The most underrated band of British Invasion
zepf...@yahoo.com
They never get that much respect these days... they are thought of as
the starting point for three great guitarist... but the fact is they
had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who, The Rolling
Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
RichL
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The Yardbirds are great. But I don't agree that they're underrated.
Keith Relf had a fantastic vocal style, Paul Samwell-Smith was a pretty
darned good bassist. I don't think anyone who listened to them carefully
would underrate them.
The rest of your claims are the usual exaggerations.
freshfeces
I couldn't agree more. They were a fantastic outfit that didn't get
the coverage they deserved. They were rockin' hard before any of your
aboved mentions.
t...@aerovons.com
Most underrated band to me is the DC5...
TH
BlackMonk
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The Yardbirds, The Kinks and The Zombies are all pretty highly rated and
shouldn't be considered here.
The DC5 is a good choice, but I'd go with The Searchers. Aside from the
hits, they were doing stuff that bordered on psychedelia musically by the
end of 1964 (He's Got No Love, You Can't Lie To A Liar), they anticipated
folk rock, and they put out a strong album as late as 1977. (arguably better
than anything that came from the major British Invasion bands that year.)
RichL
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Maybe history has neglected them, except for Clapton, Beck and Page and for
the fact that they were the precursor to Led Zeppelin, but they certainly
weren't underrated during the time they existed.
RichL
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I would also rate the Searchers higher than the Dave Clark Five, and I'd
rate the Zombies higher also. I thought Manfred Mann was very good too.
Jeff
> On Jul 10, 12:05 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Should be The Yardbirds...
>
> > They never get that much respect these days... they are thought of as
> > the starting point for three great guitarist... but the fact is they
> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who, The Rolling
> > Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
>
> I couldn't agree more. They were a fantastic outfit that didn't get
> the coverage they deserved.
What critera are you using, to say this? Source please. LOL
They were rockin' hard before any of your
> aboved mentions.
Yeah, well Paul Revere and the Raiders were underrated..because I said
so..and I interviewed most people on this planet to know. :-)
BlackMonk
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> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>> The Yardbirds, The Kinks and The Zombies are all pretty highly rated and
>> shouldn't be considered here.
>>
>> The DC5 is a good choice, but I'd go with The Searchers. Aside from the
>> hits, they were doing stuff that bordered on psychedelia musically by the
>> end of 1964 (He's Got No Love, You Can't Lie To A Liar), they anticipated
>> folk rock, and they put out a strong album as late as 1977. (arguably
>> better
>> than anything that came from the major British Invasion bands that year.)
>
I'd say they were later. I think of British invasion as being the Merseybeat
and R&B scenes, along with any contemporaries that didn't quite fit in with
either. The Move started out as Psychedelic pop (Night Of Fear), which was
the thing after the British Invasion. Unless you want to consider Creation
and John's Children Mod, which would make Psychedelic Pop two things after.
Maybe the early Who singles would be the cut-off point.
Jeff
> "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
I would rate the Guess who from Canada higheriest.
yes pink van led black rock!
> "freshfeces" <freshfe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yes I am talking about how history has neglected them. I am talking
about our times!
bottl...@gmail.com
> Maybe history has neglected them, except for Clapton, Beck and Page and for
> the fact that they were the precursor to Led Zeppelin, but they certainly
> weren't underrated during the time they existed.
They probably are more highly regarded now than they were at the time.
For much of the latter sixties the ability to play the blues was
regarded as a certificate of credibility.
A comment about the Yardbirds from one of the real bluesmen who saw
them play in the US was that 'they want to play the blues so bad - and
they play the blues so bad'. can't recall who this was but I think it
was someone like Muddy Waters or BB King.
of course what the Yardbirds were doing - even if they didn't quite
realise it themselves at the time - was taking the blues and turning
it into the template for hard rock.
They were innovative players, in that way. Very innovative. They
lacked two things though: a really great songwriter and a first-rate
lead vocalist. Relf is OK as a singer, but he's hardly in the class
of, say, Steve Marriott or Mick Jagger or Roger Daltry.
BlackMonk
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> On Jul 11, 11:02 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe history has neglected them, except for Clapton, Beck and Page and
>> for
>> the fact that they were the precursor to Led Zeppelin, but they certainly
>> weren't underrated during the time they existed.
>
> They probably are more highly regarded now than they were at the time.
> For much of the latter sixties the ability to play the blues was
> regarded as a certificate of credibility.
>
> A comment about the Yardbirds from one of the real bluesmen who saw
> them play in the US was that 'they want to play the blues so bad - and
> they play the blues so bad'. can't recall who this was but I think it
> was someone like Muddy Waters or BB King.
>
Sonny Boy Williamson.
O'Leary
> Sonny Boy Williamson.
The Flaming Astucias
Salvador Astucia
> Most underrated band to me is the DC5...
