Yoko's granddaughter to inherit 1/2 of John's fortune
Diana
THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL INHERIT HALF OF JOHN LENNON £400m FORTUNE
exclusive from Sharon Churcher in New York
Bundled up against the freezing New York winter, a pretty little girl with
mischievous eyes and pink butterfly hairslides sits happily on her
grandmother's knee, her mother by her side.
But this is no ordinary family snap. It records the first time that Yoko
Ono, John Lennon's widow, met her granddaughter Emi, three.
Until this moment her mother, Yoko's daughter Kyoko Cox, 37, had kept the
child away from Yoko because of an extraordinary 30-year feud.
The picture was taken in Strawberry Fields, the memorial garden to the
murdered ex-Beatle in Central Park across the road from the Dakota Building
where he was shot dead 20 years ago.
Yoko is so delighted by the reconciliation that she has told friends and
lawyers that half her vast fortune, estimated at more than £400 million, will
be settled on Emi in a trust fund, and that eventually she will share the
Lennon legacy with her mother's half-brother Sean - John and Yoko's son.
Yet three years ago Yoko, 67, did not even know that Kyoko was alive, let
alone that she had made her a grandmother. For years, Kyoko had lived in hiding
after being abducted at the age of eight by her father, the eccentric American
film-maker Tony Cox, Yoko's second husband. He was deeply resentful when she
left him for Lennon and vowed that the Beatle, whom he accused of being a
depraved drug addict, would never get custody of their child.
A Christian fundamentalist, Cox initiated Kyoko into bizarre Doomsday cult.
The Walk and, for three decades, moving from continent to continent, she would
evade the FBI agents and private investigators who Yoko set on their trail. In
November 1997, three weeks after Emi's birth, Kyoko finally re-established
contact with the woman she was brought up to believe was like Lennon, the
personification of evil.
Kyoko, a charity worker, said: "I didn't feel it right for me to become a
mother without at least letting my mother know that I'm alive and well."
Haltingly, the women struck up an acquaintance. At first it was in phone
calls which Kyoko initiated from Denver, Colorado, where, after marrying a
devout Christian, she is attempting to settle down. In 1998, she agreed to meet
Yoko and Sean, now 25.
But wasn't until a cold, blustery day last week that a Mail on Sunday
photographer was able to witness this emotional reunion.
Kyoko was give when John and Yoko became lovers and left her in the care of
Cox. Later they tried to kidnap the child while she was in Majorca with her
father. After this, Cox disappeared with Kyoko.
Cox's long-term friend and cult member David Clark said: "Kyoko's childhood
was clouded by the battle between three control freaks - Yoko, John, and her
natural father. Her father told her he was rescuing her because her mother was
involved in drugs and the occult. Her mother stood for corruption."
Yoko did not file for custody of her daughter until she was eight. She had
particularly wanted the baby when she discovered that she was pregnant by Cox.
According to Peter Brown, the Beatles' biographer, she feared children would
ruin her career as an avant-garde artist, but she had had so many abortions
that the doctors advised against another.
Yoko would claim it was Lennon who initially decreed that the toddler
should move in with Cox. But friends of Lennon contend that he had strong
paternal instincts. In 1969, soon after marrying, the couple made their opening
tasteless salvo in a campaign for Kyoko's heart. Their song Don't Worry Kyoko
(Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand In The Snow) featured Yoko yodeling the
words with Lennon on guitar. The first moved to America, where the couple
formally sought custody in 1971. Cox retaliated by testifying that Yoko and
John were drug users.
A judge ruled the child should live with John and Yoko. But by then Cox had
snatched Kyoko.
Cox eventually became disillusioned with the cult and, in 1977, told Kyoko
they were going on the run again, warning the 14-year-old that her ties to
Lennon would make the group determined to wreak revenge on her.
For the three years before his murder, Lennon was obsessed with finding
Kyoko. He employed private detectives but to no avail. Each year, on Kyoko's
birthday, Yoko would place adverts in newspapers, appealing for her to get in
touch. Finally she responded to her father's 'horror'. A friend says: "She
genuinely feels sad for her mother, because she lost her only daughter and then
went on to lose Lennon. It is as much for Yoko's sake that Kyoko is trying to
reach out and get to know her."
Yoko, in her excitement over the reunion, has lavished presents on Emi. But
as she clutches the little girl in her lap she knows, for her, the greatest
gift is to have a granddaughter.
- - - - - -
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.
ep
Daddio's Girl
This tabloid story is not news. It's not even gossip. It's just more
fodder for the ever-churning minds of the freaks in this newsgroup who
can't seem to get lives of their own.
It is also completely OT.
Francie
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che...@my-deja.com
Daddio's Girl <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <20010107180243...@nso-fz.aol.com>,
> amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> > Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
> >
> ><snip>
>
> This tabloid story is not news. It's not even gossip. It's just more
> fodder for the ever-churning minds of the freaks in this newsgroup who
> can't seem to get lives of their own.
>
> It is also completely OT.
>
> Francie
IMO, the saddest parts of the whole article were these: "Yoko did not
file for custody of her daughter until she was eight." [Unbelievable!!]
and this quote regarding her pregnancy with Kyoko: "According to Peter
Brown, the Beatles' biographer, she feared children would ruin her
career as an avant-garde artist, but she had had so many abortions that
the doctors advised against another."
That rings so true. Does anything more need to be said about this
woman? Does anyone still doubt the true nature of this egocentric
b*tch?
sixti...@my-deja.com
I don't necessarily think this story is entirely off topic, but on the
other hand, I do wonder how reliable the facts are. Of course, the
worse part is that this thread will give way to typical RMB Yoko
bashing.
sixtiesgen
Daddio's Girl
> Daddio's Girl <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <20010107180243...@nso-fz.aol.com>,
> > amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> > > Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
> > >
> > ><snip>
> >
> > This tabloid story is not news. It's not even gossip. It's just more
> > fodder for the ever-churning minds of the freaks in this newsgroup who
> > can't seem to get lives of their own.
