Hey Jude: How Did Jews React?
gurz...@aol.com
Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
on the song at the time? I've also read that "Blackbird" was construed by
some at the time to be an encouragement for the black movement. Of
course, in 1968 when revolution replaced all you need is love anything the
Beatles wrote could be given some sort of political interpretation. 1968
was a horrible year and it is not surprising that the White Album is the
glum album it is. Indeed, aside from the artistic, personal, and
financial problems that finally broke up the Beatles, I wonder if there
was any political friction within the group. It seems clear that Paul,
George, and Ringo had no problem with "Revolution" as long as it was
played faster, but how did they feel about John's radical inclinations
(even if they were, in hindsight, rather shallow) both during the Beatles
(the bed-in, give peace a chance, etc.) and after the Beatles?
Oops, I've gotten away from my original question! Sorry, I'll stop now.
Fred
Norman G. Hill
gurz...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
> because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
> on the song at the time?
I'm glad you mentioned that. When HJ came out, my mom (who is German) was
in Germany, and all these Germans were playing this song on jukeboxes all
the time because it is so long that they figured they got more song for
their money. They didn't know English, and they really thought that this
song was about Jews. My mom, who knew English, tried to tell them what it
was really about, but they wouldn't listen. My mom, to this day, doesn't
really like this song because those Germans made her so sick and tired of
it. Hmmm, that story sounded funnier when my mom told it :-/
Mandy
Stephanie Bradley
gurz...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
> because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
> on the song at the time?
I don't know about that, but another Jude - St. Jude - is the patron
saint of lost causes.
-Steph
PS: there's also Thomas Hardy's novel "Jude the Obscure."
Phil Miller
gurz...@aol.com wrote:
: Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
: because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
: on the song at the time?
Germans spell it "Jude", but pronounce it YOU DA. So Paul wouldn't
have to worry about Banai Birthright unless he sang "Hey you dah,
don't make it bad".
Ever notice that the single, "Hey Jude/bw Revolution", is damn near
close to the last two books of the New Testament, Jude and Revelation?
: in 1968 when revolution replaced all you need is love anything the
: Beatles wrote could be given some sort of political interpretation.
"Wild Honey Pie" was about bees liberating from their bee-keepers.
philll
Carl Christensen
gurz...@aol.com wrote:
>Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
>because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
From what I heard Paul had "Hey Jude" painted on the windows of one of the
Apple shops and the neighboring Jewish businessmen had it taken off (or by
some accounts smashed the windows) as they thought it was anti-Semitic
graffiti.
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ANDREW B
In article <19961113165...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
gurz...@aol.com writes
>Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
>because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
>on the song at the time? I've also read that "Blackbird" was construed by
>course, in 1968 when revolution replaced all you need is love anything the
>Beatles wrote could be given some sort of political interpretation. 1968
>was a horrible year and it is not surprising that the White Album is the
>glum album it is. Indeed, aside from the artistic, personal, and
>financial problems that finally broke up the Beatles, I wonder if there
>was any political friction within the group. It seems clear that Paul,
>George, and Ringo had no problem with "Revolution" as long as it was
>played faster, but how did they feel about John's radical inclinations
>(even if they were, in hindsight, rather shallow) both during the Beatles
>(the bed-in, give peace a chance, etc.) and after the Beatles?
>
>Oops, I've gotten away from my original question! Sorry, I'll stop now.
>
>Fred
shop. The next day the window had been smashed by an Old jewish guy who
said the reason he did it was that the Nazi's painted the word Jude on
jewish houses during the war and it distressed him.
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ANDREW B
koz...@aol.com
gurz...@aol.com wrote:
: Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
: because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
: on the song at the time?
Actually there was some sensitivity about that, not necessarily because of
the title, but, if I remember correctly, because of a campaign in which
Apple painted the name of the single on its window, which seemed eerily
reminiscent of "Jude" and "Juden Raus" being painted on the windows of
shops owned by Jews in Germany 30 years earlier. I think everyone involved
realized that 1) the similarity was an unfortunate coincidence and not
meant with any malice, and 2) that it was painful nevertheless, and so it
was removed from the window.
Allan <kozinn@aol>
Bruce Dumes
Mark Zutkoff (mzut...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: On the other hand, does anybody think that Paul sings, "Get back, Jew"
: instead of "Get back, Jo" in one of the "Get Back" outtakes (the one on
: Glyn John's unreleased "Get Back" album)? (Obviously, it wasn't on
: purpose...)
: And at the end of the "Dig A Pony" outtake on A3, John says "Shlabat",
: or something like that; Paul evidently thinks it sounds like "Shabbat"
: (Hebrew for "Sabbath") and adds "Shalom"! ("Shabbat Shalom" is a Jewish
: greeting on the Sabbath.)
Mark may have uncovered some evidence that has eluded some of the
great Beatle scholars -- Paul didn't die in 1967, he converted to
Judaism, and in doing so, won the heart of Linda Eastman, a nice
Jewish girl (my grandmother used to make me promise I'd marry one
of those...).
The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
"Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
nights, anyway?"
