception that Jon Anderson sings falsetto,
a vocal technique which artificially produces high, airy notes by
using only the ligamentous edges of the vocal cords; however, Jon
Anderson does not sing falsetto. His normal singing (and speaking)
voice is naturally above the tenor range. In a 2008 interview with the
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Jon stated, "I'm an alto tenor and I can sing
certain high notes, but I could never sing falsetto, so I go and hit
them high."[4] He is also noted for singing in his original
Lancastrian accent.
Anderson is also responsible for most of the mystically-themed lyrics
and concepts which are part of many Yes releases. These elements are
crucial components of the classic Yes sound, but have occasionally
alienated some members of the band (most notably Bruford and Rick
Wakeman), contributing to their leaving the group. The lyrics are
frequently inspired by various books Anderson has enjoyed, from
Tolstoy's War and Peace to Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha. A footnote in
Paramahansa Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi inspired an entire
double album Tales from Topographic Oceans (1973). Recurring themes
include environmentalism, pacifism and sun-worship.
Robert Plant
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Robert Plant is one of the most significant singers in rock music and
has influenced the style of many of his contemporaries, including
Geddy Lee, Ann Wilson,[27] Sammy Hagar,[28] and later rock vocalists
such as Jeff Buckley who imitated his performing style extensively.
Freddie Mercury of Queen also was influenced by Plant. Encyclopædia
Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
in 1990
Raja, The Great
Robert Plant's voice and singing technique were very unusual compared
to other rock lead singers of the era such as John Lennon, Mick Jagger
and others, and these traits helped to define the unique sound of Led
Zeppelin and ultimately the heavy metal vocal style. Plant is a tenor
and his powerful, high-pitched, wailing vocals are famously showcased
in many Led Zeppelin songs such as "Communication Breakdown", "Dazed
and Confused","Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Whole Lotta Love".
His singing method is characterised by a slightly higher than average
male voice and an aggressive, rough timbre. His performance in the
1969 song "Communication Breakdown" is particularly intense and is
often cited as one of the first examples of the modern punk vocal
style. Plant's more relaxed and tender verses are often followed by an
explosive chorus, such as in the songs "Ramble On" and "Stairway to
Heaven", which helped to establish and popularise the rock ballad
format. Plant became one of the most significant rock singers of the
1970s, influencing the style of many of his contemporaries like Steven
Tyler, Paul Stanley, Freddie Mercury, Bon Scott, and Robin Zander, and
later, rock vocalists such as Brian Johnson, Axl Rose, Chris Robinson,
Shannon Hoon, and Justin Hawkins.
richforman
Yes and Led Zeppelin are both really good.
Your work here is done, never post in rmb again.
richforman
moonpie
good luck with that ;-)
Raja, The Great
NQ!
richforman
You're welcome. (Sorry everybody, couldn't resist!)
richforman
Ray
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Good one.
I'm just wondering, did anyone here actually suggest that they sang in
falsetto (all the time?) I suspect there's a strawman involved here.
I don't think (usually) sang in falsetto. Although he did often sing
like his dick was caught in his zipper.
brilton
luminaries such and Mister Charlie and Bugs Bunny used to throw around
for effect, but the term also refers to colonies of escaped African
slaves in places like Haiti and Jamaica and other parts of Latin America
who staked out their turf and ultimately negotiated with their former
colonial masters for land and other rights. (thanks Wikipedia)
So maybe we should quarantine this word (excepting vintage Warner
Brothers cartoons, which can just have a disclaimer at the start of the
DVD that apologises for any cultural offense which is not intended in
this day and age).
Anyway, just a thought.
Hmm, what's "Yes"? Oh I remember; "Owner Of A Lonely Heart".
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Hmm, what's "Yes"? Oh I remember; "Owner Of A Lonely Heart".
Oh, yeah, I remember Yes! Very cool new wave band - we used to dance to
"Owner of a Lonely Heart" in the clubs back in the '80s. I believe they
did an oldies tour a few years ago with Adam Ant and Flock of Seagulls.
I wonder where they are now
Raja, The Great
Learn to keep up. some people have been posting about this. And I have
constantly refuted it.