I agree.
Barrabas
You can probably add The Pretty Things, and The Who if you mean America,
until they had a hit.
In that small time frame from about 1965 onwards, I fail to see how
The Yardbirds were ahead of their time. The most interesting thing
about them is the influences they had, perhaps The Electric Prunes, and
countless songs by others I've heard.
BlackMonk
> Invasion" at times. And there's a recurrent idea that there was a
> second "British Invasion" in the last few years of the decade, when
> the harder, bluesier stuff entered.
So, what? The Move fell between British Invasions? How would you define the
term?
BlackMonk
> "BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>> > Well, I think I've even seen Led Zeppelin described as "British
>> > Invasion" at times. And there's a recurrent idea that there was a
>> > second "British Invasion" in the last few years of the decade, when
>> > the harder, bluesier stuff entered.
>>
>> So, what? The Move fell between British Invasions? How would you define
>> the
>> term?
>
> myself.
No argument there, but if the subject is the most underrated band of the
British Invasion, we need to work with some kind of definition.
A "genre" determined by time and the country of origin more
> than musical style doesn't seem too useful to me. But it appears
> that UK bands arriving at any point between 1962 and 1969 have been
> described as "British Invasion" at some time or another.
Perhaps, though I really think defining it as The Beatles and the immediate
post-Beatles bands is the more common definition, with it coming in two
waves; First, there was The Beatles and the other Liverpool groups. The
second wave was the Kinks, Stones, Yardbirds, and Who.
I don't doubt that you've seen Led Zepplin described as part of the British
Invasion, but I'd guess that most people who use that term wouldn't agree.
By that time, you couldn't say that the charts (whichever chart you're
using) were overwhelmingly filled with British acts, which I'd think would
be a prerequisite for a British Invasion, whatever you're talking about
would have to be predominantly British. The 80s were often described as a
second British Invasion at the time for that reason. British acts dominated
the US more than they had since the sixties. (That's what they said. I
haven't looked it up.) So maybe the most underrated band of the British
Invasion is ABC.
O'Leary
> I don't doubt that you've seen Led Zepplin described as part of the British
> Invasion, but I'd guess that most people who use that term wouldn't agree.
It's like the term "baby boomer". Since it was first used, the years of
a member's birth have expanded.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> "poisoned rose" <shootingfishinabar...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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Forget Zep, wiki says Yes and Floyd were also British Invasion...
>From wiki, the early British Invasion (I do not endorse this... so
stop trolling me on this list)
The Animals
The Beatles
The Bee Gees
Black Sabbath
Dave Berry
The Birds
Cilla Black
Cat Stevens
Chad and Jeremy
Petula Clark
Cream
The Creation
Crispian St. Peters
David Bowie
Deep Purple
The Dave Clark Five
Donovan
The Downliners Sect
Elton John
Fleetwood Mac
Freddie and the Dreamers
Genesis
Georgie Fame
Gerry & the Pacemakers
Graham Bond
Graham Nash
Herman's Hermits
The Hollies
The Honeycombs
Humble Pie
The Jeff Beck Group
Jethro Tull
Davy Jones (actor) of The Monkees
King Crimson
The Kinks
Billy J. Kramer with The Dakotas
Led Zeppelin
Long John Baldry
Lulu
Manfred Mann
Marianne Faithfull
The Mindbenders
The Moody Blues
The Move
The Nashville Teens
Peter & Gordon
Pink Floyd
The Pretty Things
Procol Harum
Cliff Richard
The Rolling Stones
Sandie Shaw
The Searchers
The Shadows
Shirley Bassey
Slade
The Small Faces
The Spencer Davis Group
Dusty Springfield
Status Quo
The Swinging Blue Jeans
T.Rex
Them
The Tornados
Traffic
Tom Jones
The Tremeloes
The Troggs
Unit 4 + 2
Uriah Heep
The Walker Brothers
The Who
The Yardbirds
Yes
zepf...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Zombies had better melodies than Beatles, Association, Beach Boys, Bee
Gees, ABBA, Moody Blues etc. If they lasted longer probably they would
get more respect.
RichL
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Well I guess since Canada's technically part of the British Commonwealth,
their bands should count as British Invasion :-)
O'Leary
> Forget Zep, wiki says Yes and Floyd were also British Invasion...
>
>>From wiki, the early British Invasion (I do not endorse this... so
> stop trolling me on this list)
Wiki don't know shit.
O'Leary
> Zombies had better melodies than Beatles, Association, Beach Boys, Bee
> Gees, ABBA, Moody Blues etc. If they lasted longer probably they would
> get more respect.
