TELL ME ABOT JANE ASHER!
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Please ,tell me about Jane Asher .Has she acted in movies?
Tell me everything about her!!
Thanks .
GrapeApe
Pauls latest biography goes into the Jane Asher period in some detail, he lived
in her families home, and they were apart as often as they were together; they
had an open relationship, and demanding show business careers that kept them
apart from each other a great deal. Probably both were somewhat reluctant
becoming more involved due to their mutual respect for each others careers.
Sometimes their relationship resembled more of one of brother and sister than
lovers. Asher and her family helped Paul be in with an in Crowd he may not
have otherwise had met, despite his fame, with them acting as sort of a conduit
from the music world to theater and film world.
If you want to find what you can still see of Jane Ashers work, try the
internet movie database (IMDB)
FAITH C
Grapeape wrote:
<<Sometimes their relationship resembled more of one of brother and sister than
lovers. Asher and her family helped Paul be in with an in Crowd he may not
have otherwise had met, despite his fame, with them acting as sort of a conduit
from the music world to theater and film world.
>>
Where'd you get that bit about brother and sister- I've never read anything
that remotely hints at that? I think the Asher- McCartney relationship did
what you outlined, to some extent, but the other half is that Jane's stock rose
from her association with Paul.
GrapeApe
>Where'd you get that bit about brother and sister- I've never read >anything
that remotely hints at that?
What I mean by that is they seemed extremely distant as lovers; in some ways it
may as well have been a brother and sister arrangement- sometimes Paul saw
Janes parents more than he saw Jane herself. Not that brother and sisters ever
make the beast with two backs in normal circumstances, its just that the Asher
affair was considerably distant in many ways, they simply were not in the same
place at the same time due to conflicting careers.
And true, everybody could have had their status raised by association with a
Beatle at that time, but Jane brought as much or more to Paul through her
familys pre-existing associations, which had been connected to theater in some
level for some years in comparison to Pauls relatively new fame from nowhere.
Read that latest Paul biography and you'll get an idea of exactly how 'close'
he was with Jane Asher, and who he met through his association with her.
Karen Sexton
grap...@aol.com (GrapeApe) wrote:
>>Where'd you get that bit about brother and sister- I've never read >anything
>that remotely hints at that?
>What I mean by that is they seemed extremely distant as lovers; in some ways it
>may as well have been a brother and sister arrangement- sometimes Paul saw
>Janes parents more than he saw Jane herself. Not that brother and sisters ever
>make the beast with two backs in normal circumstances, its just that the Asher
>affair was considerably distant in many ways, they simply were not in the same
>place at the same time due to conflicting careers.
IIRC, Paul was unhappy because Jane would not settle down- she wanted
her own career.
>And true, everybody could have had their status raised by association with a
>Beatle at that time, but Jane brought as much or more to Paul through her
>familys pre-existing associations, which had been connected to theater in some
>level for some years in comparison to Pauls relatively new fame from nowhere.
>Read that latest Paul biography and you'll get an idea of exactly how 'close'
>he was with Jane Asher, and who he met through his association with her.
Do you think the he could be downplaying his closeness to Jane? I
mean, here's a married guy talking about an old fiance. By all
accounts at the time, he seemed very upset that Jane wouldn't "settle
down". Someone mentioned about how all his love songs since he met
Linda were about Linda. IMO his love songs to "Jane" were even more
beautiful- Here There and Everywhere, "I've Just Seen A Face", yada,
yada.
KS
FAITH C
Grapeape srote:<<
Read that latest Paul biography and you'll get an idea of exactly how 'close'
he was with Jane Asher, and who he met through his association with her.>>
Like you, and probably most people on this newsgroup, I HAVE read it and
everything else about the beatles, Jane, etc. Keep in mind, a book is merely
that author's slant not necessarily the gospel, and I think you put a good bit
of interpretation on it (As you are surely entitled to do), but I think they
may have had a very passionate relationship fueled by what the other's fame
added to their own.
Unknown
kse...@earthlink.net (Karen Sexton) wrote:
>grap...@aol.com (GrapeApe) wrote:
>
>
>>>Where'd you get that bit about brother and sister- I've never read >anything
>>that remotely hints at that?
