The one thing I have *never* read was that one of the soloists was
Clapton which, to my ears, is quite obvious. The phrasing of the last
guitar part in the solo, particularly the piercing "slurred" last note,
is certainly Clapton.
Comments? Hands please. Anyone?
Clapton played on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." He does not appear on
"Abbey Road," anywhere. Harrison was very influenced by Clapton, as was
most of rock's lead guitarists at the time.
--
TH
"Let me explain something to you Walsh...this business takes a certain
amount of finesse." -"Chinatown"
Why on earth wouldn't you believe it was Paul? Paul is an excellent
guitar soloist -- besides "The End", there's "Taxman" and "Momma Miss
America" and "Maybe I'm Amazed" and a lot of the work on the "Band on the
Run" album, to name just a few of the more obvious examples.
And besides, the solo on "The End" sounds *nothing* like Clapton.
d. wrote in message ...
Wow,
You fellows are incredible. There haven't even been rumours about
this but the two of you managed to figure it out all by yourselves,
something absolutely nobody has been able to do in nearly 30 years.
Congratulations. Your both geniuses. I'm humbled just to be in the
same thread with you both.
db
db
Slogans <slo...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<3505614E...@pacbell.net>...
> I've read a lot about who played the guitar solos at the end of "Carry
> that Weight," but don't remember any being authoritative. I've seen
> everything from it being Paul and George, to Paul, John and George, to
> Hendrix somehow being involved!
>
> The one thing I have *never* read was that one of the soloists was
> Clapton which, to my ears, is quite obvious. The phrasing of the last
> guitar part in the solo, particularly the piercing "slurred" last note,
> is certainly Clapton.
>
> Comments? Hands please. Anyone?
>
I always thought it was clapton as well. George, Eric and John in that
order. Never thought or heard any different until I read the liner notes to
Anthology 3. Still don't belive it was Paul.
Alex
The one thing I have *never* read was that one of the soloists was
Clapton which, to my ears, is quite obvious. The phrasing of the last
guitar part in the solo, particularly the piercing "slurred" last note,
is certainly Clapton.
Comments? Hands please. Anyone?>>>
In the lyric book for Anthology 3, it says that the 3 Beatles (John, Paul,
George) took turn playing 2 bars of guitar solo, for about 1:30. Nobody else
was on Abbey Road other than the Beatles, right?
Slogans <slo...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<3505614E...@pacbell.net>...
> I've read a lot about who played the guitar solos at the end of "Carry
> that Weight," but don't remember any being authoritative. I've seen
> everything from it being Paul and George, to Paul, John and George, to
> Hendrix somehow being involved!
>
> The one thing I have *never* read was that one of the soloists was
> Clapton which, to my ears, is quite obvious. The phrasing of the last
> guitar part in the solo, particularly the piercing "slurred" last note,
> is certainly Clapton.
>
> Comments? Hands please. Anyone?
Wasn't Mark Knofler involved too????
Stop this "assuming". Studio documentation shows that only Paul, John and
George played the solo.
Jens
I guess you'll have to send $20 to a whole
hell of a lot of us. It's been well
established for a very long time that
the guitars are Paul, George, and John
in that order.
Jon
> Wasn't Mark Knofler involved too????
> Stop this "assuming". Studio documentation shows that only Paul, John and
> George played the solo.
I think that Bing Crosby sang lead vocal on "Oh Darling" too...that couldn't
be Paul singing that!
-Rob-
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Of course, you're right, it wasn't the Beatles; it was Elvis, the Pope,
and that guy who plays the pan flute! Clapton? Hendrix? Nonsense.
troll? perhaps...
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Darren
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>Of course, you're right, it wasn't the Beatles; it was Elvis, the Pope,
and that guy who plays the pan flute!
I think you would be refering to Zamphir (sp?) ***master ** of the Pan Flute.
(man I watched too much tv wen I was young. 8^)
Christopher
3/11/98
ps: Don't ask me how I remembered that.
Paul
George
Paul
John
Paul
George
John
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rights..."
Simple question: Did the three of them (Paul, George, and John -- not Eric, Jimi and
the Pope!) sit around in a circle at the same time, *literally* trading off, of did they
each do their small bit separately and then have them spliced together?
Ah, to have been an eyewitness if it was the former rather than the latter ...
Jon
It was all overdubbed by Bernard Purdie.
Mike
>Okay--*I* played the solos. Paul gave me $20 U.S. to keep quiet about
>it, but I didn't promise.
>
No! That's a LIE! *I* played the solos with the drums; they were later
distorted to sound like guitars. Glyn Johns instructed me to do this,
and made me sign an oath of secrecy. Being twenty+ years, though, I
guess I don't have to listen to it!
Bernard Purdie
>It's been well
>established for a very long time that
>the guitars are Paul, George, and John
>in that order.
i thought that was for "The End", not "Carry that Weight"
> jsundboe <jsun...@online.no> wrote:
>
> > Wasn't Mark Knofler involved too????