They get plenty of respect.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> "Jeff" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Well then AC/DC is British Invasion
jim...@aol.com
> had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who
How do you figure? Many great songs? Most were covers. Don't get me
wrong, The Yardbirds were a great band (especially the Beck era). But
The Who rocked harder. And live rocked louder. They were the first
band to use Marshall Stacks. Before Cream, before Hendrix. Listen to
The Who's first album in 1965 and then The Yardbirds Having A Rave Up.
The Who's song "The Ox" just might be the heaviest song ever recorded
up to that point. Though when you get down to it, this is all mute.
The Who were not part of the British Invasion, at least the one your
talking about. They didn't tour the states until almost 2 1/2 years
after. Oh, and by the way, The Yardbirds are my second favorite group.
zepf...@yahoo.com
> On Jul 10, 2:05?pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Should be The Yardbirds...
> the fact is they
> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who
>
> How do you figure? Many great songs? Most were covers. Don't get me
> wrong, The Yardbirds were a great band (especially the Beck era). But
> The Who rocked harder. And live rocked louder. They were the first
> band to use Marshall Stacks. Before Cream, before Hendrix. Listen to
> The Who's first album in 1965 and then The Yardbirds Having A Rave Up.
> The Who's song "The Ox" just might be the heaviest song ever recorded
> up to that point. Though when you get down to it, this is all mute.
Cant disagree more with a moron who cannot spell "moot"
> The Who were not part of the British Invasion, at least the one your
> talking about. They didn't tour the states until almost 2 1/2 years
> after. Oh, and by the way, The Yardbirds are my second favorite group.
The Ox is pretty loud... the rest of the album is pretty wuss though.
The Yardbirds were a great live band (probably better than The Who).
And Jeff Beck started smashing guitars first.
BlackMonk
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> On Jul 11, 8:25 pm, jimz...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 2:05?pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> > Should be The Yardbirds...
>> the fact is they
>> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
>> > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who
>>
>> How do you figure? Many great songs? Most were covers. Don't get me
>> wrong, The Yardbirds were a great band (especially the Beck era). But
>> The Who rocked harder. And live rocked louder. They were the first
>> band to use Marshall Stacks. Before Cream, before Hendrix. Listen to
>> The Who's first album in 1965 and then The Yardbirds Having A Rave Up.
>> The Who's song "The Ox" just might be the heaviest song ever recorded
>> up to that point. Though when you get down to it, this is all mute.
>
> Cant disagree more with a moron who cannot spell "moot"
As opposed to one who can't use apostrophes?
>> The Who were not part of the British Invasion, at least the one your
>> talking about. They didn't tour the states until almost 2 1/2 years
>> after. Oh, and by the way, The Yardbirds are my second favorite group.
>
> The Ox is pretty loud... the rest of the album is pretty wuss though.
> The Yardbirds were a great live band (probably better than The Who).
> And Jeff Beck started smashing guitars first.
>
How do you figure? He smased one in the movie Blow Up because the scene was
written with The Who in mind and the smashed guitar was the whole point of
the scene.
t...@aerovons.com
> <t...@aerovons.com> wrote in message
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> news:1184100958.9...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 4:21 pm, freshfeces <freshfe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> >> > Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
>
> >> I couldn't agree more. They were a fantastic outfit that didn't get
> >> the coverage they deserved. They were rockin' hard before any of your
> >> aboved mentions.
>
> > Most underrated band to me is the DC5...
>
> The Yardbirds, The Kinks and The Zombies are all pretty highly rated and
> shouldn't be considered here.
>
> The DC5 is a good choice, but I'd go with The Searchers. Aside from the
> hits, they were doing stuff that bordered on psychedelia musically by the
> end of 1964 (He's Got No Love, You Can't Lie To A Liar), they anticipated
> folk rock, and they put out a strong album as late as 1977. (arguably better
> than anything that came from the major British Invasion bands that year.)
I liked the Searchers, here and there, but they had nowhere near the
consistent songwriting quality of the DC5, nor a voice like Mike
Smiths. And The DC5 were the first group to slam the radio with drums
you could actually hear. Their sound was just immense. Epic. That HUGE
kick drum at the end of "Glad All Over" was something you just didn't
hear....much less Dave's rat-ta-ta triplet fills as a signature. They
might arguably have made the first power pop single, years before the
term was applied to Journey and the like, with "Anyway You Want It."
What is amazing is the sheer amount of good music that was being done
by all the bands being mentioned, while the US had just been listening
to The Singing Nun;)
TH
BlackMonk
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You could be right about songwriting, but I'd argue that Mike Pender and
Mike Smith were equally as good, though in different ways.
And The DC5 were the first group to slam the radio with drums
> you could actually hear. Their sound was just immense. Epic. That HUGE
> kick drum at the end of "Glad All Over" was something you just didn't
> hear....much less Dave's rat-ta-ta triplet fills as a signature. They
> might arguably have made the first power pop single, years before the
> term was applied to Journey and the like, with "Anyway You Want It."
