Lennon's fixation with Hitler & Nazis
Salvadorwriter
[Derek....]
> Unfortunately, there is shortage of intelligent life
> in this newsgroup and certain topics are just pounced
> upon from about the same 6 or 8 posters all the
> time and converted into a childish personal insult contest.
>
> Some subject matters though do deserve serious
> and thoughtful open discussion. The murder of Lennon
> outside of his residence is one of them and should be
> of great concern to true Beatles fans ( of all stripes ).
>
> While I do not endorse all of the theories that
> you have put out there ( particularly this odd
> Lennon .vs. "jews" obssession of yours),
It's not an obsession of "mine", it's an established fact
that John Lennon had a fixation, or obsession, with
Adolf Hitler and Nazis. He co-starred in How I Won the
War, a movie about Nazis. He even wanted to put a
picture of Hitler and Jesus on the cover of Sgt. Pepper.
The Pepper information comes from Peter Blake, the
artist who designed the album's cover. Here's a quote
from Blake (included in my book):
===quote on===
PETER BLAKE: ...The Beatles had invented the concept
of a band within a band, and the concept of a concert
with an overture and then a concert and then a reprise
at the end. There was this Sgt. Pepper and a sort of
German marching band. They also had ideas for uniforms
...So we talked about the idea of a concert in a
bandstand, in a park, and then it slowly evolved that
there could be a crowd around the park. I said, "If
we’re having a crowd, how about working with a collage
technique and make a giant collage? By making cutout
figures, we could have a magic crowd of really anybody
you want. I mean, anyone in the whole world, dead or
alive or mythical or whatever you want, we could do.
"So this evolved as an idea and we asked each Beatle
to make a list of the people he would like in the magic
crowd...John had put Hitler and Jesus on his list. It
was generally agreed that it was just too controversial
to put them in. But they’re there. They’re actually
behind the four Beatles. They’re in the group, but at
the last moment it was decided it was too much. So the
Beatles are standing in front of them and you can’t see
them. That was John’s sense of humor...
===quote off===
(David Pritchard & Alan Lysaght, The Beatles: An Oral
History, pp. 243-245)
John's obsession with Hitler continued throughout the
remainder of his life. On January 19, 1984, Yoko Ono
released posthumous recordings of John on an album
entitled, Milk and Honey. One of the songs, "Nobody
Told Me," mentions "Nazis" in the first verse. The
following are the lyrics to the first verse of "Nobody
Told Me:"
===quote on===
Nobody Told Me
(by John Lennon; first verse only)
Everybody's talking and no one says a word
Everybody's making love and no one really cares
There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs
Always something happening and nothing going on
There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
They're starving back in China so finish what you got
Nobody told me there'd be days like these (repeat)
===quote off===
Consequently, Derek, to label my observations about
Lennon's obvious fixation with Hitler, Nazis, and Jews
as a "Lennon vs. Jews obsession of mine" is an unfortunate
perception of reality. Don't forget all the time he spent in
Hamburg. Lennon definitely had a fixation with Hitler and
Nazis. It may be unpopular to say, which I suspect is the
main reason you refuse to admit it, but it is completely
accurate.
Cheers.
Salvador
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dlarsson
> He co-starred in How I Won the
> War, a movie about Nazis.
Well, I don't think you will find many people
who regard Dick Lester's film satire
"How I Won the War" -- as anything
to do with Nazis or a statement about Nazis
> He even wanted to put a
> picture of Hitler and Jesus on the cover of Sgt. Pepper.
That's true, but so what.
John had a sense of humor, a provocative nature.
If you try and take things "literally" you may as
well say that John had an obssession with
W.C Fields ( he's on the cover as well ).
This was, after all, a creative exercise ....
- Derek
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CharlesBunch995
> well say that John had an obssession with
> W.C Fields ( he's on the cover as well ).
>
> This was, after all, a creative exercise ....
It's no use trying to use common sense with Sally. He's waaaay OUT THERE.
Chuck
Mister Charlie
"CharlesBunch995" <charles...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Add Frannie and Iben to the list and you've about got the whole nutso
contigent.
MacBeatle
COMMENT!
Don Cooper
Salvadorwriter wrote:
> He even wanted to put a
> picture of Hitler and Jesus on the cover of Sgt. Pepper.
John, like many, saw them as complete opposites.
Teddy
Peter Sellers became a star because of that show, and he was--Jewish!
Ooooohhhh!!!!
Some of the characters on the show include an elderly couple living in
sin and a pair of male homosexuals and a bunch of mental defectives!!!
