Beatles songs in 3/4 time
David Cheseldine
My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
other ones are 3/4?
Thanks
Dave Cheseldine
Björn-Anders Haverstad
How about I Me Mine from the Let It Be album?
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Björn-Anders Haverstad
David Cheseldine wrote:
>
> My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> other ones are 3/4?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave Cheseldine
Yes, I ME MINE also was in 3/4.
Tom Sella
Baby's In Black
Pat Wigfull
David Cheseldine <ches...@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> other ones are 3/4?
It tends to be the later ones which fall into 3/4 times, although "A Taste
of Honey" seems to be 3/4.
On the White Album, we have "Long Long Long" and "Yer Blues", and parts of
"Blackbird" (which switches time signatures a lot).
Also... "Dig a Pony" and "Dig It", as well as most of "Lucy in the Sky
with Diamonds" and "She's Leaving Home".
Parts of "All You Need is Love" fall into 3/4 time, and of course the most
obvious partial 3/4 time song is "Being for the Benefit of Mr.Kite" ("and
of course Henry the Horse dances the waltz...")
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Patrick Wigfull
Department of Biology, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
E-mail: pwig...@ccs.carleton.ca
WWW: http://www.carleton.ca/~pwigfull
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Jeff Smulyan
David Cheseldine wrote:
>
> My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> other ones are 3/4?
>
>
> Dave Cheseldine
Hi Dave,
BABY'S IN BLACK
I'LL BE BACK from "Anthology 1"
I ME MINE(part of it)
There's probably others too...
Aaron Bucky
In article <58fdkf$c...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, Pat Wigfull
<pwig...@rideau.carleton.ca> wrote:
(snip)
> On the White Album, we have "Long Long Long" and "Yer Blues", and parts of
> "Blackbird" (which switches time signatures a lot).
(snip)
All your other observations (snipped here for brevity) strike me as true.
I'm not so sure about "Yer Blues"; I'd tend to call it a slow 12/8 (four
beats, each subdivided into 3, like two bars of 6/8). Many blues songs
are in this rhythm, although they are sometimes written as 4/4 with
triplets or dotted rhythms on every beat. "Yer Blues" seems to be
following the general pattern established by traditional blues songs.
--
Aaron Bucky, Haverford College class of '97
Classics major - Beatles fan - living in the past
Aaron Bucky
> My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> other ones are 3/4?
"I Me Mine" is in 3/4 time (except for the chorus section, which is in a
bluesy 12/8 time).
My instinct about "YGTHHLA" (and maybe "Norwegian Wood" as well) would
be to call it 6/8 (*1* 2 3, _2_ 2 3, etc.) rather than 3/4 (*1* 2 3, *1* 2
3 , etc.).
Tom Hartman
"My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> other ones are 3/4?
> "
Most would consider the above two in 6/8 time. The difference is that in
3/4, there is a strong downbeat on the one, followed by two light beats,
as in the "fighting my friend" section of "We Can Work It Out."
6/8 generally has a far lighter beat on the 4, which is what you hear in
the above two numbers.
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amount of finesse." ---"Chinatown"
Mitchell Heldt
Aaron Bucky <abu...@haverford.edu> wrote in article
<abucky-0812...@leeds-157.resnet.haverford.edu>...
> In article <32AB1C...@bham.ac.uk>, sun1.bham.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> > your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> > other ones are 3/4?
>
> "I Me Mine" is in 3/4 time (except for the chorus section, which is in a
> bluesy 12/8 time).
> My instinct about "YGTHHLA" (and maybe "Norwegian Wood" as well) would
> be to call it 6/8 (*1* 2 3, _2_ 2 3, etc.) rather than 3/4 (*1* 2 3, *1*
2
> 3 , etc.).
>
Baby's In Black. I would say Hide Your Love.. and Norwegian are in 3/4,
not 6/8, because 6/8 is actually a 2 beat measure type of thing, where the
3's go by so fast you don't notice them. I'd nominate (Just Like) Starting
Over and Yes It Is for 6/8. Just MHO.
Julie
digiboy
Part of "We can Work it out" (for fussing and fighting my friend...)