Raja, The Great
> On 27 Oct 2010, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote in
Very funny
Ray
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well of course you would, they're both cute with poofy hair and tight
pants. That seems to be right up your alley roger.
jtees4
>Freddie Mercury of Queen also was influenced by Plant. Encyclop�dia
>Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
>of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
>created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
>singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
>emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
>in 1990
It's still called shreaking though...correct? ;-)
****
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Raja, The Great
> >Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
> >of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
> >created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
> >singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
> >emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
> >in 1990
>
> It's still called shreaking though...correct? ;-)
>
If you are talking shrieking, then Janis Joplin, deserves a special
mention. I am amazed you would consider Jon Anderson a shrieker. You
seriously haven't heard him.
Raja, The Great
How old are you?
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > -------------------
> > It is a commonly held misconception that Jon Anderson sings falsetto,
> > a vocal technique which artificially produces high, airy notes by
> > using only the ligamentous edges of the vocal cords; however, Jon
> > Anderson does not sing falsetto. His normal singing (and speaking)
> > voice is naturally above the tenor range.
>
> different in this clip:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayGGZhTc7JI
>
> This may have been pre-castration.
He sung differently in the debut. People voice change. Anderson's
voice became more "angelic" (thats not my word) over as he aged in
the 70s.
iarwain
I also read an interview with Ted Nugent where he said he never used
scales. I'm not sure you can always believe what musicians say. I'm
certainly not saying Anderson or Plant sang in falsetto all the time,
or even a lot of the time, I have no idea. It just seems unusual to
me that a singer would intentionally not ever use such a common
singing technique.
I also find it interesting that people find it such a commendable
thing that a guy can sing very high without lapsing into falsetto. It
seems like a deeper voice would be considered more masculine. I
suppose it's impressive because it's rarer.
>Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha. A footnote in Paramahansa Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi
I read both of those books, I liked them very much. The first is on
Buddhism, and the second is Hindu. I'm a Christian, but I appreciate
the spirituality in them. Autobiography of a Yogi was a big favorite
of George Harrison, he supposedly read it over and over again.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> I also find it interesting that people find it such a commendable
> thing that a guy can sing very high without lapsing into falsetto.
> It seems like a deeper voice would be considered more masculine.
They sing in that range because that's the vocal equipment they have.
It's not to sound more or less "masculine".
And what does their vocal pitch have to do with how masculine they are?
Fuck what "would be considered."
crazytimes
> More about Robert Plant's voice....
> Robert Plant's voice and singing technique were very unusual compared
> to other rock lead singers of the era such as John Lennon, Mick Jagger
> and others, and these traits helped to define the unique sound of Led
> Zeppelin and ultimately the heavy metal vocal style. Plant is a tenor
> and his powerful, high-pitched, wailing vocals are famously showcased
> in many Led Zeppelin songs such as "Communication Breakdown", "Dazed
> and Confused","Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Whole Lotta Love".
> His singing method is characterised by a slightly higher than average
> male voice and an aggressive, rough timbre.
He musta been influenced in some regard by Janis Joplin... Plant had
a great voice before he blew it out in the Autumn of '72, I guess,
after or during the Far East tour of that year... His UK offerings in
December '72 bear witness to a voice that is strained, broken, and a
pale cellophane wrapping of itself... His voice was never to be the
same again... Listen to How the West Was Won (June, 1972) vs. Song
Remains the Same (July, 1973)... The '73 Plant is just awful, and
with a band like Zeppelin, who rely on a four-pronged attack, it is
devastating, for the rest of the band flags along with the wounded
member... They were never the same high-pitched power-blues band
again (though I hold Physical Graffite in high regard)...
That said, not everyone has a taste for a male vocalist who sounds
like he's got his balls caught in a vice, with a rampaging rhythm
section behind him... I can see (hear) both sides of the 'Zeppelin
rules/sucks' debate... It's not everyone's cup of mulch...
RichL
news:378885d8-2ade-4e6b...@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
> of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
> created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
> singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
> emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
> in 1990
Aside from the issue of where you copped those two paragraphs (without
attribution, again), you've gotta understand the following.
