Was Brian Epsteins death really a suicide-?
dlarsson
The accepted theory is that Beatles Manager
Brian Epstein was just 'very depressed'
and therefore overdosed on drugs.
However, some considerations:
No suicide note or suicide signal was ever left, and,
Epstein had reason to feel pretty darn good about himself.
At that time, In 1967, The Beatles were at their
absolute artistic zenith and influence.
Not only had they just made the Sgt. Pepper Album,
but, they had even followed up that achievement by
charting out new territory yet again with their landmark
worldwide satellite broadcast ( which was setup by Epstein )
where the world saw Lennon's "All You Need Is Love"
anthem go out as a message to the entire world.
How could anyone be THAT depressed given the
unparalleled success of Epstein and his famous band ?
For they had now gone from just being 'bigger than Elvis'
to becoming an intellectual-artistic cultural phenomena
that was directly threatening the pro-War establishment's grip
and hold on Western civilization ( with pop-art masterworks
such as: "All You Need Is Love", "Within You Without You",
"Tommorrow Never Knows", "A Day In The Life",
and various authority-challenging lyrics contained
in their other songs as well ). In short, the band was
at the cusp of enlightening the youth and popular culture
toward a new peaceful and spiritual framework potent enough
to replace the ingrained norms of spoon-fed-religious-docterine,
the glorification and acceptance of War, and pure-capitalism
interests -- as the organizing principals of modern life.
Could the Right-Wing neo-con intelligence complex, who were
responsible for so many other assassinations and organized
violence, to subdue and control uprisings not in their interest,
be then overlooked in this case?
We are, after all, talking about "The Beatles" here.
And, what better way to try and bust up the Beatles
and slow down their seemingly unending momentum
and uncanny ability to "top themselves" and throw
the band into a state of turmoil -- than to take out their Manager.
True to form, the Beatles did hurdle towards the path of
artistic drift, internal rancor, and breakup from that very
day forward, prompting Lennon to later remark "I knew we
had it once Brian died".
In addition, the post-Epstein future would also show that U.S.
Intelligence
clearly pursued John Lennon (by himself), after the band's
breakup, not only deporting him - but bugging him, spying and
tailing him, attending his concert activities, keeping 1,000s of pages
of
'classified - national security' files on him, and trying to set him up
for a phony ( planted ) drug bust all as part of organized FBI and CIA
enterprises.
After battling in court for 4 years, which succeeded largely due to
the Right-Wing's own temporary "Watergate" implosion, Lennon was,
in fact, murdered at the moment that he resurfaced from retirement.
Were they after Brian Epstein as well?
Some background:
The federal government has maintained active programs to
eliminate rock musicians and disrupt rock concerts.
Senator Frank Church's Committee hearings in 1975 and
the FBI Cointel-Programs clearly document the intent to
break up any gatherings of the "new left".
There is hard evidence the CIA assigned agents to
"investigate the music industry."
Nothing brought anti-war demonstrators together
with political messages more effectively than music festivals.
No one was more emblematic of this new found power
over culture than both The Beatles, and, then, John Lennon
after the breakup.
After the murders of Tim Buckley, Jim Croce, and Mama Cass Elliot,
more information surfaced about earlier mysterious deaths of
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison.
Listed below, are some of the rock musicians who have died since
the Huston Plan and the FBI Cointel-Program were activated.
If these people had been taking any kinds of drugs, there is
the distinct possibility that specific poisons were added
to their drugs or lethal mixes were produced, enough to be fatal,
to then make it appear that they had died from a simple
"overdose".
The list of Rock fatalities since the Huston Plan and the FBI
Cointel-Program were activated.
John Lennon Paul Kossoff John Bonham
Elvis Presley Jim Reeves Steve Parson
Buddy Holly Berry Oakley Bob Marley
Otis Redding Tim Buckley Sal Mineo
Brian Jones Jim Croce Harry Chapin
Jimi Hendrix Richard Earina
Brian Epstein, Beatles manager
Janis Joplin Lenny Bruce
Jim Morrison Larry Williams
Michael Jeffery, Jimi Hendrix manager
Duane Allman Bon Scott, AC/DC
Mama Cass Elliot Richie Valens
Rod McKernan, "Pig Pen" of the Grateful Dead
Gram Parsons J. P. Richardson
Phil Oakes Ronnie Van Zandt
Marc Bolan Steve Gains
Donald Rex Jackson, Grateful Dead mgr.
Keith Moon Sid Viscious
Kurt Cobain Stevie Ray Vaughan
Now, while some of these examples involved things
like plane crashes ( which make foul play less probable
although not entirely impossible ), others in this list
are often illustrations of unusually energetic,
productive, potent, talented people mysteriously
abdicating their own lives amid success and
other contradictory history.
The statistical probability of this is dubious at best.
"Look, if anything happens to me or Yoko,
it was not an accident!"
