What does paper cup mean?
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an endless rain into the paper cup".What does the paper cup signify in
this song?
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>this song?
I never actually thought about it before (my favorite lyric in the song is his
use if the word "meander") but imagine a paper cup and endless rain flowing
into it - it would become soft and mushy and fall apart. The bottom would
probably drop right off, a little round piece of paper with orug edges. The
water/rain would just flow through - but perhaps through a kind of channel or
conduit created by the cup itself. Words flowing like that - so much to say.
I've probably gone too far here, but hey, it beats getting to the work I have
to do today.
I remember when I first heard that song I didn't know what "meander" meant so I
looked it up in the dictionary. "What a useful word", I thought - especially
when describing thoughts. After that, whenever I heard the word I thought of
the Beatles and that song. When I heard the word meander used to describe
patterns in nature - called "meanders" I was especially pleased with the Beatle
connection.
Just another example of how they've enriched my life.
Sorry to have gotten off the topic - but, hey, words are flowing and thoughts
meander!
Fatpidgeon
>this song?
In his Playboy interview, John said even he didn't know exactly what this song
was about -- it's one of the songs that just came to him all at once. But I've
always thought that the paper cup refers to the mind/brain. I'm not an expert
on this but one of the major goals of meditation is to clear one's mind of the
endless babble of thoughts that constantly clutter it...
presumably, once you turn off the damn noise, you can start to tune in to some
of the other vibrations going on in there (or out there). Thus, the imagery of
the wind inside a letter box and rain into a paper cup. But there seems to be
something else going on in the song as well... some idea that our thoughts
don't just stay inside our heads but also radiate outwards, across the
universe. Maybe someone else who knows more about this stuff can provide
further explanation. Is there anyone out there who has actually taken a course
in TM?
Chris Jepson
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Nowhere Man
>
> >In beatles song "Across The Universe " he sings "Words are flowing like
> >an endless rain into the paper cup".What does the paper cup signify in
> >this song
>
lol
Tammy Loney
you guys.....
Tammy
Camatelfoo
S.E. Ostrow
TM. Yes, and I've been meditating for years. And I don't know what the paper
cup thing is about either ("Cup made of paper"--hee hee!). I don't remember
Maharishi addressing that particular thing in the videos we saw on retreats.
I think the whole song is about the experience of meditation and the
particular images aren't literal.
Jai Guru Dev,
TeddyO
Ric Napoli
> >In beatles song "Across The Universe " he sings "Words are flowing like
> >an endless rain into the paper cup".What does the paper cup signify in
> >this song?
>
> In his Playboy interview, John said even he didn't know exactly what this song
> was about -- it's one of the songs that just came to him all at once. But I've
> always thought that the paper cup refers to the mind/brain. I'm not an expert
> on this but one of the major goals of meditation is to clear one's mind of the
> endless babble of thoughts that constantly clutter it...
> presumably, once you turn off the damn noise, you can start to tune in to some
> of the other vibrations going on in there (or out there). Thus, the imagery of
> the wind inside a letter box and rain into a paper cup. But there seems to be
> something else going on in the song as well... some idea that our thoughts
> don't just stay inside our heads but also radiate outwards, across the
> universe. Maybe someone else who knows more about this stuff can provide
> further explanation. Is there anyone out there who has actually taken a course
> in TM?
>
> Chris Jepson
I've never studied TM, but I used to attend the Self Realization Fellowship
temple here in Phoenix (it's founder, Paramahansa Yogananda, and a few
of his guru friends can be seen peeking out from the crowd on the Pepper
cover). "Across The Universe" seems to address a lot of the same principles
discussed at the SRF temple -- stilling the mind (picture God consciousness
as the moon, ever present, but reflected in the choppy waters of a lake. Still
the lake and you see a perfect image of the moon), the distraction of
overwhelming emotion ("Pools of sorrow/waves of joy..."), centering one's
self in communion with God ("Nothing's gonna change my world") and the
ultimate goal of meditation (which is not to "power think" a new BMW for
yourself): "Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns."
It's odd that Lennon said he didn't know exactly what it meant. For this listener
it's always been one of Lennon's most fully realized creations; not a word is
wasted.
For me it seems a perfect description of the difficulties encountered in
trying to quiet yourself in meditation.
One of John's best.
