she does not come off well speaking in fora like last night's show. there's
no crime in that, some people are blessed with nerves of steel and the
ability to communicate warmth, sincerity, and clarity. she is not.
Odd. When she speaks to a smaller audience, she usually comes across well.
Maybe when she's speaking at something like the Grammy's she feels that she
has to make some sort of signficant statement, and that sort of thing
usually falls flat, no matter who the speaker is.
it's a rare ability to be able to "speak to the masses" like that. a good
example of what i thought was a very *good* speech last night was justin
timberlake's acceptance speech for what i think was his first award of the
night.
i think people are quick to leap to conclusion that a person who appears
awkward in that setting is awkward in real life; or if they appear stern,
that they're stern all the time; and so on. i've met enough people out
there to know that this is a poor way to judge people--in fact, ironically
the people who are warm, easygoing, and likeable in front of thousands and
thousands are poor in one-on-one situations.
I wish someone would stuff about a ton of cotton in your mouth, you
disrespectful little brat.
I just saw the backstage footage of Yoko and Sean at the Grammys on
ET. The original poster doesn't know what he is talking about. I
noticed that the background noise was pretty loud, and she cleared her
throat before answering the reporter's question. But other than that,
there was no cotton mouth and no nervousness. She speaks softly. I
didn't see her at the podium, but I think this topic is pretty lame.
francie
Maybe, but when no one's listening she talks and sings really well.
Just a thought: Diana (a friend who used to post here before it got
impossible for the girls) has done cultural studies, and found that in
Japanese tradition, it is not correct for a woman to show emotions in
public, hence the "appearance" of coldness... but I must say, lately
Yoko's interviews are much more open and humorous. She was at the
Grammys representing John Beatle, and Sean was with her, as it should
be. He is 25. All during the time he was growing up, horrible things
were being written about his mother and father. Lies, all of it.
Finally, he has come to understand why people hate his mother...
because they are desperately clinging to the image and sound of John
Beatle ("SORRY HE'S MARRIED" appeared as a "super" over John's name on
the Ed Sullivan show, so we could tell which Fab was which).
People almost don't want to let John go -- and he has been dead for
almost 24 years, longer than the new CD buying market has been
breathing!
So YOKO said "I'm sure John would be very proud, as he was proud of
all the work he did with the Beatles." backstage.
That's more than good enough for me.
Francie
Don't worry, RN. Francid's just had a little loco-weed and thinks
she's being clever.
More like a stern old school marm. Little brat? heh
And of course the OP was SO disrespectful of Yoko. Geez.
I guess Yoko's not Japanese. She cries every time she makes a public appearance.
>
> More like a stern old school marm. Little brat? heh
>
> And of course the OP was SO disrespectful of Yoko. Geez.
Wtf is the OP?
Octogarden's Pussy.
Or..........original poster.
>
hard to say this is "why people hate his mother"... there are plenty of
other reasons to dislike yoko. that's kind of like saying that people
"hate" paul mccartney because he writes cutesy, non-political songs. you're
ignoring the fact that some people hate him because they think he lies about
lennon. or they simply hate all rock and rollers.
and that some people quite like him... and yoko.
> People almost don't want to let John go -- and he has been dead for
> almost 24 years, longer than the new CD buying market has been
> breathing!
and that's 4 times longer than the new DVD buying market has been alive!
;-)
> So YOKO said "I'm sure John would be very proud, as he was proud of
> all the work he did with the Beatles." backstage.
>
> That's more than good enough for me.
me too.
you're right, that was a bit strong
there are plenty of
> other reasons to dislike yoko. that's kind of like saying that people
> "hate" paul mccartney because he writes cutesy, non-political songs.
Hey, works for me... LOL!
you're
> ignoring the fact that some people hate him because they think he lies about
> lennon. or they simply hate all rock and rollers.
>
Hmmm. I am tempted... nah!
> and that some people quite like him... and yoko.
>
I still like him even though the Lennon I like now isn't the same guy
I knew 35 yrs ago...