Better check it out, Sharpie, John could imitate the characters and
adored Spike Milligan, who wrote all the scripts!!!
Ying tong iddle i po
Cam
at salvado...@cs.com wrote on 4/27/04 11:04 PM:
> It's not an obsession of "mine", it's an established fact
> that John Lennon had a fixation, or obsession, with
> Adolf Hitler and Nazis. He co-starred in How I Won the
> War, a movie about Nazis.
Did he write the screenplay? Did he produce the movie? Did he direct it? No.
He was merely cast in the movie, which was much more a comment on war in
general (or private) than a film ABOUT nazis. (which needn't be capitalized)
I guess Lawrence Olivier, Dustin Hoffman, Liam Neeson and Ralph Fiennes
also have fixations with nazis, huh? Thin 'evidence'. Next.
>He even wanted to put a
> picture of Hitler and Jesus on the cover of Sgt. Pepper.
Both have had a major impact on the world, wouldn't ya say? Both are
notorious. That's the point, oh agenda-ladened one. Next.
> John's obsession with Hitler continued throughout the
> remainder of his life. On January 19, 1984, Yoko Ono
> released posthumous recordings of John on an album
> entitled, Milk and Honey. One of the songs, "Nobody
> Told Me," mentions "Nazis" in the first verse. The
> following are the lyrics to the first verse of "Nobody
> Told Me:"
>
> ===quote on===
>
> Nobody Told Me
> (by John Lennon; first verse only)
>
> Everybody's talking and no one says a word
> Everybody's making love and no one really cares
> There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs
> Always something happening and nothing going on
> There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
> They're starving back in China so finish what you got
> Nobody told me there'd be days like these (repeat)
So, by your 'logic', I guess he's fixated and obsessed about talking,
fucking, general events, the culinary arts, starvation and China as well.
>
> ===quote off===
>
> Consequently, Derek, to label my observations about
> Lennon's obvious fixation with Hitler, Nazis, and Jews
> as a "Lennon vs. Jews obsession of mine" is an unfortunate
> perception of reality. Don't forget all the time he spent in
> Hamburg.
Yeah? He had a gig. Are you saying that being in Hamburg in the early
sixties is proof of this mythical 'obsession'? I think it's pretty clear who
the obsessed one is.
>Lennon definitely had a fixation with Hitler and
> Nazis. It may be unpopular to say, which I suspect is the
> main reason you refuse to admit it, but it is completely
> accurate.
It may be an unpopular belief that a bee can fly to the moon, but that's not
why people won't 'admit' it. Then again most would agree that a jackass
couldn't type, and look how well this post has swayed me to believe just the
opposite.
Cam
Stephen X. Carter
(Teddy) wrote:
>
>Some of the characters on the show include an elderly couple living in
>sin and a pair of male homosexuals and a bunch of mental defectives!!!
You may be conflating the Goon Shows (where there were few
regular scenario's) and Round the Horne (Julian & his friend
Sandy etc etc)?
--
st...@stephencarterNOSPAM.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
Salvadorwriter
>From: "dlarsson" derek_...@comcast.net
>Date: 4/27/04 11:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <YKFjc.1040$lz5.322969@attbi_s53>
>
>
>> He co-starred in How I Won the
>> War, a movie about Nazis.
>
> Well, I don't think you will find many people
> who regard Dick Lester's film satire
> "How I Won the War" -- as anything
> to do with Nazis or a statement about Nazis
>
>> He even wanted to put a
>> picture of Hitler and Jesus on the cover of Sgt. Pepper.
>
> That's true, but so what.
> John had a sense of humor, a provocative nature.
>
> If you try and take things "literally" you may as
> well say that John had an obssession with
> W.C Fields ( he's on the cover as well ).
>
> This was, after all, a creative exercise ....
>
>
>
> - Derek
And of course there's the reference to Hitler in
the song God. But according to you, every other
rock song has a reference to Hitler. Right?
So let's count the Hitler/Nazi references: There's
the song Nobody Told Me; there's the song God;
there's the attempt to display Hitler on the cover of
Sgt. Pepper; there's his appearance as a facist in
the movie How I Won the War (which at a
minimum, portrayed Nazis as human beings,
not monsters). I know of others, but it's obvious
you're going to stonewall me on this point.
If you don't like the word "fixation," then pick
another one. He had a strong interest of some
sort in Hitler.
Clearly I've won the debate.
dlarsson
> Clearly I've won the debate.
>
> Cheers.
Well, you won only the point that there
was never any disagreement about -- which
is that John made a few references
to Hitler and/or Nazis.
What your wrong about though is
your conclusions.
