Some New Facts About Maureen Starkey
Marcus
when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the time. Theirs is what was
once called a "shotgun" wedding.
She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a bone
marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
transplant.
How she met Ringo: She was a Cavern groupie and had gone out with Johnny
Guitar from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, when Ringo was the drummer for
that group. She kissed Paul and Ringo on a dare one night after their show,
which Ringo doesn't recall or perhaps doesn't wish to recall, but he asked
her to dance at the Cavern one night.
The two shared one common but highly unlikely interest, hairdressing.
Believe it or not, Ringo dreamed of opening a string of hairdressing salons.
Not exactly a normal career goal for Mersey rockers of that era. When the
two met, Maureen was working in one.
They were married February 11, 1965 at Caxton Hall, Westminster. They had
been out of contact for some time while she stayed in Liverpool. They were
re-acquainted when Ringo had his tonsils removed, as Maureen was one of
thousands of fans who had requested possession of Ringo's tonsils after they
were surgically removed. Ringo gave them to Maureen.
Attendees at the wedding included: Brian Epstein (best man), parents of the
bride and groom, John and Cynthia Lennon, and George Harrison. Paul
declined to attend. This was during a break between their Christmas Show of
1964, which ended in January, and the recording of the Help! soundtrack
beginning four days later.
Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to get
pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early in their
career.
To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night when, during
a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison, George
announced he was in love with Maureen! It was rumored that Maureen and
George had an ongoing affair. As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
always a groupie."
Divorced: July 17, 1975 (Ringo freely admitted adultery with American model
Nancy Andrews)
Later marriages: Isaac Tigrett (millionaire of Hard Rock Cafe fame) on May
27, 1989
Children: Zak on September 13, 1965, Jason on August 19, 1967, and Lee on
November 17, 1970, Augusta b 1987
More Interesting Facts
Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal illness with
leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne three of
his children.
That's Maureen cheering at the end of Get Back (and when Paul says, "Thanks,
Mo.", he's referring to her).
Ringo went with the other Beatles to hear the Maharishi in Wales in August
1967 despite Maureen's giving birth to Jason at that very moment.
Marcus
BlackMonk
"Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:41237...@news.athenanews.com...
> Maureen Cox Starkey was born August 4, 1946 in Liverpool. She was only 18
> when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the time. Theirs is what was
> once called a "shotgun" wedding.
>
So was John's. Possibly some others too.
> She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a
bone
> marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> transplant.
>
And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
> How she met Ringo: She was a Cavern groupie and had gone out with Johnny
> Guitar from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, when Ringo was the drummer for
> that group. She kissed Paul and Ringo on a dare one night after their
show,
> which Ringo doesn't recall or perhaps doesn't wish to recall, but he asked
> her to dance at the Cavern one night.
>
And you know she was a groupie, and not just someone who went to see bands
at the Cavern, how?
> Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to get
> pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early in
their
> career.
>
And you know that's the only reason Ringo married her, how?
> To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night when,
during
> a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison, George
> announced he was in love with Maureen!
Marueen is responsible for George's emotions, how?
It was rumored that Maureen and
> George had an ongoing affair.
Do you believe everything you hear?
As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
> always a groupie."
Shall I repeat what some have said about you?
> More Interesting Facts
>
> Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal illness
with
> leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne three of
> his children.
>
And you know Maureen wanted him there, that they didn't have any
communication, and Ringo's reasons for not attending her funeral, how?
abby
> She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a
bone
> marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> transplant.
He probably would not have been a match anyway.
> Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal illness
with
> leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne three of
> his children.
News reports said that Ringo and her husband were at her side at the time
of her death.
Where did you get these "facts"?
Lizz Holmans
<notg...@donoteventry.com> wrote:
>Marcus wrote:
>
>
>> She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a
>bone
>> marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
>> transplant.
>
>He probably would not have been a match anyway.
In fact, husbands and wives are not usually allowed to donate blood to
each other, let alone bone marrow, because the wife becomes sensitized
to the husband's antibodies through body fluid contact. Check with
your local blood service/bone marrow service/ the American Red Cross,
Blood and Marrow Services for details, as TWIAVBP.
I lost a friend recently to leukemia/lymphoma. I wish that my death
will be as peaceful and pain-free as hers was. I *really* wish she
hadn't died, but it is how it is.
Why someone would want to dig up this mishmash of half-truths and
plain malice is beyond me.
Lizz 'And if it were on paper, it would soon be behind me' Holmans
--
Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana.
Marcus
"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:41237...@news.athenanews.com...
> > Maureen Cox Starkey was born August 4, 1946 in Liverpool. She was only
18
> > when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the time. Theirs is what
was
> > once called a "shotgun" wedding.