-John Lennon
What then about the death of Beatles Mgr., Brian Epstein,
which occurred at the height of the band's power and
social influence?
Was that also -- not an accident?
For Epstein, such a brilliant, highly-organized,
opportunistic man, who moved with a sense
of total precision -- to simply self-implode
( coincidentally while the band was away in India )
defies common logic and all credibility.
After all, how many fabulously successful
people with money, friends, fame, talent
and new opportunities each day at their disposal
decide that jumping inside a coffin is
more appealing -??
- Derek
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"Darkness cannot drive out darkness.
Only light can do that."
-Dr. Martin L. King
abe slaney
> How could anyone be THAT depressed given the
> unparalleled success of Epstein and his famous band ?
Your understanding of the human condition is pretty shallow if you can
seriously ask such a question. Maybe you have heard of Marilyn Monroe,
or Kurt Cobain? - to name 2 out of countless others for whom "success"
just didn't fix everything.
n...@epix.net
paramucho
<derek_...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> The accepted theory is that Beatles Manager
> Brian Epstein was just 'very depressed'
> and therefore overdosed on drugs.
I thought it was an accidental overdose.
Gibson Vendettuoli
suicide. And the Goldman believers are of the theory that Brian was
murdered (accidentally or not) in the process of performing some weird
S&M act.
paramucho
<johnlen...@gmail.com> wrote:
And where are the martians :-)
B.Wilson
>Brian Epstein ,John Lennon, Richie Valens,Jim Reeves(!!!),Mama Cass blah
>blah blah blah......
My answer is:
Can this posting be takes seriously?
Two theories:
1) Derek is more out of his mind than usual
2) This posting is a forgery(Sal?)
Why has there to be anything sinister about every death related to
rock'n'roll.
Every case from Richie Valens to Curt Cobain???
Has Derek's or Sal's desease a name...?
don freeman
PapaNate
> Does Alan Klein have an alibi for that night?
LOL! ...<chin scratching voice>...Klein did say publicly that he *would
do anything* to manage the Beatles.
PapaNate
Another nobody
<derek_...@comcast.net> wrote:
> For they had now gone from just being 'bigger than Elvis'
> to becoming an intellectual-artistic cultural phenomena
> that was directly threatening the pro-War establishment's grip
> and hold on Western civilization ( with pop-art masterworks
> such as: "All You Need Is Love", "Within You Without You",
> "Tommorrow Never Knows", "A Day In The Life",
"Penny Lane", "Here, There and Everywhere", "Eleanor Rigby",
"Paperback Writer", "For No One", etc.
>
> "Look, if anything happens to me or Yoko,
> it was not an accident!"
> -John Lennon
Gee, I thought MDC accidently shot John.
>
>
Son of Jones
change, especially since the Beatles never went anywhere to perform and
had pretty much ceased merchandising their name. Epstein saw the writing
on the wall and knew the rest of his days he would be known as Mr
formally used to be has been ex-kingmaker etc. Suicide was his choice to
make and he made it. Who wants to live in Pete Best land? Ask Brian
Jones.
SO Jones
dlarsson
"abe slaney" <abesl...@itagain.com> wrote in message
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Oh contrare! .. There is significant controversy that
surrounds the deaths of both Cobain and Monroe.
Gibson Vendettuoli
wasn't suicidal and in fact ingested one too many substances. The death
was an accident.
Jeff -
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Jeff -
There was no threat of Epstein being replaced.
>>Ask Brian Jones.
Rick
>>son-of...@webtv.net (Son of Jones)
>>Epstein was getting 25% of the Beatles from
>>day one. That was about to change,
>>especially since the Beatles never went
>>anywhere to perform and had pretty much
>>ceased merchandising their name. Epstein
>>saw the writing on the wall and knew the
>>rest of his days he would be known as Mr
>>formally used to be has been ex-kingmaker
>>etc. Suicide was his choice to make and he
>>made it. Who wants to live in Pete Best
>>land?
> There was no threat of Epstein being replaced.
Indeed. First of all, "had pretty much ceased merchandising their name"
is a crock of shit. And second, from books, interviews etc, everyone
knew on some level that Epstein was the main stabilizing force in the
band, and this was proven once he died -- the group started having
major problems immediately afterward.
As for suicide, unrequited love is a vicious thing, and it's especially
true when two people have different sexual orientations.
pfin...@gmail.com
Norbert K
> What is it with people? Someone famous dies and they see conspiracy! Do you not think he was new to the drug scene as lots of people were back then. He'd been drinking and doing barbiturates mix those and it's like a child playing with a loaded gun! Come on people! Stop seeing conspiracies around every corner..
I've seen quotations from Peter Brown to the effect that Brian had been a bit stuporous from pills in the days immediately prior to his death, and that Brown had warned Brian not to drive. Epstein had also supposedly been depressed about his waning influence over the Beatles, while the Maharishi was gaining their trust. Epstein's overdose was, however, deemed accidental by the coroner.