Dave Marsh's 2nd Open Letter to JL
Nyarlathotep
Several months ago, someone posted to this NG John & Yoko's (really
just Yoko's) open "love letter" to "people who ask us what, when, and
why." Some of us were amazed by the sheer ditziness of this piece,
which affirmed, among other things, the "logic" of magic & the existence
of angels. Fred mentioned that the letter earned the Lennons a certain
amount of ridicule in the press. But Francie -- who seemed AWESTRUCK by
Yoko's trite, incoherent babble -- disputed Fred's claim.
I'm happy to lay that old debate to rest. Here's Dave Marsh's
"Another Open Letter to John Lennon," which appeared in Rolling Stone on
August 23 of '79 (this is NOT, BTW, the piece of info that I alluded to
finding earlier in RS):
Dear John: It's been almost two years since I wrote my first open
letter to you, imploring you to break your silence, make another record,
and give us the benefit of your talent, something you hadn't done since
Walls and Bridges in 1974.
Now I regret putting you on the spot. Because if the past two
years have taught me anything, it's that every rock fan is on his own.
And that is a good thing. No more leaders, which you said first.
The fact is, there's nothing more disappointing than the average
comeback record. Yesterday's heros look like dinosaurs today, even to
those who remember them as the dominant species. Meanwhile, John, you
look ever more the genius. Whether or not you meant to, you picked the
perfect moment to clam up. While Pete Townshend embarrassed himself
with grandfatherly guilt over punk rockers [what is Marsh referring to
here?], while Paul McCartney played long-distance Dutch uncle to Sid
Vicious and made a stab at relating to disco, while Jagger, Dylan, and
the others tried to adapt, you kept your image clean.
Most importantly, when Paul, George, and Ringo pulled that stunt at
a party celebrating Eric Clapton's wedding, you were the real star,
because you weren't there. And for that I thank you, because if you had
shown up, we'd be suffering rumors of a reunion tour, and come to think
of it, a Beatles reunion might be the one thing that could outstrip a
comeback album for shame. Or for boredom. God bless you for that.
But now you've let me down. I'm referring, of course, to your open
letter, which appeared in music trade magazines and the New York and Los
Angeles Timesin late May. "A love letter from John and Yoko to people
who ask us what, when, and why" struck me as funny, since I was one of
the first to ask those questions publicly.
What somebody ought to clue you and Yoko in on, John, is the
vernacular; I mean, as spokesman for all us rock & roll "street people,"
you just can't continue trafficking in Sixties cliches about "the spring
cleaning of our minds!" (that's your exclamation point, remember).
Alas, these days people spell things properly -- we leave the "k" out of
"America" and don't spell anything "newclear." (You can ring up Jackson
Browne about that one.) And although the concept that everything is a
commodity, even the most intangible things, is widespread, it kind of
pains me to read, "Many people are sending us vibes everyday...," unless
you're thinking of recording with Lionel Hampton.
Now you see where this letter gets you. Without meaning to, I've
started a rumor. You didn't mean to either. But your long, blissful
absence seems to have blinded you to the effects of saying things
rashly, which is the real axe I have to grind. Really, if you want to
sound like an aging hippie, that's your privilege -- maybe that's what
you are. (Just kidding, I think.)
I'm sure you didn't mean to start anything with that postscript
about the "three angels looking over our shoulders." You and I know
that this refers to guardian angels (yours, Yoko's, and the baby's), but
we also know that the concept of heavenly protectors is not as popular
as the concept of the Beatles (you said it, not me). So I fear that
what you have actually accomplished is the undoing of everything your
silence has worked toward; already there has been an avalanche of
reunion rumors. Only you, John Lennon, can put an end to them.
I mean, look, I can't take it. The boredom of living out here in
Reality is bad enough without this senseless speculation. Okay, that's
not your problem. But while nothing you write can save the world, and
nobody expects it to, you could utter one sentence and spare everyone
the spectacle of tabloid writers drumming up another Gathering of the
Has-Beens.