:-)
Bruce
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In article <QyxP0AAB...@blumeani.demon.co.uk>,
ANDREW B <AND...@blumeani.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I also heard that Paul Painted HEY JUDE across the window of the apple
>shop. The next day the window had been smashed by an Old jewish guy who
>said the reason he did it was that the Nazi's painted the word Jude on
>jewish houses during the war and it distressed him.
Oiy! You matzoball!
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John Sinclair
On 11/13/96 06:50PM, in message
<19961113165...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, gurz...@aol.com wrote:
> Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
> because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
> on the song at the time?
Don't know about Jewish leaders, but here's a quote from _Paul McCartney, In
His Own Words_:
"To one fellow Jude meant Jew, "Juden Raus", "Jew Get Out". At the time we had
the Apple shop, I went in one night and put whitewash on all the windows and
rubbed out 'Hey Jude' as a big ad...and some feller from a little Jewish
delicatessen rang up the office the next day. He said 'If my sons vere vif me,
I'd sent von of them round to kill you. You are doing this terrible thing with
the Jewish name. Wat you want, Juden Raus, you trying to start the whole Nazi
thing again?'"
Pretty understandable, if you look at it from his point of view.
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In article <56ei91$a...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>,
mzut...@ix.netcom.com(Mark Zutkoff) wrote:
> ... one of the bullies saw me and yelled, "Hey, Jew!" For
> some reason, I shot back, "If you put a 'D' on the end of that, you'll
> have a hit song!" He was struck so speechless that he didn't follow me
> to beat me up! ...
But it unfortunately worked the other way as well. A lot of schoolyard
idiots took to saying or singing "Hey Jew!" as a result of "Hey Jude," not
that it was the Beatles' fault of course.
--Robert
Mark Zutkoff
>> Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey
Jude"
>> because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders
comment
>> on the song at the time?
Don't know about leaders, but I experienced the following: back in
junior high school, I was bullied a lot. One day in 1968, I was leaving
the school, when one of the bullies saw me and yelled, "Hey, Jew!" For
some reason, I shot back, "If you put a 'D' on the end of that, you'll
have a hit song!" He was struck so speechless that he didn't follow me
to beat me up! That was one of the first times I was able to use humor
to diffuse a difficult situation. So I'm grateful to Paul for giving me
the ammunition.
On the other hand, does anybody think that Paul sings, "Get back, Jew"
instead of "Get back, Jo" in one of the "Get Back" outtakes (the one on
Glyn John's unreleased "Get Back" album)? (Obviously, it wasn't on
purpose...)
And at the end of the "Dig A Pony" outtake on A3, John says "Shlabat",
or something like that; Paul evidently thinks it sounds like "Shabbat"
(Hebrew for "Sabbath") and adds "Shalom"! ("Shabbat Shalom" is a Jewish
greeting on the Sabbath.)
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biffy...@aol.com
gurz...@aol.com wrote:
>I've also read that "Blackbird" was construed by
>some at the time to be an encouragement for the black >movement.
"I sang it for Diana Ross the other night. She took offense. [laughs]
But I didn't mean it like that!"--Paul McCartney (quoted from memory, so I
probably got it slightly wrong, but it's close).
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dave...@aol.com
I read somewhere...can't recall...that in rehearsing for the song "Baby
You're a Rich Man" he would sometimes sing, in reference to Brian Epstein,
"baby you're a rich fag jew." I think I also read that supposedly you can
hear him sing it that way at the end of the released version during the
fade-out (although I personally don't hear it).
Don't know why I mentioned this. I guess we need to remember that the
Beatles lived in a time when people were less sensitive to the effect
their words have on others. Or, maybe they just didn't care...
Michael Shoshani
Bruce Dumes (du...@hks.com) wrote:
: The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
: Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
: "Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
: It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
: nights, anyway?"
: :-)
Don't forget the song titles...
Twist And Schlep
This Goy
A Taste Of Matza
Roll Over Maimonides
I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
Can't Buy Me Gefilte Fish
I Don't Want To Spoil The Simcha
Everybody's Trying To Be My Bubbe
You've Got To Hide Your Schmaltz Away
Day Nosher
I've Just Seen A Shayneh Punim
Eleanor Shickse
And Your Bird Can Kvetch
Tomorrow Couldn't Hurt
Lucy In The Sky With Herring
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Berel
Honey Cake
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Mark Zutkoff
>Don't forget the song titles...
>
>Twist And Schlep
>This Goy
>A Taste Of Matza
>Roll Over Maimonides
>I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
>Can't Buy Me Gefilte Fish
>I Don't Want To Spoil The Simcha
>Everybody's Trying To Be My Bubbe
*ROTFL!*
>You've Got To Hide Your Schmaltz Away
>Day Nosher
>I've Just Seen A Shayneh Punim
>Eleanor Shickse
>And Your Bird Can Kvetch
*LOL!*
>Tomorrow Couldn't Hurt
Oh, yes...
>Lucy In The Sky With Herring
>The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Berel
>Honey Cake
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> Michael Shoshani // and suppose you were a member of Congress;
> Chicago IL, USA // but I repeat myself.
