Which Beatles songs were never owned by Michael Jackson?
Richard Fangnail
LookingGlass
wrote:
>
> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
I don't recall the details, but I remember reading here at RMB about a
woman in Australia owning the rights to PENNY LANE. Yes?
AllaBest
No.
He did not own George or Ringo's songs.
RichL
> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp
"The four songs issued on the Beatles' first two singles -- "Love Me
Do"/P.S. I Love You" and "Please Please Me"/"Ask Me Why" were not part
of the [Northern Songs] package since they were published before the
formation of Northern Songs, and the rights to these songs are now
controlled by McCartney's MPL Communications.
"ATV [the Sony-Jackson partnership] also did not own the rights to
George Harrison songs published after Harrison's songwriting contract
with Northern Songs expired in 1968, but they did hold the rights to
various other Lennon-McCartney songs not recorded by the Beatles."
RichL
Actually, the Sony-Jackson partnership owned rights to George's songs
written prior to 1968 (when he was under contract to Northern Songs).
See the link I posted elsewhere in this thread. I suspect that "What
Goes On" (written as a group effort including Ringo) is covered by this
arrangement. "Don't Pass Me By" and "Octopus's Garden" are probably not
although I can't swear by it.
Crisstti
Really?, solo songs?, do you know which ones?.
RichL
No, I think they mean songs written by Lennon and McCartney but
performed by other people. Like "World Without Love" by Peter and
Gordon.
LookingGlass
http://tinyurl.com/o5fnul Eighth paragraph down...
"Michael Jackson had out-bid Paul McCartney after Sir tried to buy
back the rights to 259 songs, now controlled by Sony/ATV. Only five
Lennon/McCartney songs weren't included in the Sony/ATV holding: Love
Me Do, P.S. I Love You, Please Please Me, Ask Me Why and Penny Lane.
Jackson, by the way, sold the right to give permission a while ago,
though he benefits from royalties."
I don't know how reliable this information is.
LookingGlass
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> http://tinyurl.com/o5fnul Eighth paragraph down...
>
> "Michael Jackson had out-bid Paul McCartney after Sir tried to buy
> back the rights to 259 songs, now controlled by Sony/ATV. Only five
> Lennon/McCartney songs weren't included in the Sony/ATV holding: Love
> Me Do, P.S. I Love You, Please Please Me, Ask Me Why and Penny Lane.
> Jackson, by the way, sold the right to give permission a while ago,
> though he benefits from royalties."
>
> I don't know how reliable this information is.
I wonder why Penny Lane is included in this list?
Fount
"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9C36CB6...@188.40.43.213...
The Australian mining millionaire (now deceased) Robert Holmes a Court owned
the Beatles catalogue at one time. When he sold it he kept Penny Lane
because his daughter liked the song. The Holmes A Courts I think still own
it.
Crisstti
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> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
Oh, of course :).
Crisstti
> On 26 Jun 2009, LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote in
I wondered the same...
Stephen X. Carter
>On Jun 26, 3:09=A0pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
>
>
>
>
>I don't recall the details, but I remember reading here at RMB about a
>woman in Australia owning the rights to PENNY LANE. Yes?
Yes. See another response in this thread.
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Stephen X. Carter
>Richard Fangnail <richard...@excite.com> wrote:
>> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
>
>http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp
>
>
>"The four songs issued on the Beatles' first two singles -- "Love Me
>Do"/P.S. I Love You" and "Please Please Me"/"Ask Me Why" were not part
>of the [Northern Songs] package since they were published before the
>formation of Northern Songs, and the rights to these songs are now
>controlled by McCartney's MPL Communications.
Blimey! Snopes wrong about something. See another response of mine in this thread.
Stephen X. Carter
>On Jun 26, 3:09=A0pm, Richard Fangnail <richardfangn...@excite.com>
>wrote:
>> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
>
>
>
>
>http://tinyurl.com/o5fnul Eighth paragraph down...
>
>"Michael Jackson had out-bid Paul McCartney after Sir tried to buy
>back the rights to 259 songs, now controlled by Sony/ATV. Only five
>Lennon/McCartney songs weren't included in the Sony/ATV holding: Love
>Me Do, P.S. I Love You, Please Please Me, Ask Me Why and Penny Lane.
>Jackson, by the way, sold the right to give permission a while ago,
>though he benefits from royalties."
About Penny Lane.
Yes, as far as I can determine "Penny Lane" was excluded from the deal when Rupert Holmes A
Court sold his ownership to Jackson.
The story is that he retained it and gave it to his daughter (who is not called Penny by the
way!).
Here's what I posted a in January 2008
==========start
To the best of my understanding, one of the organisations in the USA looking after music
copyright is the Music Publishers' Association.
Their web site:
<http://www.mpa.org/copyright_resource_center/copyright_search>
has a link to an ASCAP database search. (ASCAP = American Society of Composers, Authors and
Publishers).
<http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300>
A search there for "All You Need is Love" - chosen as an example of a song title that isn't
within this discussion - ie a "control" shows that the copyright is controlled by
SONY/ATV TUNES LLC/BEATLES
ATTN: ADMINISTRATION
8 MUSIC SQUARE WEST
NASHVILLE, TN, 37203
Tel. (615) 743-1779
And a search for "Penny Lane" gives..