I know that time and those waves have changed him, for everyone who
imagines him
I sure do like Yoko a whole lot.. but it's not such a great idea to
write that on this board!!!
> > People almost don't want to let John go -- and he has been dead for
> > almost 24 years, longer than the new CD buying market has been
> > breathing!
>
> and that's 4 times longer than the new DVD buying market has been alive!
> ;-)
>
> > So YOKO said "I'm sure John would be very proud, as he was proud of
> > all the work he did with the Beatles." backstage.
> >
> > That's more than good enough for me.
>
> me too.
;-0~~~~~~
To everyone
What does 'cotton mouth' mean? We dont have that saying here in Oz
By time and those waves changing him, I meant that the historical John
Lennon separated from the real guy I knew and loved in 1968. My own
personal impressions changed the memory of John I carried around in my
heart as the years went by without contacting Yoko. Then we got
together and all that emotional distance from his memory disappeared.
She brought me back to the scene with her amazing memory... she knew
something was wrong the last time she saw me in London. The Passage of
Time, and those waves (public and private perception, human emotional
memory, and the collective unconscious...) changed him.
>
>
>
> What does 'cotton mouth' mean? We dont have that saying here in Oz
>
It means extreme dry mouth. Can be caused by sheer nervousness,
reaction to medications, or smoking a high grade of marijuana or
hashish.
> >
> > I still like him even though the Lennon I like now isn't the same guy
> > I knew 35 yrs ago...
> > I know that time and those waves have changed him, for everyone who
> > imagines him
> >
> >
He's one with the Universe, but his energy was so strong, it will
survive all the vicious lying histories that are written in the 20th
(and perhaps even the 21st) centory. It's not too late to imagine
peace.
At least 100 years after the death of the last living witness to
John's life, maybe somebody will get it right.
frannie or schwartz
http://www.petcondolences.com
NOT IN THIS LIFE
Four more days until Yoko turns 71 (thanks a bunch, Charlie!)... this
excerpt from tomorrow's Magazine says a lot about Rauschenberg's
contemporary, Yoko Ono. Besides, this thread was getting awfully
dull...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now that you're 78, do you find yourself brooding on death?
No. Not at all. I am too old for that. There once was a rich and
crazy woman who was sitting nervously at a dinner party of mine next
to John Cage. And she was just terrified because she couldn't figure
out anything to open a conversation with him. So she said, ''What do
you think about death?'' He looked right at her and said, ''I can't
wait!'' She didn't have a second thing set up to say.
Are dinner parties as good as they used to be in the bohemian 50's?
Of course not. The art world isn't interesting anymore, because when
I lived in New York, the problems in the art world were my fault. But
they no longer are. They're the fault of dealers, who are influencing
the quality of art.
Why did you leave New York in 1970 to live in Captiva, Fla.?
It was a very messy time, when it seemed to me that everybody was
leaving their spouses, and I got to feeling responsible for my
friends.
I felt I was a jinx. So I went to a fortuneteller and got a reading,
and he said that it wasn't my fault but that I should go to sunshine
and water. And I should stay away from mountains. I was pleased with
that.
What do you have against mountains?
They block the view. I like to see my distance. I think everyone has
landscapes that are sympathetic to them. I have lived on water all my
life. I was born in Port Arthur, Tex., and then I lived in New York,
and now Captiva. It makes me happy to look at the ocean.
How would you define the secret to happiness?
You tell me first.
O.K. I think if you want to be happy, you have to be willing to give
more than you receive.
That's a good idea. Also, if you expect unrealistic things, they are
unlikely to fulfill you. But if you enjoy something simple, like just
looking at the ocean, then you have it. Particularly if the ocean is
in the neighborhood. You shouldn't have fixed goals, because then you
will have disappointment.
But surely you had and still have goals as an artist.
No. I don't think so.
Didn't you want to be a great American artist?
Not particularly. I just didn't want any other artist to be better
than I was.
78?
Yeah, Rauschenberg is 78.
Hey... Happy Valentine's Day, Mr. C.
And I *mean* that, man...
;-)