> >
>
> So was John's. Possibly some others too.
Has anyone suggested otherwise? What's your point, if any?
> > She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a
> bone
> > marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> > transplant.
> >
>
> And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
I never suggested he was or was not compatible. I merely pointed out that
he didn't even offer to find out. Read more carefully, please.
> > How she met Ringo: She was a Cavern groupie and had gone out with Johnny
> > Guitar from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, when Ringo was the drummer
for
> > that group. She kissed Paul and Ringo on a dare one night after their
> show,
> > which Ringo doesn't recall or perhaps doesn't wish to recall, but he
asked
> > her to dance at the Cavern one night.
> >
>
> And you know she was a groupie, and not just someone who went to see bands
> at the Cavern, how?
Because before she started dating Ringo, according to all the Beatles
history books, she only "dated" guys who were members of bands that
performed at the Cavern.
> > Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to get
> > pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early in
> their
> > career.
> >
>
> And you know that's the only reason Ringo married her, how?
Because Ringo has said in at least one interview over the years that he very
likely wouldn't have married Maureen had she not been pregnant.
> > To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night when,
> during
> > a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison, George
> > announced he was in love with Maureen!
>
> Marueen is responsible for George's emotions, how?
Oh I see, you want to portray Maureen as the innocent victim who shares no
responsibility for her affair with George. It takes two to tango, as they
say. You probably aren't old enough yet to understand such things. At
least that's how you come across on this newsgroup.
> It was rumored that Maureen and
> > George had an ongoing affair.
>
> Do you believe everything you hear?
Peter Brown was close enough to the Beatles to know about such things. Were
you?
> As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
> > always a groupie."
>
> Shall I repeat what some have said about you?
Please do so, although you won't be "repeating" anything; you will merely be
saying it for the first time. I suspect it will make you feel better.
> > More Interesting Facts
> >
> > Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal illness
> with
> > leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne three
of
> > his children.
> >
>
> And you know Maureen wanted him there, that they didn't have any
> communication, and Ringo's reasons for not attending her funeral, how?
I merely pointed out that he wasn't there at the hospital or at the funeral.
That much is a fact. You seem awfully defensive about Ringo's behavior.
Get a grip, pal.
the bee tells all
Your entire post had an accusatory tone.
BlackMonk
>
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:2ohditF...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:41237...@news.athenanews.com...
> > > Maureen Cox Starkey was born August 4, 1946 in Liverpool. She was
only
> 18
> > > when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the time. Theirs is what
> was
> > > once called a "shotgun" wedding.
> > >
> >
> > So was John's. Possibly some others too.
>
> Has anyone suggested otherwise? What's your point, if any?
That your claim that it was a "shotgun wedding" is unimportant.
>
> > > She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a
> > bone
> > > marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> > > transplant.
> > >
> >
> > And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
>
> I never suggested he was or was not compatible. I merely pointed out that
> he didn't even offer to find out. Read more carefully, please.
>
The fact is, you don't know what he offered, all you know is that no
transplant from him was done.
> > > How she met Ringo: She was a Cavern groupie and had gone out with
Johnny
> > > Guitar from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, when Ringo was the drummer
> for
> > > that group. She kissed Paul and Ringo on a dare one night after their
> > show,
> > > which Ringo doesn't recall or perhaps doesn't wish to recall, but he
> asked
> > > her to dance at the Cavern one night.
> > >
> >
> > And you know she was a groupie, and not just someone who went to see
bands
> > at the Cavern, how?
>
> Because before she started dating Ringo, according to all the Beatles
> history books, she only "dated" guys who were members of bands that
> performed at the Cavern.
>
Many women like dating musicians. She was going to the Cavern, the guys she
met were musicians from the Cavern. Seems like a reasonable place to meet
guys. Do you have a citation showing that she refused to date non-musicians?
> > > Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to get
> > > pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early in
> > their
> > > career.
> > >
> >
> > And you know that's the only reason Ringo married her, how?
>
> Because Ringo has said in at least one interview over the years that he
very
> likely wouldn't have married Maureen had she not been pregnant.
>
Sounds like he wasn't certain.
> > > To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night when,
> > during
> > > a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison, George
> > > announced he was in love with Maureen!
> >
> > Marueen is responsible for George's emotions, how?
>
> Oh I see, you want to portray Maureen as the innocent victim who shares no
> responsibility for her affair with George.
You didn't say they had an affair, you said George was in love with her.
Read what you wrote.
It takes two to tango, as they
> say. You probably aren't old enough yet to understand such things. At
> least that's how you come across on this newsgroup.