> >
> > It is also completely OT.
> >
>
> IMO, the saddest parts of the whole article were these: "Yoko did not
> file for custody of her daughter until she was eight." [Unbelievable!!]
How do you figure that? She was seven when John and Yoko figured it out
that Cox wasn't going to cooperate with them sharing custody.
> and this quote regarding her pregnancy with Kyoko: "According to Peter
> Brown, the Beatles' biographer, she feared children would ruin her
> career as an avant-garde artist, but she had had so many abortions that
> the doctors advised against another."
>
Peter Brown knew absolutely nothing about Yoko's pregnancies before 1968,
and he's NOT a Beatle biographer by any stretch of the imagination. He
was a former lover/assistant to Brian Epstein who ended up working for
the Prince of Wales's publicity machine. He's fullofshit - even worse
than you. He will talk to any tabloid about any subject, whether he knows
the facts or not. And you think his statement rings true... what a joke.
> That rings so true. Does anything more need to be said about this
> woman? Does anyone still doubt the true nature of this egocentric
> b*tch?
>
Just about everything that comes from your keyboard is utterly worthless,
Chewy...
Francie
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Daddio's Girl
sixti...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> I don't necessarily think this story is entirely off topic, but on the
> other hand, I do wonder how reliable the facts are. Of course, the
> worse part is that this thread will give way to typical RMB Yoko
> bashing.
>
> sixtiesgen
> >
Why do you think Diana posted it in the first place???? It's got
everything but the quote from Julian...
Duh.
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jen
"Diana" <amara...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
>
> THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL INHERIT HALF OF JOHN LENNON £400m FORTUNE
> exclusive from Sharon Churcher in New York
>
Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her own
right.
Jen
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Diana
>> THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL INHERIT HALF OF JOHN
>>LENNON £400m FORTUNE
>> exclusive from Sharon Churcher in New York
>>
><snip>
>
>Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her
>own right.
No, it's all the Lennon Estate. AFAIK (stress that point!) John and Yoko
didn't separate their finances. Everything was in both their names or in the
name of whatever corporations, foundations, etc. they created.
che...@my-deja.com
"jen" <jsn...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her
own
> right.
>
> Jen
How do you figure? Please tell us what the source would be of any
wealth Yoko has separate from John Lennon's millions? I mean, why do
you think she hooked up with John in the first place?
jen
From the NY Times, September 24 2000 ( I can post the entire interview...):
<snip>
''It's a complex thing to be Yoko,'' says Sam Havadtoy, her companion of
almost 20 years. As Ono leads me to the kitchen island and seats herself
with her back to the view of gargoyles and rooftops, she says, ''I have to
tell you a story,'' and begins a tale of a Japanese lord and an ''incredibly
important'' painting master that could be out of her own family history. Her
maternal grandfather, Zenjiro Yasuda, was founder of the Yasuda Bank and
eventually amassed a fortune. When he met her grandmother, however, he was a
poor boy from the provinces. Ono relishes the parallels to her own life --
the working-class boy from Liverpool who became great and the aristocratic
Japanese girl he wed. And John, she says, always thought he resembled her
grandfather. ''I told John, 'Don't wish for it, because my grandfather was
assassinated,' ''she says. ''Isn't that amazing?''
The question about her money occasions a relentless barrage of phone calls
from her, correcting, cajoling, amending. Ono says she doesn't know her net
worth. ''Anybody who gives out their net worth belongs in a mental
institution,'' she says. She's afraid, and she believes she has reason to be
afraid; a reporter divulged the couple's address in 1980, she says, and soon
afterward Lennon was stalked and killed. ''My worth is close to Paul
McCartney's,'' she offers finally, which The Sunday Times of London's Rich
List 2000 estimated at 550 million pounds, or about $775 million. ''Why is
the money a question that no one will skip?'' Ono protests.
<snip>
Lysistrata
> news:20010107180243...@nso-fz.aol.com...
> > Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
> >
> > THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL INHERIT HALF OF JOHN LENNON £400m FORTUNE
> > exclusive from Sharon Churcher in New York
> >
> <snip>
>
> Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her own
> right.
>
Yoko comes from an investment banking family, a wealthy one. However, her
decision to become a nontraditional artist displeased her family.
Ironically, when Linda Eastman dropped out of college and became a
photographer, her own father was also displeased... which meant Linda was
on her own in NYC with baby Heather.
So before you start thinking (as Chewy obviously does) that Yoko married
John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967), remember that
neither Linda or Yoko were motivated by potential riches. In John's case,
Yoko literally built the fortune you're discussing here with her
investment skills and John said this dozens of times. And lots of people
credit John Eastman with the building of Paul's fortune.
The fact is, both women fell in love with young Beatles - and there was
no guarantee that either one would end up being multi-millionnaires.
Not to mention the downside of being a Beatle wife, which is
considerable.
Francie
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sixti...@my-deja.com
Thank you, Francie, for saying that so well.
sixtiesgen
che...@my-deja.com
> So before you start thinking (as Chewy obviously does) that Yoko
married
> John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967),
He had a hell of a lot of money by 1967 standards. This was before he
he was nearly bankrupted by Apple. YOU know all about that, I'm sure.
In any case, John was perceived by Yoko as being very rich for two
reasons: (1) Everyone in Britain at that time, and that would surely
include Yoko, believed the Beatles were rich beyond measure...despite
her later lies that she never heard of the Beatles; and (2) John Dunbar
of the Indica Gallery had pointed out John Lennon to her when he
visited the gallery and, according to John in later interviews, said
something to her like "There's a rich pop star. Go do your thing."