In non-falsetto male voices, there's a distinction between "chest voice" and
"head voice". For lower-pitched notes, males usually sing in "chest voice"
(the muscular modulation is occurring deeper in the larynx) but there's a
small range of notes in which the singer de-emphasizes the lower larynx
movement and uses more the upper larynx. This is "head voice".
Anderson's typical "Yes" voice is head voice, it's not falsetto.
That clip of "pre-Yes" Anderson that poisoned rose posted is sung in
Anderson's chest voice, which is why it sounds different.
I've never heard Anderson sing in true falsetto.
Now savor that little victory, 'cause it's not going to last long.
Plant sings his highest notes in falsetto.
First, read what you posted about Plant; nothing you wrote contradicts that
he sang in falsetto.
Some people can sing falsetto and make it very POWERFUL, not weak and wussy.
Plant is one of those people.
Second, the link you didn't post but quoted from makes an analogy with
Freddie Mercury, among others. Freddie sings a lot of his high stuff in
falsetto on studio recordings, and you'll notice if you ever heard a live
Queen concert that either (1) he drops down to notes that are different from
the studio recordings or (2) Roger Taylor sings those high parts. The
reason is that Freddie has a fairly weak falsetto that can be enhanced
studio-wise but is kind of feeble live.
Another sign that Plant sings the high notes in falsetto is that you'll
notice that he never goes up a scale from below and then into that high-note
range, he JUMPS to it. The reason is that when you're voice goes from
"normal" into falsetto there's a point where it's wobbly if you try to sing
one note "normal" and the next note in a scale in falsetto. But if you jump
several notes, it's more stable. Knowledgeable singers know this and
construct their melodies to avoid that "wobbly" range. Those jumps are all
over Plant's singing and indicate to me that he's smart enough to know where
his "wobbly" point is and consciously avoid it.
Raja, The Great
> On Oct 27, 9:49 am, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > More about Robert Plant's voice....
> > Robert Plant's voice and singing technique were very unusual compared
> > to other rock lead singers of the era such as John Lennon, Mick Jagger
> > and others, and these traits helped to define the unique sound of Led
> > Zeppelin and ultimately the heavy metal vocal style. Plant is a tenor
> > and his powerful, high-pitched, wailing vocals are famously showcased
> > in many Led Zeppelin songs such as "Communication Breakdown", "Dazed
> > and Confused","Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Whole Lotta Love".
> > His singing method is characterised by a slightly higher than average
> > male voice and an aggressive, rough timbre.
>
> He musta been influenced in some regard by Janis Joplin... Plant had
> a great voice before he blew it out in the Autumn of '72, I guess,
> after or during the Far East tour of that year... His UK offerings in
> December '72 bear witness to a voice that is strained, broken, and a
> pale cellophane wrapping of itself...
I agree. His voice until Houses of the Holy is excellent. But in
Physical Graffiti, he had completley lost it. Just listen to Kashmir
once again. The song is saved by the excellent arrangement of Jones,
guitar work from Page and drumming of Bonzo. But Plant's voice is
completey gone.
>His voice was never to be the
> same again... Listen to How the West Was Won (June, 1972) vs. Song
> Remains the Same (July, 1973)... The '73 Plant is just awful, and
> with a band like Zeppelin, who rely on a four-pronged attack, it is
> devastating, for the rest of the band flags along with the wounded
> member... They were never the same high-pitched power-blues band
> again (though I hold Physical Graffite in high regard)...
Most of PG is before 1973.... at least half the songs.. so it is not
apparent. You can clearly spot the Plant weakness in Presence and In
Through The Out Door.
>
> That said, not everyone has a taste for a male vocalist who sounds
> like he's got his balls caught in a vice, with a rampaging rhythm
> section behind him... I can see (hear) both sides of the 'Zeppelin
> rules/sucks' debate... It's not everyone's cup of mulch...
I agree... many people can't sound the slightly girly sounding voices
of Robert Plant, Jon Anderson, Geddy Lee etc. It must be a homophobic
thing. What if the lead singer of these bands were a hot chick instead
with a similar high pitched voice... would these people like them?
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:378885d8-2ade-4e6b...@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
>
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Good post.