>
You come across as a mysogist asshole. I bet I'm closer to the truth than
you are.
> > It was rumored that Maureen and
> > > George had an ongoing affair.
> >
> > Do you believe everything you hear?
>
> Peter Brown was close enough to the Beatles to know about such things.
Were
> you?
>
You didn't say it was a fact. You said it was a rumor. Only assholes assume
rumors are correct.
> > As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
> > > always a groupie."
> >
> > Shall I repeat what some have said about you?
>
> Please do so, although you won't be "repeating" anything; you will merely
be
> saying it for the first time. I suspect it will make you feel better.
>
Is this an example of your reliability. You pretend you know what I will say
in the future.
> > > More Interesting Facts
> > >
> > > Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal
illness
> > with
> > > leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne three
> of
> > > his children.
> > >
> >
> > And you know Maureen wanted him there, that they didn't have any
> > communication, and Ringo's reasons for not attending her funeral, how?
>
> I merely pointed out that he wasn't there at the hospital or at the
funeral.
> That much is a fact. You seem awfully defensive about Ringo's behavior.
>
And as was pointed you, your "fact" is in dispute.
You really should see someone about your hostility toward women, trashing
Maureen and Patti in one week. It's just not fair, they got to marry Beatles
and you didn't, right?
BlackMonk
"the bee tells all" <thebe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >You seem awfully defensive about Ringo's behavior.
>
> Your entire post had an accusatory tone.
>
Manipulating facts to make a subject look bad without actually coming out
and saying anything is an old propaganda trick.
See. I just did exactly that. I didn't say the post that started this thread
was manipulative and a distortion of the truth, but someone reading this
thread would get the impression that I did.
Marcus
>
> "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:412394c6$1...@news.athenanews.com...
> >
> > "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:2ohditF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:41237...@news.athenanews.com...
> > > > Maureen Cox Starkey was born August 4, 1946 in Liverpool. She was
> only
> > 18
> > > > when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the time. Theirs is
what
> > was
> > > > once called a "shotgun" wedding.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So was John's. Possibly some others too.
> >
> > Has anyone suggested otherwise? What's your point, if any?
>
> That your claim that it was a "shotgun wedding" is unimportant.
John's marriage, as well as Ringo's and Paul's, were shotgun weddings. You
consider that "unimportant". Who cares what you consider important or
unimportant? I know I don't, and I suspect many others here don't. I
merely mentioned it as part of my narrative. What does your opinion of the
facts have to do with anything? Again, you're incredibly defensive about
Ringo's behavior.
> > > > She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite
a
> > > bone
> > > > marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> > > > transplant.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
> >
> > I never suggested he was or was not compatible. I merely pointed out
that
> > he didn't even offer to find out. Read more carefully, please.
>
> The fact is, you don't know what he offered, all you know is that no
> transplant from him was done.
The fact is you're hell-bent on defending Ringo's behavior no matter what
the facts are....and regardless of whether you have any familiarity with
those facts or not.
> > > > How she met Ringo: She was a Cavern groupie and had gone out with
> Johnny
> > > > Guitar from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, when Ringo was the
drummer
> > for
> > > > that group. She kissed Paul and Ringo on a dare one night after
their
> > > show,
> > > > which Ringo doesn't recall or perhaps doesn't wish to recall, but he
> > asked
> > > > her to dance at the Cavern one night.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know she was a groupie, and not just someone who went to see
> bands
> > > at the Cavern, how?
> >
> > Because before she started dating Ringo, according to all the Beatles
> > history books, she only "dated" guys who were members of bands that
> > performed at the Cavern.
> >
>
> Many women like dating musicians. She was going to the Cavern, the guys
she
> met were musicians from the Cavern. Seems like a reasonable place to meet
> guys. Do you have a citation showing that she refused to date
non-musicians?
Do you have a "citation" showing that she did, in fact, also date
non-musicians?
I thought not. Your debating style is as fraudulent as you're trying to
portray mine as.
>
> > > > Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to get
> > > > pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early
in
> > > their
> > > > career.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know that's the only reason Ringo married her, how?
> >
> > Because Ringo has said in at least one interview over the years that he
> very
> > likely wouldn't have married Maureen had she not been pregnant.
> >
>
> Sounds like he wasn't certain.
Sounds like you're finally admitting you were wrong. A good first step.
> > > > To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night when,
> > > during
> > > > a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison,
George
> > > > announced he was in love with Maureen!
> > >
> > > Marueen is responsible for George's emotions, how?
> >
> > Oh I see, you want to portray Maureen as the innocent victim who shares
no
> > responsibility for her affair with George.
>
> You didn't say they had an affair, you said George was in love with her.
