Interesting John Lennon quote

[Fattuchus]

Gee, I wonder what he meant. John was smart not to elaborate.

"Show business is an extension of the jewish religion" -



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cev4q2bpVTw

[Frank from Deeeetroit]

Body language, once the reporter mentioned the writers name, John
started swiveling in his chair where Paul, George, and Ringo remained
strill. Sign of real nervousness. John knew he was on the spot.

Frank

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 7, 10:32 am, Frank from Deeeetroit <dadurwe...@voyager.net>
wrote:

Yes, but I admire the fact that he immediately "owned up" to
it . . . . and then refused to elaborate. I think John knew it was
an invitation to hang himself. Ms. Cleave was not always very smart.

[stuth...@comcast.net]

John wasn't too smart to have said it in the first place. Or thought
it in the first place.

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 7, 11:06 am, "stuthalb...@comcast.net"

<stuthalb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> John wasn't too smart to have said it in the first place.  Or thought
> it in the first place.

I agree . . . .He did tend to shoot off his mouth.

I was so curious, I looked up the article from the NY Times, July 3,
1966. It's the same article where John made his bigger than Jesus
remark.

Here is the quote, "Show business," they say, "Belongs to the Jews;
it's part of the Jewish religion."

Oy vey.

[The Lone Star]

It's true and that is a wonderful thing!

As a young child I was struck on a number of occasions by the
incredible number of entertainers who were Jewish!

Great communicators they are and one might even say.... chosen.

"All I can tell you is...
It's all show biz."

John Lennon in "Nobody Loves You When You're Down and Out"

[ttuerff]

The problem with print is that it doesn't convey sarcasm. I could see
where, depending on HOW he said it, he could have been "implying" the
word "almost," as in "It's (almost) part of the Jewish Religion." Then
again, maybe he just shot off his mouth.

TT

[M C hammered]

> TT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or huma. Like, the Yoke offin says it, things that SEEMIT like she's
belittlin John or the Beatles. But fokes, I sway ta Gob, its ALL
SARCASAM. OR HUMA. OR METPHOR.

Nuff said people

Nuff Goddang well cotton pickin said, ya gottit??

Nuff said

[Home Guard Chris]

Fattuchus wrote:
> Here is the quote, "Show business," they say, "Belongs to the Jews;
> it's part of the Jewish religion."

Not really much to go on in its own right. We could do with at least
some of the context.

(Also, is the "They say" part of the quote? And who is saying the "They
say"?)

--
My band: feedback always welcome
- www.thehomeguard.info/music.html

[Mack A. Damia]

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:08:05 +0000, Home Guard Chris
<cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:

>Fattuchus wrote:
>> Here is the quote, "Show business," they say, "Belongs to the Jews;
>> it's part of the Jewish religion."
>
>Not really much to go on in its own right. We could do with at least
>some of the context.
>
>(Also, is the "They say" part of the quote? And who is saying the "They
>say"?)

Curious about the brief interview that was posted in which John
refuses to explain what he meant.

Tends to put the comment in a negative light.

Just sayin'
--

[Home Guard Chris]

The "brief interview" can be seen in full here:

http://youtu.be/JGbBAGzB7dw

The "More popular than Jesus" article can be read here:

http://www.beatlesbible.com/1966/03/04/how-does-a-beatle-live-by-maureen-cleave/

Unless I've gone wrong somewhere, the comments about show business do
not originate from that Maureen Cleave piece (which was recycled - and,
frankly, twisted - months later for US consumption). So where do they
come from? I'd really like to see them in their original context.

(They could easily be an in-joke at the expense of Brian Epstein, for
instance.)