We know that at that time Yoko was short of funding and on the lookout
for a wealthy patron to sponsor her bizarre minimalist antics. She
decided then and there that John would be that patron. And as many
others here have already pointed out, she literally stalked the man for
some sixth months before John finally decided he needed a new mother
figure. During that time, she showed up uninvited at his door at
Kenwood, and on one occasion reportedly pushed her way into his Rolls
Royce and sat between him and Cynthia, and employed other obnoxious
tactics. THAT was the origin of Yoko's interest in John Lennon.
Accept it or not, as you wish.
>remember that
> neither Linda or Yoko were motivated by potential riches.
Oh, did they both tell you that...over tea, perhaps? LOL.
>In John's case,
> Yoko literally built the fortune you're discussing here with her
> investment skills and John said this dozens of times.
Again, Francie, you clearly have not read the various insider books
(other than "Body Count"), all of which confirm that virtually all of
her business decisions were made according to tarot card readings and
astrology. Those are the "investment skills" you refer to. She
reportedly squandered huge sums of money on Egyptian artifacts which
simply gathered dust in the basement of the Dakota. During one lengthy
family trip to Japan in the late '70's, she literally depleted John's
entire cash reserves...to the point where John was very concerned they
would have to sell off some of the vacant apartments they owned at the
Dakota. The Holstein cow she supposedly sold for a record price was
sold again by the purchaser four months later for some $30,000 more
than what he paid Yoko for it. And when she did the record deal
for "Double Fantasy" with David Geffen, she opened the discussion by
asking him his sign of the Zodiac, and then amateurishly tried to get
him to immediately disclose his best offer. After John's death, she
immediately tried to raise some much needed cash by issuing all sorts
of unreleased stuff that John never wanted released while he was alive.
The list of such examples is endless. So no, Francie, Yoko was NOT a
skilled business woman....not by any stretch of the imagination.
>And lots of people
> credit John Eastman with the building of Paul's fortune.
No, Francie, it was not John Eastman. It was his dad, Lee Eastman, who
was responsible for building Paul's fortune.
> The fact is, both women fell in love with young Beatles - and there
was
> no guarantee that either one would end up being multi-millionnaires.
Neither one was necessarily looking for a "multi-millionaire". They
were both looking for someone who had money and the potential for
making more money over time. Both found what they were looking for.
> Not to mention the downside of being a Beatle wife, which is
> considerable.
Methinks you would have glady suffered the slings and arrows of being a
Beatle wife....had you been asked to.
~~
"The best thing about being in a relationship is that you always have
someone to do it with whenever you feel horny."---Jenny McCarthy
feed_em...@my-deja.com
>
> Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her
own
> right.
>
> Jen
>
>
Don't expect fairplay from Diana
She will tell you that it's ALL Johns
Just ignore that Yoko had ANYTHING to do with John other than irritate
his so called "fans"
Lysistrata
che...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
<snip a whole load of the usual crap>
You are such an asshole, I refuse to address your argument point by
point. You are talking out your anus again...
Francie
--
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that possesses the power to sterilize
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creative functioning.
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che...@my-deja.com
Lysistrata <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <93gmc1$sgt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> che...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
>
> <snip a whole load of the usual crap>
>
> You are such an asshole, I refuse to address your argument point by
> point. You are talking out your anus again...
>
I'll interpret that to mean you have no facts to refute my argument.
Lysistrata
You're quite welcome. It helps to know that the minitrolls aren't the
only ones who read me... plus it makes them easier to ignore!
;-)
F.
Diana
>>.... John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967),.....
I'm taking this out of context because I don't want to confused separate
issues. Francie, you're saying John didn't have much money in 1967? Could you
specify what you mean by "that much"? He lived in a mansion, owned several of
the most expensive cars around, and Cyn didn't have to work. As I understand
it, the Beatles were given an allowance and didn't know how much they were
worth. I realize the taxes were high, but surely he was worth at least a
couple of million, and at a time when a million meant a LOT.
Diana
>> Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her
>>own right.
>
>Don't expect fairplay from Diana
>
>She will tell you that it's ALL Johns
Guess you missed my post a couple of days ago wherein I said that, AFAIK,
everything was in BOTH their names.
>Just ignore that Yoko had ANYTHING to do with John other than irritate
>his so called "fans"
ROTF!
reinh...@my-deja.com
The *facts* of Yoko's relationship (or, rather, non-relationship)
with Kyoko are well-established. Everything in the article is accurate.
Indeed, many more damning facts were omitted...
<SNIP>
AppleCorp3
>John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967), remember that
>neither Linda or Yoko were motivated by potential riches
Exactly. This was proved by the whole "Apple will be bankrupt in 6 weeks"
fiasco in the late 60s. If Linda or Yoko were after considerable amounts of
money; the Apple thing would have scared them away.
I thought most people knew of Yoko's business knowledge - didn't she invest in
cows or something that made them millions? Whatever it was, I read somewhere
she more than doubled the Lennon's estate.
AppleCorp3
>he was nearly bankrupted by Apple. YOU know all about that, I'm sure.
She does konw all about that - and as I've pointed out before, any money
chasing woman would have bolted from both John and Paul when they were nearly
bankrupted by Apple. So it was obvious they were in it for the duration.
reinh...@my-deja.com
> sixti...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't necessarily think this story is entirely off topic, but on
the
> > other hand, I do wonder how reliable the facts are. Of course, the
> > worse part is that this thread will give way to typical RMB Yoko
> > bashing.
> >
> > sixtiesgen
> > >
>
> Why do you think Diana posted it in the first place???? It's got
> everything but the quote from Julian...