> Read what you wrote.
Peter Brown said they had an affair. And somehow I suspect he's a wee bit
more informed on the subject than you are....or ever will be. Agreed?
> It takes two to tango, as they
> > say. You probably aren't old enough yet to understand such things. At
> > least that's how you come across on this newsgroup.
> >
>
> You come across as a mysogist asshole. I bet I'm closer to the truth than
> you are.
Obviously I was right about your lack of maturity. A "mysogist" asshole??
LOL!!!!!!!! You're not even old enough to understand the words you throw
around.
> > > It was rumored that Maureen and
> > > > George had an ongoing affair.
> > >
> > > Do you believe everything you hear?
> >
> > Peter Brown was close enough to the Beatles to know about such things.
> Were
> > you?
> >
> You didn't say it was a fact. You said it was a rumor. Only assholes
assume
> rumors are correct.
Peter Brown said it was a fact. And once again, I strongly suspect that
most of the people on this newsgroup will put more credence in his
statements than in yours, for obvious reasons. You're now falling into that
age-old trap so many people on rmb fall into when they know they're losing
an argument. They start name-calling.
> > > As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
> > > > always a groupie."
> > >
> > > Shall I repeat what some have said about you?
> >
> > Please do so, although you won't be "repeating" anything; you will
merely
> be
> > saying it for the first time. I suspect it will make you feel better.
> >
>
> Is this an example of your reliability. You pretend you know what I will
say
> in the future.
Obviously, you can't "repeat what some have said" about me, because you just
made that up to appear as though you know something. But in fact, you
don't. In short, you're getting desperate....and I suspect you know it.
> > > > More Interesting Facts
> > > >
> > > > Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal
> illness
> > > with
> > > > leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne
three
> > of
> > > > his children.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know Maureen wanted him there, that they didn't have any
> > > communication, and Ringo's reasons for not attending her funeral, how?
> >
> > I merely pointed out that he wasn't there at the hospital or at the
> funeral.
> > That much is a fact. You seem awfully defensive about Ringo's behavior.
> >
>
> And as was pointed you, your "fact" is in dispute.
>
> You really should see someone about your hostility toward women, trashing
> Maureen and Patti in one week. It's just not fair, they got to marry
Beatles
> and you didn't, right?
You should see someone...and soon...about your hostility toward people on
the internet whom you've never met. Calling someone an "asshole" because
they made you look foolish (by pointing out defects in your arguments)
indicates a very immature and defensive person who is easily flustered and
confused when he realizes he is losing an argument.
What's more, calling someone a "mysogist" asshole on the internet, for the
whole world to see, only serves to destroy whatever shred of credibility you
may have once had on this newsgroup. How does it feel?
Marcus
>
> "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:412394c6$1...@news.athenanews.com...
> >
> > "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:2ohditF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:41237...@news.athenanews.com...
> > > > Maureen Cox Starkey was born August 4, 1946 in Liverpool. She was
> only
> > 18
> > > > when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the time. Theirs is
what
> > was
> > > > once called a "shotgun" wedding.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So was John's. Possibly some others too.
> >
> > Has anyone suggested otherwise? What's your point, if any?
>
> That your claim that it was a "shotgun wedding" is unimportant.
John's marriage, as well as Ringo's and Paul's, were shotgun weddings. You
consider that "unimportant". Who cares what you consider important or
unimportant? I know I don't, and I suspect many others here don't. I
merely mentioned it as part of my narrative. What does your opinion of the
facts have to do with anything? Again, you're incredibly defensive about
Ringo's behavior.
> > > > She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite
a
> > > bone
> > > > marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> > > > transplant.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
> >
> > I never suggested he was or was not compatible. I merely pointed out
that
> > he didn't even offer to find out. Read more carefully, please.
>
> The fact is, you don't know what he offered, all you know is that no
> transplant from him was done.
The fact is you're hell-bent on defending Ringo's behavior no matter what
the facts are....and regardless of whether you have any familiarity with
those facts or not.
> > > > How she met Ringo: She was a Cavern groupie and had gone out with
> Johnny
> > > > Guitar from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, when Ringo was the
drummer
> > for
> > > > that group. She kissed Paul and Ringo on a dare one night after
their
> > > show,
> > > > which Ringo doesn't recall or perhaps doesn't wish to recall, but he
> > asked
> > > > her to dance at the Cavern one night.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know she was a groupie, and not just someone who went to see
> bands
> > > at the Cavern, how?
> >
> > Because before she started dating Ringo, according to all the Beatles
> > history books, she only "dated" guys who were members of bands that
> > performed at the Cavern.