>
> What is amazing is the sheer amount of good music that was being done
> by all the bands being mentioned, while the US had just been listening
> to The Singing Nun;)
>
And Louie Louie.
Don't give the UK too much credit. After all, things must have been pretty
dire if Lonnie Donegan could start a musical revolution.
Lookingglass
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>
> What is amazing is the sheer amount of good music that was being done
> by all the bands being mentioned, while the US had just been listening
> to The Singing Nun;)
>
>
> TH
I echo that Tom. It really was a "music explosion". There was so much new
music of quality...it seems to me it was on a daily basis.
I've stated this before but I will repeat...I didn't listen to "pop" music
before The Beatles hit the US shore. I recall the odd hit like Poison Ivy or
Purple People Eater or The Battle Of New Orleans, or that ode to second
gear, Beep! Beep!...and a few others. I did not get into Presley, and I
didn't purposely listen to "pop" radio. But when I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND
hit the airwaves, I got an *ear-on*. For me, the US music scene was pretty
bland at the time.
t...@aerovons.com
;)
t...@aerovons.com
See I started listening to pop in the late 50s as just a little kid. I
heard "Gingerbread" by Frankie Avalon and there's a guitar break in
the middle. At that point, I started nagging Mom and Dad for a
guitar;). That just naturally led me on to all things pop...Rick
Nelson, Everlys, Beach Boys. Anything with harmony in the vocals and
great guitar parts;)
So the Brit invasion was great for me, because it recalled those pop
roots. I wasn't an Elvis fan either, but be damned if "Hound Dog"
doesn't have a "Mersey Sound" to it...or the Mersey Sound had a "Hound
Dog" sound anyway;)
Couldn't agree with you more on "Hand." Like a spaceship landing in
your in your front yard....
TH
Manfred Noland
jim...@aol.com
> Cant disagree more with a moron who cannot spell "moot"
Ever hear of a typo douchebag.
> The Ox is pretty loud... the rest of the album is pretty wuss though.
Wrong. The rest of the album just happens to have one of the greatest
songs ever written. A very influential debut. One just has to listen
to the albums in Europe before and then after to figure that out. Even
Paul McCartney was quoted as saying The Who (and Dylan) were their two
biggest influences in 1965.
The Yardbirds were a great live band (probably better than The Who).
> And Jeff Beck started smashing guitars first.
Wrong again. And speaking of Mr. Beck, who has played with some
incredible drummers over the years, who had the biggest impact on him,
I think you'll be surprised by his answer.
uly...@mscomm.com
slightly better-than-average Beatles songs. Peter Noone was charming,
cute and witty in the Beatles tradition.
abby then
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> Herman's Hermits (seriously). No Milk Today is as good as many
> slightly better-than-average Beatles songs. Peter Noone was charming,
> cute and witty in the Beatles tradition.
I don't get that. My mom always like Noone - maybe more so than the Beatles.
She was thrilled when he appeared on American Idol this year. I was thrilled
to see he had new teeth...
uly...@mscomm.com
He's very sweet and down to earth. Herman's Hermits had some great
bubblegum songs. "Dandy" is another goos one of theirs.
O'Leary
Me too. I was surprised that he does songs from other British Invasion
acts, like Gerry and the Pacemakers.
Lookingglass
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> I've seen Peter a couple of times at various revival concert places.
> He's very sweet and down to earth. Herman's Hermits had some great
> bubblegum songs. "Dandy" is another goos one of theirs.
...written by the inimitable Ray Davies.
w
HH wasn't all that bad just corny as fukking Hell.
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> Paul McCartney was quoted as saying The Who (and Dylan) were their two
> biggest influences in 1965.
Don't tell Francie Pants Schwartz she swallowed for naught.
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dpat
> On Jul 10, 4:21 pm, freshfeces <freshfe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 10, 12:05 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Should be The Yardbirds...
>
> > > They never get that much respect these days... they are thought of as
> > > the starting point for three great guitarist... but the fact is they
> > > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> > > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who, The Rolling
> > > Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
>
> > I couldn't agree more. They were a fantastic outfit that didn't get
> > the coverage they deserved. They were rockin' hard before any of your
> > aboved mentions.
>
> Most underrated band to me is the DC5...
>
I originally thought you mis-typed and meant the MC5 (ha!).
Dave Clark Five were way too poppy for my tastes.
Yardbirds were light years ahead of them as far as innovation.
Jeff
:-) "The guess who" are one of my favorite bands, and I've never
seen them mentioned. Better than most of the bands that get mentioned,
IMO.
Jeff
>
> > Should be The Yardbirds...
> the fact is they
> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who
>
> How do you figure? Many great songs? Most were covers. Don't get me
> wrong, The Yardbirds were a great band (especially the Beck era). But
> The Who rocked harder. And live rocked louder.