--
You can't have everything, where would you put it?
-Steven Wright
Kevin
I Dig a Pony
Or is that 6/8?
Justin D. May
David Cheseldine <ches...@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
>your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
>other ones are 3/4?
Well, actually, I don't believe the Beatles really had a "true" 3/4
time song. The Beatles wern't very well educated and so, Ringo would
always play Bass-hat-hat Snare-hat-hat which basically spells out 6/8
time.You've got to hide your love away is 6/8, And Norwegian Wood is
acutally in 12/8 time.
If you want to hear a good example of REAL 3/4 time in rock music (and
I'm not trying to say the Doors are better than the Beatles), the
Doors (who are a group of very well educated musicians) play a lot of
it in their less well known songs.
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"Wooo" - Paul McCartney
"Ya Ya Ya" - John Lennon
"Dood 'n doo doo" - George Harrison
M.D.Warren
Pat Wigfull <pwig...@rideau.carleton.ca> wrote:
>David Cheseldine <ches...@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
>> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
>> other ones are 3/4?
>
>of Honey" seems to be 3/4.
>
>"Blackbird" (which switches time signatures a lot).
>
>with Diamonds" and "She's Leaving Home".
>
>Parts of "All You Need is Love" fall into 3/4 time, and of course the most
>obvious partial 3/4 time song is "Being for the Benefit of Mr.Kite" ("and
>of course Henry the Horse dances the waltz...")
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
> Patrick Wigfull
> Department of Biology, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
> E-mail: pwig...@ccs.carleton.ca
> WWW: http://www.carleton.ca/~pwigfull
>------------------------------------------------------------
ahh but is 'yer blues' in 3/4 time or 6/8 ?....I always thought the
blues was 6/8 time (dum de-dum de-dum de-dum de 1 1/2 + 1 1/2 +1+1+1)
ma...@ibm.net
In <32AB1C...@bham.ac.uk>, David Cheseldine <ches...@bham.ac.uk> writes:
>My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
>your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
>other ones are 3/4?
>
>
>Dave Cheseldine
The most famous one is 'Baby's In Black' and from Anthology 1 there is the first
recording of I'll Be Back (which was remade in 4/4 so the Beatles came up with
BIB for a 3/4 type song.
Steve
> >your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> >other ones are 3/4?
I, Me , Mine. Wait, is that 6/8, too?
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Testy
M.D.Warren wrote:
>
> Pat Wigfull <pwig...@rideau.carleton.ca> wrote:
> >David Cheseldine <ches...@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> >> your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> >> other ones are 3/4?
"Baby's in Black" -- John even introduces it at Shea Stadium with
the comment that it's a waltz.
Testy
digiboy
Wait, is that 6/8, too?
> --
> ****sporter****
Wait is in straight 4 but with some cool accents and stops.
Aaron Bucky
> I Dig a Pony
>
> Or is that 6/8?
I'm not entirely sure, but my instinct would be to call it 3/4.
John Sinclair
On 12/8/96 10:10PM, in message <32AB20...@online.no>, Björn-Anders
Haverstad <bah...@online.no> wrote:
> David Cheseldine wrote:
> >
> > My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> > your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> > other ones are 3/4?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dave Cheseldine
>
> How about I Me Mine from the Let It Be album?
*Most* of it, of course. Obviously the "I me me mine" part is not in 3/4!
--
John Sinclair
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And so their game goes on and on,
Big boys bickering,
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John Sinclair
On 12/9/96 09:45PM, in message <32AC6C...@MIT.EDU>, Testy <ecc...@MIT.EDU>
wrote:
>
> "Baby's in Black" -- John even introduces it at Shea Stadium with
> the comment that it's a waltz.
Isn't "Baby's in Black" in 6/8 time?
Michael Barrett
In article <32ABC8...@Traveller.COM>, spo...@traveller.com wrote:
> Justin D. May wrote:
> >
> > David Cheseldine <ches...@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >My 2 favourite Beatles songs, Norwegian Wood and Hey You've Got to Hide
> > >your Love Away are in 3/4 time. Can anybody tell me which, if any,
> > >other ones are 3/4?