> >
>
> Many women like dating musicians. She was going to the Cavern, the guys
she
> met were musicians from the Cavern. Seems like a reasonable place to meet
> guys. Do you have a citation showing that she refused to date
non-musicians?
Do you have a "citation" showing that she did, in fact, also date
non-musicians?
I thought not. Your debating style is as fraudulent as you're trying to
portray mine as.
>
> > > > Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to get
> > > > pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early
in
> > > their
> > > > career.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know that's the only reason Ringo married her, how?
> >
> > Because Ringo has said in at least one interview over the years that he
> very
> > likely wouldn't have married Maureen had she not been pregnant.
> >
>
> Sounds like he wasn't certain.
Sounds like you're finally admitting you were wrong. A good first step.
> > > > To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night when,
> > > during
> > > > a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison,
George
> > > > announced he was in love with Maureen!
> > >
> > > Marueen is responsible for George's emotions, how?
> >
> > Oh I see, you want to portray Maureen as the innocent victim who shares
no
> > responsibility for her affair with George.
>
> You didn't say they had an affair, you said George was in love with her.
> Read what you wrote.
Peter Brown said they had an affair. And somehow I suspect he's a wee bit
more informed on the subject than you are....or ever will be. Agreed?
> It takes two to tango, as they
> > say. You probably aren't old enough yet to understand such things. At
> > least that's how you come across on this newsgroup.
> >
>
> You come across as a mysogist asshole. I bet I'm closer to the truth than
> you are.
Obviously I was right about your lack of maturity. A "mysogist" asshole??
LOL!!!!!!!! You're not even old enough to understand the words you throw
around.
> > > It was rumored that Maureen and
> > > > George had an ongoing affair.
> > >
> > > Do you believe everything you hear?
> >
> > Peter Brown was close enough to the Beatles to know about such things.
> Were
> > you?
> >
> You didn't say it was a fact. You said it was a rumor. Only assholes
assume
> rumors are correct.
Peter Brown said it was a fact. And once again, I strongly suspect that
most of the people on this newsgroup will put more credence in his
statements than in yours, for obvious reasons. You're now falling into that
age-old trap so many people on rmb fall into when they know they're losing
an argument. They start name-calling.
> > > As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
> > > > always a groupie."
> > >
> > > Shall I repeat what some have said about you?
> >
> > Please do so, although you won't be "repeating" anything; you will
merely
> be
> > saying it for the first time. I suspect it will make you feel better.
> >
>
> Is this an example of your reliability. You pretend you know what I will
say
> in the future.
Obviously, you can't "repeat what some have said" about me, because you just
made that up to appear as though you know something. But in fact, you
don't. In short, you're getting desperate....and I suspect you know it.
> > > > More Interesting Facts
> > > >
> > > > Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal
> illness
> > > with
> > > > leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne
three
> > of
> > > > his children.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you know Maureen wanted him there, that they didn't have any
> > > communication, and Ringo's reasons for not attending her funeral, how?
> >
> > I merely pointed out that he wasn't there at the hospital or at the
> funeral.
> > That much is a fact. You seem awfully defensive about Ringo's behavior.
> >
>
> And as was pointed you, your "fact" is in dispute.
>
> You really should see someone about your hostility toward women, trashing
> Maureen and Patti in one week. It's just not fair, they got to marry
Beatles
> and you didn't, right?
You should see someone...and soon...about your hostility toward people on
MikeSo
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:2ohu3bF...@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:412394c6$1...@news.athenanews.com...
>>>
>>> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2ohditF...@uni-berlin.de...
>>>>
>>>> "Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:41237...@news.athenanews.com...
>>>>> Maureen Cox Starkey was born August 4, 1946 in Liverpool. She
>>>>> was only 18 when she married Ringo, who was almost 25 at the
>>>>> time. Theirs is what was once called a "shotgun" wedding.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So was John's. Possibly some others too.
>>>
>>> Has anyone suggested otherwise? What's your point, if any?
>>
>> That your claim that it was a "shotgun wedding" is unimportant.
>
> John's marriage, as well as Ringo's and Paul's, were shotgun
> weddings. You consider that "unimportant". Who cares what you
> consider important or unimportant? I know I don't, and I suspect
> many others here don't. I merely mentioned it as part of my
> narrative. What does your opinion of the facts have to do with
> anything? Again, you're incredibly defensive about Ringo's behavior.
>
Who was holding the gun at Paul's wedding? Although I've not heard any of
the Beatle marriages refered to as "shotgun weddings", it seems extremely
unlikely in Paul and Linda's case (while perhaps more plausible for John and
Ringos first marriages). Are there some book passages that make reference to
these or is this your own opinion/theory?