Unless you really did mean those three angels to represent the
Beatles. In which case, may you all play weddings forever.
Your fan,
Dave Marsh
August 23, '79
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Before you buy.
paga...@my-deja.com
Nyarlathotep <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
Oh shut the fuck up already.
It's 20 years later asshole
SillyG...@aol.composure
>In article <8s52r1$vcv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Nyarlathotep <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>Oh shut the fuck up already.
>
>It's 20 years later asshole
>
>
Heh. Wait'll you get a load of Francie. It's 32 years later for her.
Since you've failed to acknowledge her dated contributions, I'm assuming
you're simply unaware of her *importance*. Yeah. That must be it.
Asshole.
Suzy Q.
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Derek's Girl
> just Yoko's) open "love letter" to "people who ask us what, when, and
> why." Some of us were amazed by the sheer ditziness of this piece,
> which affirmed, among other things, the "logic" of magic & the existence
> of angels. Fred mentioned that the letter earned the Lennons a certain
> amount of ridicule in the press. But Francie -- who seemed AWESTRUCK by
> Yoko's trite, incoherent babble -- disputed Fred's claim.
>
You really go to such awesome lengths to prove conclusively what a jerk
you are, Ny, but this time I'll say something.
1. Dave Marsh does not represent the press. The NY and LA Times and the
trade papers speak to a much larger and less obsessive readership than
Rolling Shlong. If John and Yoko wanted to talk to the "street people"
Marsh mentioned in his "open letter" they would have run a full page in
RS.
"What somebody ought to clue you and Yoko in on, John, is the vernacular;
I mean, as spokesman for all us rock & roll 'street people,' you just
can't continue trafficking in Sixties cliches about "the spring cleaning
of our minds!"
Interestingly enough, in your rush to confirm the bitterly sour grapes
issuing forth from the mouth of your role model, the thief and betrayer
of John Lennon and his family as well as the fans, you bring up something
else Semenboy usually applauds: namely, the fact that in the late 70's
John couldn't have cared less about what Marsh calls "rock n roll street
people" -- he was no longer at the mercy of the rabid Beatle freaks who
insisted John had some sort of duty to appease them. If not for John
Lennon, and the music the group he founded gave the world, Dave Marsh
wouldn't have had a fucking JOB, much less the gall to criticise his use
of phrases like "spring cleaning of our minds."
The full text of the ad appears in YES YOKO ONO, the recently published
book which accompanies the world tour of Yoko's retrospective. As I
mentioned "months" ago, I was living in New York when the ad ran, I was
in the advertising industry, and there was NO "bad press" about the
content. New Yorkers never have unanimous agreement about anything, but
only the assholes who are so very important to YOU (Fred, Al Goldman, et
al) thought it was nonsensical. Most New Yorkers were glad to hear
anything at all from their neighbor on the West Side, even in an ad.
PS: The trend of the 90's in terms of merchandising fluff was angels.
Angel books, jewelry, cards, pins, and even therapeutic visualisation
reached a peak during the mid-90's. As usual, John and Yoko were ahead of
their time when they invoked this image.
You're so far behind the times it's truly pathetic.
Francie
--
"Everybody has a heart... except *some* people." (Bette Davis, ALL ABOUT
EVE)
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Nyarlathotep
Derek's Girl <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> 1. Dave Marsh does not represent the press. <snip>
Oh, so you're back to your favorite trick of attempting to weasel
out of earlier misstatements, eh?
BTW, some readers of Marsh's piece wrote in to agree with him about
what an appalling piece of cr*p the Ono-babble was.
>The NY and LA Times and
>the
> trade papers speak to a much larger and less obsessive readership than
> Rolling Shlong. If John and Yoko wanted to talk to the "street people"
> Marsh mentioned in his "open letter" they would have run a full page
in
> RS.
Try and get your bearings, Francie. You disputed Fred's claim that
Ono's "love letter" was ridiculed. You were wrong. No volume of BS on
your part will change that.
> PS: The trend of the 90's in terms of merchandising fluff was angels.