>
Lucky for you that the Reinster is here to provide said quote
from Jules (in the London Evening Standard): "By the time little Emi is
grown up Yoko will be dead and Sam Havadtoy will control the estate. No
doubt he will find a way to circumvent Yoko's Will and disenfranchise
her relatives, just like Yoko ignored the provisions of my father's Will
and disenfranchised his relatives..."
> Duh.
>
> --
> Hatred is sacred. Hatred is my holy
> revenge on humanity for denying me
the fame and riches I so justly deserved.
> -JUDE SCHWARTZ: "No More Mr. Nice Guy: How I Went From a Being a
Cute, Peace And Love Hippie Chick to Famous Beatle Groupie to an Old,
Embittered, Sycophantic Internet Whore Moonlighting as an Apologist For
Yoko Ono." (IllCunt Press)
John W
>
> In article <93b2lr$e45$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> sixti...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <93b1rq$dis$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > che...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In article <93av7o$bcu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > Daddio's Girl <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <20010107180243...@nso-fz.aol.com>,
> > > > amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> > > > > Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
This post has too many > > > > > > > >'s. I'm getting dizzy.
--
-John W.
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Also check out johnscloset2, 3, and 4
Lysistrata
amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> Francie wrote:
>
> >>.... John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967),.....
>
> I'm taking this out of context because I don't want to confused separate
> issues. Francie, you're saying John didn't have much money in 1967? Could you
> specify what you mean by "that much"? He lived in a mansion, owned several of
> the most expensive cars around, and Cyn didn't have to work. As I understand
> it, the Beatles were given an allowance and didn't know how much they were
> worth. I realize the taxes were high, but surely he was worth at least a
> couple of million, and at a time when a million meant a LOT.
>
Not even close. As of 1968, Paul told me they hadn't seen a dime from Sgt
Pepper. Ever heard of a little thing called a mortgage? Have any idea how
much cash was laid out to start Apple and to keep everyone on payroll?
The point was, like many pop stars, the Beatles were not individually
millionnaires in 1967. Yoko and Linda were not golddiggers, and both had
come from wealthy families (Yoko's MUCH wealthier than Linda's) and had
been cut off for choosing untraditional careers.
Lysistrata
Everything you say is utterly heinous and false.
There's a special place in Hell with your name on it.
Come to think of it, you're already halfway there.
Francie
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and is always the first handicap to any
creative functioning.
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~~
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nowhere man
>
> Lucky for you that the Reinster is here to provide said quote
> from Jules (in the London Evening Standard): "By the time little Emi is
> grown up Yoko will be dead and Sam Havadtoy will control the estate. No
> doubt he will find a way to circumvent Yoko's Will and disenfranchise
> her relatives, just like Yoko ignored the provisions of my father's Will
> and disenfranchised his relatives..."
John's will is online.
How many million did, so badly done by, Julian get?
> Cute, Peace And Love Hippie Chick to Famous Beatle Groupie to an Old,
> Embittered, Sycophantic Internet Whore Moonlighting as an Apologist For
> Yoko Ono." (IllCunt Press)
Fred, have you EVER posted a single post WITHOUT using the word
'Sycophant' or some derivative of it?
You'd leave more finger prints at a crime scene than Inspector
Clousseau.
reinh...@my-deja.com
One suspects that Ono made up this conversation with JL, just as she's
made up many other such pseudo-poignant imaginary exchanges in the past.
Incidentally, Zenjiro Yasuda was assassinated on Oct.9 (JL's b'day)
1920. And while it is true that Zenjiro became fabulously wealthy (a
billionaire by today's standards) it is also true that Yoko's branch of
the family (Y's grandmother, Teruko, was Zenjiro's oldest daughter) was
disinherited by the patriarch after Y's grandfather succumbed to a
dissolute lifestyle devoted to Sake & Geishas. Yoko was the black sheep
of the black sheep branch of the family. She never had any money of her
own & spent much of her early adulthood living in abject poverty--until
she attached herself to Lennon, her ticket to financial freedom & fame.
> The question about her money occasions a relentless barrage of phone
calls
> from her, correcting, cajoling, amending. Ono says she doesn't know
her net
> worth. ''Anybody who gives out their net worth belongs in a mental
> institution,'' she says. She's afraid, and she believes she has reason
to be
> afraid; a reporter divulged the couple's address in 1980, she says,
and soon
> afterward Lennon was stalked and killed. ''My worth is close to Paul
> McCartney's,'' she offers finally, which The Sunday Times of London's
Rich
> List 2000 estimated at 550 million pounds, or about $775 million.
''Why is
> the money a question that no one will skip?'' Ono protests.
> <snip>
I can answer that: Because it is Ono herself who has obsessively
sought to create the impression that she is as wealthy (well, almost...)
as Macca.
freds...@my-deja.com
You keep overlooking the fact that Yoko had been disinherited and cut
off from her family's wealth (which was in fact quite modest, not at all
the mythical fortune that she & her retainers -- eg.you -- would have us
believe)
freds...@my-deja.com
such spin-doctored nonsense...
freds...@my-deja.com
> "jen" <jsn...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Diana" <amara...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20010107180243...@nso-fz.aol.com...
> > > Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
> > >
> > > THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL INHERIT HALF OF JOHN LENNON £400m FORTUNE
> > > exclusive from Sharon Churcher in New York
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Is the $598m figure just John's? Surely Yoko must be wealthy in her
own
> > right.
> >
>
> Yoko comes from an investment banking family, a wealthy one. However,
her
> decision to become a nontraditional artist displeased her family.
> Ironically, when Linda Eastman dropped out of college and became a
> photographer, her own father was also displeased... which meant Linda
was
> on her own in NYC with baby Heather.