>>>>> She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994,
>>>>> despite a bone marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not
>>>>> offer a marrow transplant.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
>>>
>>> I never suggested he was or was not compatible. I merely pointed
>>> out that he didn't even offer to find out. Read more carefully,
>>> please.
>>
>> The fact is, you don't know what he offered, all you know is that no
>> transplant from him was done.
>
> The fact is you're hell-bent on defending Ringo's behavior no matter
> what the facts are....and regardless of whether you have any
> familiarity with those facts or not.
>
Where are the facts showing that Ringo didn't offer to be tested for
compatability for a bone marrow transpant? The fact that he didn't provide
a transplant doesn't necessarily translate into a fact of him not offering
or even being compatible.
Your criticizing Tom for defending Ringo while it would appear that you are
verbally attacking Ringo (with little hard evidence to back it up).
Another poster refuted that statement and claimed that both Ringo and
Maureens husband were bedside when she passed away. Hard to say, without
some type of proof (newspaper article, interview, etc) who is right.
What seems evident to me is that you are intent on attacking Ringos
character and are bristling at others attempts to come to his defense.
>>
>> And as was pointed you, your "fact" is in dispute.
>>
>> You really should see someone about your hostility toward women,
>> trashing Maureen and Patti in one week. It's just not fair, they got
>> to marry Beatles and you didn't, right?
>
> You should see someone...and soon...about your hostility toward
> people on the internet whom you've never met. Calling someone an
> "asshole" because they made you look foolish (by pointing out defects
> in your arguments) indicates a very immature and defensive person who
> is easily flustered and confused when he realizes he is losing an
> argument.
>
> What's more, calling someone a "mysogist" asshole on the internet,
> for the whole world to see, only serves to destroy whatever shred of
> credibility you may have once had on this newsgroup. How does it
> feel?
--
Thanks,
Mike
BlackMonk
That's your opinion, which is unimportant to me.
> > > > > She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994,
despite
> a
> > > > bone
> > > > > marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> > > > > transplant.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > And you know Ringo would be compatable, how?
> > >
> > > I never suggested he was or was not compatible. I merely pointed out
> that
> > > he didn't even offer to find out. Read more carefully, please.
> >
> > The fact is, you don't know what he offered, all you know is that no
> > transplant from him was done.
>
> The fact is you're hell-bent on defending Ringo's behavior no matter what
> the facts are....and regardless of whether you have any familiarity with
> those facts or not.
>
You're not giving any facts, you're giving your guesses and trying to pass
them off as facts.
I don't need one. You're the one who made the assertion.
> I thought not. Your debating style is as fraudulent as you're trying to
> portray mine as.
>
Fine, my point was that your claims to being factual were fraudulent. Since
you admit as much, we're in agreement.
> >
> > > > > Basically, Maureen was a Beatles groupie who was lucky enough to
get
> > > > > pregnant by, and thus become legally involved with, a Beatle early
> in
> > > > their
> > > > > career.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > And you know that's the only reason Ringo married her, how?
> > >
> > > Because Ringo has said in at least one interview over the years that
he
> > very
> > > likely wouldn't have married Maureen had she not been pregnant.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like he wasn't certain.
>
> Sounds like you're finally admitting you were wrong. A good first step.
>
You have a problem with reading comprehension, don't you.
> > > > > To many, this seemed like a wonderful marriage until one night
when,
> > > > during
> > > > > a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie and George Harrison,
> George
> > > > > announced he was in love with Maureen!
> > > >
> > > > Marueen is responsible for George's emotions, how?
> > >
> > > Oh I see, you want to portray Maureen as the innocent victim who
shares
> no
> > > responsibility for her affair with George.
> >
> > You didn't say they had an affair, you said George was in love with her.
> > Read what you wrote.
>
> Peter Brown said they had an affair. And somehow I suspect he's a wee bit
> more informed on the subject than you are....or ever will be. Agreed?
>
Again, YOU DIDN'T WRITE THAT THEY HAD AN AFFAIR. Nice slight of hand. When
someone calls you on your bullshit, pretend you said something else.
> > It takes two to tango, as they
> > > say. You probably aren't old enough yet to understand such things.
At
> > > least that's how you come across on this newsgroup.
> > >
> >
> > You come across as a mysogist asshole. I bet I'm closer to the truth
than
> > you are.
>
> Obviously I was right about your lack of maturity. A "mysogist" asshole??
> LOL!!!!!!!! You're not even old enough to understand the words you throw
> around.
>
Wow, a typo flame. But I bet you can become even more pathetic.
> > > > It was rumored that Maureen and
> > > > > George had an ongoing affair.