Lesbian Bondage Fiasco
> On Oct 27, 3:53�pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Plant sings his highest notes in falsetto.
>> First, read what you posted about Plant; nothing you wrote
>> contradicts that he sang in falsetto.
>> Some people can sing falsetto and make it very POWERFUL, not weak and
>> wussy. Plant is one of those people.
>
Yet when I said Plant sang in falsetto in the other thread you called me an
idiot. Tell me who's the idiot now, you moronic fucktarded spammer.
Raja, The Great
You didn't read RichL's post did you?
RichL
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----
Did you? I think Plant DID sing in falsetto!
jtees4
>> >Freddie Mercury of Queen also was influenced by Plant. Encyclop�dia
>> >Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
>> >of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
>> >created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
>> >singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
>> >emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
>> >in 1990
>>
>> It's still called shreaking though...correct? ;-)
>>
>> ****http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610- Hide quoted text -
>
>If you are talking shrieking, then Janis Joplin, deserves a special
>mention. I am amazed you would consider Jon Anderson a shrieker. You
>seriously haven't heard him.
Janis would be the Queen of shreiking I'd agree. Jon Anderson to me,
is a shreiker who somehow does it in a soft voice...no easy feat
actually. I like his voice sometimes, shreiking is not a song killer
to me....sometimes it is needed in a song.
****
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The Great" wrote in messagenews:29032d8e-e976-4b4a...@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
I did it... It was a good response. You explained your point very
well, even though I don't agree with your point.
moonpie
<crazyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 27, 9:49�am, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> More about Robert Plant's voice....
>> Robert Plant's voice and singing technique were very unusual compared
>> to other rock lead singers of the era such as John Lennon, Mick Jagger
>> and others, and these traits helped to define the unique sound of Led
>> Zeppelin and ultimately the heavy metal vocal style. Plant is a tenor
>> and his powerful, high-pitched, wailing vocals are famously showcased
>> in many Led Zeppelin songs such as "Communication Breakdown", "Dazed
>> and Confused","Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Whole Lotta Love".
>> His singing method is characterised by a slightly higher than average
>> male voice and an aggressive, rough timbre.
>
>He musta been influenced in some regard by Janis Joplin... Plant had
>a great voice before he blew it out in the Autumn of '72, I guess,
>after or during the Far East tour of that year...
I thought he sounded pretty good in 73 on the tour. I've heard several
bootlegs from ealry to mid tour and he sounds very good
I think it was after that tour, he had some kind of surgery
His UK offerings in
>December '72 bear witness to a voice that is strained, broken, and a
>pale cellophane wrapping of itself... His voice was never to be the
>same again... Listen to How the West Was Won (June, 1972) vs. Song
>Remains the Same (July, 1973)... The '73 Plant is just awful
thats because you're listening to the very last three nights of a very
long tour. He always sounded like that towards the end of a tour. Not
surprising.
Raja, The Great
> >> >Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
> >> >of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
> >> >created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
> >> >singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
> >> >emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
> >> >in 1990
>
> >> It's still called shreaking though...correct? ;-)
>
>
> >If you are talking shrieking, then Janis Joplin, deserves a special
> >mention. I am amazed you would consider Jon Anderson a shrieker. You
> >seriously haven't heard him.
>
> Janis would be the Queen of shreiking I'd agree. Jon Anderson to me,
> is a shreiker who somehow does it in a soft voice...no easy feat
> actually. I like his voice sometimes, shreiking is not a song killer
> to me....sometimes it is needed in a song.
Shrieking is not the right word for Plant or Anderson or even Gillan.
Gillan screams a lot, but doesnt produce a screeching sound. Neither
do Plant of Anderson. They all have exceptional range. Plant is even
better as he has raw emotion in his voice which Gillan and Anderson do
no posses. The only shrieker I can think of is Janis Joplin.
Absolutely hate her voice. Why she is considered a great singer is
beyond me...
If you want to hear a great female singer, listen to Amon Duul II
singer Renate Knaup... she is the female Robert Plant really.... a
probably better...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumuIud0Oo0&feature=related
She was not bad to look at either.