>http://miso.wwa.com/~shoshani/ // --Mark
Twain
Well, it PETERed out at the end; the early stuff was BEST. :)
John Sinclair
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rasm...@aol.com
In article <56gqip$o...@kirin.wwa.com>, shos...@wwa.com (Michael Shoshani)
writes:
>
>Don't forget the song titles...
>
>Twist And Schlep
>This Goy
>A Taste Of Matza
>Roll Over Maimonides
>I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
And don't forget The ballad of Shlomo and Chaim and OY! Darling
Jim Vegeais
In a previous article, koz...@aol.com () says:
>gurz...@aol.com wrote:
>
>: Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
>: because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
>: on the song at the time?
>
>Actually there was some sensitivity about that, not necessarily because of
>the title, but, if I remember correctly, because of a campaign in which
>Apple painted the name of the single on its window, which seemed eerily
>reminiscent of "Jude" and "Juden Raus" being painted on the windows of
>shops owned by Jews in Germany 30 years earlier. I think everyone involved
>realized that 1) the similarity was an unfortunate coincidence and not
>meant with any malice, and 2) that it was painful nevertheless, and so it
>was removed from the window.
>
>
I'd read that, rather than being removed, it had been vandalized.
(Well, I guess that *is* one way to remove it.)
Burgman
In article <56gqip$o...@kirin.wwa.com>,
shos...@wwa.com (Michael Shoshani) wrote:
>Bruce Dumes (du...@hks.com) wrote:
>
>: The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
>: Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
>: "Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
>: It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
>: nights, anyway?"
>
>: :-)
>
>
>Twist And Schlep
>This Goy
>A Taste Of Matza
>Roll Over Maimonides
>I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
>I Don't Want To Spoil The Simcha
>Everybody's Trying To Be My Bubbe
>Day Nosher
>I've Just Seen A Shayneh Punim
>Eleanor Shickse
>And Your Bird Can Kvetch
>Lucy In The Sky With Herring
>The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Berel
>Honey Cake
>
Where do you get this kind of stuff from anyway?
Zach Burgman
Brookline Booksmith
I thought it was common knowledge that Paul wrote "Diyanu" and the Dreidel Song.
--Carol Jude
goodsense
> >Don't forget the song titles...
> >
> >Twist And Schlep
> >This Goy
"Tomorrow Couldn't Hurt"
thanks that made my day!
JI
Good Sense Records
David Goodwin
du...@hks.com (Bruce Dumes) wrote:
<snip>
>Mark may have uncovered some evidence that has eluded some of the
>great Beatle scholars -- Paul didn't die in 1967, he converted to
>Judaism, and in doing so, won the heart of Linda Eastman, a nice
>Jewish girl (my grandmother used to make me promise I'd marry one
>of those...).
>The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
>Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
>"Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
>It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
>nights, anyway?"
>:-)
>Bruce
Paul isn't Jewish, but his KIDS certainly are! Unless they converted
each and every one of them, they are Jewish by law, as the mother is
Jewish. Wonderful, isn't it? <g>
David
Roger Wiseman
In article <56isgc$1...@ns2.spectra.net>, bur...@spectra.net (Burgman) wrote:
>In article <56gqip$o...@kirin.wwa.com>,
> shos...@wwa.com (Michael Shoshani) wrote:
>>Bruce Dumes (du...@hks.com) wrote:
>>: Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
>>: "Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
>>: It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
>>: nights, anyway?"
>>: :-)
>>
>>Twist And Schlep
>>This Goy
>>Roll Over Maimonides
>>I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
>>Can't Buy Me Gefilte Fish
>>I Don't Want To Spoil The Simcha
>>Everybody's Trying To Be My Bubbe
>>You've Got To Hide Your Schmaltz Away
>>Day Nosher
>>I've Just Seen A Shayneh Punim
>>Eleanor Shickse
>>And Your Bird Can Kvetch
>>Tomorrow Couldn't Hurt
>>Lucy In The Sky With Herring
>>The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Berel
>>Honey Cake
hehehehehehe!!!
>Where do you get this kind of stuff from anyway?
>
>Zach Burgman
Jackie Mason???????????????
Brookline Booksmith
Or, as an old friend responded to her grandmother after a question about her then-current
boyfriend "no, but he's circumsized".
Although I doubt Macca is.
d.
In article <328DC8...@tiac.net>, Brookline Booksmith
<bbks...@tiac.net> wrote:
He is, according to Mike "McGear" McCartney. Isn't that special? :-)
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biffy...@aol.com
cr...@ovnet.com (Roger Wiseman) wrote:
>>Where do you get this kind of stuff from anyway?
>
>Jackie Mason???????????????
...or the National Lampoon? Their Beatles issue (October 1977) had a
track listing for the unreleased Rabbi Saul album (a tribute to Brian
Epstein's mum, Queenie), which included:
Hey, Juden
Here Comes My Son, The Doctor Robert
Helter Schmelter (damn, I thought I made that one up)
Your Mother Should Only Know
P.S.I.O.U.