Oh yeah, Louder is cool.
They were the first
> band to use Marshall Stacks.
Far out! The "Mesa Boogie" is much better than those Marshall Stacks.
Before Cream, before Hendrix. Listen to
> The Who's first album in 1965 and then The Yardbirds Having A Rave Up.
> The Who's song "The Ox" just might be the heaviest song ever recorded
> up to that point.
Far out man. Groovy.
Though when you get down to it, this is all mute.
> The Who were not part of the British Invasion, at least the one your
> talking about. They didn't tour the states until almost 2 1/2 years
> after. Oh, and by the way, The Yardbirds are my second favorite group.
Sorry, I've got the flu pretty bad. I have to knock something. :-)
Jeff
> On Jul 11, 8:25 pm, jimz...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > On Jul 10, 2:05?pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Should be The Yardbirds...
> > the fact is they
> > > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> > > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who
>
> > How do you figure? Many great songs? Most were covers. Don't get me
> > wrong, The Yardbirds were a great band (especially the Beck era). But
> > The Who rocked harder. And live rocked louder. They were the first
> > band to use Marshall Stacks. Before Cream, before Hendrix. Listen to
> > The Who's first album in 1965 and then The Yardbirds Having A Rave Up.
> > The Who's song "The Ox" just might be the heaviest song ever recorded
> > up to that point. Though when you get down to it, this is all mute.
>
> Cant disagree more with a moron who cannot spell "moot"
Your upbringing. Critical parents. Damn that sucks.
Jeff
> On Jul 12, 1:15 am, "Lookingglass" <Shemak...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > <t...@aerovons.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1184215520.2...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > What is amazing is the sheer amount of good music that was being done
> > > by all the bands being mentioned, while the US had just been listening
> > > to The Singing Nun;)
>
> > > TH
>
> > I echo that Tom. It really was a "music explosion". There was so much new
> > music of quality...it seems to me it was on a daily basis.
>
> > I've stated this before but I will repeat...I didn't listen to "pop" music
> > before The Beatles hit the US shore. I recall the odd hit like Poison Ivy or
> > Purple People Eater or The Battle Of New Orleans, or that ode to second
> > gear, Beep! Beep!...and a few others. I did not get into Presley, and I
> > didn't purposely listen to "pop" radio. But when I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND
> > hit the airwaves, I got an *ear-on*. For me, the US music scene was pretty
> > bland at the time.
>
> >www.Shemakhan.com
>
> See I started listening to pop in the late 50s as just a little kid. I
> heard "Gingerbread" by Frankie Avalon
Tom, did you have an album as a kid, about the Gingerbread man? You
just brought back a memory of something I hadn't thought of in over 40
years. :-)
Jeff
> Herman's Hermits (seriously). No Milk Today is as good as many
> slightly better-than-average Beatles songs.
Yep. Great song.
RichL
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No wonder you don't sound like yourself ;-)
BlackMonk
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> Herman's Hermits (seriously). No Milk Today is as good as many
> slightly better-than-average Beatles songs. Peter Noone was charming,
> cute and witty in the Beatles tradition.
>
They were more than that. Blaze was a very strong album.
yes pink van led black rock!
> On Jul 11, 11:23?pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Cant disagree more with a moron who cannot spell "moot"
>
> Ever hear of a typo douchebag.
Typing "mute" instead of "moot" is not a case of oversight... its a
case of "illiteracy". Well may be it is good in "trailer English"
>
> > The Ox is pretty loud... the rest of the album is pretty wuss though.
>
> Wrong. The rest of the album just happens to have one of the greatest
> songs ever written.
exaggeration!
> A very influential debut.
so?
> One just has to listen
> to the albums in Europe before and then after to figure that out. Even
> Paul McCartney was quoted as saying The Who (and Dylan) were their two
> biggest influences in 1965.
lol. The Who literally copied the Beatles/Stones/Kinks in their first
few albums
>
> The Yardbirds were a great live band (probably better than The Who).
>
> > And Jeff Beck started smashing guitars first.
>
> Wrong again. And speaking of Mr. Beck, who has played with some
> incredible drummers over the years, who had the biggest impact on him,
> I think you'll be surprised by his answer.
Doesnt change the fact that the first album and most of the others ;-)
were ordinary by all time standards.
JohnB
wrote:
> On Jul 12, 10:06 am, jimz...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 11:23?pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Cant disagree more with a moron who cannot spell "moot"
>
> > Ever hear of a typo douchebag.
>
> Typing "mute" instead of "moot" is not a case of oversight... its a
> case of "illiteracy". Well may be it is good in "trailer English"
>
Oh dear. If you're going to pick someone up on their grammar or
spelling, you need to make sure your own post is correct, don't you?
You have "its" without the apostrophe and "may be" as two words when
it should be one.