>
> ****http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Ray
I'm in the middle of that one, I can name about a dozen songs by them
that are very musical and entertaining, but for me anyway, they're the
very definition of overrated.
Raja, The Great
lol, critics always hated them... Led Zeppelin I was bashed by Rolling
Stone magazine.
crazytimes
From what I've heard of the '73 shows, they generally have a good-to-
bad times, mid-range Robert, but it's not the powerful high-pitched
sound that made Zeppelin special, imo... There's no hitting of the
high notes in the songs... For a while on that tour they got by
because Page/Bonham&Jones were still playing tight... But what made
the Song Remains MOVIE so bad was that the band had gotten super
sloppy by that point (the end of the tour)...
moonpie
are you talking about the movie audio soundtrack (which I dont think
is bad at all, quite the contrary) or the footage?
crazytimes
The audio... My point is, they weren't the same band that they had
been a year earlier, when they were at their peak... Plant's voice
wasn't the same... People like (or dislike) Zeppelin in all their
eras for various reasons, though, so it's all valid in the end...
moonpie
I disagree with that too, I still think they were very good in 1973.
Have you heard Vienna 1973 or Offenburg? Holy cow
there are even some great boots from 75, altho not as many, and Plants
voice has definitely been affected, but still, they were a great band,
once the tour got rolling... Dallas and Seattle are good indicators..
even the 77 tour had a couple of brilliant spots, have you heard
Listen to this Eddie, from the LA forum in 77? really good
just my opinions. I dont think anything from the Song Remains the Same
is very "sloppy".... in fact, I'd love for any of my bands to be that
sloppy
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> just my opinions. I dont think anything from the Song Remains the
> Same is very "sloppy".... in fact, I'd love for any of my bands to
> be that sloppy
I don't think TSRTS is particular any more sloppy than at times before.
I don't much like that performance, but sloppiness isn't the reason.
I think Led Zeppelin was at their peak in '71 and '72. That's when they
were still fighting their way to the top, but hadn't gotten too full of
themselves. By '73 they had started to be just... too much. This is
looking back in hindsight - at the time I ate up everything they did.
crazytimes
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT), crazytimes
>
>
>
Yeah, they didn't go 'completely' down the tubes... They were still a
world class band... But they weren't the best (and before Plant's
voice gave out, they could make that contemporary claim as it was
happening)...
Compare, if you will:
1972 Rock and Roll...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3bcAKErY1U
1973 Rock and Roll...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owmrpWyTdxQ
&
1972 Immigration Song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-JgvGsR4IU
Raja, The Great
Yeah they were getting homesick. John Paul Jones almost quit the band
in 1973... And the PG sessions in 1973 were also suspended because JPJ
wasn't feeling well.
"The recording sessions for Physical Graffiti initially took place in
November 1973 at Headley Grange in East Hampshire, England. For these
recordings, the band used Ronnie Lane's Mobile Studio. However, these
sessions came to a halt quickly and the studio time was turned over to
the band Bad Company, who used it to record songs for their debut
album, Bad Company.[2] In an interview he gave in 1975, guitarist and
album producer Jimmy Page explained the reason for this abrupt
cessation of recording:
It took a long time for this album mainly because when we originally
went in to record it, John Paul Jones wasn't well and we had to cancel
the time . . . everything got messed up. It took three months to sort
the situation out."
Raja, The Great
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Have you seen the Led Zeppelin DVD. Their performance at Albert Hall
1970 is amazing. I have heard the bootleg and it is amazing as well.
There are some mistakes which the band makes, which I think were
removed from the DVD. Also the DVD does not include some songs like
Long Tall Sally, which they should have in my opinion.
Raja, The Great
> On 28 Oct 2010, moonpie <mr_rc_moon...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Thats not true...They never got full of themselves. They just had got
tired of touring. They had some some good shows in 1975 - especially
Earls Court. A band's peak will not last for eternity. Especially for
a partying, drinking and substance abusing band like Led Zeppelin. I
still think they were at their peaks in studio from 1968-74 and live
from 1968-75.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Thats not true...They never got full of themselves.
If it's "the truth", there is proof. Show us.
moonpie
those are just singluar performances, and to me, cant justify an
entire time frame.