If I Kvell
Mocky Raccoon (I don't even know what that one means, hope it isn't rude)
Sexy Seder
The Schul On The Hill
...to which I might add:
It's All Too Much, Already
Lady Mezuzah
Passover Time Is Here Again
Mean Mister Matzoh
koz...@aol.com
>>> I'd read that, rather than being removed, it had been vandalized.
(Well, I guess that *is* one way to remove it.)<<<
No, I think it was removed by Apple. A longer version of the same story
has already been posted.
Allan <kozinn@aol>
Brookline Booksmith
Re: McCircumcision
Thanks for the wonderful news! I think you've made a lot of us very happy. Not that there's
anything wrong with not being, y'know, just....I'd better sign off now.
Michael Shoshani
biffy...@aol.com wrote:
: Mocky Raccoon (I don't even know what that one means, hope it isn't rude)
"Mocky" (yiddish from Hebrew 'makkah') is a plague or a physical blow.
It is used colloquially to describe someone who is a general pain in the
neck.
This list was far better than mine :) 'Shul On The Hill' and 'Your Mother
Should Only Know' take the cake! :) (Someone else suggested 'Oy,
Darling', which had never occurred to me....)
Michael Shoshani
Burgman (bur...@spectra.net) wrote:
: Where do you get this kind of stuff from anyway?
My own demented mind :)
sanji singh boparai
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, David Goodwin wrote:
> du...@hks.com (Bruce Dumes) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Mark may have uncovered some evidence that has eluded some of the
> >great Beatle scholars -- Paul didn't die in 1967, he converted to
> >Judaism, and in doing so, won the heart of Linda Eastman, a nice
> >Jewish girl (my grandmother used to make me promise I'd marry one
> >of those...).
>
> >The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
> >Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
> >"Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
> >It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
> >nights, anyway?"
>
> >:-)
>
> >Bruce
>
> Paul isn't Jewish, but his KIDS certainly are! Unless they converted
> each and every one of them, they are Jewish by law, as the mother is
> Jewish. Wonderful, isn't it? <g>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
By whose Law? Could you refrain from talking about Judiaism, as it is
one of the most unabashadly supremicist "religion" I can think of. I hope
God doesn't send any crickets to kill me becuase I spoke agianst the
Chosen People. The whole religion is so grating. But, it must be
comforting to think that the most powerful force has a special place in
his heart for those select few lucky enough to be born Jewish. Its not a
religion, its self-aggrandizement.
Sanji
gms
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961116...@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>,
As long as you asked, Sanji, Paul's kids are considered Jewish by Jewish
law, which states that if the mother is Jewish, the kids are automatically
Jewish. As for the rest of your post, I don't believe it belongs on this
newsgroup as it has nothing to do with the Beatles. Take it to alt. rel.
hate.
rasm...@aol.com
In article
<northcut-161...@user-168-121-27-50.dialup.mindspring.com>,
nort...@mindspring.com (d.) writes:
> he's circumsized".
>> Although I doubt Macca is.
>
>He is, according to Mike "McGear" McCartney. Isn't that special? :-)
>
>
Yes, but what "size" is his "circum"???????????????????
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biffy...@aol.com
nort...@mindspring.com (d.) wrote:
>In article <328DC8...@tiac.net>, Brookline Booksmith
<bbks...@tiac.net> wrote:
>
>> Or, as an old friend responded to her grandmother after a question
about
>>her then-current
>> boyfriend "no, but he's circumsized".
>> Although I doubt Macca is.
>
>He is, according to Mike "McGear" McCartney. Isn't that special? :-)
Well, at least we know John wasn't...unless he had it done after 1968!
8^O
John Sinclair
On 11/17/96 04:05AM, in message
<Pine.SOL.3.91.961116...@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>, sanji singh
boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> By whose Law? Could you refrain from talking about Judiaism, as it is
> one of the most unabashadly supremicist "religion" I can think of. I hope
> God doesn't send any crickets to kill me becuase I spoke agianst the
> Chosen People. The whole religion is so grating. But, it must be
> comforting to think that the most powerful force has a special place in
> his heart for those select few lucky enough to be born Jewish. Its not a
> religion, its self-aggrandizement.
Oy.
You really *should* get a life, troll.
Susan Juliano
>gurz...@aol.com wrote:
>
>: Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
>: because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
>: on the song at the time?
I'm unaware of any controversy on that particular interpretation, but I lead a
very sheltered life. ;-) At the time the song was released, I wasn't aware of
the story of Paul writing it for Julian, that he shortened 'Julian' to 'Jules'
and then changed it to 'Jude', that 'Jude' was a common British nickname for
'Judy' or 'Judith', or that 'judy' was slang (Australian?) for 'girl', 'bird',
or 'chick'. I guess anything that gets international exposure is bound to
puzzle a few people and offend a few more, no matter what the writer's
original intentions may have been.