> > Stop this "assuming". Studio documentation shows that only Paul, John and
> > George played the solo.
>
> I think that Bing Crosby sang lead vocal on "Oh Darling" too...that couldn't
> be Paul singing that!
And then of course, there's Richard Clayderman, who played the piano on
"Lady Madonna." Paul liked his work so much he had him back in later to
do "Maybe I'm Amazed"...
--huzzlewhat--
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that which is not in it."
MHHedgeco wrote in message
<19980312022...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>The only outside musicians
>that were ever publicly credited on a Beatles lp were Mal "Organ" Evans,
>George Martin and Billy Preston.>>>
>
>And the only people other than these listed who played on a Beatles album
>(string arrangement don't count...) are Andy White (session drummer for
Love me
>do) and Nicky Hopkins who played on Revolution. And of course Clapton on
>WMGGW....
and Alan Civil, and the musicians on Within You, Without You and The Inner
Light.
And please, learn the difference between "your" and you're."
> it is so obviously clapton playing.
> absolutely no doubt. george doesn't have
> those chops.
> i'll bet $20 us on it.
You'd be $20 poorer! <g>
DC
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"Hey, Bee-atle - we shall have fun, eh?"
(delete the xx from my return address for replies.....)
Uh, you missed a few.
Paul
George
John
Paul
George
John
Paul
George
John
What *I'd* like to know is if they were recorded at the same time. I
always dream that they were...
>I always thought that it was George, John , then Paul. Can you guys verify
>that it was Paul, George, then John? And then...... It's not a perfect
>switchoff, is it? My ears tell me it would be:
>
>Paul
>George
>Paul
>John
>Paul
>George
>John
>
>
Paul, George, John. In that order, three times each. Each turn is two
bars (8 counts). Paul's solos are competant and workmanlike, nothing
to write home about. George's solos soar, and are among his best
ever, especially the first and third. John appears to avoid musical
lines altogether, opting to base his solos around aggressive, earthy
rhythmic chops.
Bob
I give in!
I was just impressed that someone else felt that George's solo was very
"clapton like". I always found it hard to beleive that the same musician
that struggled with solo's (as evidenced by outakes readily available on
bootleg - the struggle has often been discussed in this newsgroup) was
capable of sounding as fluid as he does on "The End".
Also - The Beatles did not publicly own up to Clapton's prescence on "While
my Guitar..." until a year after their breakup. The only outside musicians
that were ever publicly credited on a Beatles lp were Mal "Organ" Evans,
George Martin and Billy Preston.
Alex
I guess you'll have to send $20 to a whole
hell of a lot of us. It's been well
established for a very long time that
the guitars are Paul, George, and John
in that order.
>>>
I'd have to agree. There are all kind of stories about the Beatles that are
disputable; but I would take a liner note over just about anything.
And the only people other than these listed who played on a Beatles album
>absolute rubbish........established by
>whom?
Mark Lewisohn, who listened to all of the session tapes for his excellent
books for one.
If you don't like that, how about quotes from JL referring directly to the
song, in which he describes how the three of them traded off solos, and
described what his sounded like, in comparison to the other two.
By the way, we don't have to prove it's not P, G and J, as it is impossible
to prove a negative. It can be proven that it IS the three of them, and this
has been done. If you want confirmation that Eric Clapton, or Eric Idle
or Eric the half-a-bee are on the track, you will have to prove it.
And you can't prove something that ain't true.
Bob Purse
How about horns? (Penny Lane, Got to Get You Into my Life).
Backround vocals (All You Need is Love, I am the Walrus).
The melotron tape (flamenco guitar) intro to Bungalow Bill?
Flute (You've Got to Hide Your Love Away).
Indian instrumentation (Within You, Without You).
Give me a few - I'll think of more.
Alex
Right, I was including those with the strings....
It would help if we knew who you were responding to. Perhaps a quote
from the appropriate previous post could be arranged?
Differences are welcomed, and are particularly appropriate when they
are expressed with regard to matters of opinion. What is the purpose
of such "differences", though, when the issue being discussed is
solely one of hard-fast facts? There can be an opinion regarding the
quality of the solos, but that's not really what is being discussed.
There is no relevant "opinion" as to who is playing the solos. Only
facts, an area in which there is no room for opinion.
It would be equally pointless to say that "It's my belief that Abraham
Lincoln wasn't president in 1862, but that Oscar Wilde sat in for that
year". Or "I don't think Babe Ruth played baseball in the 1927 World
Series, I think FDR played in his place".
Like these two statements, the stated "opinion" that George Harrison
didn't do something that he most assuredly did do, is not an opinion
at all, but an inaccurate statement, incorrectly expressed as an
opinion. Likewise, if it WAS Eric Clapton (as it is on WMGGW),
there would also be no point in expressing the "opinion", for
discussion purposes, that it was George (or that it was Eric,
for that matter).