Rknhrpr
what ATU was about. i even thought he wrote alot of it in india, but from the
playboy interview someone posted i guess that's not correct - but lennon's
memory was sometimes fuzzy.in that same interview he said "Cry Baby Cry" was
Paul's - certainly not one of his. That, of course, is incorrect. I've read
that was such a horrible session geoff emerick quit and perhaps lennon buried
the thought. according to mccartney the whole "maharishi trying to screw mia
farrow" was probably contrived by "magic alex"... and so ol' truth sayer john
put the whole thing down publicly. i was very embarrassed at his behavior on
the tonight show in '68- and I was only 15!. I remember Tallulah Bankhead was
on, very drunk or overly-medicated, and lennon constantly grabbing cigaretttes
out of the box on the desk.bubbles were bursting. didn't seem to have good
manners, or something, compared to paul. i wish lennon could have learned to
keep his mouth shut. look up the tm page on the web if you'd like to learn more
about it. it's very different than other types of meditation because it mainly
promotes "relaxation" instead of spiritual awareness (your eyes should be
closed) - but maharishi aimed this technique at westerners - somewhat like that
guy in china who's been declared illegal. in tm yer given a mantra and you
silently chant or sing or visualize it til the mind wanders away from it - then
you go back to the mantra as soon as you realise this is happening."thoughts
meander..." i'm putting it simply, here... it really is amazing how fast you
can lower your heart rate. i think "across the universe" is about tm...and are
some of his best lyrics. seems "no one's gonna change my world" is a maharishi
line, as was "come on, it's such a joy". maybe john just didn't want to fess up
when questioned. he liked to project blame upon others whenever possible... as
much as i love his music, i would have loved to tell him what a s--t he
sometimes was. i "met him" at the gramercy park hotel bar in nyc in '77 when i
was playing bass w/ a guy named billy swan.wimpy handshake, etc. said the wife
was driving him nuts and just ran into the bar for a quick drink.he did not
have her with him, believe it or not.i don't remember a limo, either. i was too
much in awe to say anything, but the other guys did exactly what was expected:
o yer great great great etc. then again, they were already drunk, too... i
didn't usually drink tho i did choke down a pernod.billy was buying. gosh, come
to think of it, john didn't have many everyday friends, did he?
strikes me as sad, somehow.
this is my take on it, please, no flames.
Rknhrpr
is there ANY authority to turn him in to?
and re such a nice subject, too!
thanx, tammy...
Tammy Loney
virus not to long ago. What happens is, you get a message with the
Happy99.exe file attached. It's a stupid little graphic of fireworks going
off. As your watching it, you're becoming infected. Then, everytime you
e-mail someone or post to a newsgroup, it sends a copy of itself in a new
message. So, they probably don't know that they have it and have sent it.
The odd thing about this virus is the fact that it keeps a list of who it
has sent itself to, and it will never send itself there again. By the way,
if anyone has opened this file, e-mail me and I will tell you how to get rid
of it.
Tammy (the computer geek)
Deirdre
> Actually, this person probably doesn't even know he has it. I had this
> virus not to long ago. What happens is, you get a message with the
> Happy99.exe file attached. It's a stupid little graphic of fireworks going
> off. As your watching it, you're becoming infected. Then, everytime you
> e-mail someone or post to a newsgroup, it sends a copy of itself in a new
> message. So, they probably don't know that they have it and have sent it.
Tammy, you seem so nice. He knew he had it. Did you notice it wasn't
even sent as an attachment? He had to extract it and send it in the form
that he did. And, coincidentally, when I wrote him back immediately
after, his address had been "discarded."
Dee
Richard Watkinson
camat...@aol.com (Camatelfoo) wrote:
>
> >In beatles song "Across The Universe " he sings "Words are flowing like
> >an endless rain into the paper cup".What does the paper cup signify in
>
>
> Uh, a cup made of paper?
>
You are all way off mark!! And it's SO OBVIOUS. Endless Rain..
Now think again and the paper cup is irrelevant.
As for 'thoughts meander' well yes meander is a lovely English word often
associated with the way streams and rivers make their way across the
countryside. But here we are talking Scouse or Liverpudlian and what we
really should be hearing is "Me and Her"
So if you now think about 'images of broken light..' this is simply a
reference to John's eyesight.
Fit this to the subsequent lines and it all falls into place.
--
Richard
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i didnt know I had it. I never noticed till i saw my post. I think i have
it removed from my cpu now. Sorry for any inconvinence this has caused.
A
Deirdre wrote in message ...
Tammy Loney
Search your hard-drive for any *.ska files. I don't remember the exact name
of the file, but you can open it in a text file and see who you sent it to.
I would tell you if you still have it, but I don't know, cause it only sends
itself once to whoever you correspond with.
Tammy
chocolate jesus......
Rknhrpr <rkn...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> how do we get this bastard?
you been TMing 25 years and you learnt nothing?
LOL
Richard Watkinson
we will never really know. One thing for sure is that Lennon did not suffer
fools gladly - and unfortunately (or not) he was as gullible and emotional
as most of us and this often resulted in unfortunate remarks.
You need to look at the whole man, which in the case of Lennon is full of
complexities not the least being the death of his mum... Then Cynthia and
Julian - an enforced well kept secret to start with.