> > > >
> > > > Do you believe everything you hear?
> > >
> > > Peter Brown was close enough to the Beatles to know about such things.
> > Were
> > > you?
> > >
Were you?
> > You didn't say it was a fact. You said it was a rumor. Only assholes
> assume
> > rumors are correct.
>
> Peter Brown said it was a fact. And once again, I strongly suspect that
> most of the people on this newsgroup will put more credence in his
> statements than in yours, for obvious reasons. You're now falling into
that
> age-old trap so many people on rmb fall into when they know they're losing
> an argument. They start name-calling.
>
Peter Brown said a lot of things. In his book he said that Clive Epstein was
both older and younger than Brian.
As for name-calling, spare me your sanctimonious bullshit, since you're as
guilty of it as I am.
> > > > As some said at the time, "once a groupie,
> > > > > always a groupie."
> > > >
> > > > Shall I repeat what some have said about you?
> > >
> > > Please do so, although you won't be "repeating" anything; you will
> merely
> > be
> > > saying it for the first time. I suspect it will make you feel better.
> > >
> >
> > Is this an example of your reliability. You pretend you know what I will
> say
> > in the future.
>
> Obviously, you can't "repeat what some have said" about me, because you
just
> made that up to appear as though you know something.
Only what people have said about you on this newsgroup.
But in fact, you
> don't. In short, you're getting desperate....and I suspect you know it.
>
Desperate for entertainment, perhaps, since I've wasted several minute of my
life on you.
However, calling someone an asshole when they behave like one is not
uncommon behavior.
> What's more, calling someone a "mysogist" asshole on the internet, for the
> whole world to see, only serves to destroy whatever shred of credibility
you
> may have once had on this newsgroup. How does it feel?
>
Wow, you're really excited about that typo, aren't you?
Why should I care if I have any credibility with you or not? While we're on
the subject, when were you elected spokesman for the newsgroup so you could
make pronouncements about who does or doesn't have credibility?
Now go rant about Dylan. I'm sure the feeling you get when you do so makes
you very happy.
>
Lathom Gedge
> She died a painful death from leukemia on December 30, 1994, despite a
> bone marrow transplant from her son Zak. Ringo did not offer a marrow
> transplant.
Wasn't compatible.
> The two shared one common but highly unlikely interest, hairdressing.
> Believe it or not, Ringo dreamed of opening a string of hairdressing
> salons. Not exactly a normal career goal for Mersey rockers of that
> era. When the two met, Maureen was working in one.
You're full of shit.
the bee tells all
see, only serves to destroy whatever shred of credibility you may have once had
on this newsgroup.
Dismissing people because of typos isn't particularly credible or meaningful
either.
>How does it feel?
You tell me.
Marcus
> > calling someone a "mysogist" asshole on the internet, for the whole
world to
> see, only serves to destroy whatever shred of credibility you may have
once had
> on this newsgroup.
>
> Dismissing people because of typos isn't particularly credible or
meaningful
> either.
Believe me, that was no typo. He actually believes that is how the word is
spelled. That should give you some indication of this character's maturity
and mentality.
Scrinine
facts, or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
-Scrinine
"Marcus" <ex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<41237...@news.athenanews.com>...
BlackMonk
And here we have another example of this troll's psychotic-you can believe
thats a typo for psychic if you like-ability.
Marcus
Oh, stop your misogyst whining and grow up!!
bongo
> Why someone would want to dig up this mishmash of half-truths and
> plain malice is beyond me.
>
> Lizz 'And if it were on paper, it would soon be behind me' Holmans
My word, now there's a marketing idea: Twin-ply printer paper!
> Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana.
Yeah, well, that's easy for you to say...
cheers,
--bongo
Russ
Someone's not making sense.
Russ
> What's more, calling someone a "mysogist" asshole on the internet,
Bad spellers aren't necessarily stupid. But if they can't spell or make sense...
the bee tells all
either.
>Believe me, that was no typo. He actually believes that is how the word is
spelled. That should give you some indication of this character's maturity and
mentality.
I see no reason to "believe you." Unless proven otherwise, a typo is a typo.
Your assertions to the contrary indicate something of your own maturity and
mentality.
BlackMonk
Even if I were unable to spell misogynist, why would that indicate my
maturity or mentality? F. Scott Fitzgerald constantly misspelled "etc" and
he wrote what many people consider to be one of the defining novels of the
US. (Which isn't even his best novel, in my opinion)
Marcus
>
> "the bee tells all" <thebe...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040819162523...@mb-m05.aol.com...
> > >> Dismissing people because of typos isn't particularly credible or
> meaningful
> > either.
