Just play it a bit through to see the "evolution" of her disturbance
and to have an idea how painful it was to have her presence everyday
during the rehearsals and the recordings.
Especially since there's no video...
>
> Just play it a bit through to see the "evolution" of her disturbance
> and to have an idea how painful it was to have her presence everyday
> during the rehearsals and the recordings.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N2MwYKrAMk
Blame John, then. She was just being who she is. As the leader of the
band, he knew very well the dynamics of the band and their rehearsals
- he knew exactly what he was doing by bringing her in. It was a very
passive-aggressive move: it got him out of the band with none of the
blame - the same as he got out of his marriage with Yoko as the
scapegoat, the Dragon Lady Who Seduced our Beloved Beatle. To this
day, many of you blame her for both the breakup of his marriage and
the band, and your St. John remains unsoiled. Yes, she is odd and yes,
her singing is annoying and yes to many of the other quirky things
about her that you constantly harp on. But John picked her and one
could easily argue that he then he used her to get out of situations
that he did not have the courage to deal with honestly on his own. So
chew on that.
Yoko could have said, "no."
You raise some good points.
Both John and Yoko could have made different choices during those
tumultuous times.
Manipulation Abe..the power of manipulation..heroin kind of helps with
the manipulation process as well.
Danny
But they didn't. Get over it.
> Yoko could have said, "no."
You're making my case for me.
> Manipulation Abe..the power of manipulation..heroin kind of helps with
> the manipulation process as well.
>
> Danny
Please. Still making excuses for John, finding ways to blame the
witch...now it's the drugs...
John wanted out of his marriage; he found a way out of it and Yoko
took the blame. John wanted out of the Beatles; he found a way out of
it and Yoko took, and still takes, the blame. Exactly who manipulated
whom?
I'd hazard a guess and suspect that she was stifling his creativity.
He realized this and decided to get the hell out of the marriage.
This perception of Lennon as a weak, needy man-child - by a *fan*, no
less - is one that I imagine would have made him (Lennon) very, very
angry indeed.
Only someone who thought John Lennon was obligated to be a Beatle before
a human being would say that,.
Thanks for posting! Lennon and McCartney as session musicians for Yoko
(doesn't sound like Ringo is there). They got a nice mantra thing
going at one point with the exception of the screeching banshee.
As to the ins and outs of the John/Yoko debate as always the truth
probably lies somewhere inbetween As we say 6 of 1 and half a dozen of
the other.
None of them care what John actually thought. He was "brainwashed", after
all.
(Testing, testing) am I still in your kill file?
> None of them care what John actually thought. He was
> "brainwashed", after all.
To them, John Lennon as a person is irrelevant and an inconvenience. He
is an empty vessel they fill with their own fantasies. Reality has
little or nothing to do with it.
Spot on, Abe.
Many of you are like Robert Pirsig's friends in "Zen and the Art of
Motorcycle Maintenance".
Truth knocks at the door, and you say, "Go away, we don't have time
for you. We're looking for the truth"
Read it. You might learn something. Probably not, though.
During The YO periods he pretty much was...when the 74/75 period
happened with May there was a groove..we might have had the fabs
again..he was seeing mates..even Macca..JL was a slave to yo and it
was a great shame..YO has a lot to answer for....she is not my
favourite person.
Danny
Firsty I want to say I love you Nil.
And then we get on with the crux! JL was a bit of a pussy when it came
to YO..she manipulated the situation totally..and to her own gain..she
continues to do so now. Her fellas legacy..well..she concocts so
called "real" Lennon artwork as prints for her own financial gain..I
mean c'mon..it's not cricket old man is it?
Danny
Amen.
That's called "preaching to the choir".
Does your newsreader not allow you to quote anything that you're
responding to?
Well, I don't care what any of you say, nobody should have been annoying
the woman. They knew that would piss John off.
That's not Dick James (he popped in earlier in the day, though). It's
Michael Lindsay-Hogg, with a bit of George Martin.
then jamming with the band, screaming at the
> microphone. This video is NOT meant to be watched!
Yes, because (as Abe Slaney pointed out), it's not a video at all. Just
one of those wretched YouTube clips where they take a piece of audio and
cobble together some lame stills in a vain attempt to make it look
interesting.
> Just play it a bit through to see the "evolution" of her disturbance
> and to have an idea how painful it was to have her presence everyday
> during the rehearsals and the recordings.
I dug this out on my iPod yesterday and had a listen. Yoko is indeed
highly irritating, but John and Ringo make comical responses to her,
which are quite funny. If you can actually listen to the dialogue, John
Lennon is quite unconcerned that George has walked out, and casually
decides that they can get Eric Clapton in as a replacement. He actually
seems pissed off that George has left.
I find Michael Lindsay-Hogg much more annoying than Yoko though, with
his unfunny jokes, effete voice, and his constant harping on about doing
the show in Africa, even though the band had insisted from day one that
they weren't interested in going overseas. How the Fabz tolerated his
presence for an entire month is totally beyond me. Paul even worked with
him in the 70s (eg: "With A Little Luck" video).