> Angel books, jewelry, cards, pins, and even therapeutic visualisation
> reached a peak during the mid-90's. As usual, John and Yoko were ahead
of
> their time when they invoked this image.
Ono didn't purport to be initiating a "trend in terms of
merchandizing fluff." She claimed that she was literally being watched
over by a trio of angels. She made a similar statement, BTW, during a
concert of hers in Hiroshima in the mid-70s. That is, she claimed that
the spirits of all the children killed in the war were soaring above,
listening to her hideous shrieking. ("Not again," they must've been
thinking.)
John Lennon responded to this tale of Ono's as follows: "That's
*one* excuse for all the empty seats. Souled out, no doubt."
>
> You're so far behind the times it's truly pathetic.
This, from someone who's *32 f*cking years* behind the times?!?
Derek's Girl
Nyarlathotep <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
> This, from someone who's *32 f*cking years* behind the times?!?
>
I congratulate you on your thrilling retort. I'm sure you'll get lotsa
points from that homunculus Dale (whom I suspect is of the "Chip 'n Dale"
class) and the lovely, but toxic Susan.
Sorry, boyo. You stuck your own big smelly foot in it this time. Check
Pagan's response (which was the first, you'll note).
Howz that toe jam football taste, eh?
LOL
--
"Everybody has a heart... except *some* people." (Bette Davis, ALL ABOUT
EVE)
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
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paga...@my-deja.com
SillyG...@aol.composure wrote:
> In article <8s577j$3dg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <paga...@my-deja.com>
writes:
> > Nyarlathotep <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >It's 20 years later asshole
> >
> >
>
> Heh. Wait'll you get a load of Francie. It's 32 years later for her.
>
> Since you've failed to acknowledge her dated contributions, I'm
assuming
> you're simply unaware of her *importance*. Yeah. That must be it.
>
> Asshole.
>
> Suzy Q.
>
Don't give a fuck about Francie
Screw you
paga...@my-deja.com
> Nyarlathotep <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This, from someone who's *32 f*cking years* behind the times?!?
> >
>
> I congratulate you on your thrilling retort. I'm sure you'll get lotsa
> points from that homunculus Dale (whom I suspect is of the "Chip 'n
Dale"
> class) and the lovely, but toxic Susan.
>
> Sorry, boyo. You stuck your own big smelly foot in it this time. Check
> Pagan's response (which was the first, you'll note).
>
> Howz that toe jam football taste, eh?
>
> LOL
>
>
Help me out here
Who the hell is this Ny thing anyway?
What does he/she/it have such an obsessive fixation on Yoko?
This nutter ought to be locked up with Chapman.
What an ass.
Susan
>I'm sure you'll get lotsa points from that
>homunculus Dale (whom I suspect is of
>the "Chip 'n Dale" class) and the lovely,
>but toxic Susan.
>Sorry, boyo. You stuck your own big
>smelly foot in it this time. Check Pagan's
>response (which was the first, you'll
>note).
>Howz that toe jam football taste, eh?
I wonder which personality wrote this gem. Looks like the pig to me.
This is so typical of you Fabby. You tried your hardest to refute Nyars
statements, (lol and what a pathetic attempt), then he came back and
showed you to be the fool that you are (once again). As usual the above
post was the best rebuttal you could muster.
As always, you insult others and add nothing of merit to the discussion.
Fabby you and few from your flock are sooo predictable, (although quite
amusing).
Susan
>Who the hell is this Ny thing anyway?
>What does he/she/it have such an
>obsessive fixation on Yoko? This nutter
>ought to be locked up with Chapman.
>What an ass.
Aw here we go, another class act, comparing someone *it* disagrees with
to Chapman. You'll fit in just fine with the hyenas, and sheep crowd.
Fabby, only you and the faithful would take pride in backing these
whacked out statements. *Pagan* appears to be as crazy as you are.
SillyG...@aol.composure
>Don't give a fuck about Francie
>
Paul? Is that you??
Derek's Girl
Mrs-...@webtv.net (Susan) wrote:
> >I congratulate you on your thrilling retort.