>
>
> > > The Ox is pretty loud... the rest of the album is pretty wuss though.
>
> > Wrong. The rest of the album just happens to have one of the greatest
> > songs ever written.
>
> exaggeration!
Not exaggeration but opinion presented as fact.
>
> > A very influential debut.
>
> so?
>
> > One just has to listen
> > to the albums in Europe before and then after to figure that out. Even
> > Paul McCartney was quoted as saying The Who (and Dylan) were their two
> > biggest influences in 1965.
>
> lol. The Who literally copied the Beatles/Stones/Kinks in their first
> few albums
>
>
>
> > The Yardbirds were a great live band (probably better than The Who).
>
> > > And Jeff Beck started smashing guitars first.
>
> > Wrong again. And speaking of Mr. Beck, who has played with some
> > incredible drummers over the years, who had the biggest impact on him,
> > I think you'll be surprised by his answer.
>
> Doesnt change the fact that the first album and most of the others ;-)
> were ordinary by all time standards.
Most lists compiled by critics, music writers or even musicians
themselves include Who's Next somewhere in the top 100 albums and some
may include A Quick One... but I'm not sure how many of the Who's
other albums are regularly included. Tommy may have been the first
"Rock Opera" (correct me if you know better) but musically it was
patchy. So, yes, the Who were good, influential and innovative, but
their overall legacy is not up to the standards of some others.
JJ (UK)
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> > A very influential debut.
>
> so?
But Raja, you're so often rating your fave bands by the category of how
influential they are...
JJ (UK)
zepf...@yahoo.com
> "yes pink van led black rock!" <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1184285393.5...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > A very influential debut.
>
> > so?
>
> But Raja, you're so often rating your fave bands by the category of how
> influential they are...
>
> JJ (UK)
no I never do that. Its the quality that matters. Jethro Tull made
some quality albums but they didnt influence any other rock band to
pick up a flute as a lead instrument.
bop9
Were they not the second band to break after The Beatles and before the
Rolling Stones. In that light I would say they were underrated.
Lookingglass
"bop9" <n...@thanks.org> wrote in message
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> The Kinks.
>
> Were they not the second band to break after The Beatles and before the
> Rolling Stones. In that light I would say they were underrated.
When I was a youngster in the '60s, YOU REALLY GOT ME, ALL DAY AND ALL OF
THE NIGHT, WELL RESPECTED MAN, DEDICATED FOLLOWER OF FASHION, and others
were *hits* in my neck of the woods...I think the Kinks got a lot of respect
at the beginning of their career in the US. When the disagreement with the
US Music unions occurred and they were banned, we (the US) sort of lost
sight of then...at least on the charts. As a big fan, I never stopped
listening to their recordings though.
I believe today, most knowledgeable folks would place the Kinks in their
"top 5 bands". I'm sure some will disagree with me.
In my estimation, the Kinks are one of the *Holy Trinity* (unholy?)... THE
BEATLES, THE WHO, THE KINKS.
...But that's just me!
BlackMonk
>
> Were they not the second band to break after The Beatles and before the
> Rolling Stones.
No. They had a top ten hit a couple of weeks before The Rolling Stones did,
though the Stones had a couple of minor hits before that, so that depends on
how you define "breaking," but Gerry and the Pacemakers, the Dave Clark
Five, and The Animals (and this list isn't exhaustive) all had top ten hits
before The Kinks.
O'Leary
> When I was a youngster in the '60s, YOU REALLY GOT ME, ALL DAY AND ALL OF
> THE NIGHT, WELL RESPECTED MAN, DEDICATED FOLLOWER OF FASHION, and others
> were *hits* in my neck of the woods.
My mother loved "Well Respected Man". She thought the line "And his
undershirt smells the best" was really funny.
Lookingglass
"O'Leary" <ol...@dejaa.com> wrote in message
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I think the line is...
"...and his own sweat smells the best..."
;^)
O'Leary
> I think the line is...
>
> "...and his own sweat smells the best..."
>
> ;^)
That makes it even funnier! Good ol' Mom!
Lookingglass
> Lookingglass wrote:
>
>> I think the line is...
>>
>> "...and his own sweat smells the best..."
> That makes it even funnier! Good ol' Mom!
Please don't tell your Mom...Mom's are ALWAYS right!
;^)
O'Leary
>>>I think the line is...
>>>
>>>"...and his own sweat smells the best..."
>
>
>>That makes it even funnier! Good ol' Mom!
>
>
>
> Please don't tell your Mom...Mom's are ALWAYS right!
One day. Somewhere. We'll have a good laugh about it!
Reading the lyrics again, there is so much sarcasm, much of which I
didn't get at the time.
They were brilliant, no doubt.
BlackMonk
Who else would have rhymed "regatta" with "get at her" in 1965?
