Julian Lennon should get a life.
Salvador Astucia
crying about how his daddy left his mommy 38 years ago. This is what
Julian wrote about his father on his website,
http://www.julianlennon.com/, in recognition of 25 years since his
death:
"Dad was a great talent whose music and ideals are an inspiration to
millions. Yet I have always had very mixed feelings about Dad. He was
the father I loved who let me down in so many ways. Who knows how our
relationship might have developed if he had not been murdered... it's
painful to think that his early death robbed me of the chance for us to
know each other better. What can never be taken away are his words and
music, that's his legacy for me. It's in my blood for a start. Like Dad
I became a musician too, and as with many other artistes in this world
his words and music continue to influence me today and probably forever
more."
Poor Julian, his father "let him down." Did it ever occur to Julian
that no one really gives a shit? GET OVER IT, Julian. You ain't the
first kid whose parents got divorced. At least your father had a good
reason. HE WAS JOHN LENNON! Millions of woman threw themselves at him.
Is that so difficult to understand?
You're past 40, Julian. It's time to grow up and get a life.
Salvador
Runnnerr
Hmmmm.... who's writing about whom here? I can't imagine a day that
Julian Lennon would spend a second writing about you.
Perhaps you're the one who needs to get a life, or a hobby or blow-up
doll.
Salvador Astucia
This is my second response because Google never posted the first one
(but it may appear later; Google sucks).
My point was it's low-class for Julian to bitch about his dad not
loving him enough on the 25th anniversary of John's murder.
Someone should tell Julian to get over it. It's never going to be
resolved, not in this life anyway.
Salvador
Salvador Astucia
I just think it's pretty low-class for Julian to focus on himself on
the anniversary of his father's death. Has he ever had a job, or is
being the son of a superstar his job?
Perhaps he should try to feed the hungry, or something like that,
instead of constantly bitching about his parents getting a divorce when
he was a mere toddler. I'm a John Lennon fan, and I don't give a shit
about his spoiled elder son, but Sean seems like a nice guy. He's had
it rough too. You never read of Sean bitching about his dad.
Salvador
PS. J. Edgar Hoover was a faggot.
Jeff Kdvute
>>ever occur to Julian that no one really gives
>>a shit? GET OVER IT, Julian.
I see plently of people who give a shit..who write about it in this
newsgroup often.
>>You're past 40, Julian. It's time to grow up
>>and get a life.
>>Salvador
He probably has a life. Just cause we don't hear about what he's doing
most of the time..doesn't mean he doesn't have a Life..
Jeff
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Jeff Kdvute
>>never going to be resolved, not in this life
>>anyway.
>>Salvador
You've sold plenty of books right? Why do you have so much time to spend
on Julian? You'd better keep writing. Time is money.
Peter Perpetua III
Godzil...@aol.com
> (but it may appear later; Google sucks).
> My point was it's low-class for Julian to bitch about his dad not
> loving him enough on the 25th anniversary of John's murder.
> Someone should tell Julian to get over it. It's never going to be
> resolved, not in this life anyway.
> Salvador
John Lennon bitched about his parents leaving him his whole life. Why
dont you talk about that?
Guess some people cant get over certain things
Haley1001
There's nothing inflammatory about his post about his dad. He didn't
know him too well, but wished he could. Is that so wrong? As pointed
out, John spoke often about his abandoning parents, and wrote song
about it, too. It's only human. It would be more disturbing if he
didn't acknowledge it. He's not the the only celebrity kid to talk
about wayward and absent parents, either. Carnie Wilson has written a
lot of unkind things about her dad Brian, and he couldn't exactly help
being a mentally ill person.
IBen Getiner
He tells it like it is and then people like YOU don't like it. Yeah.
Right.
IBen
LauraD
itself.
From Me To You,
Laura D.
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Salvador Astucia
Godzil...@aol.com wrote:
> John Lennon bitched about his parents leaving him his whole life. Why
> dont you talk about that?
>
> Guess some people cant get over certain things
John's public statements about his mom, Julia, have been extremely
positive and loving, despite the fact that she gave him to her sister
Mimi to raise. John could have developed a huge chip on his shoulder
over that alone, but he didn't. He loved her unconditionally regardless
of her past. We're all aware of the love song John wrote for his
mother, Julia. I would hardly describe that or his public statements
about Julia as "bitching".
Regarding his dad, Alfred "Alf" Lennon, it would be a mistake to
compare the father-son relationship between John and Alf to John's
relationship with Julian. Unlike Julian, John never knew his dad until
he became an adult. John never abandoned Julian in a literal sense, not
like Alf did to John. John had vague memories of his dad from when John
was a toddler. Then Alf disappeared from his life completely, as if he
never existed. It wasn't until after John became a superstar that his
father looked him up and they eventually established a relationship,
but obviously John did not have strong feelings of love and
disappointment for his dad, as Julian claims to have towards John. John
didn't know his dad, so obviously he didn't love him, though perhaps
they developed a bond as adults. (Who knows?)