You know, back in Hamburg, John used
to shout out at the drunken crowd:
"get back in your tanks you bloody krouts!"
His only serious commentary ever made on Hitler
was in 1969 when he said:
"We are all Christ and we are all Hitler"
[ Translation: we all have good and bad impulses ]
"What we want is for Christ message to win,
we want to make it contemporary."
[ not Hitler ]
Okay, so you are not going to find any
takers on your suggestion that John
was somehow a Hitler protégé
or that he had a death wish against "Jews".
Brian Epstein was a Jew ( John made him their manager )
Bob Dylan was orginally a Jew ( John liked his records )
Allen Klein was a Jew ( John made him their 2nd manager )
"Imagine no religion" shows that John
did not have an obssession with any religion
whatsoever.
John tried to be a uniter -- not a divider
( unlike Bush )
he was also:
a joker, a smoker, and a midnight toker
Let's stick with focusing on the real issues ....
Salvadorwriter
>> Clearly I've won the debate.
>>
>> Cheers.
[derek_larsson:]
> Well, you won only the point that there
> was never any disagreement about -- which
> is that John made a few references
> to Hitler and/or Nazis.
You were challenging me on that point.
Now you've stopped.
> What your wrong about though is
> your conclusions.
What conclusions? Look at the title of this thread.
Does it say anything about conclusions?
> You know, back in Hamburg, John used
> to shout out at the drunken crowd:
> "get back in your tanks you bloody krouts!"
How do you know? Were you there?
I've read the quote you cited, but I don't
necessarily believe it. He had lots of German
friends who came to see the Beatles regularly
in Hamburg. Does it seem logical that he would
want to insult them? Not hardly.
That's the difference between you and me.
If something doesn't make sense, I don't
accept it as fact. Who knows, your theory
may turn out to be true. Maybe he insulted
his German friends and maybe they thought
it was cute. But it doesn't make sense.
> His only serious commentary ever made on Hitler
> was in 1969 when he said:
>
> "We are all Christ and we are all Hitler"
> [ Translation: we all have good and bad impulses ]
>
> "What we want is for Christ message to win,
> we want to make it contemporary."
> [ not Hitler ]
I'd say his decision to co-star in How I Won the War was
a serious statement as well. I suspect John’s decision to
accept a supporting role in this particular movie was partially
because he respected the anti-war theme, and partially as a
jab at the people who had attacked him a few months earlier
for making an innocent remark about the Beatles being
more popular than Jesus. I am referring of course the
people who run the news media in America and most of
the Western world: Jews. As I infer in Chapter 2 of my book,
John Lennon probably admired Adolf Hitler, as did many
Germans. And John had spent a great deal of time in
Hamburg, so there is little doubt that he heard the
German perspective about Hitler. Klaus Voorman, Astrid
Kirchherr and other young Germans probably confided
in Lennon regarding their feelings about World War II,
Hitler, and his treatment of Jews. In fact, Klaus Voorman
was a practicing Existentialist, an intellectual philosophy
that deals with human existence in the world. My point this:
Intellectuals are not above discussing taboo topics like
Hitler’s treatment of Jews, and Voorman was an
intellectual--an Existentialist--and Lennon was an intellectual.
Therefore, it is only far-fetched to suggest that two
intellectuals--one of them German--would "not" discuss
Hitler’s treatment of Jews.
Did they or didn't they? We do not know the answer
absolutely; however, we know John was close friends with
Klaus and Astrid, two young Germans--one of them an
Existentialist--who certainly were not thrilled with the
post-war fate of Germany. They’ve never stated it overtly,
but how could they be anything other than disenchanted
with the way Germany was treated after World War II? Look
at the history. Only 15 years had passed since World War II
when the Beatles first played clubs of the Reeperbahn and
Hamburg was still recovering. Through the anguish of war
and its residual effects on Germany’s youth population, Hamburg flourished as
an artistic hub, a creative center in Europe in the
Fifties and early Sixties. Few people in the Western world today
will give credit or recognition to the children of Nazi soldiers for
being the lightening rod for the cultural revolution of the Sixties in America,
but they deserve a high degree of praise. After all, they
gave us the Beatles.
But if Lennon admired Hitler, he was certainly not the first
prominent public figure to do so. In 1945 a young Jack Kennedy
wrote the following words in his diary in praise of Adolf Hitler:
===quote on===
After visiting these two places (Berchtesgaden and the Eagle’s
lair on Obersalzberg), you can easily understand how that within
a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds
him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived.
He had boundless ambitions for his country which rendered
him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery
about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his
death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the
stuff of which legends are made.