Lookingglass
> Lookingglass wrote:
>>
>> Please don't tell your Mom...Mom's are ALWAYS right!
> One day. Somewhere. We'll have a good laugh about it!
>
> Reading the lyrics again, there is so much sarcasm, much of which I didn't
> get at the time.
>
> They were brilliant, no doubt.
One of the *reassuring* events in my young life was going to the local
dancehall on Saturday nights (great time!). The local popular band did all
the hits of the times...and very well too! One of the covers they did was
WELL RESPECTED MAN. It always cheered me to hear them play it, as most of my
friends didn't appreciate the Kinks the way I did.
Now that we have our 20/20 hindsight in better perspective, I think The
Kinks have gained greatly in the amount of respect that is given them...and
deservedly so. They touched corners of the human psyche that other bands did
not. Much like the Who, and like the Beatles did with ELEANOR RIGBY and
NOWHERE MAN, and A DAY IN THE LIFE...etc...etc...etc.
A WELL RESPECTED BAND...indeed!!!
Sean Carroll
> "O'Leary" <ol...@dejaa.com> wrote
>>My mother loved "Well Respected Man". She thought the line "And his
>>undershirt smells the best" was really funny.
> Who else would have rhymed "regatta" with "get at her" in 1965?
I bet Dylan would've.
--
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BlackMonk
"Sean Carroll" <sean...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> BlackMonk wrote:
>> "O'Leary" <ol...@dejaa.com> wrote
>
>>>My mother loved "Well Respected Man". She thought the line "And his
>>>undershirt smells the best" was really funny.
>
>> Who else would have rhymed "regatta" with "get at her" in 1965?
>
> I bet Dylan would've.
>
Then why didn't he?
Sean Carroll
> "Sean Carroll" <sean...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>My mother loved "Well Respected Man". She thought the line "And his
>>>>undershirt smells the best" was really funny.
>>>Who else would have rhymed "regatta" with "get at her" in 1965?
>>I bet Dylan would've.
> Then why didn't he?
Too stoned?
Lookingglass
"poisoned rose" <shootingfi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Lookingglass" <Shem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Now that we have our 20/20 hindsight in better perspective, I think The
>> Kinks have gained greatly in the amount of respect that is given
>> them...and
>> deservedly so. They touched corners of the human psyche that other bands
>> did
>> not. Much like the Who, and like the Beatles did with ELEANOR RIGBY and
>> NOWHERE MAN, and A DAY IN THE LIFE...etc...etc...etc.
>>
>> A WELL RESPECTED BAND...indeed!!!
> When you talk about the Beatles, you compare them to the Kinks and
> Who. When you talk about the Who, you compare them to the Beatles
> and Kinks. When you talk about the Kinks, you compare them to the
> Beatles and Who.
>
> You have certainly have sealed up a tight little world for yourself.
This is true. These are the bands I grew up with, and am most familiar
with...and bands for which I have the greatest respect for...but I listen to
a lot more music than just these bands.
My world is by no means sealed...you should see my CD collection!
I believe that you and I approach *music appreciation* differently. You as a
critic, and therefore you *should* listen to everything. I listen to what I
enjoy, and what intrigues me. I do listen to music that I have not heard
before...but generally I have met someone who will recommend something, or I
might hear a piece of music that catches my attention at a concert or on the
radio. Sometimes I've read an article or a reference to a piece of music
that takes me on a musical adventure of discovery.
One of the best things to have happened after the advancement of digital
technology, was an absolute explosion (in my opinion) of recorded music by
some very obscure writers and composers. I was now able to hear music by
people whom I had only heard or read about. I would search out these new
recordings of music which was new to me. This digital technology, which is
now cheaply available to everyone with a computer, has increased the release
of new music...I can't even estimate the volume of new music that is
produced in *bedroom/studios* by unknown people just trying to make their
own kind of music.
I listen to a lot of new music of all sorts. I am also one of those people
who writes, produces and records in a bedroom/studio. I spend a lot of time
doing that.
I do not pretend to listen to the amount of new music that you imply you
listen to. I assume you are a critic...that suggests it is your priority to
listen to as much new music as is necessary. I am not a critic. My priority
is practicing, writing, and producing/arranging.
So much music...so little time!
Lookingglass
> "Lookingglass" <Shem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> One of the best things to have happened after the advancement of digital
>> technology, was an absolute explosion (in my opinion) of recorded music
>> by
>> some very obscure writers and composers. I was now able to hear music by
>> people whom I had only heard or read about. I would search out these new
>> recordings of music which was new to me.
> Right...but that's why you could be discovering all sorts of fresh
> artists, rather than just adhering to your old staples?
>
> Seems like you've made a choice to only seek out "writers and
> composers" in the non-pop/rock world.
I listen to new music of all genres...perhaps just not to the extent that
you do.