>
Well, there was that early version of "I'll be Back Again" from Anthology 1
in 3/4 time.
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baritone
"insert pithy sig quote here"
Kevin
Oh, I forgot one.
The middle section of "She Said She Said" ("When I was a boy...")
RStLoup
She's Leaving Home
Alburger
I Me Mine
W A Vousden
Firstly, the 2 favourite songs you mentioned ("Norwegian Wood and
"You've Got To Hide...") are in 12/8 time not 3/4 time. "Baby's In
Black" is also in 12/8 as is "Oh Darling!" and the 'She's so Heavy' bit
of "I Want You". The verses of "I Me Mine" and "Lucy In The Sky..." are
3/4. Other 3/4 time songs include "She's Leaving Home", Yer Blues",
Long Long Long", "Dig It" and "Dig A Pony".
There may be more but that's all I can think of from the top of my
head.
Boon.
Richard Green
In article <59628m$p...@bignews.shef.ac.uk>,
W A Vousden <MBP9...@shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>Firstly, the 2 favourite songs you mentioned ("Norwegian Wood and
>"You've Got To Hide...") are in 12/8 time not 3/4 time. "Baby's In
>Black" is also in 12/8 as is "Oh Darling!"
"Oh Darling" I agree with. But "Baby's In Black" sounds like 6/8 to me.
If it's in 12/8 then that implies that "Oh Dear, What Can the Matter Be" is
in 12/8, and that sounds wrong.
A notable time signature you missed is "She Said She Said" which contains
sections which have I have seen described as 9/4. ("No no no, you're wrong,
when I was a boy... everything was right... everything was right" and back to
4/4.)
In a league of its own is "Good Morning, Good Morning" which is highly
irregular. A hobby of mine is "try to conduct GMGM". I'm still working on it.
Richard
OCEAN DIG
"A notable time signature you missed is "She Said She Said" which contains
sections which have I have seen described as 9/4. ("No no no, you're
wrong,
when I was a boy... everything was right... everything was right" and back
to
4/4.)"
You could describe songs like this, and others, many different ways, and
all would be correct. A composer is usually the last word on the issue,
for his particular work, but since The Beatles worked in the pop field,
all of us are left to interpret their work as best we can....
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)(SFForever)
Levitt110
I Will (?)
DJL
PeneeeLane
"This Boy"
cya,
PeneeeLane
David Goodwin
penee...@aol.com (PeneeeLane) wrote:
>"This Boy"
>
>
>cya,
>PeneeeLane
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine?
David
John Sinclair
On 12/25/96 06:23AM, in message
<19961225042...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Levitt110 <levi...@aol.com>
wrote:
> I Will (?)
>
> DJL
No, I Will is in 4/4 time.
Rod Carpenter
I Me Mine (verses)
Jay Rawley
BABYS IN BLACK
NORWEIGIEN WOOD
Jeffrey French
In <19961225042...@ladder01.news.aol.com> levi...@aol.com
(Levitt110) writes:
>
>I Will (?)
>
>DJL
"I WIll" is written in 2/4. Not 3/4.
The only Beatles songs I can think of offhand that are written in 3/4
are "She's Leaving Home", "I Me Mine" (for the most part), Most of
"Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds", and "This Boy".
But the Beatles mixed a lot of time signatures--- 3/4 appears in "All
YOu Need Is Love", "Mister Kite" (when Henry the Horse dances the
waltz), "Blackbird", "Fool On The Hill", "Happiness Is A Warm Gun",
etc.
sc...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
I Want You (?)
6/4 time I think (the ending)
OCEAN DIG
" Most of
"Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds", and "This Boy".
"This Boy" is not in 3/4 time...it has been correctly described as being
in 12/8, although John plays the rhythm guitar part as if the song were in
4/4. But 3/4? With strong downbeats on each "one," as in "Lucy," ---no.
OCEAN DIG.@aol.com
(T Hartman)(SFForever)
Frank
MBP9...@shef.ac.uk (W A Vousden) informed us:
>Firstly, the 2 favourite songs you mentioned ("Norwegian Wood and
>"You've Got To Hide...") are in 12/8 time not 3/4 time.