You and Nils seem to be in agreement, and I'm not, but, thats just how
it is gonna have to be, and, I hope it doesnt ruin anybody's day ;-)
Raja, The Great
> On 28 Oct 2010, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > Thats not true...They never got full of themselves.
>
> If it's "the truth", there is proof. Show us.
You made the statement first. Show us.
Raja, The Great
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:43:06 -0700 (PDT), crazytimes
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
What I read is the 1973 tour was very good and lasted long. But they
just happened to film their worst performances towards the end of the
tour.
jtees4
>> >> >Freddie Mercury of Queen also was influenced by Plant. Encyclop�dia
I tried to listen to her BUT the guitar being out of tune distracted
me so much I could not even hear her.
****
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Raja, The Great
> >> >> >Britannica notes "Exaggerating the vocal style and expressive palette
> >> >> >of blues singers such as Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, [Robert] Plant
> >> >> >created the sound that has defined much hard rock and heavy metal
> >> >> >singing: a high range, an abundance of distortion, loud volume, and
> >> >> >emotional excess".[29] Plant received the Knebworth Silver Clef Award
> >> >> >in 1990
>
> >> >> It's still called shreaking though...correct? ;-)
>
>
> >> >If you are talking shrieking, then Janis Joplin, deserves a special
> >> >mention. I am amazed you would consider Jon Anderson a shrieker. You
> >> >seriously haven't heard him.
>
> >> Janis would be the Queen of shreiking I'd agree. Jon Anderson to me,
> >> is a shreiker who somehow does it in a soft voice...no easy feat
> >> actually. I like his voice sometimes, shreiking is not a song killer
> >> to me....sometimes it is needed in a song.
>
> >Shrieking is not the right word for Plant or Anderson or even Gillan.
> >Gillan screams a lot, but doesnt produce a screeching sound. Neither
> >do Plant of Anderson. They all have exceptional range. Plant is even
> >better as he has raw emotion in his voice which Gillan and Anderson do
> >no posses. The only shrieker I can think of is Janis Joplin.
> >Absolutely hate her voice. Why she is considered a great singer is
> >beyond me...
>
> >If you want to hear a great female singer, listen to Amon Duul II
> >singer Renate Knaup... she is the female Robert Plant really.... a
> >probably better...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumuIud0Oo0&feature=related
>
> >She was not bad to look at either.
>
> >> ****http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>
> I tried to listen to her BUT the guitar being out of tune distracted
> me so much I could not even hear her.
>
Its not a very good song and is from one of the albums from their post
peak period. Listen to Archangel's Thunderbird. That is from their
best album - Yeti. And her voice is amazing in that.
> ****http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610- Hide quoted text -
>
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
I never made any statement about what is "the truth".
You are full of shit, as always.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> All of you who are haggling about Led Zeppelin's performance chops
> yet totally ignored all my recent mentions of fresher acts have no
> right to ever protest Raja posting too much about the same few
> bands.
Blow it out your ass. I have every right to do so and I will.
moonpie
He's an idiot. there are boots from the 1975 tour where Plant sounds
like he's preaching to the masses.
"I"M A GOLDEN GOD!"
cant get much fuller of yourself than that.
Raja, The Great
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:03:17 -0400, Nil
>
> >On 28 Oct 2010, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >rec.music.beatles:
>
> >> Thats not true...They never got full of themselves.
>
> >If it's "the truth", there is proof. Show us.
>
> He's an idiot. there are boots from the 1975 tour where Plant sounds
> like he's preaching to the masses.
>
> "I"M A GOLDEN GOD!"
>
> cant get much fuller of yourself than that.
Plant always had a sense of humor. We was called a Golden God by the
press before he started calling himself.
Raja, The Great
> On 28 Oct 2010, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > On Oct 28, 2:03 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 28 Oct 2010, "Raja, The Great" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> rec.music.beatles:
>
> >> > Thats not true...They never got full of themselves.
>
> >> If it's "the truth", there is proof. Show us.
>
> > You made the statement first. Show us.
>
> I never made any statement about what is "the truth".
>
> You are full of shit, as always.