>
>>What I mean by that is they seemed extremely distant as lovers; in some ways it
>>may as well have been a brother and sister arrangement- sometimes Paul saw
>>Janes parents more than he saw Jane herself. Not that brother and sisters ever
>>make the beast with two backs in normal circumstances, its just that the Asher
>>affair was considerably distant in many ways, they simply were not in the same
>>place at the same time due to conflicting careers.
>
>IIRC, Paul was unhappy because Jane would not settle down- she wanted
>her own career.
>
>>And true, everybody could have had their status raised by association with a
>>Beatle at that time, but Jane brought as much or more to Paul through her
>>familys pre-existing associations, which had been connected to theater in some
>>level for some years in comparison to Pauls relatively new fame from nowhere.
>>Read that latest Paul biography and you'll get an idea of exactly how 'close'
>>he was with Jane Asher, and who he met through his association with her.
>
>Do you think the he could be downplaying his closeness to Jane? I
>mean, here's a married guy talking about an old fiance. By all
>accounts at the time, he seemed very upset that Jane wouldn't "settle
>down". Someone mentioned about how all his love songs since he met
>Linda were about Linda. IMO his love songs to "Jane" were even more
>beautiful- Here There and Everywhere, "I've Just Seen A Face", yada,
>yada.
>
>KS
>
>
KS, yes, I agree with you. Yeah, because Jane dumped him, Paul seemed
a little "miffed" in Miles' bio, don't you think, after all this time
he would have gotten over it? Or, has he? Yes, it does seem that he
was downplaying that relationship just a bit too much.
Also, the love songs he wrote for Jane were more beautifully written
and the examples you gave were certainly two of many others. "And I
Love Her" and "All My Loving" are also worth mentioning.
IMO, "MY LOVE does it good" is a love song? That's just too "silly"
for me to believe...
linr
GrapeApe
In a message dated 4/26/98 9:54:53 AM, you wrote:
<<but I think they
may have had a very passionate relationship fueled by what the other's fame
added to their own.>>
And thats not the most mature basis for a relationship is it? Fame and
Hormones?
I don't doubt the passion, but there was some distance as well; what it
reminded me of is two lovers who end up going to different faraway colleges or
jobs- they may be able to keep a long distance romance going; but inevitably
the relationship is going to fall apart and they are going to move on with no
solid shared time working towards the same goals. This is a striking impression
for a relationship to give considering Paul was living in the Asher household.
The closest relationship Paul OR Jane had at this point in their life was with
their careers. You could see this distance in Pauls own words about the
relationship, even considering Paul as one to verbally gloss over those things
held most dear in discussion, keeping privacy private and all. If you prefer,
you could pretend this denial in retrospect to be indicative of even deeper
passion rather than taking at face value, but I think taken at face value, its
says quite a bit about the distance in the relationship over the passion,
despite Pauls tendancy to downplay what is most dear to him.
GrapeApe
>Do you think the he could be downplaying his closeness to Jane?
Oh sure, definately. Very Paul like to do that
>IMO his love songs to "Jane" were even more
>beautiful- Here There and Everywhere, "I've Just Seen A Face
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the undercurrent of angst and distance
in these songs. He wants his love to be here, he wants the world to see they
met, but Shes Not There. Not the most healthy relationship that one, typical of
idealistic young people who are courting a career at the same time.
Tom
>It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the undercurrent of angst and
distance
>in these songs. He wants his love to be here, he wants the world to see
they
>met, but Shes Not There. Not the most healthy relationship that one,
typical of
>idealistic young people who are courting a career at the same time.
I think we're forgetting that these were songs and that while they may (and
probably do) something of his life at the time they were written, they're
not necessarily autobigraphical. (although a few were defintiely auto
something. I've been waiting years for a chance to steal that line from Tom
Stoppard)
Yes, "Here There and Everywhere" could show that Paul wanted Jane to be near
when she wasn't. It could also show that Paul was thinking, "Hey, I'm
pretty good at these slow love songs. That's what I want to do after this
Beatles thing dies down. I'd better write another one for the album"
One of the more honest remarks I've seen recently about the meaning of a
song was in a recent interview Yoko did. After explaing the events that
inspired "Walking On Thin Ice," and telling how the song related to her
life, she added "Of course, there's also the songwriter part of me that
thinks "ice, dice, price. That works" There's that aspect too."