Most people wouldn't have blamed John if he never spoke to Alf again,
but they eventually developed a relationship, and I believe John more
or less forgave his dad before he died of cancer in around 1976. From
what I understand, there were extenuating circumstances for Alf's
absence from John's childhood (being shipped to USA during WWII,
getting thrown in jail or something like that, Julia didn't want him
back once he found her, alcoholism), and John was apparently willing to
listen to Alf's side of the story.
As far as I know, John's real anger came from his mother's tragic
death--being killed in a hit and run accident by a drunken cop. His
Aunt Mimi felt the same way, from what I've read. Consequently, to
claim that John bitched about his parents his whole life is not really
accurate. He had a lot of tough life experiences, but he didn't blame
his mom for it, and he never knew his dad as a child. Unlike Julian,
John didn't have the luxury of saying he loved his dad, but Alf let him
down. You have to know someone to love them, and John didn't know his
dad. Again, a lot of people in John's place wouldn't have given Alf the
time of day, but John was fairly reasonable, under the circumstances.
Julian's only similarity to John, regarding their parents, is they both
lost a parent at the age of approximately 17, under extremely tragic
circumstances. It seems childish of Julian to publicly say that John
let him down simply because John divorced Julian's mom when Julian was
still a toddler. Having divorced parents is nothing unique or tragic in
this day and age. It isn't healthy for a 40-something year-old man to
carry such a large chip on his shoulder, especially when his father has
been dead for 25 years.
Salvador
Effexorjunkie
Perfect Tommy
He should spend hours every day posting spam and inane conspiracy
theories from multiple servers.
Francie
Perfect Tommy wrote:
>
> He should spend hours every day posting spam and inane conspiracy
> theories from multiple servers.
... or, like you, he should spend hours every day
posting moronic flames and half-baked insults
directed at people whose lives he wishes he could
be living...
Perfect Tommy
directed at people whose lives he wishes he could be living...
Hey! How did you know I wanted to be a failed 'author' / starfucker
with no credibility or class?
Francie
Perfect Tommy spat:
[in response to Francie:]
I didn't know that. But thanks for informing the group as to your
ambitions.
We'll bear that in mind.
Best of luck to you in your endeavors.
F+S
Salvador Astucia
I hope Julian reads this thread. I really don't dislike the guy because
I don't know him, and perhaps "get a life" was a bit strong. "Move on
with your life" would be a better choice of words. Nevertheless, I wish
Julian could see the kind of trash that supports his public criticism
of his own father on the 25th anniversary of John's murder, which was
sponsored by, and is presently being covered up by, the United States
Government.
Salvador
Jeff -
I didn't know, until you just announced it.
Jeff
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Jeff -
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to the public about his inner turmoil. Certain things are best kept
private.
Julian's constant whining about such personal issues reminds me of an
interview I read with Sean several years ago where Sean says he was
close to his father and then mentions John told him to wipe his penis
after he pees. I mean, that fact was a revelatation, but must Sean
tell the whole world? Is the world now a better place?
McFeeley
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And it's better now you've regurgitated it?
>
Jeff -
>>instead of talking so much to the public
>>about his inner turmoil. Certain things are
>>best kept private.
You might complain to the public too, if you were in Julian's shoes, and
your father was loved all over the world...but abandoned you.
>>Julian's constant whining about such
>>personal issues reminds me of an interview I
>>read with Sean several years ago where
>>Sean says he was close to his father and
>>then mentions John told him to wipe his
>>penis after he pees.
What does this have to do with anything? Geez.
LOL
>>I mean, that fact was a revelatation, but must
>>Sean tell the whole world?
I wouldn't call it a revelatation, nor a Revolution.
Well... you know.
<g>
>>Is the world now a better place?
Yes it is. Does Saddam wipe his penis when he pees too?
fatt...@yahoo.com
"Does Saddam wipe his penis when he pees too?"
You are making an assumption . . . . that he pees.
Jeff -
Salvador Astucia
> I think Julian needs to talk to a therapist instead of talking so much
> to the public about his inner turmoil. Certain things are best kept
> private.
Yes. I agree completely. People say John did the same thing, but that's
nonsense. The closest he came to complaining about his parents was in
the lyrics of the song, Mother, which is hardly a complaint. I've never
read where John actually said bitter things about his father, not
directly, although I've read other people's opinions that he held
bitter feelings about his dad for many years. I do not deny that he
did, but John had enough class not to publicly ridicule his father.
>From what I've read on this newsgroup, Julian is probably being
encouraged to express negative feelings about his father. When the
United States Government assassinates someone, they don't stop at
killing the physical person, they try to destroy his/her memory
afterwards. That's what was done to President Kennedy, Martin Luther
King, Bobby Kennedy, even Princess Dianna. Julian needs to wake up and
smell the coffee.