===========================================================
Susan Juliano <sjul...@moose.erie.net> "We all shine on." -John Lennon
Suchka
> > By whose Law? Could you refrain from talking about Judiaism, as it is
> > one of the most unabashadly supremicist "religion" I can think of. I hope
> > God doesn't send any crickets to kill me becuase I spoke agianst the
> > Chosen People. The whole religion is so grating. But, it must be
> > comforting to think that the most powerful force has a special place in
> > his heart for those select few lucky enough to be born Jewish. Its not a
> > religion, its self-aggrandizement.
>
> Oy.
> You really *should* get a life, troll.
He asked a valid question. If you cannot answer that (on the other hand,
who wants to have a religious debate on rmb), you really *should* get a
brain, you conservative (the worst insult there is)
sanji singh boparai
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, John Sinclair wrote:
> On 11/17/96 04:05AM, in message
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.961116...@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>, sanji singh
> boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > By whose Law? Could you refrain from talking about Judiaism, as it is
> > one of the most unabashadly supremicist "religion" I can think of. I hope
> > God doesn't send any crickets to kill me becuase I spoke agianst the
> > Chosen People. The whole religion is so grating. But, it must be
> > comforting to think that the most powerful force has a special place in
> > his heart for those select few lucky enough to be born Jewish. Its not a
> > religion, its self-aggrandizement.
>
> Oy.
> You really *should* get a life, troll.
First of all, its not a troll. I have read sizable portions of the Old
Testament, and I think this is a very legitimate assessment of what I
read. Your out-of-hand dismissal seems very telling. If I am wrong, point
it out. If I am right, I understand your reaction, you can't face facts.
I would be over-joyed if you could prove to me that I'm wrong, since I
don't want to think of anyone being so harsh.
Sanji
sanji singh boparai
On 17 Nov 1996, Bob Stahley wrote:
> sanji singh boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> [crap I choose not to repeat]
>
> Take yourself and your sick jihad elsewhere.
>
I have no jihad. I am not a Muslim, either (if thats what you meant to
imply). I would love it if I were wrong. But, the fact is, what I wrote
is not crap. Those are facts. In the Old Testament, Ishmeal, the
founder of all Arabs, is the bastard son of Abraham, who "went into" his
slave Hagar apparently without her consent. This seems pretty offensive
to reasonable people, does it not? Again, how is what I say crap? Is it
not true?
I think its a dirty little secret about how offensive the Old
Testament can be to people who are not willing to swallow it whole.
Apparently, you want to keep it a secret.
P.S. I think that such discussion absolulty is appropriate for RMB,
since the Beatles, especially John and George dealt with meaningfull
issue all the time.
Sanji
sanji singh boparai
On 17 Nov 1996, gms wrote:
> > Take it to alt. rel hate.
I'm getting tired. I don't hate Judiaism. I am just pointed out things
that are true. I read the Bible with an open mind, and I was shocked with
what I read. I am not a Muslim, nor a Christian. My ancesstors have no
ancient hatred of Jews, they never knew them. I don't hate Jews, nor do I
want to kill them all. I am just commenting on a fact, that the religion
of Judaism, as reflected in the OT, is a religion based on a notion of
the Chosen People, who are prilivged by their birth as Jews.
Sanji
sanji singh boparai
On 18 Nov 1996 rasm...@aol.com wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961117...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>,
> sanji singh boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
> > I am just commenting on a fact, that the religion
> >of Judaism, as reflected in the OT, is a religion based on a notion of
> >the Chosen People, who are prilivged by their birth as Jews.
> >
> > Sanji
>
> Oh, but that is not AT ALL the way your original post was phrased. It was
> laden with hate, bile and venom. You denied that it was even a religion.
>
> The only thing I hate, is hate. Take your illness elsewhere.
>
> By the way, I am Episcopalian........... You, too? Thought so......
>
>
No, my original post did not have any hate, bile or venom. At least,
I was not laden with that when I read it. Perhaps you are ill. Yes, I
don't see Judiasm as a religion, since I believe that all true religions
have some inherent truth about God. Now, if I thought Judiaism was a
religion, I would have to accept that Judaism contained some inherent truth
about God. I cannot believe that God plays favorites for His Chosen, who
are comprised solely of those people born Jewish. Thus, I cannot accept
Judiams as a religion, by my personal definition
I really don't care that your an Episcopalian. Was that suppossed to
shock me? Does it shock you to learn that I'm not a Muslim? That my
religios tradition has no emnity toward Jews, in its entire history. I'm
just telling the thruth. Its not sick or vile or hateful, its the truth.
I'll probably get flooded again, but I will not shrink from the truth.
Sanji
Bob Stahley
Religious debate, _especially_ one that is introduced with such hateful,
mean-spirited words, has no business being posted to this newsgroup.
Take yourself elsewhere.
rasm...@aol.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961117...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>,
sanji singh boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
> First of all, its not a troll. I have read sizable portions of the Old
>Testament, and I think this is a very legitimate assessment of what I
>read. Your out-of-hand dismissal seems very telling. If I am wrong, point
>it out. If I am right, I understand your reaction, you can't face facts.