> >I'm sure you'll get lotsa points from that
> >homunculus Dale (whom I suspect is of
> >the "Chip 'n Dale" class) and the lovely,
> >but toxic Susan.
>
> >Sorry, boyo. You stuck your own big
> >smelly foot in it this time. Check Pagan's
> >response (which was the first, you'll
> >note).
>
> >Howz that toe jam football taste, eh?
>
>
>
>
>
ROTFFLMFAO! insulting others, something you would never think of doing...
Hardy hardy har, Sue.
--
"Everybody has a heart... except *some* people." (Bette Davis, ALL ABOUT
EVE)
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
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Jeremy Boob
While Pete Townshend embarrassed himself
> with grandfatherly guilt over punk rockers [what is Marsh referring to
> here?],
I believe he's referring to the fact that when Punk first came in, the
first thing they did was disparage everything that came before them.
Pete T was targeted for writing "hope I die before I get old" and not
actually going thru with it. Instead of revering the Who for being one
of the first true Punk bands ever, they dissed them and everyone else
as Dinosaurs.
This didn't help Pete's state of mind any and he tried to claw his way
back into the Rock arena (not that he'd ever left as far as *we* were
concerned). David Harsh was always a Punk apologist, and he showed
that in this Open Letter #2.
nicko
<paga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8s5h10$c4c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Who the hell is this Ny thing anyway?
he's some twisted fruit who has been here for the last few years carping on
endlessly about what bitch yoko is.
> What does he/she/it have such an obsessive fixation on Yoko?
ooooo careful, or the other obsessives will cut you down and point out that
its "valid beatle discussion" from a really good "researcher".....LOL!
> This nutter ought to be locked up with Chapman.
i have to agree. while still in his flakey phase, this sick little chrysalis
may well metamorphose one day into a gun totin' loonie tune.
> What an ass.
ah, the sweet bird of truth settles in rmb........:)
nicko
"Susan" <Mrs-...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29459-39...@storefull-145.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >Help me out here
>
> >Who the hell is this Ny thing anyway?
> >ought to be locked up with Chapman.
>
> Aw here we go, another class act, comparing someone *it* disagrees with
> to Chapman. You'll fit in just fine with the hyenas, and sheep crowd.
>
> Fabby, only you and the faithful would take pride in backing these
> whacked out statements. *Pagan* appears to be as crazy as you are.
geesus you're a flake susie. LOL!
nicko
> As always, you insult others and add nothing of merit to the discussion.
classic self description here.
nicko
<paga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8s577j$3dg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
nyar, your obsession is realy getting out of hand sweetheart. please tell me
you dont have ready access to a firearm.
paga...@my-deja.com
"nicko" <cru...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> <paga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8s5h10
$c4c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Who the hell is this Ny thing anyway?
>
carping on
> endlessly about what bitch yoko is.
I had noticed that.
>
> > What does he/she/it have such an obsessive fixation on Yoko?
>
> ooooo careful, or the other obsessives will cut you down and point
out that
> its "valid beatle discussion" from a really good "researcher".....LOL!
>
Like Susan? Another head case IMHO.
Why the hell do they carry on and on about this? It's creepy.
> > This nutter ought to be locked up with Chapman.
>
> i have to agree. while still in his flakey phase, this sick little
chrysalis
> may well metamorphose one day into a gun totin' loonie tune.
>
Wouldn't surprise me at all, with this type of behavior.
> > What an ass.
>
> ah, the sweet bird of truth settles in rmb........:)
>
>
Miss Marple
Jeremy Boob <jerem...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8s52r1$vcv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Nyarlathotep <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > with grandfatherly guilt over punk rockers [what is Marsh referring
to
> > here?],
>
> first thing they did was disparage everything that came before them.
> Pete T was targeted for writing "hope I die before I get old" and not
> actually going thru with it. Instead of revering the Who for being
one
> of the first true Punk bands ever, they dissed them and everyone else
> as Dinosaurs.