[Mack A. Damia]

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:44:15 +0000, Home Guard Chris

John went to great lengths to explain his "Jesus Christ" comment, so
it is a mystery why he wouldn't explain what he meant. I suppose it
could be taken either way - positive or negative. Many Jews are
talented people, and so are many Gentiles.
--

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 7, 3:03 pm, ttuerff <ttue...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's true . . . but I also think it's important to read the whole
article. IIRC, this is the infamous article where John reportedly
said the Beatles were bigger than Jesus and he did not know which
would go first, Christianity or rock. The article is pretty lengthy
and much of it has a smug attitude. It seems as if the journalist, Ms.
Cleave, was writing a piece with a certain anti establishment,
rebellious flavor to demystify the Beatles and make them less cute.
Supposedly she was friendly with John. Looking back, I don't know why
she would write such a thing . . . . it certainly was not
good PR.

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 7, 5:08 pm, Home Guard Chris

<contac...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
> Fattuchus wrote:
> > Here is the quote, "Show business," they say, "Belongs to the Jews;
> > it's part of the Jewish religion."
>
> Not really much to go on in its own right. We could do with at least
> some of the context.
>
> (Also, is the "They say" part of the quote? And who is saying the "They
> say"?)

"They" refers to the Beatles. The article uses "they."

[Fattuchus]

That's so sweet.

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 7, 6:56 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:44:15 +0000, Home Guard Chris
>
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> <contac...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
> >Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:08:05 +0000, Home Guard Chris

> >> <contac...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info>  wrote:

>
> >>> Fattuchus wrote:
> >>>> Here is the quote, "Show business," they say, "Belongs to the Jews;
> >>>> it's part of the Jewish religion."
>
> >>> Not really much to go on in its own right. We could do with at least
> >>> some of the context.
>
> >>> (Also, is the "They say" part of the quote? And who is saying the "They
> >>> say"?)
>
> >> Curious about the brief interview that was posted in which John
> >> refuses to explain what he meant.
>
> >> Tends to put the comment in a negative light.
>
> >> Just sayin'
>
> >The "brief interview" can be seen in full here:
>
> >http://youtu.be/JGbBAGzB7dw
>
> >The "More popular than Jesus" article can be read here:
>

> >http://www.beatlesbible.com/1966/03/04/how-does-a-beatle-live-by-maur...

>
> >Unless I've gone wrong somewhere, the comments about show business do
> >not originate from that Maureen Cleave piece (which was recycled - and,
> >frankly, twisted - months later for US consumption). So where do they
> >come from? I'd really like to see them in their original context.
>
> >(They could easily be an in-joke at the expense of Brian Epstein, for
> >instance.)
>
> John went to great lengths to explain his "Jesus Christ" comment, so
> it is a mystery why he wouldn't explain what he meant.  I suppose it
> could be taken either way - positive or negative.  Many Jews are
> talented people, and so are many Gentiles.
> --

I am taking a guess here . . . but looking at the brief interview that
appeared on youtube, I suspect that the Beatles had just been slapped
around by the press about his Jesus remark, and they were not happy.
John was not in the mood to get embroiled in another controversy.
Indeed on the yutube interview, one can hear a voice that sounds like
Ringo's pleading, "C'mon John . . . ."

[brilton]

On 8/02/12 7:44 AM, Home Guard Chris wrote:


> The "More popular than Jesus" article can be read here:
>
> http://www.beatlesbible.com/1966/03/04/how-does-a-beatle-live-by-maureen-cleave/

What a bizarre article. I'd never read the whole thing before. Lennon
comes across as a spoilt rich kid/man-child, surrounded by toys and
gadgets he doesn't even want, uttering a string of strange and inane
comments. Some of the other quotes I found intriguing:

"Julian is three; he may be sent to the Lycde in London. 'Seems the only
place for him in his position,' said his father, surveying him
dispassionately. 'I feel sorry for him, though. I couldn't stand ugly
people even when I was five. *Lots of the ugly ones are foreign, aren't
they?*'"

"'Physically lazy,' he said. 'I don't mind writing or reading or
watching or speaking, but sex is the only physical thing I can be
bothered with any more.' "

"He has a morbid horror of stupid people: 'Famous and loaded as I am, I
still have to meet soft people. It often comes into my mind that I'm not
really rich. There are really rich people but I don't know where they are.'"