===quote off===
(Prelude To Leadership - The European Diary of John F.
Kennedy, Summer 1945, Regnery Publishing, Inc., Washington
DC, p. 74)
Salvador Astucia
Teddy
> On 28 Apr 2004 09:22:14 -0700, hennes...@yahoo.com
> (Teddy) wrote:
>
> >
> >Some of the characters on the show include an elderly couple living in
> >sin and a pair of male homosexuals and a bunch of mental defectives!!!
>
> You may be conflating the Goon Shows (where there were few
> regular scenario's) and Round the Horne (Julian & his friend
> Sandy etc etc)?
No. I'm referring to Min and Henry (the elderly couple) and
Gryptype-Thynne and Moriarty, who sometimes let it slip that they're
more than just friends.
Anyway, the point was really that John Lennon was a passionate fan of
the Goons, and Silly Sally is making up stuff about how JL's real fave
rave was Hitler--who never insured the English Channel against fire or
ate an exploding sausage ("so that's why they call them bangers!")
Cam
at salvado...@cs.com wrote on 4/28/04 09:43 PM:
> Clearly I've won the debate.
Oh, you're a 'master debater' allright....
>
> Salvador
Teddy
One syllable too many there, Cam.
BlackMonk
"dlarsson" <derek_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Brian Epstein was a Jew ( John made him their manager )
> Bob Dylan was orginally a Jew ( John liked his records )
Still is.
brink
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even after the foreskin restoration surgery? ;-)
MacBeatle
Nice work, John!
MacBeatle
Yo, Tiddles!
Oh how I've missed flaming your ignorant ass... NOT.
Anyway, my friend Mr. Sharp
(altho he does tend toward verbosity, heh)
mentioned MILK & HONEY (CD)
which is the YO release I have been
mentioning to rmb for more than a month
for its references to Hitler, nazis etc
(You rilly need to listen to this one,
NOT A BOOTLEG VERSION or some
Internet page with misquotes and false
attributions)
But anyrose
ALL YOU ASSHOLE TROLLS (including Mister
Charlie and BlackMonk especially) need to
listen to the LAST INTERVIEW with J&Y
(December 8 1980) which is, I believe,
the First Cut (the deepest) on Side Won.
And "Beatle TED"?
Puhleez bend over
So I can shove your JEWISH Knowledge
FIRMLY up that tight anal opening!
How'm I doin, Sal? <blushing like a Version!>
francie
Mister Charlie
"MacBeatle" <waro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:23e30c12.04043...@posting.google.com...
>
> ALL YOU ASSHOLE TROLLS (including Mister
> Charlie and BlackMonk especially) need to
> listen to the LAST INTERVIEW with J&Y
> (December 8 1980) which is, I believe,
> the First Cut (the deepest) on Side Won.
>
> And "Beatle TED"?
>
> Puhleez bend over
> So I can shove your JEWISH Knowledge
> FIRMLY up that tight anal opening!
>
> How'm I doin, Sal? <blushing like a Version!>
>
OMG They're an item! Birds of a feather I guess. Two insane
anti-social freaks.
Teddy
> hennes...@yahoo.com (Teddy) wrote in message news:<5d47aa5.04042...@posting.google.com>...
> > Cam <camat...@large.com> wrote in message news:<BCB6B531.7D3F%camat...@large.com>...
> > > in article 20040428214325...@mb-m27.news.cs.com, Salvadorwriter
> > > at salvado...@cs.com wrote on 4/28/04 09:43 PM:
> > >
> > > > Clearly I've won the debate.
> > >
> > > Oh, you're a 'master debater' allright....
> > > >
> > > > Salvador
> >
> > One syllable too many there, Cam.
>
> Yo, Tiddles!
>
> Oh how I've missed flaming your ignorant ass... NOT.
Hey Francid: that "master debater" title fits you just about right,
too.
>
> Anyway, my friend Mr. Sharp
> (altho he does tend toward verbosity, heh)
Now, that's rich. Francid and the Nazi, sittin' in a tree
k-i-s-s-i-n-g
if you weren't so clean and sober, Francid, you'd have a clue that
this not-at-all-Sharp dude is actually an anti-Semite, as opposed to
the folks you just label Jew-haters when they happen not to like YOU.
How about you tune in "Sesame Street" and listen up when they do "One
of these things is not like the others" and see if they put in a storm
trooper and you can pick him out! Wouldn't that be extra special!!!
Does your satellite dish on your home planet pick up PBS?
MacBeatle
> Does your satellite dish on your home planet pick up PBS?
Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost overnite?