>
> This didn't help Pete's state of mind any and he tried to claw his way
> back into the Rock arena (not that he'd ever left as far as *we* were
> concerned). David Harsh was always a Punk apologist, and he showed
> that in this Open Letter #2.
>
critical source. But yeah, he started out a big Punk booster.
The Walrus was Danny
By all means Pagan Girlie.
>
> Who the hell is this Ny thing anyway?
Another poster. Like you. Another he/she/it. Together we can all bond and
become beautiful once more.
> What does he/she/it have such an obsessive fixation on Yoko?
Well Yoyo was the wife of one JL. She's not very nice. She made a major
contribution to the break up of the fabs, sapped JL of his humour, stalked
him and weedled her crappy little way into his and the other Beatles wives.
Treated the Liverpool family like toss..I could go on and on. She do be a
poisonous parasite she do.
> This nutter ought to be locked up with Chapman.
Oh right. You sound bright as a bell.
> What an ass.
Mine has buttocks, they part and they parp, and they do such in the
direction of thee..listen carefully, put your ears up close to the
screen.can you hear me? Can you smell me? Your nasal hairs will gently sway
in the passing breeze. Smells good yes?
Danny
paga...@my-deja.com
"The Walrus was Danny" <thewalru...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Help me out here
>
> By all means Pagan Girlie.
> >
> >
>
> Well Yoyo was the wife of one JL. She's not very nice. She made a
major
> contribution to the break up of the fabs,
BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Wrong
1 strike
you're out
Nyarlathotep
"The Walrus was Danny" <thewalru...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Help me out here
>
> By all means Pagan Girlie.
> >
>
> Another poster. Like you. Another he/she/it. Together we can all bond
and
> become beautiful once more.
>
>
> Well Yoyo was the wife of one JL. She's not very nice. She made a
major
stalked
> him and weedled her crappy little way into his and the other Beatles
wives.
> Treated the Liverpool family like toss..I could go on and on. She do
be a
> poisonous parasite she do.
Yes. As John's longtime driver, Leslie Anthony observed, Yoko
latched onto John like a limpet mine -- & with the same disastrous
consequences.
With regard to Yoko's suppression of Lennon's wit & humor, it's
interesting to note that, by the time Lennon had detached himself from
Ono (& was living happily with May Pang), his humor re-emerged (as did
his passion for music-making, his appetite [& let's not underestimate
the deleterious effects on Lennon's health of all those crazy diets Yoko
imposed on him], his looks, his friendships with his fellow musicians, &
his desire to spend time with his former bandmates).
paga...@my-deja.com
"nicko" <cru...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> "Nyarlathotep" <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8s7rmr$8bt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Yes. As John's longtime driver, Leslie Anthony observed, Yoko
> > latched onto John like a limpet mine -- & with the same disastrous
> > consequences.
>
doo on
> the bottom of her shoe.
>
> not dangerous per se, but certainly distasteful and foul smelling.
> >
> > With regard to Yoko's suppression of Lennon's wit & humor,
it's
> > interesting to note that, by the time Lennon had detached himself
from
> > Ono (& was living happily with May Pang), his humor re-emerged (as
did
> > his passion for music-making, his appetite [& let's not
underestimate
> > the deleterious effects on Lennon's health of all those crazy diets
Yoko
> > imposed on him], his looks, his friendships with his fellow
musicians, &
> > his desire to spend time with his former bandmates).
>
>
> "even his looks and his appetitie returned......"
>
> .......you are one fucked up nut job nylar!
>
>
I gotta tell you-this person is DANGEROUS.
A two year crusade to tell the world how evil Yoko is! THat is BEYOND
weird!
Diana
>I gotta tell you-this person is DANGEROUS.
>A two year crusade to tell the world how evil Yoko is! THat is BEYOND
>weird!
No Francie. What's beyond weird is having 16,000 email addresses to be sure
you're not ignored by anyone.
- - - - -
Though lovers be lost love shall not
And death shall have no dominion.
-- Dylan Thomas
Susan
>speaks... I'm not Pagan_pal, sweetheart.