Music is part of my life...it has been since I was child. But it is more
important for me to write music than to listen to everyone else. I listen to
other music as I have the time.
Lookingglass
> "Lookingglass" <Shem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I listen to new music of all genres...perhaps just not to the extent that
>> you do.
> If you can find only four truly satisfying bands in all of pop/rock,
> you're not listening to much. There's just no way to rationally
> argue that those four groups have qualities which all other acts
> lack.
True.
Grinner
"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "freshfeces" <fresh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1184098875.0...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>> > They never get that much respect these days... they are thought of as
>> > the starting point for three great guitarist... but the fact is they
>> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
>> > Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
>>
>> I couldn't agree more. They were a fantastic outfit that didn't get
>> the coverage they deserved. They were rockin' hard before any of your
>> aboved mentions.
>
> Maybe history has neglected them, except for Clapton, Beck and Page and
> for
> the fact that they were the precursor to Led Zeppelin, but they certainly
> weren't underrated during the time they existed.
>
Certainly not, they had toured extensively including Australia. Page
launched Zep on the back of the Yardbirds US success, knowing full full well
what audiences wanted, he couldn't wait to get another band together after
The Yardbirds fell apart even calling Zep the New Yardbirds for a time.
Grinner
> Based on the DC5 being a prominent "just-miss" for the Rock & Roll
> Hall of Fame over a multitude of other acts, I'd say the group could
> be OVER-rated at this point.
>
> (Personally, I've never been interested in the band at all.)
as alice cooper said, it was the saxaphone.
DanKaye
>Should be The Yardbirds...
>
The Yardbirds were better on paper than they were on lp's.
Don't get me wrong, I love their greatest hits collection and a few
others, but overall, their albums had a lot of filler.
I vote for the Hollies. Same problem, but less so.
DanKaye
<t...@aerovons.com> wrote:
>On Jul 10, 4:21 pm, freshfeces <freshfe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 12:05 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> > Should be The Yardbirds...
>>
>> > They never get that much respect these days... they are thought of as
>> > the starting point for three great guitarist... but the fact is they
>> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
>> > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who, The Rolling
>> > Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
>>
>> I couldn't agree more. They were a fantastic outfit that didn't get
>> the coverage they deserved. They were rockin' hard before any of your
>> aboved mentions.
>
>Most underrated band to me is the DC5...
>
>TH
>
I agree that the DC5 were better than "just a Beatles copy" band, they
had some damned good songs.
But ALL of these bands, let's face it, did not put out albums that
were consistently good all the way through. The Dave Clark 5, The
Hollies, The Zombies, The Yardbirds... none of them made albums that
were good all the way through.
DanKaye
<yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I would rate the Guess who from Canada higheriest.
If we're counting Canada (I wouldn't) then, yes, the Guess Who were
one of the best bands. They actually put out albums that I could
listen to all the way through, and like almost every song. Saw them
several times live and they put on a good musical performance, just
straight ahead rock and roll, no "showmanship" to speak of.
O'Leary
>>I would rate the Guess who from Canada higheriest.
>
> If we're counting Canada (I wouldn't) then, yes, the Guess Who were
> one of the best bands. They actually put out albums that I could
> listen to all the way through, and like almost every song. Saw them
> several times live and they put on a good musical performance, just
> straight ahead rock and roll, no "showmanship" to speak of.
Unfortunately, BTO was to follow.
BlackMonk
"DanKaye" <dan...@nowhere.info> wrote in message
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> But ALL of these bands, let's face it, did not put out albums that
> were consistently good all the way through. The Dave Clark 5, The
> Hollies, The Zombies, The Yardbirds... none of them made albums that
> were good all the way through.
Odessey and Oracle?
MikeLawyr2
Zombies: Brilliant. I am listening to Oddessy and Oracle heavily now
(again). Extraordinary. The stuff is meaningful, really meaningful,
without being oppressive.
Truly underrated. How they are not in the Hall of Fame is beyond me.
As I said several times before, they are the progenitors of art rock.
They prepared the path for Yes, Love, the Move, etc.
soim...@gmail.com
Norbert K
> <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1184094301.1...@p39g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > They never get that much respect these days... they are thought of as
> > the starting point for three great guitarist... but the fact is they
> > had many great songs and very innovative and pretty much started
> > pyschedelic rock and hard rock before bands like The Who, The Rolling
> > Stones and The Beatles even thought of doing so.
>
> Keith Relf had a fantastic vocal style, Paul Samwell-Smith was a pretty
> darned good bassist. I don't think anyone who listened to them carefully
> would underrate them.
>
> The rest of your claims are the usual exaggerations.
Paul Samwell-Smith later produced Cat Stevens' best albums and made the inspired choice of recommending Alun Davies to Stevens as a songwriting & performing partner. Davies' guitar & vocals meshed beautifully w/ Stevens'.