>
> So before you start thinking (as Chewy obviously does) that Yoko
married
> John for his money
LOL! Hey, Nutty, I have news for ya: It ain't just Chewy who thinks
that YO married John for his money. Most people (well, at least those
with half a brain) believe it. And it just so happens to be the truth...
(he didn't have that much in 1967),
Ah, yes, but Yoko didn't know that. When she found out she must have
been bitterly disappointed.
remember that
> neither Linda or Yoko were motivated by potential riches.
Well maybe not Linda, but Yoko definitely (as well as fame...)
In John's
case,
> Yoko literally built the fortune you're discussing here with her
> investment skills and John said this dozens of times.
Yes, but he lied. Yoko was much better at spending than at earning
money (the psychics that she relied on for business advice were usually
clueless, resulting, at times, in disastrous losses)
And lots of
people
> credit John Eastman with the building of Paul's fortune.
>
> The fact is, both women fell in love with young Beatles
Yoko never loved John. From the beginning she used him to further her
ambitions (money & fame, etc.)
- and there
was
> no guarantee that either one would end up being multi-millionnaires.
No, there was no *guarantee* (ohmigod! We actually agree on
something...), but there was a REASONABLE EXPECTATION of wealth...
> Not to mention the downside of being a Beatle wife, which is
> considerable.
I suppose that's why you decided to *dump* Paul, huh?
> Francie
>
> --
> It is good blowjobs, and good blowjobs alone,
> that possess the power to open your man's wallet
> and is always the first handicap to any
> hope of a mutual orgasm.
> Frannie "Soft Lips" Schwartz: Sex Tips From a Famous Groupie
Lysistrata
freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >
> > So before you start thinking (as Chewy obviously does) that Yoko
> married
> > John for his money
>
> LOL! Hey, Nutty, I have news for ya: It ain't just Chewy who thinks
> that YO married John for his money. Most people (well, at least those
> with half a brain) believe it.
Hey FelonBoy, who gives a shit what Chewy believes about why Yoko fell in
love with John and married him and gave him a son? Only you - because
this newsgroup is the only place on the planet where you can find anyone
dumb enough to fall for your bullshit propaganda.
And it just so happens to be the truth...
>
There is that word again. You have no clue about the truth, since you are
a career liar.
>
> Yoko never loved John. From the beginning she used him to further her
> ambitions (money & fame, etc.)
>
And you have no concept of love, so you're talking out of your
unnaturally enlarged and smelly rectum.
>
ROTFLMAO
Francie
--
It is good taste, and good taste alone,
that possesses the power to sterilize
and is always the first handicap to any
creative functioning.
~ Salvador Dali ~
~~
freds...@my-deja.com
Quite right. In summer 1978 she spent a staggering $700,000 in Japan
trying to impress her relatives. She subsequently tried to write it off
as a business expense. The IRS disallowed it & sued her. Yoko was forced
to settle & she & John were nearly forced into bankruptcy.
Touche, Chewie!
freds...@my-deja.com
> che...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
>
> <snip a whole load of the usual crap>
>
> You are such an asshole, I refuse to address your argument point by
> point.
LOL! Why am I not surprised? You can't refute his arguments because
he happens to be right & you know it!
You are talking out your anus again...
>
Thus speaks the paragon of good taste & civility...
freds...@my-deja.com
further her own aims, turned his name into a trademark & looted his
image after his death...
D 28IF
> That's neither fair nor accurate. She also hijacked his talent to
>further her own aims, turned his name into a trademark & looted his
>image after his death...
Fred, many performers trademark their name, or their group's name, to protect
themselves.
I remember thinking it was weird the first time I saw a CD with Billy Joel's
name followed by Ž.
che...@my-deja.com
freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > Not to mention the downside of being a Beatle wife, which is
> > > considerable.
> >
> > Methinks you would have glady suffered the slings and arrows of
being
> a
> > Beatle wife....had you been asked to.
>
> Touche, Chewie!
Thanks, Fred. As I've said before, your book about John is one of the
very best, and certainly the best one ever written about his last
years. I've read it twice over the years.
Friend of Alley
<william_m...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
>> Cute, Peace And Love Hippie Chick to Famous Beatle Groupie to an Old,
>> Embittered, Sycophantic Internet Whore Moonlighting as an Apologist For
>> Yoko Ono." (IllCunt Press)
>
>Fred, have you EVER posted a single post WITHOUT using the word
>'Sycophant' or some derivative of it?
>
It's his favourite ten dollar word.
Tim
--------------------
Duchy Of Grand Fenwick
"I wish it (Christianity) were more
productive of good works
... I mean real good works
... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing
... or making long prayers, filled with
flatteries and compliments despised by
wise men, and much less capable of
pleasing the Deity."
--Benjamin Franklin,Works, Vol. VII, p. 75
Friend of Alley
Uh,Freddie,there was this little RECESSION from 78/82,most people lost
tons of money on their investments..
The odd thing is,most of these psychics also were employed by one
Nancy Reagan during the 80's,wonder how many policy decisions they
were in on.
>
> Yoko never loved John. From the beginning she used him to further her
>ambitions (money & fame, etc.)
>
What ambition?To be as popular as Nixon?
> No, there was no *guarantee* (ohmigod! We actually agree on
>something...), but there was a REASONABLE EXPECTATION of wealth...
>
Not really,considering how Apple was run,and the little 90% tax
bracket they were in...
Friend of Alley
> That's neither fair nor accurate. She also hijacked his talent to
>further her own aims, turned his name into a trademark & looted his
>image after his death...
>
Whereas Brian gave it all away while John was alive(i.e. 90% of
profits from merchandising to Seltaeb,92.5% of AHDN profits to UA,only
1d. per 45 royalty from EMI...)
Whereas Klein appearantly underreported income(probably more why the
IRS was after John than anything else).