You've certainly changed yer toon, Tiddleywinx...
Alluva sudden I'm clean and sober? How could you possibly
know that? Hmmm? Or is your own self-loathing paranoia
beginning to make you feel like you're being watched?
When you're judging the personal relationships
of people you've never met and know Zip About
(esp me and Sally) doesn't it embarass you
the teensiest little bit when you post your
idiotic shite in this cesspool -- I mean
isn't there a Book somewhere in your vast
Library, something you could study instead
of wasting your time and energy trashing me?
Wouldn't that rabbi granddaddy give you a
good smack if he could read the utter crap
you've been writing about me (and apparently
about my TrooLuv) for these past five fuckin yrs!
You're just jealous. Always have been.
But keep on with the trollshit and personal insults...
I'm sure you'll get Nick and Ian and Charlie and
Ehtue (mustn't leave out whos...@aol.com, the
hugest hippocrite of them all...) and Sockey and
Steven X Carter off. Apparently nothing else works
for Them...
But since you asked,
NO... we don't use satellite dishes on my Home
Planet.
Not since Putney took over the Agency.
"The Drum"!
Mister Charlie
> But keep on with the trollshit and personal insults...
> I'm sure you'll get Nick and Ian and Charlie and
> Ehtue (mustn't leave out whos...@aol.com, the
> hugest hippocrite of them all...) and Sockey and
> Steven X Carter off. Apparently nothing else works
> for Them...
>
'Yes, the WHOLE world is wrong and only *I* am right'.
The kind of attitude parents usually manage to dispel with by the time a
kid is 3.
Salvadorwriter
>Date: 4/30/04 6:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <23e30c12.04043...@posting.google.com>
>
>hennes...@yahoo.com (Teddy) wrote in message
>news:<5d47aa5.04042...@posting.google.com>...
>> Cam <camat...@large.com> wrote in message
>news:<BCB6B531.7D3F%camat...@large.com>...
>> > in article 20040428214325...@mb-m27.news.cs.com,
>Salvadorwriter
>> > at salvado...@cs.com wrote on 4/28/04 09:43 PM:
>> >
>> > > Clearly I've won the debate.
>> >
>> > Oh, you're a 'master debater' allright....
>> > >
>> > > Salvador
>>
>> One syllable too many there, Cam.
[Francie:]
>Yo, Tiddles!
>
>Oh how I've missed flaming your ignorant ass... NOT.
>
>Anyway, my friend Mr. Sharp
>(altho he does tend toward verbosity, heh)
>mentioned MILK & HONEY (CD)
>which is the YO release I have been
>mentioning to rmb for more than a month
>for its references to Hitler, nazis etc
>(You rilly need to listen to this one,
>NOT A BOOTLEG VERSION or some
>Internet page with misquotes and false
>attributions)
>
>But anyrose
>
>ALL YOU ASSHOLE TROLLS (including Mister
>Charlie and BlackMonk especially) need to
>listen to the LAST INTERVIEW with J&Y
>(December 8 1980) which is, I believe,
>the First Cut (the deepest) on Side Won.
>
>And "Beatle TED"?
>
>Puhleez bend over
>So I can shove your JEWISH Knowledge
>FIRMLY up that tight anal opening!
>
>How'm I doin, Sal? <blushing like a Version!>
>
>francie
You're doing just fine. But one thing to remember.
These guys are not your run of the mill assholes.
These guys are paid to be assholes, Internet whores.
And judging from the way some of them treat you
in particular, it's fairly obvious that many are flaming
queers as well. No wonder they worship the mother
of all queers, J. Edgar Hoover.
Salvador
Salvadorwriter
>Date: 5/1/04 9:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <c7071u$ge3r3$1...@ID-63206.news.uni-berlin.de>
>
>
> [Francie] "MacBeatle" <waro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:23e30c12.04043...@posting.google.com...
>> You're just jealous. Always have been.
>> But keep on with the trollshit and personal insults...
>> I'm sure you'll get Nick and Ian and Charlie and
>> Ehtue (mustn't leave out whos...@aol.com, the
>> hugest hippocrite of them all...) and Sockey and
>> Steven X Carter off. Apparently nothing else works
>> for Them...
[Mister Charlie:]
> 'Yes, the WHOLE world is wrong and only *I* am right'.
>
> The kind of attitude parents usually manage to dispel with
> by the time a kid is 3.