"'They keep telling me I'm all right for money but then I think I may
have spent it all by the time I'm 40 so I keep going.'"

"'You see, there's something else I'm going to do, something I must do -
only I don't know what it is. That's why I go round painting and taping
and drawing and writing and that, because it may be one of them. All I
know is, this isn't it for me.'"

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 8, 1:11 am, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
> On 8/02/12 7:44 AM, Home Guard Chris wrote:
>
> > The "More popular than Jesus" article can be read here:
>

> >http://www.beatlesbible.com/1966/03/04/how-does-a-beatle-live-by-maur...

>
> What a bizarre article. I'd never read the whole thing before. Lennon
> comes across as a spoilt rich kid/man-child, surrounded by toys and
> gadgets he doesn't even want, uttering a string of strange and inane
> comments. Some of the other quotes I found intriguing:
>
> "Julian is three; he may be sent to the Lycde in London. 'Seems the only
> place for him in his position,' said his father, surveying him
> dispassionately. 'I feel sorry for him, though. I couldn't stand ugly
> people even when I was five. *Lots of the ugly ones are foreign, aren't
> they?*'"
>
> "'Physically lazy,' he said. 'I don't mind writing or reading or
> watching or speaking, but sex is the only physical thing I can be
> bothered with any more.' "
>
> "He has a morbid horror of stupid people: 'Famous and loaded as I am, I
> still have to meet soft people. It often comes into my mind that I'm not
> really rich. There are really rich people but I don't know where they are.'"
>
> "'They keep telling me I'm all right for money but then I think I may
> have spent it all by the time I'm 40 so I keep going.'"
>
> "'You see, there's something else I'm going to do, something I must do -
> only I don't know what it is. That's why I go round painting and taping
> and drawing and writing and that, because it may be one of them. All I
> know is, this isn't it for me.'"

Yes, it was a strange article . . . the antithesis of good PR. The
one from the July 1966 New York Times
by Cleave is similar but it mentions all the Beatles and it's not
quite as extreme.

But I do think John was speaking from the heart when he said he wanted
to pursue other things. He was
getting tired of being a Beatle.

[brilton]

Another part makes me wonder. The gorilla suit. (*Only* worn it twice
already?)

"'I thought I might need a gorilla suit,' he said; he seemed sad about
it. 'I've only worn it twice. I thought I might pop it on in the summer
and drive round in the Ferrari. We were all going to get them and drive
round in them but I was the only one who did"

Three weeks after the Maureen Cleave interview, the four Beatles did an
interview for Radio Caroline. At one point Paul mention people wearing
gorilla suits as some kind of decoy. Here's the relevant transcript:


******

Interviewer: Is it true, Paul and John, that you have ghost writers to
write the songs for you?

John: Oh yeah. We've got Gershwin and Trotsky. They write the first four.

Paul: And Lennin and Blavatsky writes the lyrics.

John: Yeah.

Paul: Two of the best selling lyric writers in the country.

John: We just do the PR for the boys, you know.

Paul: Yeah we just do appearances in our moptops, you know.

Interviewer. Yes. It's a hard life, isn't it?

Paul: Yeah, well, it's very hard, but you just sort of - wander round.
We've got doubles for most of that as well.

John: And we've got people that look like Elvis Presley too in our camp
as well. So as that he's no trouble to us, you see.

Paul: And people who look like gorillas, so that when people see 'em
they think "Aha, (that's us)(?) dressed up as gorillas". But it never is.

Interviewer: Right.

John: All this is going on to confuse the mind, you see, while we're
getting away from the assausated(?) object.

Paul: And working on our equipment for the ultimate good of humankind.


******


I think the idea of four Beatles going about incognito in gorilla suits
would have been hysterical. Imagine a scene in the film "A Hard Day's
Night" where they escape the fans because they're dressed as gorillas.
And the would've have the drop on the Monkees by one or two years.