SONY/ATV TUNES LLC/BEATLES
ATTN: ADMINISTRATION
8 MUSIC SQUARE WEST
NASHVILLE, TN, 37203
Tel. (615) 743-1779
This, without and doubt at all, hugely undermines the case I have been making.
Guess I'll have to go off and find a member of the Holmes A'Court family to interrogate. :-))
==========end
This deal happened in Perth, Australia - which is quite a small place really, so I wrote to
Rupert's widow (the truly remarkable Janet - and that's a genuine comment).
She replied by return more or less confirming the story and passing my letter on to her daughter
- from whom I never heard.
Fattuchus
wrote:
> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
Yes, there are a couple of very early ones which Paul owns. Also, I
believe Jackson owns the Lennon/McCartney catalogue . . . . not
Harrison or Starkey songs.
LookingGlass
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I knew I had read that thread about PL ownership here at RMB.
However we still don't know for sure if PENNY LANE is really owned by
the daughter or by Jackson/Sony. But we do know that the four early
songs are not in the catalog. (Who owns them?) It is a puzzlement.
Stephen X. Carter
>On Jun 26, 9:05=A0pm, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen X. Carter) wrote:
>> She replied by return more or less confirming the story and passing my letter on to her daughter
>> - from whom I never heard.
>
>I knew I had read that thread about PL ownership here at RMB.
>
>However we still don't know for sure if PENNY LANE is really owned by
>the daughter or by Jackson/Sony. But we do know that the four early
>songs are not in the catalog. (Who owns them?) It is a puzzlement.
Um, unless daughter has recently sold the rights to someone, I'd read an early 2008 confirmation
from her mother, the widow of the bloke who owned them and sold them to Jackson, as pretty
decent confirmation.
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LookingGlass
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:17:58 -0700 (PDT), LookingGlass <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 26, 9:05=A0pm, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen X. Carter) wrote:
>
> >> She replied by return more or less confirming the story and passing my letter on to her daughter
> >> - from whom I never heard.
>
> >I knew I had read that thread about PL ownership here at RMB.
>
> >However we still don't know for sure if PENNY LANE is really owned by
> >the daughter or by Jackson/Sony. But we do know that the four early
> >songs are not in the catalog. (Who owns them?) It is a puzzlement.
>
> Um, unless daughter has recently sold the rights to someone, I'd read an early 2008 confirmation
> from her mother, the widow of the bloke who owned them and sold them to Jackson, as pretty
> decent confirmation.
>
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Thank you Sir. I will accept that until a rebuttal comes along.
RichL
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:42:21 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Richard Fangnail <richard...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp
>>
>>
>> "The four songs issued on the Beatles' first two singles -- "Love Me
>> Do"/P.S. I Love You" and "Please Please Me"/"Ask Me Why" were not
>> part of the [Northern Songs] package since they were published
>> before the formation of Northern Songs, and the rights to these
>> songs are now controlled by McCartney's MPL Communications.
>
> Blimey! Snopes wrong about something. See another response of mine
> in this thread.
Stephen -
I re-read all your posts in this thread, and I must be missing
something. Can you clarify what it is that you believe contradicts the
Snopes description? Thanks!
globular
If I'm not mistaken it's because they were once owned to some extent by
Holmes a Court (in Western Australia?), he asked his daughter or someone
what song they wanted and they said Penny Lane, and this person owns it.
Could probably find out more with an internet search.
Stephen X. Carter
Amazing. Or reading postings here no less! :-)
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Stephen X. Carter
It's a sin of omission. The Snopes article mentions the four "early" songs that are excluded
from the ATV deal, but omits the special treatment of Penny Lane.
RichL
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:27:31 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Stephen X. Carter <steve@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:42:21 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Richard Fangnail <richard...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know but possibly the ones from 1962.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The four songs issued on the Beatles' first two singles -- "Love
>>>> Me Do"/P.S. I Love You" and "Please Please Me"/"Ask Me Why" were
>>>> not part of the [Northern Songs] package since they were published
>>>> before the formation of Northern Songs, and the rights to these
>>>> songs are now controlled by McCartney's MPL Communications.
>>>
>>> Blimey! Snopes wrong about something. See another response of
>>> mine in this thread.
>>
>> Stephen -
>>
>> I re-read all your posts in this thread, and I must be missing
>> something. Can you clarify what it is that you believe contradicts
>> the Snopes description? Thanks!
>
> It's a sin of omission. The Snopes article mentions the four "early"
> songs that are excluded from the ATV deal, but omits the special
> treatment of Penny Lane.
Still puzzled (sorry, it's the weekend).
Your ASCAP search revealed the same info on "Penny Lane" as for another
randomly selected Beatles song ("All You Need Is Love"). I inferred
from that that Penny Lane in actuality doesn't currently have "special
treatment"; it's part of the SONY/ATV catalogue. Where am I going
wrong??
Stephen X. Carter
You're not. :-)
Yes, it's a mystery that I was trying to resolve as to why as far as ASCAP is concerned Penny
Lane is not specially treated.
In an attempt to get to the horse's mouth I decided to contact Holmes A'Court (with whom to my
amazement I discover I have 2 mutual connections).
Her reply DID confirm the essence of the story, but didn't clear up the ASCAP accounting issue.
(I was rather hoping that I was tipping them off to a long time ASCAP scam and that I'd get a
vast reward as a result.... :-(