Profile on Mister Charlie (aka, Charlie Gauger)
[Excerpt from "Rethinking John Lennon's Assassination:
The FBI's War on Rock Stars" by Salvador Astucia]
Suspicious characters on the Usenet
Charlie Gauger is a frequent poster on rec.music.beatles
with an obvious hidden agenda and is probably an FBI
informant, or Internet Policeman. From what I've seen,
Gauger is primarily assigned to "penetrate" the forum,
not control it. In other words, he frequently responds
to other posters, but he rarely writes new articles to
prompt discussions. In fact, his knowledge of the Beatles,
and music in general, is quite limited. He has responded
to several discussion threads which I started about John
Lennon's assassination, and his message was always the
same: Stop discussing Lennon's murder! He engages in
bitterly personal attacks without looking at or considering
evidence presented. For example, when I started a serious
discussion about Lennon's security being dropped, by
security guard Jose Perdomo, on the night of Lennon's
murder, Gauger responded as follows: "Of course, like a
dog returning to its own vomit Sal comes back yet again."
Can you believe an adult would write something like that?
But juvenile comments are just the tip of the iceberg.
Besides character assassination, another tactic Gauger
uses is publishing what he thinks is my true identity
hoping to intimidate me. He began doing this when I
publicly pressured the New York City Medical Examiner's
office to release John Lennon's autopsy report for public
inspection.
Gauger is believed to between 50 and 55 years old and lives
in Morgan Hill, California. Morgan Hill is near San Jose
which has an FBI office located at 950 South Bascom, Suite
3011, San Jose, California 95128. The San Jose office is
a resident agency for the San Francisco field office located
at 450 Golden Gate Avenue, 13th. Floor, San Francisco,
California 94102-9523. The Special Agent in Charge of the
San Francisco field office is Mark J Mershon. It is unknown
if Charlie Gauger works directly for Mershon, but that is
the administrative hierarchy for Gauger's geographic region
per the FBI's official website. (WRITER'S NOTE: It may have
changed since this piece was written.) Gauger likely reports
to an agent who works for Mershon. Earlier I mentioned that
FBI Director Robert Mueller--who once served as U.S. Attorney
in San Francisco--publicly revealed the existence of a San
Jose-based "strike force" and an Internet crime unit he
helped create in San Francisco. I asked Gauger--publicly, on
rec.music.beatles--to confirm if he was part of Mueller's
strike force. "Seriously," I remarked, "you're part of the
San Jose 'strike force' that Mueller described. Right?" Clearly
agitated, Gauger replied: "Seriously? No. Now, are you going
to twist that simple and true declaration into another bizarre
fantasy or are you going to take it as offered and move on?"
It should be noted, however, that when questioning a suspected
FBI informant about his/her true agenda, one should always
remember the following caution about informants from the
FBI's website: "Use of informants to assist in the investigation
of criminal activity may involve an element of deception."
In other words, if Gauger is an informant assigned to
Mueller's strike force, he's going to lie about it.
Gauger uses several aliases, his most recognized screen name
being "Mister Charlie;" however, I suspect he uses the following
screen names as well: salvad...@butterfly.net, dna...@aol.com
(DNA FBI), Shemp richar...@excite.com.
[END OF EXCERPT]
MacBeatle
> "MacBeatle" <waro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:23e30c12.04043...@posting.google.com...
> > You're just jealous. Always have been.
> > But keep on with the trollshit and personal insults...
> > I'm sure you'll get Nick and Ian and Charlie and
> > Ehtue (mustn't leave out whos...@aol.com, the
> > hugest hippocrite of them all...) and Sockey and
> > Steven X Carter off. Apparently nothing else works
> > for Them...
> >
>
> 'Yes, the WHOLE world is wrong and only *I* am right'.
>
Talking about yourself again, Cherkles?
All's I was saying is, you guys have no other way of getting off...
a point which you conveniently ignored.
> The kind of attitude parents usually manage to dispel with by the time a
> kid is 3.
And what the hell would you know about parenting, you loser?
<yawn>
Teddy
> Alluva sudden I'm clean and sober?
Oh, Francid, how could you forget? You explained so eloquently: sure,
you can be clean and sober while smoking dope all day. If you're
Francid Schwartz.
>
> Wouldn't that rabbi granddaddy give you a
> good smack if he could read the utter crap
> you've been writing about me (and apparently
> about my TrooLuv) for these past five fuckin yrs!
Uhh, Francid, that's my great-grandfather, and since he and his second
wife left Lithuania for Palestine, I betcha he knew a thing or two
about real anti-Semitism. As you apparently don't. Nick, Ian, Charlie:
uh-uh. Sharpie: check out some of his writings. Rabidly anti-Jewish.