I once had a/girl or should I/say she once had/me (ins)
1 phrase 4 measures.
> "Baby's In
>Black" is also in 12/8 as is "Oh Darling!"
Baby's In Black is also 6/8
Oh dear/what can I do/baby's in black and/I'm feeling blue tell me/oh
what can I/ do (ins).
But, the tip off is in the:
oh how/long will it take/till she/sees the mistake she has/
bridge, which is 4 meas, not 2.
> and the 'She's so Heavy' bit
>of "I Want You". The verses of "I Me Mine" and "Lucy In The Sky..." are
>3/4.
Lucy is 4/4 with triplets, the drum intro into the chorus is a tip-off
to this.
> Other 3/4 time songs include "She's Leaving Home", Yer Blues",
>Long Long Long", "Dig It" and "Dig A Pony".
Yer Blues *is* 12/8. The count in is the tip off. You can hear that
the drum lead-in is on 4 (10-11-12). Count with the count in:
*1*(2-3)*2*(5-6)*3*(8-9)drums on 10-11-12.
edina
babies in black
lsd
i me mine
you got to hide your love away
bass of i want you
Walrus
On 17 Dec 1996, W A Vousden wrote:
# Firstly, the 2 favourite songs you mentioned ("Norwegian Wood and
# "You've Got To Hide...") are in 12/8 time not 3/4 time. "Baby's In
# Black" is also in 12/8 as is "Oh Darling!" and the 'She's so Heavy' bit
# of "I Want You". The verses of "I Me Mine" and "Lucy In The Sky..." are
# 3/4. Other 3/4 time songs include "She's Leaving Home", Yer Blues",
# Long Long Long", "Dig It" and "Dig A Pony".
Firstly a little rudimentary music theory lesson for the uninitiated.
In music we can have many different types of time signatures. We have
Simple time and Compound time. Simple time is where the beats are divided
into two pulses, and Compound time is where the beats are divided into
three pulses, each pulse being of equal length. A chart of the basic time
signatures can be drawn up as follows:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Beats per bar Type of beat Time signature Simple or Compound
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 semiquaver 2/16 Simple
3 semiquaver 3/16 Simple
4 semiquaver 4/16 Simple
2 quaver 2/8 Simple
3 quaver 3/8 Simple
4 quaver 4/8 Simple
2 crotchet 2/4 Simple
3 crotchet 3/4 Simple
4 crotchet 4/4 Simple
2 minim 2/2 Simple
3 minim 3/2 Simple
4 minim 4/2 Simple
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 dotted quaver 6/16 Compound
3 dotted quaver 9/16 Compound
4 dotted quaver 12/16 Compound
2 dotted crotchet 6/8 Compound
3 dotted crotchet 9/8 Compound
4 dotted crotchet 12/8 Compound
2 dotted minim 6/4 Compound
3 dotted minim 9/4 Compound
4 dotted minim 12/4 Compound
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
So we can see that the type of time (Simple or Compound) depends on how
the beats are divided - into two or three. For simple time, the top
number in the time signature indicates the number of beats. in Compound
^^^^^
time, the top number indicates the number of pulses. So we can have 3/4,
^^^^^^
being 3 beats per bar Simple time, which can be equivalent to any or all
of 9/16, 9/8, 9/4, all of these being 3 beats per bar (or 9 pulses
per bar, hence the 9 in the time signature) Compound time. In the same
way, 12/8 in Compound time can be 4/8, 4/4, or 4/2 in Simple time.