HMH7Hef
The only reason why she dumped Paul is because she caught Paul in bed with
Francie Schwartz, not because of relationship problems really... They decided
to get engaged despite their differences and problems, so they must have really
loved each other.
Mick
What are you basing that on? In official biographys I have read it
always seems that Paul was never interested as in *seriously*
interested..
MWS2468
Francie Schwartz did her own tell all.
Doris&Dan
It couldn't have been a single affair that caused Paul and Jane's
break-up, but probably years of Paul's cheating. I haven't read the
latest book, but according to Hunter Davies' book, "The Beatles,"
originally written while Paul and Jane were together:
"Another problem," says Paul, "was that my whole existence for so long
centered round a bachelor life. I didn't treat women as most poeple
do. I've always had a lot around, even when I've had a steady girl...I
knew it was selfish. It caused a few rows. Jane left me once and went
off to Bristol to act. I said okay, then leave; I'll find someone
else. It was shattering to be without her."
The "problem" he's referring to is the fact that they hadn't gotten
married.
I think Paul has a problem with rewriting history. I read in an
interview a few years ago that he said he'd *never* written a song for
Jane. I think most people re-write history after a relationship ends.
Unfortunately for Paul, his romantic history has been documented in
countless magazines, newspapers, and books.
If anyone hasn't read Davies' book yet, I highly recommend it. It's an
authorized biography, and it's incredibly fascinating, because it's like
a snapshot of the Beatles in 1968. The author interviewed the Beatles
extensively throughout 1967 and part of 1968, and became close friends
with them. The latest edition is especially interesting, because Davies
includes information which was originally edited out of the 1968 edition
in trying to make everyone look good. In the postscript, he includes an
account of a ten-day visit from Paul and Linda in December of 1968, when
Paul shockingly turns up at his (Davies') house in the middle of the
night "with a woman I had never seen before and a young girl of about
five or six."
Peace,
Doris
Matthew Salter
She does cakes and presents an appaling mid-morning TV show about
decorating your house - teasles in jars, big chunky glass jars for
lentils - that sort of thing.
Matthew
GrapeApe
> Please ,tell me about Jane Asher .Has she acted in movies?
> Tell me everything about her!!
ang...@ivnet.com
In article <354362bb...@news.mindspring.com>#1/1,
(Linr) wrote:
> KS, yes, I agree with you. Yeah, because Jane dumped him, Paul seemed
> a little "miffed" in Miles' bio, don't you think, after all this time
> he would have gotten over it? Or, has he?
"miffed"? ROFLMAO! That's the funniest thing I've heard in awhile! Where in
the WORLD did you get that? In the Miles bio, the most passionate words Paul
says about his relationship with jane was that she was nice, smart, but it
wasn't meant to be. Why is that so hard to understand? Or no! For thirty years
he as NEVER gotten over it! It's still festering! LOL! First you condemn Paul
for shrugging off his relationship with jane, then you accuse him of being
angry because she "dumped" him! Examples, please! Cause you must have a
different copy of the book than me!
> Also, the love songs he wrote for Jane were more beautifully written
> and the examples you gave were certainly two of many others. "And I
> Love Her" and "All My Loving" are also worth mentioning.
>
> IMO, "MY LOVE does it good" is a love song? That's just too "silly"
> for me to believe...
I love that argument: that despite Paul and Jane repeatedly saying how happy
they are in their current relationships (altho sadly, Paul's relationship has
now ended) that their relationship ended and that they got on with their
lives, that my god! Because your opinion that "All My loving" is a better love
song than "My Love" that that is the evidence that Paul was more in love with
Jane, etc. What a bunch of crap. I happen to think that "Calico Skies" and
"Somedays" are incredibly superior to any love song that Paul wrote in the
Beatles, possibly excepting my two favorites: "Yesterday" (which was not
written for Jane) and "Two of Us" (which was written for Linda).
