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The Stereo Doctor

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Oct 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/4/99
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Hello to all. This is my first posting on any news-group, so please
don't beat me up too badly. The " new " version of Eleanor Rigby on
Yellow Sub is interesting. Is it me, or does Pauls vocal seem out of
sync with the orchestra in a few places ?? I swear, it sounds like his
vocal track was " lifted " from the original, then placed back, with the
orchestra, and centered in the sound stage. The vocal sounds the same,
but is "out of time " in one spot. Maybe, I am too critical, but I don't
remember this being a problem on " Revolver ". Thanks for any response.
-- Steve --

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Nowhere Man

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Oct 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/4/99
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The Stereo Doctor wrote:
>
> Hello to all. This is my first posting on any news-group, so please
> don't beat me up too badly.

Steve (ie Stereo Doctor), welcome to the newsgroup. Cool name by the
way.


> The " new " version of Eleanor Rigby on
> Yellow Sub is interesting. Is it me, or does Pauls vocal seem out of
> sync with the orchestra in a few places ??

apparently it is out of sync......some in here say as much as
30MS...that's as much as I know. Others will know much more.

best,

Will

SunK...@webtv.net

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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DJMangin

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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>You could be right...the engineers of Abbey Road Studios used a vocal
>tracking technique called: ATD, or Audio Tape Delay.

are you sure you're not thinking of ADT or Auto Double Tracking, which was
basically first done by messing about with the heads on a Studer/ReVox tape
deck? This was also the basis of the first flanging technique ADT and then
flanging the reel...

"In the flinty light, it's midnight, stars collide"

ą

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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Hi Steve
like the "Stereo Doctor " title....
Your right the vocals are out a bit and if you listen very clearly to
REVOLVER you can hear the experimentation that took place then.Today ATD
takes place and perhaps this could be slightly at fault...
Best Rgds
Rickenbacker.
The Stereo Doctor <ma...@stereodoctor.com> wrote in message
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> Hello to all. This is my first posting on any news-group, so please
> don't beat me up too badly. The " new " version of Eleanor Rigby on

> Yellow Sub is interesting. Is it me, or does Pauls vocal seem out of
> sync with the orchestra in a few places ?? I swear, it sounds like his
> vocal track was " lifted " from the original, then placed back, with the
> orchestra, and centered in the sound stage. The vocal sounds the same,
> but is "out of time " in one spot. Maybe, I am too critical, but I don't
> remember this being a problem on " Revolver ". Thanks for any response.
> -- Steve --
>

chocolate jesus......

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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<SunK...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> You could be right...the engineers of Abbey Road Studios used a vocal
> tracking technique called: ATD, or Audio Tape Delay. It was similar to
> vocal 'double-tracking' with one exception...the second vocal over-dub
> laid down slightly out of sync, so that the end result was an echo
> effect.
>

ok i dont want to steal danny's thunder here, but it's actually ADT...:)

Luke Pacholski

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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In article <5451-37F...@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
SunK...@webtv.net wrote:

>You could be right...the engineers of Abbey Road Studios used a vocal
>tracking technique called: ATD, or Audio Tape Delay. It was similar to
>vocal 'double-tracking' with one exception...the second vocal over-dub
>laid down slightly out of sync, so that the end result was an echo
>effect.

ADT - Artificial Double Tracking...

And of course the second vocal is out of sync - if you sing something
twice, it won't be in perfect sync, and if you play the same thing back
twice in perfect sync, it will sound like one thing... Thus you put a bit
of delay to make it sound like two things...

Luke

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Danny Caccavo

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Oct 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/13/99
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In article <37F76325...@cwcom.net>, Nowhere Man
<wmulh...@cwcom.net> wrote:

> The Stereo Doctor wrote:
> >
> > Hello to all. This is my first posting on any news-group, so please
> > don't beat me up too badly.
>

> Steve (ie Stereo Doctor), welcome to the newsgroup. Cool name by the
> way.
>
>

> > The " new " version of Eleanor Rigby on
> > Yellow Sub is interesting. Is it me, or does Pauls vocal seem out of
> > sync with the orchestra in a few places ??
>

> apparently it is out of sync......some in here say as much as
> 30MS...that's as much as I know. Others will know much more.
>
> best,
>
> Will
>
> --
>

Yes, it *is* out of sync, and it has nothing to do with ADT. Someone blew
it on the remix. Anyway, on the original, ADT was not used on the verses.

DC

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Danny Caccavo

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