Lysistrata
Hey Chewboy, d'ya think you could get your tongue a little further up
Freddy's ass?
lol
--
It is good taste, and good taste alone,
that possesses the power to sterilize
and is always the first handicap to any
creative functioning.
~ Salvador Dali ~
~~
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
UP NOW: Original Drawings & Paintings
Lysistrata
> >image after his death...
> >
Now here's a truly expert statement coming from the first and hopefully
the last looter of John Lennon's image after his death. Days after...
--
It is good taste, and good taste alone,
that possesses the power to sterilize
and is always the first handicap to any
creative functioning.
~ Salvador Dali ~
~~
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che...@my-deja.com
Lysistrata <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:49:02 GMT, freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > > That's neither fair nor accurate. She... looted his
> > >image after his death...
> > >
>
> Now here's a truly expert statement coming from the first and
hopefully
> the last looter of John Lennon's image after his death. Days after...
Francie, I thought we agreed that you would stop bringing up the past.
Why must you dwell on things that happened 20 years ago?
Lysistrata
Why must you dwell in the vicinity of Semenboy's ass, DoucheBop?
--
It is good taste, and good taste alone,
that possesses the power to sterilize
and is always the first handicap to any
creative functioning.
~ Salvador Dali ~
~~
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
UP NOW: Original Drawings & Paintings
che...@my-deja.com
Lysistrata <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Why must you dwell in the vicinity of Semenboy's ass, DoucheBop?
Well, at least SOMEBODY finally spelled it right!! LOL. I must enable
that software again.
che...@my-deja.com
Lysistrata <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > Touche, Chewie!
> >
> > Thanks, Fred. As I've said before, your book about John is one of
the
> > very best, and certainly the best one ever written about his last
> > years. I've read it twice over the years.
> >
>
> Hey Chewboy, d'ya think you could get your tongue a little further up
> Freddy's ass?
>
> lol
Francie, it's sad to see how you've changed from the person you used to
be. Sometimes you speak like the Linda Blair character in "The
Exorcist".
feed_em...@my-deja.com
freds...@my-deja.com wrote:
so called "fans"
> >
> That's neither fair nor accurate. She also hijacked his talent to
> further her own aims, turned his name into a trademark & looted his
> image after his death...
>
>
Speak of looting after death.....
Methinks you should keep your fucking trap shut
feed_em...@my-deja.com
amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> Francie (?) wrote:
>
Not Francie dear
Not even close
ya gasbag
Laura Dever
heard of it.. I didn't think he had done any interviews lately. , I love to
see that.
Thanks. ).
Too Late For Good-byes,
Laura D.
reinh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> Lucky for you that the Reinster is here to provide said quote
> from Jules (in the London Evening Standard): "By the time little Emi is
> grown up Yoko will be dead and Sam Havadtoy will control the estate. No
> doubt he will find a way to circumvent Yoko's Will and disenfranchise
> her relatives, just like Yoko ignored the provisions of my father's Will
> and disenfranchised his relatives..."
>
> > Duh.
> >
> > --
> > Hatred is sacred. Hatred is my holy
> > revenge on humanity for denying me
> the fame and riches I so justly deserved.
> > -JUDE SCHWARTZ: "No More Mr. Nice Guy: How I Went From a Being a
> Cute, Peace And Love Hippie Chick to Famous Beatle Groupie to an Old,
> Embittered, Sycophantic Internet Whore Moonlighting as an Apologist For
> Yoko Ono." (IllCunt Press)
> >
> > ~~
> > http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
> > THIS WEEKEND: Original Drawings & Paintings
Tom Hartman
wrote:
> > > John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967), remember that
> > > neither Linda or Yoko were motivated by potential riches.
Francie, where were John's BMI performance royalties going in 1967 that
he was broke? He should have been a multimillionaire from those alone,
even forgetting the record sales....I'm not up on their business lives,
I know they made far less than they should have...
Anomie
If you're referring to 1968, my best guess is it took quite a long time
for performance royalties to get to John's bank account, if Paul's
statement to me about not seeing a penny from Sgt Pepper was truthful...
and I have no reason to think it was otherwise.
Another possibility is John's cash contribution to Apple's launch
(purchasing the two buildings, paying salaries) as well as his purchasing
of real estate, automobiles etc would have put quite a crimp into his net
worth at the time...
Francie
--
Irresponsibility is part of the pleasure of all art; it is the part the
schools cannot recognize.
~Pauline Kael ~
~~
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voxv...@my-deja.com
> che...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
>
> <snip a whole load of the usual crap>
>
> You are such an asshole, I refuse to address your argument point by
> point. You are talking out your anus again...
>
> Francie
=== I weigh in rarely, but he's dead on here.===
che...@my-deja.com
voxv...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> > che...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> >
> > <snip a whole load of the usual crap>
> >
> > You are such an asshole, I refuse to address your argument point by
> > point. You are talking out your anus again...
> >
> > Francie
>
> === I weigh in rarely, but he's dead on here.===
Thanks, vox. Francie, care to respond?
Tom Hartman
> Thanks, vox. Francie, care to respond?
>
Like seemingly everyone, I've had my run ins with Francie, but with
her, we are talking about a highly opinionated, yet extremely
intelligent and experienced individual. With a web page, even.
Agree with her or not, I believe she is a great plus to RMB.
You are out of your league.
the walrus was Danny
Nope. Franks is a negative factor in this arena. Spinning Bullshit and
nonesense to further her own kudos so that innocent beatle fans will believe
her in her "Yoyo is the most" stuff.
Yoyo pays her hard cash for this, you will note that she cannot comment on
one even slight negative factor about Yo, it's almost as if she is totally
perfect.