There's this other ancestor of mine--a page at the court of Franz
Joseph II of Austria--who might have given you a lesson in manners. As
in, it's just not the done thing in any century so far to screech
publicly about one's ex-lovers genitalia. Whether or not one is
extending the pinky finger.
"Baron von Tiny-Schlong, Your Majesty!"--no.
>
> You're just jealous. Always have been.
BWAHAHAHA!!! Sure, Francid. I'm jealous. Of your sparkling
personality.
Maximo Lachman
>Here is an excerpt from my report about John Lennon's murder which gives
>a more accurate description of the Beatles' Hamburg days:
> www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htm#hamburgdays
> ---beginning of excerpt---
> Hamburg Days
> Lennons ties to Germany are quite profound. The Beatles
> played long grueling sets at several rocknrock clubs
> in Hamburg for months at a time in the early Sixties
> before they hit the big-time in 1964. Local venues
The "Best" Beatles had hit the big-time nationally in 1961, hitting the
German charts with 2 renditions of "My Bonnie" which also had circulation
in Britain, such that it came to the attention of Brian Epstein before the
British release came out 5.Jan.1962. (The U.S. release for radio airplay
followed not too long afterwards in April.) The sales figures of 100,000
for the twist-rendition, do not include that for the rock-rendition.
www.scentertainmentonline.com/pages/rockpop.htm
> included the Indra Club, Grosse Freiheit, Reeperbahn
> (a strip club), the Kaiserkeller Club, the Top Ten
> Club, and the Star Club. Hamburg became a major
> influence in the Beatles early sound as well as
> their look; certainly their renowned mop-top haircuts.
> The German influence is obvious from the instruments
Bert Kaempfert is the closest thing to a Nazi soldier from Hamburg having
a major influence on their career, having served in a navy band during the
war, but there is no evidence of any German turning Lennon pro-Hitler or
anti-Brit. www.bertkaempfert.co.uk/htm/thestory.html
It is fair to credit the Hamburg-scene for "My Bonnie" as the '1st single
of the Beatles with Tony Sheridan as lead vocalist', especially as it had
Beatles-only material on the flip side. www.beatlesdb.com/track/page003.htm
One can even make a good argument that Bert Kaempfert "discovered" the
Beatles for a major record label, not George Martin. However, one can also
argue for obvious reasons that Brits were the major influence on post-war
Hamburg: being in the British sector and thereby overrun with British
military personnel; being a major seaport; being W.Germany's mercantile
centre; and having its media run, overseen or censored by Brits, e.g.
Kaempfert's label by George Martin's. As a result, even had Bert not
done work for the British armed forces radio network after the war,
his musical preferences would conform. Thus, one can understand why he
chose "My Bonnie" as a single. www.beatlecollectors.com/pages/11/
> the Beatles played when they achieved worldwide fame in 1964.
They achieved worldwide fame in 1963, often having been on the BBC's
General Overseas Service, which at that time was the DE FACTO standard
of achieving worldwide fame, especially since those broadcasts helped
to generate a large, loyal following in the U.S. prior to their 1964 Ed
Sullivan Show (that never was the WORLDWIDE standard, especially as more
of the world was tuning in to the BBC than Ed, and as there were fewer
televisions than shortwave radios in the world at the time). They already
had been frequently on another shortwave broadcaster, Radio Luxembourg,
as of Oct. 1962, whereupon the U.S. Vee Jay label attempted to sign them:
http://history.absoluteelsewhere.net/January/january21.html
> John Lennon played a Rickenbacker electric guitar,
> George Harrison played a Gretsch electric guitar, Paul
> McCartney played a Hoffner electric bass guitar, and
> Ringo Starr played Ludwig drums. You cant much more
> German than that.
Sure you can: if each had been manufactured in Germany as was the
Bluethner piano (which may even have been of pre-DDR vintage -
www.bluthnerpiano.com/history.html - but note that the company's
director had served his years of apprenticeship to became a master
piano maker during the 1950s in Britain.)
> (Why people called it a British invasion, Ill never know.)
Especially as Harrison was part French. Otherwise, you couldn't
get more British than the Beatles: McCartney was of Scottish,
Lennon & Harrison were (also) of Irish/Welsh heritage, leaving
Ringo to replace Pete as the token Anglo-Saxon (likely because
Ringo compensated for his sad-sack appearance by cultivating a
more outgoing personality, which Pete did not develop).
> How I Won The War
> [...]
> Few people in the Western world today would give
> credit or recognition to the children of Nazi soldiers
> for being the lightening rod for the cultural revolution
> of the Sixties in America, but they deserve a high degree
> of praise. After all, they gave us the Beatles.