Don't ask me for proof when you yourself cannot back up your wild
accusations.
rwalker
But, but, but, .... PR's God. He says so.
iarwain
I think the Song Remains the Same album is amazing. But I've also
heard it is heavily edited.
I'm sure Page cleaned up a lot of his playing, because what he does on
there throughout is amazing.
Raja, The Great
Seriously...SRTS sucks compared to How The West Was Won and BBC
Sessions...
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Not without looking like a pitiful hypocrite who doesn't *really*
> have interest in varied musical discussions.
You're oh so right, O Giant Brain. You know all and see all.
Now, go bowl it our your ass, pony boy.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Just look at what you've become. What an embarrassment.
Eat my choada, Yoda.
Lesbian Bondage Fiasco
> "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Raja, The Great" wrote in
>> Lesbian Bondage Fiasco <l...@email.com> wrote:
>> > Raja, The Great wrote:
>> > > On Oct 27, 3:53 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Plant sings his highest notes in falsetto.
>> > >> First, read what you posted about Plant; nothing you wrote
>> > >> contradicts that he sang in falsetto.
>> > >> Some people can sing falsetto and make it very POWERFUL, not
>> > >> weak and wussy. Plant is one of those people.
>>
>> > > Good post.
>>
>> > Yet when I said Plant sang in falsetto in the other thread you
>> > called me an idiot. Tell me who's the idiot now, you moronic
>> > fucktarded spammer.
>>>
>>> You didn't read RichL's post did you?
>>
>> Did you? I think Plant DID sing in falsetto!
>
> I did it... It was a good response. You explained your point very
> well, even though I don't agree with your point.
Next time there's a mine accident somewhere forget about expensive high
tech drills - bring Raja over and he will dig himself into a hole and
reach the victims faster than any machine possibly could.
In the meantime please go back to spamming the soccer groups.
moonpie
<redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
seconded. Fuck you Rosie. You and Raja are two peas in a poisoned pod.
moonpie
well, not overdubbed, but editted in an unusual manner.
What he did was take three nights of recordings and take the best bits
and put them all together. They played the same set each night, and
for the album, Page cherry-picked the best bits; took the guitar solo
from the first night, vocal from the third, bass from the first, etc,
on every song.
So its a bit of patchwork, but, there was no studio cleanup or
overdubbing.
iarwain
I'm not sure you can really compare them, since SRTS represents one
tour, and the other two incorporate several. SRTS is more of a
snapshot of the band at a particular time, while on the others you can
see how the band has changed over time. But I like all three.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Again, the contrast between substance and childish insults.
Go fuck your mother again.
Raja, The Great
you have a point. But have you heard their concert Live At Albert
Hall. Have you seen Led Zeppelin DVD yet. That is much better.
RichL
news:prose9-2947B3....@news.eternal-september.org...
> moonpie <mr_rc_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Exhibit A
>> >> All of you who are haggling about Led Zeppelin's performance chops
>> >> yet totally ignored all my recent mentions of fresher acts have no
>> >> right to ever protest Raja posting too much about the same few
>> >> bands.
>
>> >Blow it out your ass. I have every right to do so and I will.
>
>> seconded. Fuck you Rosie. You and Raja are two peas in a poisoned pod.
>
>
They're all pretty childish. Once more you're *whining* because no one paid
attention to your post. You're attempting to steer the newsgroup in a
direction that it has repeatedly indicated (largely through its silence)
that it doesn't want to go, and you're casting a blanket judgment (again) on
the people who post to this group as a result.
In what sense do you consider this "substance"?
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> #5
Self-aggrandizing evasion #687.
Nil
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
Avoidance maneuver #689:
> Just look at what you've become.
I watch you and see what I'm thankful I will never become.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> What in the world am I avoiding? A pretend allegation that me
> pointing out the newsgroup's hypocrisy is no more sophisticated
> than writing "Blow it out your ass, ponyboy" or whatever sobbing
> insult you hurled at me? Please.
Nice straw man you're propping up! Too bad it doesn't fool anyone.
> And for heaven's sake, stop wiping your nose on your guitar neck.
> Gross.
Hope you're having good, moist fun obsessing about men's scrotums.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Really? Where's the straw man?