However, there is no way that 3/4 and 12/8 are equivalent. A look at the
number of beats per bar in each time signature will indicate that this is
so
The bottom number indicates the type of beat in Simple time, and the type
of pulse in Compound time. A table will explain this:
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Bottom number of Type of beat/pulse Type of beat/pulse
time signature (British) (American)
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16 semiquaver sixteenth note
8 quaver eighth note
4 crotchet quarter note
2 minim half note
---------------------------------------------------------------
I feel it is important to mention here that The Beatles played rock 'n'
roll, which is derived from blues. A lot of blues and jazz in 4/4 sounds
like it is in 12/8, due to the use of triplet quavers in place of two
straight quavers. That is just the way that blues was written. It
depends on the feel of the song, and also the style of the song. From the
songs listed above, I would categorise them as follows:
Song Time Signature
Norwegian Wood 12/8
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away 12/8
Baby's In Black 4/4
Oh! Darling 12/8
I Want You (She's So Heavy) - chorus 6/8 *
I Me Mine - verse 12/8
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 3/4
She's Leaving Home 3/4
Yer Blues 4/4 **
Long Long Long 3/4
Dig It 3/4
Dig A Pony 3/4
* I have put 6/8 here because following the bass line we get:
D E F G A E C B Bb C D A F E D ...
1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 ...
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
In 12/8 it would appear
D E F G A E C B Bb C D A F E D ...
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7...
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
so that the phrase starts again half-way through the third bar. The ^
indicates the strong pulse, or the beat.
** As the title suggests, Yer Blues is a blues song. Blues frequently
uses triplets in 4/4 so that it sounds like 12/8. But it is written in
4/4.
Sorry for the length of the post, but I felt it was necessary to explain
the concept of the time signature to qualify my post. Anyone who has done
music throey would understand what I was getting at.
Cheers,
Walrus.
Donavan S. Moye
>Firstly a little rudimentary music theory lesson for the uninitiated.
Wow. I didn't completely follow your post, but I found it fascinating
anyway! Thanks!
Cheryl/Bill Kinkaid
m...@loom.net.au
Verses to Lucy in the Sky...
I Me Mine
She's Leaving Home
and a glut of others in 6/8.
Amy
Wric
How about 'Good morning, Good morning' first two bars of verse one,
first bar of verse two etc.
puf...@iinet.net.au
> Cheryl/Bill Kinkaid wrote:
> >
> > f...@worldnet.att.net (Frank) wrote:
> >
> > How about "Yes it is?"
>
> Verses to Lucy in the Sky...
> I Me Mine
> She's Leaving Home
> and a glut of others in 6/8.
>
> Amy
Dig A Pony.
--
Charlie at Puffin
And if pain persists, take more.
Frank
m...@loom.net.au informed us:
>Cheryl/Bill Kinkaid wrote:
>>
>> f...@worldnet.att.net (Frank) wrote:
>>
>> How about "Yes it is?"
>Verses to Lucy in the Sky...
>I Me Mine
>She's Leaving Home
>and a glut of others in 6/8.
>Amy
I did not write that "Yes it is" was in 3/4.
Joe Mathis-lilley
Every other bar in the verses of 'All You Need is Love' is in 3/4.
Kain
It isn't anyway, it's in 12/8, as is This Boy. I Me Mine is I believe
in 6/8 rather than 3/4 but I could be wrong.
Jonathan Finder
Junk, although not a classic beatles cut, is in 3/4.
Jon
Kain
> being one who onlky dabbles in guitar playing, I have no sense of rythym.
> Could someone explain the difference between 3/4 and 6/8? How does one
> tell them apart just from listening to a song?
This is a bit technical, but 3/4 is three groups of two eighth notes while
6/8 is two groups of three eighth notes. If you listen carefully to how
often notes are emphasized (ie every two or every three) you should be able
to find out which it is, 3/4 or 6/8.
Kain
C S Tarnoff
Amaranth56
Don't mean to step on Kain's toes, but I'd like to give this a shot!
The difference between 3/4 time and 6/8 time is in the emphasis.
3/4 time has a feeling of 3 beats. 6/8 times has a feeling of 2 beats.
3/4 times has 3 beats per measure, with an emphasis in the first beat:
ONE two three | One two three
6/8 time has 2 beats per measure, each main beat divided into 3 beats:
ONE-and-a TWO-and-a ~or~ ONE two three FOUR five six
(slightly less emphasis on TWO ~or~ FOUR
I don't have the music, but I believe "I Me Mine" is in 3/4, while
"Oh! Darling" is in 6/8. This may help give you a feel for which is
which.