[abe slaney]

On Feb 8, 1:11 am, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:

I didn't find it that bizarre. Most of it was stuff I would have
expected to hear from Lennon at that time. The "lots of the ugly ones
are foreign" was the only comment that made me cringe. But, who knows
what he meant by that? Typically crass Lennonism..but what was
"foreign" to JL anyway? We can hardly accuse him of racism as he
married one of them foreigners three years later. The rest seemed like
standard ca. 66 Lennon. I was most struck by his instinct that told
him he should be doing something more than being a pop star. But as it
turned out, it wasn't drawing or painting or writing that made him
great. It was just being a pop star with something meaningful to say.

[Fattuchus]

IMO there were a number of things that made John "great."

I don't think he was a particularly talented artist as far as drawing
or painting even though some of his doodles are interesting and
appealing.

I agree that one of John's wonderful achievements was the fact that he
had something meaningful to say. I also think he had a great sense of
humor, was a sincere humanitarian (in spite of mistakes and personal
flaws),
and had a charismatic personality. John would say things that others
might hesitate to even think. His uninhibited bluntness could be one
his worst and best traits.

[brilton]

On 8/02/12 4:25 PM, abe slaney wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:11 am, brilton<notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
>
> I didn't find it that bizarre. Most of it was stuff I would have
> expected to hear from Lennon at that time.

I'm really talking about his behaviour and attitude here. You seem to
want to give him a "free pass" simply because he's Lennon. But I see a
married father of a small child, drifting dispassionately through his
life, detached from responsibility, splurging heaps of money on all
kinds of toys - from blinking boxes through to expensive cars he could
barely drive, let alone understand.,

Like Brian Wilson around the same time, because he's a successful
"artist", his behaviour is excused and even enabled by those around him.
But if you or I were to behave in this manner, it wouldn't be long
before a spouse or a family member would say "Hey come on, get a grip
will you? Stop piss-farting about and get a real job".

[Fattuchus]

On Feb 8, 8:23 pm, brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
> On 8/02/12 4:25 PM, abe slaney wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 1:11 am, brilton<notl...@yacht.net>  wrote:
>
> > I didn't find it that bizarre. Most of it was stuff I would have
> > expected to hear from Lennon at that time.
>
> I'm really talking about his behaviour and attitude here. You seem to
> want to give him a "free pass" simply because he's Lennon. But I see a
> married father of a small child, drifting dispassionately through his
> life, detached from responsibility, splurging heaps of money on all
> kinds of toys - from blinking boxes through to expensive cars he could
> barely drive, let alone understand.,

I agree with you . . . . but was John really very different from many
other men who were "forced" to marry a pregnant girlfriend at an
immature age? Many recent bios that I have read indicate that John
really did not want to get married or settle down at the age of 22
with a baby, but he did it because it was the "right thing to do,"
especially back in 1962.

As far as splurging on expensive toys, cars, etc. . . . .yes, that
behavior is sad, but I've seen that all the time. Not all men are the
same, of course, but buying the latest electronic "chachkas" seems to
be a male thing, just like some women splurge on lipsticks or handbags
or shoes. IMO sometimes people do that because they are bored or
because they feel as if something is missing in their lives.

When I read an article like the one about Lennon, I get the impression
that he was an unhappy person who, at the time, was drifting aimlessly
and who knew he wanted to do something else. He had not found himself
yet. Money really can't buy happiness.

[Frank from Deeeetroit]

True.

[stupidaut...@gmail.com]

Show business requires two things. Brains and Creativity. Jews excel in both.
Check out another manifestation: Nobel Prizes. Jews comprise about about .2% of the population, but 20+ percent of nobel prize winners. over represented by 100 to 1.

and the reason: 1500 years of selection by gentiles who killed off the bottom 5 or 10% --- the ones not smart enough to see / avoid the coming killing

[Pudgy the Bear and Jasper]

On 2018-06-03 21:29:41 +0000, stupidaut...@gmail.com said:

>> "Show business is an extension of the jewish religion"

Since this quote is being promoted by such sites as newsforwhites.com,
anyone thinking that this somehow represented anything more than "Troll
John" knows nothing about Lennon, and can please go fuck himself.