Salvador
Danny Caccavo
fatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
Like father, like son.
dc
Francie
When someone is (was) as public as John, "we" get the bad with the
good.
Actually, Yoko told me she was concerned about how outspoken Sean is,
and I replied "He is his father's son." Which made her light up (and I
dont mean a cigarette).
As far as poor Julian is concerned, I think he is pathetic for
restating his complaints about his father as part of supporting his
mother in her "new" book, but it's understandable. Like mother, like
son? It would be a sign of Julian's maturity, and his healing process
if he could find a more calm and peaceful middle ground when it comes
to making public statements about John.
Francie
McFeeley
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about it.
LauraD
history, they do exist and were a part of it. No matter how much it irks
Yoko, Julian is John's son, and not even she can change that, not by even
trying to rewrite Lennon history like she is doing. He is more the musical
legacy to John than Sean, though Sean does have a lot of talent too. I think
Yoko needs to get over the fact that Julian exists and has talent.
From Me To You,
Laura D.
P.S. Does anyone know if on the WALLS & BRIDGES reissue if Yoko cut "Ya Ya"
with Julian on it?
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>
Salvador Astucia
> Despite your and Yoko's wishes to erase Julian and Cynthia from Beatles
> history, they do exist and were a part of it. No matter how much it irks
> Yoko, Julian is John's son, and not even she can change that, not by even
> trying to rewrite Lennon history like she is doing.
I've never read where Yoko has tried to erase Julian and Cynthia from
the Beatles' history. It seems like Yoko haters should admit that she
is not related to Julian; he was John's son and is the half brother of
her only son, Sean. Naturally she won't feel the same way about Julian
that she feels about her own flesh and blood.
> He is more the musical legacy to John than Sean, though Sean does have
> a lot of talent too.
What does that mean? Are you claiming Julian is more talented than
Sean, or that Julian is more Beatle-like than Sean? That comment really
doesn't make any sense at all. Sean and Julian are both John Lennon's
sons. Therefore, in theory, they have equal "musical legacy" to John,
whatever that means.
> I think Yoko needs to get over the fact that Julian exists and has talent.
This thread really isn't about Yoko. It's about Julian having bitter
feelings about a dad who left him and his mommy when he was what, five
or six years old? Poor Julian. Like I said before, the guy needs to
move on with his life.
Salvador
Phil Allison
<cropdu...@cs.com> wrote:
>. It seems like Yoko haters should admit that she
>is not related to Julian; he was John's son and is the half brother of
>her only son, Sean. Naturally she won't feel the same way about Julian
>that she feels about her own flesh and blood.
and it's natural for us to feel differently about you than about a
normal human being.
Salvador Astucia
> and it's natural for us to feel differently about you than about a
> normal human being.
In other words, you think publicly insulting a dead parent is
acceptable. That's interesting.
Anyway, Julian needs to grow up and stop letting his mommy fill his
head with nonsense about his dad.
Salvador
Francie
LauraD wrote:
> Despite your and Yoko's wishes to erase Julian and Cynthia from Beatles
> history,
>
Neither Yoko nor I have ever wished to "erase" Cyn & Jules from Beatles
history, you poor thing! It is ignorant (of the facts) people like you
who project their personal bias onto Yoko. She is damned if she does,
damned if she doesn't (reissue John's music, make art about peace,
accept honorary awards, promote music education, fund charitable
institutions...). If she were engaged in "fighting" anyone or anything,
I think we would know about it.
>
> ...they do exist and were a part of it.
>
I haven't noticed Yoko attacking any of the books about the Beatles
which mention Cyn & Julian, or even objecting to Julian's continued
retrospective list of complaints about his dead daddy. Where do you get
these cockeyed theories, Laura?
fatt...@yahoo.com
"Despite your and Yoko's wishes to erase Julian and Cynthia from
Beatles history etc."
I agree with Laura that Yoko tends to erase Julian and Cynthia. Just
look at the recently failed Lennon Broadway Show. The show in San
Francisco did not or hardly mentioned Cynthia at all. In response to
criticism, the NY show mentioned Cyn a little bit more. Remember, the
Beatles years were covered in 15 minutes!!
I have also read (although I am not an eye witness) that Cynthia and
Julian are not mentioned or are barely mentioned in the John Lennon
Museum in Japan.
I bought a children's book about John called John Lennon's Secret
Dream. Although the emphasis is, of course, on John, Cyn and Julian
are barely mentioned, if at all. Of course, Yoko figures prominantly
in the later years.
We must keep in mind that thanks to John, Yoko is very powerful. She
has control over the Lennon estate which means powerful corporations
must come to Queen Yoko to get permission to use John's music, image,
writings, etc. Therefore, when a movie is made, a book written, etc.
it tends to be Yokocentric and downplay or omit Cynthia, Julian and
May.