>I would be over-joyed if you could prove to me that I'm wrong, since I
>don't want to think of anyone being so harsh.
>
His point, among others, which is VERY well taken, is that it is
ludicrous and offensive to dismiss an entire religion out of hand.
There are words for people who do this, "scum" being the nicest one I
can think of, but I'm not, of course, directing THAT at you, because I'm
sure that you do know how to be a troll, and that you simply made your
statements to get a rise out of people. Maybe you search all newsgroups
for the word "jew", and then try to push hot buttons.
But no, of course you don't believe this treacle, you know how I can
tell. Because it would be impossible for you to be intellegent enough to
know how to access the internet, and at the same time to be brain-dead to
the point where you think the excrement you have peddled is true.
Have a keen, SUPER day.
rasm...@aol.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961117...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>,
sanji singh boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
Frederick W. Harrison
> : Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
> : "Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
> : It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
> : nights, anyway?"
>
> : :-)
>
>
> Twist And Schlep
> This Goy
> A Taste Of Matza
> Roll Over Maimonides
> I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
> Can't Buy Me Gefilte Fish
> I Don't Want To Spoil The Simcha
> Everybody's Trying To Be My Bubbe
> You've Got To Hide Your Schmaltz Away
> Day Nosher
> I've Just Seen A Shayneh Punim
> Eleanor Shickse
> And Your Bird Can Kvetch
> Tomorrow Couldn't Hurt
> Lucy In The Sky With Herring
> The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Berel
> Honey Cake
Frederick
Frederick W. Harrison
Brookline Booksmith wrote:
>
> I thought it was common knowledge that Paul wrote "Diyanu" and the Dreidel Song.
> --Carol Jude
I thought he just owned the copyright through MPL. :-)
Frederick
Frederick W. Harrison
rasm...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> And don't forget The ballad of Shlomo and Chaim and OY! Darling
How about Fixing a Mohel?
Frederick
Frederick W. Harrison
All You Need Is Lox!
Robert Fox
In <Pine.SOL.3.91.961117...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> sanji
singh boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
>
>
>On 17 Nov 1996, gms wrote:
>
>> > Take it to alt. rel hate.
>
>
> I'm getting tired. I don't hate Judiaism. I am just pointed out
things
>that are true. I read the Bible with an open mind, and I was shocked
with
>what I read. I am not a Muslim, nor a Christian. My ancesstors have no
>ancient hatred of Jews, they never knew them. I don't hate Jews, nor
do I
>want to kill them all. I am just commenting on a fact, that the
religion
>of Judaism, as reflected in the OT, is a religion based on a notion of
>the Chosen People, who are prilivged by their birth as Jews.
>
> Sanji
One cannot base his opinion on Judaism by just reading OT, as there is
a whole body of oral law (the Talmud) that interprets what you read in
OT. To say that the Jews are the Chosen People does not mean that Jews
are any better than anyone else. All it means is that God gave to Jews
his law (the Torah) and Jews are obligated to observe that law. Being
the Chosen people is more of an obligation (at least in the minds of
the Orthodox) than an award.
As for being racist, Judaism is certainly not racist. Anyone can
convert to Judaism and be totally accepted in the community.
Robert
Michael Shoshani
Frederick W. Harrison ("harr...@istar.ca"@istar.ca) wrote:
: How about Fixing a Mohel?
I actually thought of that but it got cut.
*wince* :)
saki
Danlika, he asked a valid question for a religious newsgroup.
This topic belongs in one of the religious newsgroups, talk.religion or
soc.culture.jewish...the latter would be *particularly* interesting to
introduce such a topic. :-)
>If you cannot answer that (on the other hand,
>who wants to have a religious debate on rmb)....
This is the point exactly.
There are Usenet discussion groups dedicated to religious debate and
investigation.
rec.music.beatles is not the place to debate the merits of one religion
over another.
On the chance that our debator is sincere, I've sent him a personal note
explaining this to him, as well as copied his postmaster on the
correspondence, in case this user is unclear about Usenet protocols
governed by his university. I've also sent a copy of the netiquette FAQ,
in the hopes that this will make things clear.
--
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John Sinclair
On 11/18/96 02:33AM, in message
<Pine.SOL.3.91.961117...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>, sanji singh
boparai <bop...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> First of all, its not a troll. I have read sizable portions of the Old
> Testament, and I think this is a very legitimate assessment of what I
> read. Your out-of-hand dismissal seems very telling. If I am wrong, point
> it out. If I am right, I understand your reaction, you can't face facts.
> I would be over-joyed if you could prove to me that I'm wrong, since I
> don't want to think of anyone being so harsh.
You know, I probably would prove you wrong if (and believe me - I have a lot to
say on the subject) you had substantiated your "facts" and stated your opinion
intellectually. Instead, you decided that Judaism is "one of the most
unabashedly supremacist 'religion'...the whole religion is so grating", and
used pointless sarcasm - "I hope God doesn't send any crickets to kill me
because I spoke against the Chosen People". Even when you gave an example to
substantiate your "facts" (Hagar and Abraham) it was twisted. You didn't even
provide a quote (and don't give an out-of-context quote now and ask my response
- I will not be dragged into it) In fact, you didn't really say anything. The
only purpose of your post was to stir things up and to attract attention, which
you obviously got (yes I realize this post is part of it, and it will be my
last post on the subject. The only reason it was posted was so that people
wouldn't think I don't say anything because I have nothing to say).
