OK, here's an example of what Kathy wrote to Fatt:
> Dear Kathy,
> Well, I certainly don't mean to hurt your feelings.
My feelings aren't even close to being hurt.
And I am
> not interested in an argument, just a friendly exchange. However, now
> you say "I have no desire to argue my version of Mimi with what a
> Hunter Davies or Geoffrey Giuliano might have written 30 years ago."
> So are you now telling us that Davis and Giuliano wrote bullshit too?
I am now telling *you*. I'm sure a great many other people here
already know that Davis and Guiliano wrote bullshit. Hunter Davis has
admitted that a lot of what he wrote in the original biography was
white washed. And Giuliano......? You've GOT to be kidding.
> I agree that not everything written is completely accurate, but
> Hunter Davis is generally very respected.
I don't care how respected he is. I don't care to argue with you (or
have a "friendly exchange") on every point he mentions re: Mimi. Nor do
I care to do the same with Paul McCartney or anyone else. My argument
isn't what they wrote. My argument was with YOUR description of Mimi.
If you based that on what you've read, then it's virtually meaningless
as far as I'm concerned. If you based it on your own personal
knowledge of Mimi and time spent with her, then we can have a
discussion. But I'm not going to argue with you what I knew her to be
like versus what some Beatle author wrote based on God knows what.
> Are you telling us that Mimi was not strict and bossy with John?
Sure, she was strict. Was she "bossy"? I don't know. What do you mean
by bossy? Make him go to school? Make him clean his room? What? She
was his mother. Was your mother bossy?
> You mean she happily supported his interest in rock and roll?
She accepted there was very little she could do about it. She did pay
for his first guitar. As far as your original assertion that she
wanted him to be an accountant or a pharmacist or a member of some
other mundane profession.....bullshit. She knew he was "bohemian" from
a very early age. And she knew he was not going to end up with a 9 to 5
job. She would have preferred he became an artist but then she
preferred art to rock and roll.
> approved of his Teddy Boy looks?
Nope. She hated it. But so what? Does that make her mean? I didn't
much care for his Teddy Boy look either. Again, so what?
>She liked Paul and George and the way
> they dressed? I think Paul says otherwise in his book.
Paul says a lot of things in his book. I couldn't care less. As far as
Mimi was concerned, she liked Paul. She thought he was a bit
big-headed. She got a bit weary of listening to him talk about himself.
But she basically liked him and she kept in contact with him on her own
until it all went sour. He was allowed in her house anytime he came
over and he was invited to her house in Poole many times. She never
discussed how he dressed with me. I doubt that it mattered.
She didn't like George. But then I never said she did. And just for
the record, she didn't feel she knew Ringo that well, but she adored
his mother and thought she was the kindest woman on earth. She also
adored Brian Epstein. So prehaps that can take care of the class issue
and any homophobic problem that may or may not eventually be directed
> So what I read about her banning John to the porch when he
> practised and telling him "A guitar's alright but you'll never earn a
> living with it" was all bullshit?
Nope. She said it. And she proudly displayed a silver plaque in her
home that said just that. I'm beginning to think you feel she should
have been head of the local Beatles fan club. She wasn't a Beatles
fan. She was John's aunt, and for all intent and purposes, his mother.
He played his guitar whenever he wanted. I wasn't aware that "the
porch" was considered a banishment. Contrary to some households today,
the child didn't rule the roost back then. If she didn't want him
playing in the middle of the livingroom, she probably told him to go
out on the porch. It was the porch, not northern Siberia.
> I must retract my statement earlier about her being unsmiling. I
> confess in retrospect that was unfair.
Oh. You allow that she smiled from time to time? How big of you. Mimi
had a wonderful sense of humor, just as biting at times as her nephew.
She was kind, considerate, compassionate but she didn't suffer fools
gladly. And, as far as I was concerned, not the least bit intimidating.
> But from what I have read and
> heard, Mimi struck me as class conscious and strict.
If you've ever been to England and met anyone of Mimi's generation, you
will find that 99% of them are class conscious. That's the way it is
there and Mimi was no exception. But it didn't rule her life and she
didn't base her friendships on it.
>Of course, I am sure she loved John very much and meant the best.
Yeah, well, as long as she *meant* well. @@
You know, you can discuss if Yoko was a Julia/Mimi substitute all you
want. I'm not the least bit bothered and it's pretty much meaningless
as far as I'm concerned. But I would think it would serve your purpose
and certainly strengthen your theory if you first knew of whom you were
comparing Yoko too. It's my guess you know even less about Julia than
you do Mimi.
As long as you actually *realize* that, analyze to your heart's desire.
But don't for a moment think it you've in any way shape or form come to
any type valid conclusion. They're just words on the screen.