It's sad. She has an element of Kudos already (being there in 68, organising
the mad day out, working (sort of) for Apple, sucking the royal penis),
however one has to view this in perspective. Macca himself has completely
distanced himself from her since the day he chucked her suitcase over the
wall (lierally). She exposed details of her private life with him in her
1972 book (only Chapter 8 mind you), which were subsequently picked up on by
the UK Sunday gutter rag "The News of the World". She took 2 Grand off
"Penthouse" which also published extracts from the book, despite slating the
world for being "sexist" and having a "War on sex".
When Franks leaves the group from time to time, it's lovely, it's like the
place is free of some kind of heavy cloud. No Franks is a big minus.
Danny
che...@my-deja.com
Well, I would agree that when it comes to vile, foul-mouthed
obscenities coming out of one's mouth, I am certainly not in Francie's
league.
But when it comes to objective, reasoned analysis of Yoko without all
the emotional baggage, I'm afraid Francie is not in MY league. I am in
the majors...she's in the bantam league. Fair enough?
As I've pointed out here many times before, there is entirely too much
idol worship in this newsgroup and entirely too little objective
appraisal of the Beatles and their associates. That is why
I...Chewbop...am here. It is my raison d'etre. Francie will explain.
Assia
reinh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > From the NY Times, September 24 2000 ( I can post the entire
> interview...):
> > <snip>
> > ''It's a complex thing to be Yoko,'' says Sam Havadtoy, her
companion
> of
> > almost 20 years.
Sam Havadtoy is with Yoko just to be her bodyguard. Also because he was
a close friend of John's. John admired Havadtoy's knack for internal
decoration.
As Ono leads me to the kitchen island and seats
> herself
> > with her back to the view of gargoyles and rooftops, she says, ''I
> have to
> > tell you a story,'' and begins a tale of a Japanese lord and an
> ''incredibly
> > important'' painting master that could be out of her own family
> history. Her
> > maternal grandfather, Zenjiro Yasuda, was founder of the Yasuda Bank
> and
> > eventually amassed a fortune. When he met her grandmother, however,
he
> was a
> > poor boy from the provinces. Ono relishes the parallels to her own
> life --
> > the working-class boy from Liverpool who became great and the
> aristocratic
> > Japanese girl he wed. And John, she says, always thought he
resembled
> her
> > grandfather. ''I told John, 'Don't wish for it, because my
grandfather
> was
> > assassinated,' ''she says. ''Isn't that amazing?''
> >
>
> One suspects that Ono made up this conversation with JL, just as she's
> made up many other such pseudo-poignant imaginary exchanges in the
past.
Why would she feel the need to make up anything when she is such an
accomplished woman? She invented all forms of music, art, and peace.
> Incidentally, Zenjiro Yasuda was assassinated on Oct.9 (JL's b'day)
> 1920. And while it is true that Zenjiro became fabulously wealthy (a
> billionaire by today's standards) it is also true that Yoko's branch
of
> the family (Y's grandmother, Teruko, was Zenjiro's oldest daughter)
was
> disinherited by the patriarch after Y's grandfather succumbed to a
> dissolute lifestyle devoted to Sake & Geishas. Yoko was the black
sheep
> of the black sheep branch of the family.
But the rest of the family was awed by her abstemiousness -- not to
mention her perfect pitch and 6-octave vocal range.
She never had any money of
her
> own & spent much of her early adulthood living in abject
poverty--until
> she attached herself to Lennon, her ticket to financial freedom &
fame.
But because of her fame as an artist, also the fact that she could sell
an apple for fifty thousand dollars and a cow for five billion dollars,
she was also able to lend John money when he was poor because nobody
bought Walls and Bridges. It was his least inspired album because he
wasn't with Yoko when he did it, since she had sent him packing to find
Enlightenment and didn't take him home till he was Ready.
Assia
>
> > The question about her money occasions a relentless barrage of phone
> calls
> > from her, correcting, cajoling, amending. Ono says she doesn't know
> her net
> > worth. ''Anybody who gives out their net worth belongs in a mental
> > institution,'' she says. She's afraid, and she believes she has
reason
> to be
> > afraid; a reporter divulged the couple's address in 1980, she says,
> and soon
> > afterward Lennon was stalked and killed. ''My worth is close to Paul
> > McCartney's,'' she offers finally, which The Sunday Times of
London's
> Rich
> > List 2000 estimated at 550 million pounds, or about $775 million.
> ''Why is
> > the money a question that no one will skip?'' Ono protests.
> > <snip>
>
> I can answer that: Because it is Ono herself who has obsessively
> sought to create the impression that she is as wealthy (well,
almost...)
> as Macca.
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
>
--
"A book without an index is like a wine without a meal" - Bill Safire
Assia
Lysistrata <shooby...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Not even close. As of 1968, Paul told me they hadn't seen a dime from
Sgt
> Pepper.
That's because he knew that this 3rd-rate groupie he was shagging
was after more than $ex.
Assia
Assia
amara...@aol.com (Diana) wrote:
> Francie wrote:
>
> >>.... John for his money (he didn't have that much in 1967),.....
>
> I'm taking this out of context because I don't want to confused
separate
> issues. Francie, you're saying John didn't have much money in 1967?
Could you
> specify what you mean by "that much"?
He was very poor because he was in some unknown little band that Yoko
had never even heard of. I can't even remember what they were called
(The Insects?). After John met Yoko, she helped him out financially.
She also enabled him to stop drinking, smoking, eating, and having sex
-- all the things that God doesn't like.
Assia
--
"A book without an index is like a wine without a meal" - Bill Safire
Assia
"the walrus was Danny" <thewalru...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Agree with her or not, I believe she is a great plus to RMB.