Paul and Jane's was an approx. five year relationship when they were in their
teens/early twenties. It ended. Paul and Linda had four kids and a thirty year
relationship. Jane and her husband, Gerald Scarfe,
have, I think, three kids, and have also been together for years. But they
still have to deal with these delusional people who think that they were made
for each other because they were in the papers or glossy magazines together.
How would YOU like it if the subject of your old boyfriend/girlfriend was
constantly thrown back in your face? What if someone took the old, gushy love
letters you wrote to that boyfriend/girlfriend in high school and then said
that "Well, I'll bet you haven't written your current husband/wife letters as
good as this, so you're not really in love!"
When Paul and Jane were together, a lot of his female fans disliked Jane. Then
Paul and Jane broke up, and lo and behold, there was rejoicing. Then Paul
married Linda, and the Beatles broke up. So since people blamed either Paul,
or Linda or Yoko for the Fabs' breakup, then the revisionism began: the same
fans who hated Jane now hated Paul and Linda, so therefore, since Paul and
Jane broke up, Jane was now turned into a raving feminist martyr, that she
"dumped" Paul because he was some big chauvinist. Sorry, but the first time
I've ever read of that theory was when it was floated in Peter Brown's book
(and we all know how reliable he is!) I think I've read about two interviews
that Jane did in the Sixties when she was still involved with Paul. No
offense, but she was no grand thinker. She doesn't say anything about being a
feminist, she basically said the same stuff any rich, young, pretty star of
the day would say. I've also read a couple of interviews that she has done in
the past few years. Again, no mention of any pioneering, feminist thoughts,
just stuff about her business, etc and nothing groundbreaking.
If you want to believe in the mythical Paul and Jane fairy tale, than fine: go
look up all those old "society" magazines from the Sixties, and totally ignore
the fact that Paul and Jane broke up, or the friends who've said said that
Paul and Jane were really uncomfortable with each other, and didn't see each
other much. Also, you can continue to condemn Paul for, in the Miles bio,
glossing over his relationship with Jane, while continuing to praise Jane for
doing the exact same thing. You can ignore Roger Corman's story that he dated
Jane while she was involved with Paul, while continuing to condemn Paul for
dating other people. So you can go on deluding yourself. Meanwhile, Paul is
grieving for the love of his life, and Jane and Gerald are happy together with
their kids. And here's a shock: I'll bet that Paul and Jane have not given a
thought about the other in ages, much less are festering over their breakup.
The only ones who haven't seem to have gotten over the breakup are some of
you.
~Jamie
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GrapeApe
Paul broke up with Jane? When did this happen?
Kathryn L. Hillman (4UBlue)
lisas...@yahoo.com
> The only reason why she dumped Paul is because she caught Paul in bed with
> Francie Schwartz, not because of relationship problems really... They decided
> to get engaged despite their differences and problems, so they must have really
> loved each other.
lisas...@yahoo.com
> Pauls latest biography goes into the Jane Asher period in some detail, he lived
> in her families home, and they were apart as often as they were together; they
> had an open relationship, and demanding show business careers that kept them
> apart from each other a great deal. Probably both were somewhat reluctant
> becoming more involved due to their mutual respect for each others careers.
> lovers. Asher and her family helped Paul be in with an in Crowd he may not
> have otherwise had met, despite his fame, with them acting as sort of a conduit
> from the music world to theater and film world.
>
> internet movie database (IMDB)
lisas...@yahoo.com
> that remotely hints at that?
>
> What I mean by that is they seemed extremely distant as lovers; in some ways it
> may as well have been a brother and sister arrangement- sometimes Paul saw
> Janes parents more than he saw Jane herself. Not that brother and sisters ever
> make the beast with two backs in normal circumstances, its just that the Asher
> affair was considerably distant in many ways, they simply were not in the same
> place at the same time due to conflicting careers.
>
> Beatle at that time, but Jane brought as much or more to Paul through her
> familys pre-existing associations, which had been connected to theater in some
> level for some years in comparison to Pauls relatively new fame from nowhere.
> Read that latest Paul biography and you'll get an idea of exactly how 'close'
> he was with Jane Asher, and who he met through his association with her.
lisas...@yahoo.com
> >Where'd you get that bit about brother and sister- I've never read >anything
> that remotely hints at that?