Salvador Astucia
> I agree with Laura that Yoko tends to erase Julian and Cynthia. Just
> look at the recently failed Lennon Broadway Show. The show in San
> Francisco did not or hardly mentioned Cynthia at all. In response to
> criticism, the NY show mentioned Cyn a little bit more. Remember, the
> Beatles years were covered in 15 minutes!!
Isn't it possible that the Beatle years were summarized quickly because
most people know about them already? That's hardly erasing Julian and
Cynthia.
> I have also read (although I am not an eye witness) that Cynthia and
> Julian are not mentioned or are barely mentioned in the John Lennon
> Museum in Japan.
No comment since neither of us seems to know much about this topic.
> I bought a children's book about John called John Lennon's Secret
> Dream. Although the emphasis is, of course, on John, Cyn and Julian
> are barely mentioned, if at all. Of course, Yoko figures prominantly
> in the later years.
>
> We must keep in mind that thanks to John, Yoko is very powerful.
John did what most married wealthy men do when they die. They typically
leave their estates to their wives, not their ex-wives.
> She
> has control over the Lennon estate which means powerful corporations
> must come to Queen Yoko to get permission to use John's music, image,
> writings, etc.
Like I said, wealthy men tend to leave their estates to their wives.
There's nothing sinister or underhanded about it.
> Therefore, when a movie is made, a book written, etc.
> it tends to be Yokocentric and downplay or omit Cynthia, Julian and
> May.
Only those books that Yoko has control over.
Again, dwelling on a relationship (John and Cynthia's) that ended
nearly 40 years ago is just plain silly.
It's sad to see someone become bitter over his parents' broken
relationship. It appears as though Julian's mother shares a good deal
of the blame for Julian's bitter feelings about his dad.
Salvador
fatt...@yahoo.com
"It appears as though Julian's mother shares a good deal of the blame
for Julian's bitter feelings about his dad."
Why do you say that? What evidence is there that Cyn did anything to
fan the flames?
We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. You may be right or
wrong, but I have seen no proof.
In a way, I do feel sorry for Julian. He must be aware that John spent
little time with him as a child and certainly was not a "househusband".
In contrast, John was devoted to Sean. Plus, Julian saw first hand
that John, Yoko and Sean lived the life of millionaires while Julian
lived a middle class existance. Julian understandably is jealous. He
also strikes me as money hungry (which is not a positive reflection on
him, but I understand it).
Another problem Julian faces is his name: Julian LENNON. When Julian
was a boy and then became a teenager he faced peer pressure. His peers
would say to him essentially: "You're a Lennon? How come you're not
filthy rich?" And then Julian would see the Sean lived a charmed life
traveling the world, going to the best schools, surrounded by servants,
etc.
So, I do have some sympathy for Julian, but I think he must resolve his
issues in therapy. It does not do him any good or the world any good
for him to keep bitching.
Salvador Astucia
> Sal wrote,
>
> "It appears as though Julian's mother shares a good deal of the blame
> for Julian's bitter feelings about his dad."
>
> Why do you say that? What evidence is there that Cyn did anything to
> fan the flames?
Because Julian's complaints about his dad center around the failed
relationship between his parents. On the other hand, it's entirely
possibly that Julian is merely using their divorce as a pretext and
he's really upset because he wants more money from the estate, which is
controlled by Yoko. Again, wealthy men tend to leave there estates to
their wives, not their ex-wives.
I suspect that if Julian would be polite to Yoko and treat her with
more respect, she would probably give money whenever he asked for it,
as long as he wasn't a pest. But she's never going to give him the
entire Lennon estate, or even half of it, so he may as well accept it.
Yoko isn't his mother, so it's unreasonable to expect that she would
give him a huge chunk of John's estate.
> We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. You may be right or
> wrong, but I have seen no proof.
>
> In a way, I do feel sorry for Julian. He must be aware that John spent
> little time with him as a child and certainly was not a "househusband".
> In contrast, John was devoted to Sean. Plus, Julian saw first hand
> that John, Yoko and Sean lived the life of millionaires while Julian
> lived a middle class existance. Julian understandably is jealous. He
> also strikes me as money hungry (which is not a positive reflection on
> him, but I understand it).
>
> Another problem Julian faces is his name: Julian LENNON. When Julian
> was a boy and then became a teenager he faced peer pressure. His peers
> would say to him essentially: "You're a Lennon? How come you're not
> filthy rich?" And then Julian would see the Sean lived a charmed life
> traveling the world, going to the best schools, surrounded by servants,
> etc.
>
> So, I do have some sympathy for Julian, but I think he must resolve his
> issues in therapy. It does not do him any good or the world any good
> for him to keep bitching.
Agreed.
Salvador