>Hate to disappoint you. It's a small, cruel
>world without love, innit...
Now, which personality is this. One doesn't need to be paranoid to know
that you change name frequently to get the attention that you so
desire....Ms. Pig. or are you the ghost, who cares I'll just call you
Sybil.
>Good thing John's love for Yoko
>transcends Death, too...
Did you call _Yo's_ psychic hot line to fine this out.?.
nicko
"The Walrus was Danny" <thewalru...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:39e7...@news.telinco.net...
>..I could go on and on.
"could"?
nicko
The Schwartz B_With_U
amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> paga...@my-deja.com writes:
>
> >I gotta tell you-this person is DANGEROUS.
> >A two year crusade to tell the world how evil Yoko is! THat is BEYOND
> >weird!
>
> No Francie. What's beyond weird is having 16,000 email addresses to be sure
> you're not ignored by anyone.
Ah, Our Lady of Perpetual Paranoia speaks... I'm not Pagan_pal,
sweetheart. Hate to disappoint you. It's a small, cruel world without
love, innit...
Good thing John's love for Yoko transcends Death, too...
;-)
Francie
--
"Everybody has a heart... except *some* people." (Bette Davis, ALL ABOUT
EVE)
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October Theme is Racism/Sexism!
D 28IF
>
>BBBZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTT
>
>
>Wrong
>
>1 strike
>
>you're out
>
>
>
Hi Zoe...errrr, Francie.
D 28IF
>> >I gotta tell you-this person is DANGEROUS.
>> >A two year crusade to tell the world how evil Yoko is! THat is BEYOND
>> >weird!
>>
>> No Francie. What's beyond weird is having 16,000 email addresses to be
>sure
>> you're not ignored by anyone.
>
>Ah, Our Lady of Perpetual Paranoia speaks... I'm not Pagan_pal,
>sweetheart. Hate to disappoint you. It's a small, cruel world without
>love, innit...
This from the woman who constantly accused posters of all being the same
person.
uburoi
nyarla...@my-deja.com wrote on 10/12/00 3:19 PM:
>
>
> Several months ago, someone posted to this NG John & Yoko's (really
> just Yoko's) open "love letter" to "people who ask us what, when, and
> why." Some of us were amazed by the sheer ditziness of this piece,
> which affirmed, among other things, the "logic" of magic & the existence
> of angels. Fred mentioned that the letter earned the Lennons a certain
> amount of ridicule in the press.
> <SNIP>
Aside from Dave Marsh's letter to Rolling Stone, which went largely
unnoticed and uncommented upon, it was quite something to see ANYTHING from
the Lennon camp when that ran. The text was carried verbatim in EVERY major
newspaper the following day. It was BIG NEWS. And, no, the talk on the
street was not about it being un-cool. Just the opposite. Dave Marsh was in
the minority at the time, with respect to this. He was a proponent of the
punk movement, which was absolutely anti-dinosaur at the time.
Whatever the point of this post is, it is wrong. Fred is most certainly
wrong. The letter was overwhelmingly positively received. If there were
people who though it was "ditzy", they were in the small, small minority.
Bob Martin
The Schwartz B_With_U
dblfa...@aol.com (DblFantasy) wrote:
>
>
> if you feel the need to take this as an anti-yoko statement, that's your
> problem. truth is he was eating again (whoppers, pizza, crepes and coca-cola)
> and can someone tell me on what album John looked better on than Walls &
> Bridges?
>
Oh yeah. Binge drinking and heavy duty partying really made John back
into the fat fuck he once was. Bring on the Liverpool slag diet, that's
make him fat and happy.
You idiots.
Ehtue
>Oh yeah. Binge drinking and heavy duty partying really made John back
>into the fat fuck he once was. Bring on the Liverpool slag diet, that's
>make him fat and happy.
Walls and Bridges is one damn fine album, despite the words JL had to say about
it later. And fat??? What do you figure he weighed during the time he was away
from Yoko? He certainly didn't look fat to me. More like normal, but still on
the thin side.