>
> What I mean by that is they seemed extremely distant as lovers; in some ways it
> may as well have been a brother and sister arrangement- sometimes Paul saw
> Janes parents more than he saw Jane herself. Not that brother and sisters ever
> make the beast with two backs in normal circumstances, its just that the Asher
> affair was considerably distant in many ways, they simply were not in the same
> place at the same time due to conflicting careers.
>
> And true, everybody could have had their status raised by association with a
> Beatle at that time, but Jane brought as much or more to Paul through her
> familys pre-existing associations, which had been connected to theater in some
> level for some years in comparison to Pauls relatively new fame from nowhere.
> Read that latest Paul biography and you'll get an idea of exactly how 'close'
> he was with Jane Asher, and who he met through his association with her.
geoff
The OP may have died of old age. You are replying to posts from last
century (millenium ) !
geoff
Peter
https://www.videomuzic.eu/francie-schwartz-paul-mccartneys-one-time-affair/?lang=en
The songs Paul wrote for Jane: "I Will", "Honey Pie", "And I love
her", "Here There And Everywhere" and "Oh! Darling". He inspired other
songs like "She's A Woman", "All My Loving", "For No One", "Things We
Said Today", "I've Just Seen A Face" and "You Won't See Me", among
others
Norbert K
> The only reason why she dumped Paul is because she caught Paul in bed with
> Francie Schwartz, not because of relationship problems really... They decided
> to get engaged despite their differences and problems, so they must have really
> loved each other.
hector
sad songs, Let It Be and The Long and Winding Road from about late 68.
That might be in the Alastair Taylor book. She seems as if she was a
bit of a b.
macc...@gmail.com
believe for one moment that the obsessively ambitious
Paul would long for this one female so much to where he
penned so many significant tunes with her as primary
inspiration. Somebody was tripping when they asserted
that rubbish.. just sayin..smell the coffee and hastily.
Dr. Flash, horseshit instant recognition whisperer
Norbert K
prim...@gmail.com
romance side of it not a significant concern. Cynical
maybe, but I'm glad that he was hungry for the band to
climb ever higher. Imagine if JL was the one being
counted on to impress and enthuse at every opportunity.
"Aw we're just a Rock band, nothing important". lol
Norbert K
Cynthia Lennon witnessed this firsthand, and talked about how Paul was "proud as a peacock" of Jane. She felt that McCartney was saying to the other Beatles about their relationships: "Anything you can do, I can do better."
I don't think it's doubtful that Paul wrote all those songs for Jane. I mean, think of all the songs he later wrote for Linda: "Maybe I'm Amazed," "Lovely Linda," "Long Haired Lady," "Two of Us," etc.
prim...@gmail.com
games that a good natured but proud commoner like Paul might have to master to be accepted to blueblood types, even though he was on his way to becoming one of the most
famous persons walking the planet.
Anything I opine on the Paul&Jane dimension of the
mighty mighty Beatles story is just speculation for
the fun of it, using small bits of fact when available.
And in these heady days, I have so much time available
for
endless speculations.
hector
R Kellog
Norbert K
After Jane Asher stormed out of McCartney's house, finding him in bed with Francie Schwartz, she sent her mother Margaret to collect her belongings.
My impression from Cynthia Powell's book is that Margaret Asher was a strong personality.
I wonder what sort of words were exchanged between Margaret Asher & Paul.
T Richman
It's a real good thing that Linda was there for Paul because he was a total mental wreck after Jane left him, he was drinking hard liquor and crying to Brian Epstein's assistant and friend of Paul's too, Alistair Taylor and came over his house waking him and his wife up at 1 and 2 in the morning, also calling him at these times asking Alistair to come over and he would cry and drink liquor and he also told Alistair that Jane wasn't just his woman,she was his closest friend,interesting that he didn't say John,or even George and Ringo were his closest friends,and he said he opened up everything inside himself to Jane,including about his mother Mary dying when he was only 14 and how he dealt with that and that he couldn't believe what a prat he had been and that he had everything and threw it all away etc
. Paul wrote Let It Be about his beloved nurse and midwife mother Mary who died from breast cancer at only age 47 when Paul was only 14,and his brother 12,and he wrote The Long and Winding Road also soon after Jane left him.