A centuries--perhaps millennia--old musical tradition of the cultural
heritage of each member gave us the Beatles. Had they ever recorded
a rock version of a German folk-song, there might be something to the
revisionist Nazi-schatzi theory. Failing that, it overstates the case.
As they were more affected by the 50s music from the U.S. (including
country, which likewise had Celtic origins, yet again bringing cultural
influence back full circle to Britain), one may say quite assuredly that
the ancestors of British soldiers gave us the Beatles.
> This was the backdrop of John Lennons rise to worldwide
> fame as a rock legend. Consequently, it is highly plausible
> that Lennons German friends may have admired Hitler, or
> felt a degree of empathy toward him. Certainly Lennon must
> have discussed Hitler and Jews with his friends in Hamburg.
> After all, Nazi Germany was once the ruling government.
> Within this context, a different picture of John Lennon
> and the other Beatles begins to emerge.
You have a gift for superficial speculation. Did you know that Nazis
were zionist, and that they paid every pfennig owed in interest to
zionist bankers, such as Max Warburg from Hamburg, while welching on
reparations to their fellow "Aryan" nations? Did you know that many
Jews, but few zionists died in the concentration camps? did you know
that Max Warburg praised the Nazi regime to the U.S. public?
www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm (but wrongly stating he's a Jew, since
it is impossible to be both a Jew and a zionist as explained by the
rabbis at: www.jewsNOTzionists.org ) It would be more accurate to call
Warburg a JINO - Jew In Name Only. He had been head of the German CIA
when Hitler was an employee. Read more on Zionazism at
www.savethemales.ca/091202.html
Has anyone documented any children of Hamburg's elite mercantile families
befriending the Beatles? Such people made the town a "Hansastadt" via
trafficking in foreign culture as well as goods, and might have had a
pro-Nazi, anti-Brit influence on the Beatles. One can find among the
Warburg family evidence of admiration for Hitler, which unfortunately
seems commonplace among such elitist families that envy his use of power.
> In 1967 Lennon played a supporting role in How I Won the
> War, an anti-war movie masked in avant-garde comedy,
> produced by Richard Lester, based on the novel by Patrick
> Ryan. Its an odd anti-war movie because it lampoons the
> role of the British during the Second World War. The movie
> was downplayed for years. In fact, I just saw it for the
> first time a few weeks ago. Only the most avid Beatle fan
> has seen it. In my view, the reason for its obscurity is
> twofold. First, its not particularly entertaining. Its
> slow-paced, and most of the actors speak with thick English
> accents and often use British slang unfamiliar to American
> audiences. The only person I can understand clearly and
> consistently is a Nazi Commander
Surprise, sur prise.
BlackMonk
"Maximo Lachman" <di...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:cc9hu5$dar$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
> > John Lennon played a Rickenbacker electric guitar,
> > George Harrison played a Gretsch electric guitar, Paul
> > McCartney played a Hoffner electric bass guitar, and
> > Ringo Starr played Ludwig drums. You cant much more
> > German than that.
>
> Sure you can: if each had been manufactured in Germany as was the
> Bluethner piano (which may even have been of pre-DDR vintage -
> www.bluthnerpiano.com/history.html - but note that the company's
> director had served his years of apprenticeship to became a master
> piano maker during the 1950s in Britain.)
>
Don't you understand, American IS German. And the Beatles chose their
instruments because of how German-sounding the name of the manufacturer was,
not because of something trivial like how it sounded, or how affordable it
was.
> You have a gift for superficial speculation. Did you know that Nazis
> were zionist, and that they paid every pfennig owed in interest to
> zionist bankers, such as Max Warburg from Hamburg, while welching on
> reparations to their fellow "Aryan" nations? Did you know that many
> Jews, but few zionists died in the concentration camps? did you know
> that Max Warburg praised the Nazi regime to the U.S. public?
> www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm (but wrongly stating he's a Jew, since
> it is impossible to be both a Jew and a zionist as explained by the
> rabbis at: www.jewsNOTzionists.org ) It would be more accurate to call
> Warburg a JINO - Jew In Name Only. He had been head of the German CIA
> when Hitler was an employee. Read more on Zionazism at
> www.savethemales.ca/091202.html
>
I think the satire of this paragraph is going to go over the head of the
person for whom it's intended.
From Me To You
>However, one can also
>argue for obvious reasons that Brits were the major influence on post-war
>Hamburg: being in the British sector and thereby overrun with British
>military personnel;
This really hit me with the fact that The Beatles were playing Hamburg only 15
years after the end of World War II. Unbelievable!
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