-Ehtue
Johnny Dupe
> Walls and Bridges is one damn fine album,
Hell yeah, it is!
It's almost 2:30 in the morning central time, and I hate to post off
topic, but....
What in the hell are you doing up at this hour?
-John W.
Rare Beatles sound files at: http://www.egroups.com/files/johnscloset/
and http://www.egroups.com/files/johnscloset2/
The Schwartz B_With_U
Johnn...@aol.com wrote:
> Ehtue wrote:
>
> > Walls and Bridges is one damn fine album,
>
>
> It's almost 2:30 in the morning central time, and I hate to post off
> topic, but....
>
> What in the hell are you doing up at this hour?
>
> -John W.
>
Last time I checked, I was cracking wise about this running commentary on
John's "best time" for health. The plumpness, the booze fat... but I may
have been mistaken...
If it's albums you want to compare, even Dave Marsh would have to admit
that POB was about ten times more powerful than W&B... which was quite
good in its wistful way. So shall we now debate which drug inspired the
best writing?
A lot of nonsense.
Be glad he was born and lived in your times... fuck all this "who was the
best woman for John" shite.
A Friend of the Lennon Family
D 28IF
Ehtue
>Ehtue wrote:
>
>> Walls and Bridges is one damn fine album,
>
>Hell yeah, it is!
>
>It's almost 2:30 in the morning central time, and I hate to post off
>topic, but....
>
>What in the hell are you doing up at this hour?
It's not quite so late here, John.
-Ehtue
Ehtue
>The Schwartz B_With_U wrote:
>>
>> Last time I checked, I was cracking wise about this running
>> commentary on John's "best time" for health. The plumpness,
>> the booze fat...
>>
>> So shall we now debate which drug inspired the best writing?
>>
>> A lot of nonsense.
>
>By saying "Binge drinking and heavy duty partying
>really made John back into the fat fuck he once
>was", you're particiapting in this "nonsense" as
>much as anyone. Besides which he wasn't fat or even
>plump during the May/Walls and Bridges era.
Exactly my point. And Walls and Bridges was a damn fine album. ;-)
>> Be glad he was born and lived in your times... fuck all this
>> "who was the best woman for John" shite.
>
>I'll go along with that. It was his business and his
>alone, much like his diet, his weight, and his drug
>use. Same goes for that McCartney fellow whose drug
>use and choice of partners you feel free to
>criticize. Have you checked your double standard
>lately?
Heh.
-Ehtue
Nyarlathotep
same
> person.
Yet *another* instance of Francie's propensity towards
projection...
Nyarlathotep
uburoi <ubu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Aside from Dave Marsh's letter to Rolling Stone, which went largely
> unnoticed and uncommented upon, it was quite something to see ANYTHING
from
> the Lennon camp when that ran. The text was carried verbatim in EVERY
major
> newspaper the following day. It was BIG NEWS. And, no, the talk on the
> street was not about it being un-cool. Just the opposite. Dave Marsh
was in
> the minority at the time, with respect to this. He was a proponent of
the
> punk movement, which was absolutely anti-dinosaur at the time.
>
> Whatever the point of this post is, it is wrong. Fred is most
certainly
> wrong. The letter was overwhelmingly positively received. If there
were
> people who though it was "ditzy", they were in the small, small
minority.
If this is true, then it only demonstrates how wrong the majority
can be.
I'm not sure if it's true, though. I know that some of RS's
readers wrote in to agree that Ono's letter was "cr*p."
Was the Ono-letter ever *lauded* in print? (Obviously, I mean by
someone other than Francie or Mintz.)
d.'s Ghost Writer
<go...@deltanet.com> wrote:
> <shooby...@my-deja.com> screeched:
> > The trend of the 90's in terms of merchandising fluff was angels.
> > Angel books, jewelry, cards, pins, and even therapeutic visualisation
> > reached a peak during the mid-90's. As usual, John and Yoko were ahead of
> > their time when they invoked this image.
>
> Oh yes...let's laud John & Yoko for their foresight in anticipating
> future housewife kitsch. Did they predict the rise of Martha Stewart
> and Sally Jesse Raphael, too??