Paul wrote a lot of beautiful love songs for and about Jane including I Will on The White album and she and Paul were engaged since Christmas day 1967 when he wrote in India and she was there with The Beatles and also some bitter arguments songs which were all his fault because he was a sexist selfish pig and kept pressuring her to give up her acting career that she loved and rightly refused, she was in her first British film at age 5 and had been in TV shows,films and theatre since she was a child.
Paul also tried very hard for a while to get Jane to forgive him and take him back and he had met Linda 3 times by then,but Jane returned all of Paul's letters un opened and all of his phone calls were ignored because Jane wanted nothing to do with Paul anymore and she sent this message clearly to him and you can't blame her because she was rightly very hurt,angry,and she had self respect and couldn't forgive or trust Paul anymore.And Linda did what Paul sexistly selfishly pressured Jane to do, give up her career and devote herself to him. I'm sure that Paul would have married Jane Asher because if Jane had taken him back and forgiven him,then they would have been engaged to be married again which is what Paul was trying to accomplish to no avail.
https://janeashersource.tumblr.com/post/180597293425/amoralto-when-it-ended-it-was-awful-jane-came
Jane Asher (re)Source “When it ended, it was awful. Jane came home to find Paul with Francie Schwartz, a groupie from New York. It was terrible for Jane. Francie was not just in the house but in the bed she shared with...
T Richman
Barbara said to Paul probably your first great love was Jane Asher and she was a strong yet kind woman too,and Paul turned his head and the look on his face for 2 minutes, it really struck an emotional chord with him and he obviously didn't expect her to bring Jane up.
She asked him what he thought about his Wings music and then he said that at the time he was in Wings he was giving it his 100% but he never felt that it was as great as The Beatles and he said he felt how can I follow The Beatles? But then he also said that he was only now re-listening to his Wings music and discovering a lot of it was pretty good,and Barbara Howar said something like that must have been enough to make you want to hang it up, and Paul said it wasn't too pleasant.She also asked him about how he dealt with John's tragic murder and Paul's numerous drug arrests.
https://archive.org/details/EntertainmentThisWeekAugust231986SpecialPaulMcCartneyInterview
Entertainment This Week- August 23, 1986 (special Paul McCartney interview) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Barbara Howar interviews rock and roll legend Sir Paul McCartney in this special edition of Entertainment This Week.
archive.org
T Richman
Here is a very good article by friend and music writer Bill Harry, Jane & Paul: A Love Story
http://triumphpc.com/mersey-beat/beatles/janeasher-paulmccartney.shtml
T Richman
https://web.archive.org/web/20080108131358/http://www.geocities.com/wireless_machine/lennon/st_regis.htm
Norbert K
> Please ,tell me about Jane Asher .Has she acted in movies?
> Tell me everything about her!!
> E-mail:Jane.Mc...@gnwmail.com
If you can find a copy of Cynthia Lennon's A Twist of Lennon, that's a source I recommend. Cynthia writes about how extremely proud Paul was of her -- and about the effects Jane and her sophisticated family had on Paul and his work.
T Richman
He also has several beautiful black and white portraits that he took of her in his 1964:Eyes Of The Storm book too but sadly they were all taken of her in black and white so you can't see her beautiful natural red hair.
And another very important thing is that Paul didn't have a 5 year steady serious relationship with any other woman,all of the young women groupies don't count, but he also had love affairs with other women during his 5 year relationship with Jane.Paul also didn't write beautiful heartfelt love songs for any of those other women, nor did he give them a beautiful diamond and emerald ( or any gem stone) engagement ring and ask them to marry him!
T Richman
He also has several beautiful black and white portraits that he took of her in his 1964:Eyes Of The Storm book too but sadly they were all taken of her in black and white so you can't see her beautiful natural red hair.
Paul also didn't write beautiful heartfelt love songs for any of those other women,nor did he give them a beautiful diamond and emerald ( or any gem stone) engagement ring and ask them to marry him!