>
> Nope. Franks is a negative factor in this arena. Spinning Bullshit and
> nonesense to further her own kudos so that innocent beatle fans will
believe
> her in her "Yoyo is the most" stuff.
>
> Yoyo pays her hard cash for this, you will note that she cannot
comment on
> one even slight negative factor about Yo, it's almost as if she is
totally
> perfect.
She said (rightly) that it was impossible that Duchamp could have gotten
his ideas from Ono. Then she was asked to comment on Ono's statement
that Duchamp stole his ideas from her. And Francie duly shut up.
Assia
Perdido
Bwahahahaha. I didn't shut up, NyAss. I simply refused to comment on a
completely unattributable statement. One of the Ten NyAss myths about
Yoko Ono. Yoko has never said any such thing, ergo, there's nothing to
say.
Or maybe I just had better things to do until you foolishly dared to
characterise my silence and I happened to notice.
Ooga booga!
Francie
--
Celebrity is a mask that eats into the face. As soon as one is aware of
being "somebody," to be watched and listened to with extra interest,
input ceases, and the performer goes blind and deaf in his over-
animation. One can either see or be seen.
~John Updike~
~~
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> Mail On Sunday -- January 7 2001
>
> THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL INHERIT HALF OF JOHN LENNON £400m FORTUNE
> exclusive from Sharon Churcher in New York
>
> Bundled up against the freezing New York winter, a pretty little girl with
> mischievous eyes and pink butterfly hairslides sits happily on her
> grandmother's knee, her mother by her side.
> But this is no ordinary family snap. It records the first time that Yoko
> Ono, John Lennon's widow, met her granddaughter Emi, three.
> Until this moment her mother, Yoko's daughter Kyoko Cox, 37, had kept the
> child away from Yoko because of an extraordinary 30-year feud.
> The picture was taken in Strawberry Fields, the memorial garden to the
> murdered ex-Beatle in Central Park across the road from the Dakota Building
> where he was shot dead 20 years ago.
> Yoko is so delighted by the reconciliation that she has told friends and
> lawyers that half her vast fortune, estimated at more than £400 million, will
> be settled on Emi in a trust fund, and that eventually she will share the
> Lennon legacy with her mother's half-brother Sean - John and Yoko's son.
> Yet three years ago Yoko, 67, did not even know that Kyoko was alive, let
> alone that she had made her a grandmother. For years, Kyoko had lived in hiding
> after being abducted at the age of eight by her father, the eccentric American
> film-maker Tony Cox, Yoko's second husband. He was deeply resentful when she
> left him for Lennon and vowed that the Beatle, whom he accused of being a
> depraved drug addict, would never get custody of their child.
> A Christian fundamentalist, Cox initiated Kyoko into bizarre Doomsday cult.
> The Walk and, for three decades, moving from continent to continent, she would
> evade the FBI agents and private investigators who Yoko set on their trail. In
> November 1997, three weeks after Emi's birth, Kyoko finally re-established
> contact with the woman she was brought up to believe was like Lennon, the
> personification of evil.
> Kyoko, a charity worker, said: "I didn't feel it right for me to become a
> mother without at least letting my mother know that I'm alive and well."
> Haltingly, the women struck up an acquaintance. At first it was in phone
> calls which Kyoko initiated from Denver, Colorado, where, after marrying a
> devout Christian, she is attempting to settle down. In 1998, she agreed to meet
> Yoko and Sean, now 25.
> But wasn't until a cold, blustery day last week that a Mail on Sunday
> photographer was able to witness this emotional reunion.
> Kyoko was give when John and Yoko became lovers and left her in the care of
> Cox. Later they tried to kidnap the child while she was in Majorca with her
> father. After this, Cox disappeared with Kyoko.
> Cox's long-term friend and cult member David Clark said: "Kyoko's childhood
> was clouded by the battle between three control freaks - Yoko, John, and her
> natural father. Her father told her he was rescuing her because her mother was
> involved in drugs and the occult. Her mother stood for corruption."
> Yoko did not file for custody of her daughter until she was eight. She had
> particularly wanted the baby when she discovered that she was pregnant by Cox.
> According to Peter Brown, the Beatles' biographer, she feared children would
> ruin her career as an avant-garde artist, but she had had so many abortions
> that the doctors advised against another.
> Yoko would claim it was Lennon who initially decreed that the toddler
> should move in with Cox. But friends of Lennon contend that he had strong
> paternal instincts. In 1969, soon after marrying, the couple made their opening
> tasteless salvo in a campaign for Kyoko's heart. Their song Don't Worry Kyoko
> (Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand In The Snow) featured Yoko yodeling the
> words with Lennon on guitar. The first moved to America, where the couple
> formally sought custody in 1971. Cox retaliated by testifying that Yoko and
> John were drug users.
> A judge ruled the child should live with John and Yoko. But by then Cox had
> snatched Kyoko.
> Cox eventually became disillusioned with the cult and, in 1977, told Kyoko
> they were going on the run again, warning the 14-year-old that her ties to
> Lennon would make the group determined to wreak revenge on her.
> For the three years before his murder, Lennon was obsessed with finding
> Kyoko. He employed private detectives but to no avail. Each year, on Kyoko's
> birthday, Yoko would place adverts in newspapers, appealing for her to get in
> touch. Finally she responded to her father's 'horror'. A friend says: "She
> genuinely feels sad for her mother, because she lost her only daughter and then
> went on to lose Lennon. It is as much for Yoko's sake that Kyoko is trying to
> reach out and get to know her."
> Yoko, in her excitement over the reunion, has lavished presents on Emi. But
> as she clutches the little girl in her lap she knows, for her, the greatest
> gift is to have a granddaughter.
>
> - - - - - -
> Though lovers be lost love shall not;
> And death shall have no dominion.
>
>
> ep
This is some funny stuff