Paul knows it all and lets it out bit by bit with rarely a bad word. They
never did and never could totally fall out as there was too much mutual love
and respect between them despite the corporate disagreements.
As for everyday friends, did the other three have that many?
ald...@my-deja.com
the concept of a paper cup has benn used by many bands after
beatles.The recent one which i can remember is by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
new song "The Other Side" where he says "Pour my life in a paper cup"
I'm sure there's somethin related to paper cup which is what i wante
dto know
anyway thanx
alduous
paramucho
> the concept of a paper cup has benn used by many bands after
>beatles.The recent one which i can remember is by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
>new song "The Other Side" where he says "Pour my life in a paper cup"
> I'm sure there's somethin related to paper cup which is what i wante
>dto know
The 'empty cup' has estoric significance, as in the spiritual teacher
telling novice, "how can I fill your cup if your cup is already full",
which would seem to mean that the novice should empty his or
her mind of other knowledge.
The cup, or mug, is a classic femine "receiving" object in that
sense.
A "paper cup" can be seen as a ephemeral form of the cup.
That's how I comprehend Lennon's text, in a vague, fuzzy
kind of way.
--
ian
Deirdre
words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup
"...like endless rain into a paper cup"
a cup fasioned from paper could never begin to contain endless rain....
paramucho
The paper cup has to be endless too. It's another vortex, as in the
"void" of "Tommorow Never Knows". Very much the space of LSD
and meditation. Timeless and all that.
Just think, if the right people had won the sixties revolution we'd all
be getting this with our corn-flakes in the morning :-)
--
ian
Eramon1
>> "...like endless rain into a paper cup"
>>
>>a cup fasioned from paper could never begin to contain endless rain....
>
>The paper cup has to be endless too. It's another vortex, as in the
>"void" of "Tommorow Never Knows"
it sounds good too
paramucho
>
>> >i'm sure paper cup means more than a cup made of paper
>> > the concept of a paper cup has benn used by many bands after
>> >beatles.The recent one which i can remember is by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
>> >new song "The Other Side" where he says "Pour my life in a paper cup"
>> > I'm sure there's somethin related to paper cup which is what i wante
>> >dto know
>>
>> The 'empty cup' has estoric significance, as in the spiritual teacher
>> telling novice, "how can I fill your cup if your cup is already full",
>> which would seem to mean that the novice should empty his or
>> her mind of other knowledge.
>>
>> The cup, or mug, is a classic femine "receiving" object in that
>> sense.
>>
>> A "paper cup" can be seen as a ephemeral form of the cup.
>>
>> That's how I comprehend Lennon's text, in a vague, fuzzy
>> kind of way.
>>
>
> "...like endless rain into a paper cup"
>
>a cup fasioned from paper could never begin to contain endless rain....
>
Here's another:
And when thyself with shining foot shall pass
among the guests, star-scattered on the grass
and in thy joyous errand reach the spot where I made one
turn down an empty glass
Where "glass" means "cup"
The whole thing is rather trippy. Oman Khayyam.
BTW: the "thyself" in this poem refers to the "pourer of
wine", who is none other than Saki by name.
--
ian
Ric Napoli
> >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, paramucho wrote:
> >
> >> >i'm sure paper cup means more than a cup made of paper
> >> > the concept of a paper cup has benn used by many bands after
> >> >beatles.The recent one which i can remember is by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
> >> >new song "The Other Side" where he says "Pour my life in a paper cup"
> >> > I'm sure there's somethin related to paper cup which is what i wante
> >> >dto know
> >>
> >> The 'empty cup' has estoric significance, as in the spiritual teacher
> >> telling novice, "how can I fill your cup if your cup is already full",
> >> which would seem to mean that the novice should empty his or
> >> her mind of other knowledge.
> >>
> >> The cup, or mug, is a classic femine "receiving" object in that
> >> sense.
> >>
> >> A "paper cup" can be seen as a ephemeral form of the cup.
> >>
> >> That's how I comprehend Lennon's text, in a vague, fuzzy
> >> kind of way.
> >>
> >words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup
> >
> > "...like endless rain into a paper cup"
> >
> >a cup fasioned from paper could never begin to contain endless rain....
>
> The paper cup has to be endless too. It's another vortex, as in the
> "void" of "Tommorow Never Knows". Very much the space of LSD
> and meditation. Timeless and all that.
>
> Just think, if the right people had won the sixties revolution we'd all
> be getting this with our corn-flakes in the morning :-)
>
> --
> ian
Paper cups?
I'll have mine in a bowl, thanks...
SedatedApe
Unless John explained it in a interview I haven't read, i think you're
looking way deeper than you need to. It's a good image and analogy.
What it means in the context of the song, I think, is that he has so
many ideas in his head that's he's never going to be able to articulate
them all.
(for a month i worked at the Solo cup factory, where most of the paper
cups. That has nothing to do with anything though.)
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