"...the most powerful force has a special place in his heart for those select
few lucky enough to be born Jewish."
Boy, you really know nothing, do you? If this doesn't prove your ignorance I
don't know what does.
As someone has said, even if it were an intellectual religious debate (rather
than a thread originated in a hateful troll) it would not belong in this
newsgroup (and the fact that John and George were interested in religion is
irrelevant - they also had hair, but it doesn't mean we should be discussing
shampoos here), and I apologize for this post. I hope you all understand why it
was posted.
biffy...@aol.com
shos...@wwa.com (Michael Shoshani) wrote:
>"Mocky" (yiddish from Hebrew 'makkah') is a plague or a physical blow.
>It is used colloquially to describe someone who is a general pain in the
>neck.
"Makkah"!!! NOW we know where Paulie got his nickname!
Thanks, Michael!
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}----
Visit me at http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
...And in the end, the lunch you take is equal to the lunch you bake.
J Botkin
sanji singh boparai wrote:
>
> On 17 Nov 1996, gms wrote:
>
> > > Take it to alt. rel hate.
>
> I'm getting tired. I don't hate Judiaism. I am just pointed out things
> that are true. I read the Bible with an open mind, and I was shocked with
> what I read. I am not a Muslim, nor a Christian. My ancesstors have no
> ancient hatred of Jews, they never knew them. I don't hate Jews, nor do I
> want to kill them all. I am just commenting on a fact, that the religion
> of Judaism, as reflected in the OT, is a religion based on a notion of
> the Chosen People, who are prilivged by their birth as Jews.
>
> Sanji
Yes the Old Testament was about God's chosen people, but He had a
reason for choosing other than that fact that He just liked the
Hebrews. It was God's plan that the Hebrews would be a "nation of
priests" and act as a go-between for God and the other nations of the
world. The whole point of choosing a people was so that the world could
look to them and hear about God and the coming Messiah.
If there are any more questions regarding this, I would be more than
happy to try and answer them. But please e-mail me directly and not add
to messages and threads that are somewhat inappropriate to this
newsgroup.
Brett Pasternack
Quoting dumes to All re: Paul is Jewish (was Re: Hey Jude: How Did Jews
React?)du>From: du...@hks.com (Bruce Dumes)
du>Subject: Paul is Jewish (was Re: Hey Jude: How Did Jews React?)
du>Mark Zutkoff (mzut...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
du>: On the other hand, does anybody think that Paul sings, "Get back, Jew
du>: instead of "Get back, Jo" in one of the "Get Back" outtakes (the one
du>: Glyn John's unreleased "Get Back" album)? (Obviously, it wasn't on
du>: purpose...)
du>: And at the end of the "Dig A Pony" outtake on A3, John says "Shlabat"
du>: or something like that; Paul evidently thinks it sounds like "Shabbat
du>: (Hebrew for "Sabbath") and adds "Shalom"! ("Shabbat Shalom" is a Jewi
du>: greeting on the Sabbath.)
du>Mark may have uncovered some evidence that has eluded some of the
du>great Beatle scholars -- Paul didn't die in 1967, he converted to
du>Judaism, and in doing so, won the heart of Linda Eastman, a nice
du>Jewish girl (my grandmother used to make me promise I'd marry one
du>of those...).
du>The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
du>Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
du>"Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
du>It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
du>nights, anyway?"
du>:-)
Ah! So all this time we thought the hands over Paul's head on Pepper and YS
symbolized death; now we know they symbolized that he should be wearing a
yarmulke! B^}
* Wave Rider 1.20 [NR] *
... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
Krishna Moorthy
>
> rec.music.beatles is not the place to debate the merits of one religion
> over another.
What's with people, discussing Paul's religion? This is no flame but
hey, the least folks can do is remember (often) that what binds us
together is the MUSIC.
Cheers,
krishna
Brett Pasternack
Quoting shoshani to All re: Re: Paul is Jewish (was Re: Hey Jude: How Did
Jews React?)sh>From: shos...@wwa.com (Michael Shoshani)
sh>Subject: Re: Paul is Jewish (was Re: Hey Jude: How Did Jews React?)
sh>Bruce Dumes (du...@hks.com) wrote:
sh>: The "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" is actually, "Paul is at
sh>: Hebrew School, miss him, miss him". "Cranbury Sauce" is actually
sh>: "Mazol Tov". "Number 9" backwards doesn't say "Turn me on, deadman".
sh>: It actually says, "So why *is* this night different from all other
sh>: nights, anyway?"
sh>: :-)
sh>Don't forget the song titles...