> >
> > >Believe me, that was no typo. He actually believes that is how the
word
> is
> > spelled. That should give you some indication of this character's
> maturity and
> > mentality.
> >
> > I see no reason to "believe you." Unless proven otherwise, a typo is a
> typo.
> > Your assertions to the contrary indicate something of your own maturity
> and
> > mentality.
> >
>
> Even if I were unable to spell misogynist, why would that indicate my
> maturity or mentality?
Why? Because you clearly like to throw around words that you don't even
understand, let alone are able to spell. You obviously went to a dictionary
after I pointed out your blunder, and now you come back here trying to give
the impression that you always knew how to spell misogynist....that it was
just a "typo" the first time. Uh-uh. There is absolutely no doubt that you
would have pronounced the word as "misogyst" (LOL!!) if you had previously
tried to impress someone by using it in conversation.
>F. Scott Fitzgerald constantly misspelled "etc" and
> he wrote what many people consider to be one of the defining novels of the
> US. (Which isn't even his best novel, in my opinion)
Ummm.....F. Scott Fitzgerald ya' ain't, pal. LOL!!!!!!
Although you've already destroyed whatever dignity you may have once had
here, do yourself a favor and stop digging your hole even deeper. You only
make yourself look more foolish, if that's even possible.
Marcus
> news:20040819162523...@mb-m05.aol.com...
> > >> Dismissing people because of typos isn't particularly credible or
> meaningful
> > either.
> >
> > >Believe me, that was no typo. He actually believes that is how the
word
> is
> > spelled. That should give you some indication of this character's
> maturity and
> > mentality.
> >
> > I see no reason to "believe you." Unless proven otherwise, a typo is a
> typo.
> > Your assertions to the contrary indicate something of your own maturity
> and
> > mentality.
> >
>
> Even if I were unable to spell misogynist, why would that indicate my
> maturity or mentality?
Why? Because you clearly like to throw around words that you don't even
understand, let alone are able to spell. You obviously went to a dictionary
after I pointed out your blunder, and now you come back here trying to give
the impression that you always knew how to spell misogynist....that it was
just a "typo" the first time. Uh-uh. There is absolutely no doubt that you
would have pronounced the word as "misogyst" (LOL!!) if you had previously
tried to impress someone by using it in conversation.
>F. Scott Fitzgerald constantly misspelled "etc" and
> he wrote what many people consider to be one of the defining novels of the
> US. (Which isn't even his best novel, in my opinion)
Ummm.....F. Scott Fitzgerald ya' ain't, pal. LOL!!!!!!
Although you've obviously already destroyed whatever dignity you may have
once had
Ehtue
As silly as posting the same message twice? ;-)
-Ehtue
Mister Charlie
solid reasons to debate, and other than amusement I have no business
jumping in here...but I KNOW without a doubt that he always knew how to
spell it, what it meant, and how to use it. He's not stupid, nor 16
years old, and we all make typos.
OK, carry on...
the bee tells all
> you clearly like to...
>you don't even understand...
>You obviously went...
>you come back here trying to...
>There is absolutely no doubt that you would have...
>you've obviously already...
You do a lot of mind-reading, don't you?
> stop digging your hole even deeper. You only make yourself look more foolish
Take a step back and try to see who is being foolish. If you are unable to see
it is you, I won't waste any more of your time.
Mister Bob
Uhm...Ahem! Awrite, look, I hate sayng this cuz Tom will offin get
yer gote, and other then thate I halve nuthin better to do I shouldn't
be barjing in hear...............BUTT i am absalutly sure that Tom
spels ti corectly. And whut it meens.
Fokes hes not raterted.
Hes the finnest speler in the grupe.
Awrite.
Curry onn.......
BlackMonk
My God, you are pathetic.
> >F. Scott Fitzgerald constantly misspelled "etc" and
> > he wrote what many people consider to be one of the defining novels of
the
> > US. (Which isn't even his best novel, in my opinion)
>
> Ummm.....F. Scott Fitzgerald ya' ain't, pal. LOL!!!!!!
>
I'm not your pal. The use of multiple exclamation marks is a sign that the
writer is unable to communicate his meaning through his words, and you
misspelled "you." You also showed that you're incapable of writing a
coherent English sentence, since there's no verb in the above.
Beatledude
LOL! This is just like that "Oh, it is so hip" thread from a while back.
bethvirgin...@gmail.com
Norbert K
frogyisdope
>
> Ringo did not visit Maureen in the hospital during her terminal illness with
> leukemia, nor did he attend her funeral despite her having borne three of
> his children.
>
R Kellog
> a gathering of Ringo, Maureen, and Pattie
>and George Harrison, George
> announced he was in love with Maureen!