If you really can't see it, you're too far gone to understand.
> See if you can write a reply which doesn't have the aura of being
> frenetically wound up with petulant adrenaline.
Getting moister?
Raja, The Great
> Shril wrote:
> > > What in the world am I avoiding? A pretend allegation that me
> > > pointing out the newsgroup's hypocrisy is no more sophisticated
> > > than writing "Blow it out your ass, ponyboy" or whatever sobbing
> > > insult you hurled at me? Please.
>
> > Nice straw man you're propping up! Too bad it doesn't fool anyone.
>
> interests and yet still debate them?
Thats because I come with interesting topics.
> And they DON'T repeatedly avoid
> hearing/talking about fresher, less-discussed acts?
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> Imagine if this newsgroup was based on a hunger for knowledge rather
> than emotional nurturing. How different it would be.
Imagine for a moment if you had some inkling why people react to you
like they do. How different it would be.
Until then, you remain a weeping vagina of a man waiting for a
withered, fuzzy scrotum in your face.
who?
> On 30 Oct 2010, poisoned rose <pro...@wipingbottoms.com> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > Imagine if this newsgroup was based on a hunger for knowledge rather
> > than emotional nurturing. How different it would be.
>
> Imagine for a moment if you had some inkling why people react to you
> like they do. How different it would be.
We could make a huge list of all the posters he finds fault with.
More than anyone in this group.
Raja, The Great
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > Imagine if this newsgroup was based on a hunger for knowledge rather
> > than emotional nurturing. How different it would be.
>
> Imagine for a moment if you had some inkling why people react to you
> like they do. How different it would be.
He is the most sensitive guy I have ever seen. He might get offended
even if someone pats his back.
who?
> "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > Imagine if this newsgroup was based on a hunger for knowledge rather
> > > > than emotional nurturing. How different it would be.
>
> > > Imagine for a moment if you had some inkling why people react to you
> > > like they do. How different it would be.
>
> > We could make a huge list of all the posters he finds fault with.
> > More than anyone in this group.
>
> few weeks ago where everyone knows I'm right about the current topic but
> multiple snivelers pile in to vengefully attack me on general grounds
> anyway.
Go find somewhere else to hang out where you enjoy the company.
who?
> arguments about why reading reviews means one isn't thinking for
> himself? Rather than just aiming another shoddy nyaah-nyaah at me?
>
> Alternately, you could contrive to post some more softball thoughts
> about George Harrison's solo work, just in the hopes of having me attack
> them so you can mewl about my character some more.
If you wouldn't take things so personally........lighten up.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> I know why people react to me like they do.
If you do, you have revealed yourself to be a simple troll. If you
don't, you reveal yourself to be seriously socially crippled. Either
way, you got a problem there, Dear.
> What I don't know is why you're incapable of responding to a point
> with substance rather than sobbing. How many useless replies are
> you up to now?
I believe you started this one, Rosie, darling, so I would be one
behind you.
You may count if you like. You're real good at lists and counting
and stuff, 'cause your brain is so much bigger then average.
Open wide! Something wrinkled and fuzzy is coming! Is it a kiwi? A
peach? Or something moister?
RichL
> Dodge #5
FTFY.
RichL
news:prose9-677D23....@news.eternal-september.org...
> I know why people react to me like they do. What I don't know is why
> you're incapable of responding to a point with substance rather than
> sobbing. How many useless replies are you up to now?
You mean like responding "# 5" to an actual substantive reply?
What a fraud.
I'll take my # 6 now, I understand the entire collection will be worth money
some day.
RichL
news:prose9-6FFFB7....@news.eternal-september.org...
> I'm checking out Black Rebel Motorcycle Club's latest album right now.
That's nice. I'm developing some technology that will one day revolutionize
measurements of glucose levels in diabetics.
Raja, The Great
I will take that over listening to some motorcycle club.
Raja, The Great
> "Raja, The" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I will take that over listening to some motorcycle club.
>
> without hearing them at all." -- me, a few minutes ago
I am not declaring it as crap.... stop being a baby. You are welcome
to listen to any motorclub cycle you want to.