sh>Twist And Schlep
sh>This Goy
sh>A Taste Of Matza
sh>Roll Over Maimonides
sh>I'm Happy Just To Schmooze With You
sh>Can't Buy Me Gefilte Fish
sh>I Don't Want To Spoil The Simcha
sh>Everybody's Trying To Be My Bubbe
sh>You've Got To Hide Your Schmaltz Away
sh>Day Nosher
sh>I've Just Seen A Shayneh Punim
sh>Eleanor Shickse
sh>And Your Bird Can Kvetch
sh>Tomorrow Couldn't Hurt
sh>Lucy In The Sky With Herring
sh>The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Berel
sh>Honey Cake
Happiness Is A Warm Bagel
Latke Get You Into My Life
I Want To Tel Aviv You
Shalom Shalom {"I don't know why you say shalom, I say shalom..."}
I'm A Nebbish
You've Got To Hide Your Pork Away
Gelt (That's What I Want)
Don't Pass Me Over
Everywhere It's Hannakuh
Do You Want To Do A Mitzvah
Nowhere Mensh
I Am The Walrus ("Listen to him with the fancy walrus talk! Being a
Finkelstein isn't good enough for you, you have to be a walrus now? Oy,
gevalt!" cried mama Esther)
Pardon me for getting this silly! And being of Jewish extraction myself, I
assure everyone that no offense is intended. There really IS a little bit
of "Hava Nagila" on one of the Get Back boots...
Nothing Israel....
Allan Kozinn
Brett Pasternack wrote:
>
> Ah! So all this time we thought the hands over Paul's head on Pepper and YS
> symbolized death; now we know they symbolized that he should be wearing a
> yarmulke! B^}
>
got the hand-thing quite right. The fact that he's doing it over Paul's
head, of course, supports Bruce's theory.
--
--- Allan Kozinn
<koz...@aol.com>
<all...@mail.idt.net>
ser...@netvision.net.il
On 11/20/96 06:55AM, in message <38f_961...@cjbbs.com>, Brett Pasternack
<br...@cjbbs.com> wrote:
> Everywhere It's Hannakuh
Hannuka. :-) (I refuse to put an 'h' after the 'a')
>
>
> Pardon me for getting this silly! And being of Jewish extraction myself, I
> assure everyone that no offense is intended.
It was funny, actually. :-)
Ava Rosenblum
Speaking of--anybody know if the mcCartney household celebrates any of the
jewish holidays?
Winky96720
I highly doubt that Paul is Jewish seeing that his mother quote,"was a
good Catholic girl".
David Goodwin
winky...@aol.com (Winky96720) wrote:
>I highly doubt that Paul is Jewish seeing that his mother quote,"was a
>good Catholic girl".
<David resorts to his old argument to try and make himself comfortable
with the absense of his religion in his idols>
AHA!!! But, by Jewish law, if Linda doesn't convert from Judaism, her
children are Jewish! YESYESYESYESYESYYES <David realizes that this is
VERY inappropriate>. And to think I JUST learned that in Hebrew
School...:)
David
PJRBeatle1
BEATLES BELONG TO EVERYONE.
Peter
dale cooper
pjrbe...@aol.com (PJRBeatle1) wrote:
>BEATLES BELONG TO EVERYONE.
>Peter
No they're mine! :-)
-Henry Stewart
vmedra...@gmail.com
P-Dub
> Paul once (or twice :-)) said he was concerned about using "Hey Jude"
> because "Jude" is also German for "Jew". Did any Jewish leaders comment
> on the song at the time? I've also read that "Blackbird" was construed by
> some at the time to be an encouragement for the black movement. Of
> course, in 1968 when revolution replaced all you need is love anything the
> Beatles wrote could be given some sort of political interpretation. 1968
> was a horrible year and it is not surprising that the White Album is the
> glum album it is. Indeed, aside from the artistic, personal, and
> financial problems that finally broke up the Beatles, I wonder if there
> was any political friction within the group. It seems clear that Paul,
> George, and Ringo had no problem with "Revolution" as long as it was
> played faster, but how did they feel about John's radical inclinations
> (even if they were, in hindsight, rather shallow) both during the Beatles
> (the bed-in, give peace a chance, etc.) and after the Beatles?
>
> Oops, I've gotten away from my original question! Sorry, I'll stop now.
>
> Fred
I heard that a bunch of little girls were disturbed by 'Run For Your Life' too.
Those bastards....
P-Dub
> of "Hava Nagila" on one of the Get Back boots...
>
> Nothing Israel....
>
>
>
> * Wave Rider 1.20 [NR] *
> ... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
Nooffa Subject
Inyo
news:76105cf7-2176-453d...@googlegroups.com...
>> sh>Eleanor Shickse
Gotta admit--that's pretty clever, rather humorous. The rest...not so
much...
http://inyo.coffeecup.com/site/acoustic/acousticinyo9.html
My solo, acoustic, instrumental 6-string guitar version of the
Lennon-McCartney composition, "There's A Deli"--uh, I mean "There's A Place"
(grin). Recorded January 23, 2003. #74 US Billboard for The Beatles, as
B-side to #2 US Billboard "Twist And Shout," 1964.