LOL! I'll bet Yoko had country blue duckies stencilled along her kitchen wall
before anyone else, as well. And John was into Chia Pets and "The Clapper" way
back in '72!
--
northcut at mindspring dot com
Three ornaments of wisdom: abundance of knowledge, a number of precedents,
to employ good counsel -the Triads of Ireland
huzzlewhat
<nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8s5del$964$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Derek's Girl <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > PS: The trend of the 90's in terms of merchandising fluff was angels.
> > Angel books, jewelry, cards, pins, and even therapeutic visualisation
> > reached a peak during the mid-90's. As usual, John and Yoko were ahead
> of
> > their time when they invoked this image.
>
> Ono didn't purport to be initiating a "trend in terms of
> merchandizing fluff." She claimed that she was literally being watched
> over by a trio of angels. She made a similar statement, BTW, during a
> concert of hers in Hiroshima in the mid-70s. That is, she claimed that
> the spirits of all the children killed in the war were soaring above,
> listening to her hideous shrieking. ("Not again," they must've been
> thinking.)
IMO, to say either that John and Yoko were anticipating a mass-market
merchandising of angels or that they thought they were literally being
watched by three real angels is a misreading of the letter. Yes, in the
Postscript, they say they're being watched over by three angels. Which
can certainly (and probably most sensibly) be read as a reference to much
less-frequently quoted body of the letter, in which they say that when
someone is angry with them, they imagine a halo over his or her head, and
picturing them as an angel makes it impossible for them to be angry in
return.
The most popular reading of the postscript is that the three angels refers
to the other three former Beatles, and that it's a nice message. I have
to say, when I read the letter, I thought that if the postscript *did*
refer to Paul, George, and Ringo, it seemed a bit pretty
passive-aggressive and annoying.
Just my opinion, though.
Hazel
--
"And Stella the little fairy wore a little hat, that she
could see through! And Mary the little fairy wore a
little shawl, that kept her warm."
Nyarlathotep
hwhe...@pond.com (huzzlewhat) wrote:
>
> IMO, to say either that John and Yoko were anticipating a mass-market
> merchandising of angels or that they thought they were literally being
> watched by three real angels is a misreading of the letter. Yes, in
the
> Postscript, they say they're being watched over by three angels.
Which
> can certainly (and probably most sensibly) be read as a reference to
much
> less-frequently quoted body of the letter, in which they say that when
> someone is angry with them, they imagine a halo over his or her head,
and
> picturing them as an angel makes it impossible for them to be angry in
> return.
>
> The most popular reading of the postscript is that the three angels
refers
> to the other three former Beatles, and that it's a nice message. I
have
> to say, when I read the letter, I thought that if the postscript *did*
> refer to Paul, George, and Ringo, it seemed a bit pretty
> passive-aggressive and annoying.
>
> Just my opinion, though.
Dave Marsh's suggestion (i.e., that J + Y were referring to their
own guardian angels) seemed more plausible to me than the view that J +
Y were talking about (nonangels) Paul, George, & Ringo.
The Walrus was Danny
> sweetheart. Hate to disappoint you.
Mmm.you weren't "Zoe" or "FGW" either were you?
Tell us the one about the Billy Goats Gruff.
Danny
My back is a disaster area!
"Nyarlathotep" <nyarla...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8sdde8$6gg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
thats because in your messed up, fucked up world nlyar, you want "y and j"
to be seen as flakey losers.
unfortunately for you (once again), even a cursory reading imparts the
correct impression, ie. that of the threetles
wake up nylar. the world is turning and youre standing still in the late
seventies, surrounded by and swaddled in all the myths and fables you decry.
My back is a disaster area!
"The Walrus was Danny" <thewalru...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:39ea4523$2...@news.telinco.net...
> I'm not Pagan_pal,
> > sweetheart. Hate to disappoint you.
>
> Mmm.you weren't "Zoe" or "FGW" either were you?
for god's sake, shutup danny.