While it would be appropriate to discuss the point "say, doesn't George
sound like Eric Clapton on 'The End' on Abbey Road", that doesn't
appear to be what you were doing (interesting that you managed to
correct a minor spelling error in a previous post, which bore no relation
to the message of said post, but you still have not corrected your
error in identifying which song contains the solos, a point central
to this thread - which would you say is the more relevant error?).
Perhaps a better approach would have been to say "during the solos in
'the end', it sure sounds like Eric Clapton is playing certain parts of
the solos. Does anyone know if this is possible? Has it been confirmed?
Or do we actually know for certain that J, P and G actually played
these solos?
In response to this sort of post, you would have received the accurate
information, documented and everything. And you probably wouldn't feel
so defensive.
Bob Purse
-John Lennon
All you need is Love. -And a good stiff drink every now and then doesn't hurt
either.
Of course, the Beatles were hiring ringers to overdub
George's solos ever since "Till There Was You".
*****************************
Sean Murdock
mur...@aol.com
I would definately agree that "The End" features some of George's best
soloing ever. Better tone, sound, and interest than Paul or John's
solos. I wouldn't call Paul's guitar work "workmanlike" (it has become
too easy to use this phrase for Paul) though, it is in fact very melodic
and impressive. John's is great too, his particular style features a
very "neck pick-up" (bassy) sound.
"The End" is a high point in The Beatles' guitar repertoire. Plus you
have Ringo finally (albeit grudgingly) grabbing some spotlight..
My next question would be: Does anyone know what kind of guitar each was
using?
--
Darren
jpage<arg $pam>@gte.net = my real E-mail (remove <arg $pam>)
This implies they were ashamed of using Clapton or wanted to trick the public
into thinking one of them played that solo, which is a silly idea. My guess is
Clapton didn't want credit, just like George didn't want credit for his rhythm
guitar on Cream's "Badge". It was just two friends helping each other out.
That makes about $2,000,000 you owe all of us. Please send cash.
Bruce
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(snip)
> John appears to avoid musical
> lines altogether, opting to base his solos around aggressive, earthy
> rhythmic chops.
I've always loved that. It sounds like he was just trying to be direct
and to the point, nothing fancy and unnecessary. Much like the rest of
his life. Get down to important stuff and that's all that matters. And
it makes a nice contrast to the other solos.
It may sound simple, but I think Lennon probably knew exactly what he
was doing. Dude sure knew how to rock!
Czeskleba <czes...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980312171...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>Sparky, this is a discussion group. By definition, it allows each of us to
>express his or her opinion and interpretations. Differences should be
>welcomed or, at least tolerated. Perhaps you could save your rapier-like wit
>for more appropriate situations.
Quoting now from "Lennon Remembers" (P. 48 of paperback):
"There's a nice little bit I played, they played it on the back of Abbey
Road. Paul gave us each a piece. There is a little break where Paul
plays, George plays and I play...... (snip)... where it goes boom, boom
boom on the drums, and we all take turns to play. I'm the third one
on it. I have a definite style of playing. I've always had. I'm the invisible
guitarist.
Hope that clears it up for you. Not really anything to "discuss".
Bob
<snip>
>
> My next question would be: Does anyone know what kind of guitar each was
> using?
> --
> Darren
> jpage<arg $pam>@gte.net = my real E-mail (remove <arg $pam>)
Hmmmmm. I take a guess that it's George's Les Paul, and Paul and John
both on Casinos.....
But I'll defer to Tom Hartman for this one!
> In the lyric book for Anthology 3, it says that the 3 Beatles (John, Paul,
> George) took turn playing 2 bars of guitar solo, for about 1:30.
wasn't it all done with a mellotron?
> Simple question: Did the three of them (Paul, George, and John -- not
Eric, Jimi and
> the Pope!) sit around in a circle at the same time, *literally* trading
off, of did they
> each do their small bit separately and then have them spliced together?
this has been asked a number of times...
does anyone know the answer?
>
> i thought that was for "The End", not "Carry that Weight"
>Why do people have such little confidence in The Lads lead guitar abilies? They are
>fine musicians. And I would take George and Paul as a lead guitarist over Clapton any
>day. Listean to George's Live in Japan album. Listean to the song Something, on it.
>His guitar solo is so much more melodic than Claptons.
>
>
>
Hmmmm........The Beatles are "guitarabilies"........;)
John
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No one will ever know exactly why or how, but by the
year 2050, everyone born in Baltimore will look
exactly like Ernest Borgnine.
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Andy Moore
Highlights:
Lennon has the aggressive, overdriven, ballsy tones .. including the finale
(Epiphone hollow-body casino).
Harrison the high, soaring, bendy Fender Strat sounds (could be a Telecaster).
McCartney is playing a Les paul (no distortion)
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