Just a thought to throw out there to all: is Yoko the ultimate r.m.b.
troll, without ever having posted here? She constantly upsets a clique
of posters who spend a lot of their time and energy obsessing about her,
to the extent of seeking out tweets, sound clips and other material to
do with someone they don't like. I'm not a fan of her, but I enjoy
watching the way she gets under people's skin.
Had to turn it off, the dogs next door started to howl.
She's worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.
> Firsty I want to say I love you Nil.
I love you too, Danny, but I wish you'd let this go. It happened almost
half a century ago and it was never your or our business. Sure, we'd
all loved to have had more of that beautiful music but it was their
lives to live, not ours.
> And then we get on with the crux! JL was a bit of a pussy when it
> came to YO..she manipulated the situation totally..and to her own
> gain..she continues to do so now. Her fellas legacy..well..she
> concocts so called "real" Lennon artwork as prints for her own
> financial gain..I mean c'mon..it's not cricket old man is it?
I don't buy that in the least. You're right about John being a pussy.
He was also mean, violent, egotistical, infantile, cowardly, and
passive-aggressive. A fabulous artist, but a fucked-up human being.
Someone (Abe?) got it right earlier in this thread: John wanted out of
the Beatles, and he did what he could to make that happen, in
particular, introducing someone into the dynamic who he knew would
antagonize his business-artistic partners. She was his tool, not the
other way around. Yoko is not some magical evil witch who cast spells
over John Lennon. She was someone who John knew would help him achieve
his goal of getting out of the band without him having to confront the
situation head-on, like a grown man. He eventually got what he wanted,
though, so I guess he did the right thing after all.
I've been through band breakups myself. It's almost never caused by one
person. Everybody plays a part and shares the blame, and nobody can
really understand unless they were personally involved.
> Does your newsreader not allow you to quote anything that you're
> responding to?
He does it that way on purpose. He already stated that he's not
interested in being understood by others. Apparently it feels good to
him, and everyone else be damned. Kinda like masturbation.
So did the Beatles.
LOL! Some say she sounds like a poor cat stuck in a meat grinder.
"It's gonna be such an incredible sort of comical thing like in 50
years' time, you know... they broke up 'cause Yoko sat on an amp." ---
Paul McCartney
Prescient, Paulie. Prescient.
That's sick. You actually know people who have put cats in meat
grinders? I hope you reported them to your version of the R.S.P.C.A. If
not, then shame on you. >:(
Cite?
Yes the dialogue is interesting which is why i bothered to listen to
all that yowling - George left because of John not Paul - he was used
to shit with Paul and it did not affect him - but shit with John did.
And yes MLH sounds like a little prick. In other clips you can hear
him sucking up to Linda whilst George is doing one of his tunes.
Re John/Yoko i was chatting with Jackie Lomax last week and he told me
that Astrid K had it right when she said "John was a crazy man and he
needed a crazy woman".
> Yes the dialogue is interesting which is why i bothered to listen to
> all that yowling - George left because of John not Paul
yes, I know - that's been pretty well established, ever since all the
available Nagra tapes have surfaced.
- he was used
> to shit with Paul and it did not affect him - but shit with John did.
> And yes MLH sounds like a little prick. In other clips you can hear
> him sucking up to Linda whilst George is doing one of his tunes.
"For You Blue"?
There's another amusing bit from January 13th when Linda and MLH are
arguing about who is the bigger Beatles fan, and how the documentary
should be filmed. Quite a catty little fight.
i don't remember during which tune - i was too incensed as it thought
bet they don't do that during Paul or John's numbers!
i never heard the other one - i don't have all the recordings just the
George centric ones.
Hey Brillie my son is in Brisbane having the time of his life - he
absolutely loves it.
>> "For You Blue"?
>
> i don't remember during which tune - i was too incensed as it thought
> bet they don't do that during Paul or John's numbers!
> i never heard the other one - i don't have all the recordings just the
> George centric ones.
Here's a link to part of it - in glorious stereo. On the left are
various people talking. On the right is George and co playing.
http://www.brilton.net/html/i/beatles_nagra_split.html
Seriously though, you shouldn't take everything as a personal slight
against your poor old George. I seem to remember you annotating the
Geoff Emerick book. No, seriously, you shouldn't let it worry you.
> Hey Brillie my son is in Brisbane having the time of his life - he
> absolutely loves it.
Yeah, Brisbane's OK. It got flooded out over the summer and became
unbearably smelly, apparently. Friends of ours had to relocate to the
Gold Coast.
With May.
.we might have had the fabs
> again..
But we didn't see the fabs again. Obviously. John wasn't "that"
interested
in a reunion.
he was seeing mates..even Macca..
So what? What went down is that there was no reunion. You have
to live with it. George even stated in 1973 or "74" that you can't
go backwards. "Why live a life that isn't real".....in his song "Be
here now". Without George, it wouldn't have been a Beatles
reunion.
JL was a slave to yo and it
> was a great shame..YO has a lot to answer for....she is not my
> favourite person.
>
> Danny
Yoko has nothing to answer for. She and John didn't live their
lives to please you. And who cares if she isn't your favorite
person? Sorry to put it like that, Danny, but it's reality
for those who keep bashing Yoko.
Fer cryin' out loud.. . . .
Very funny response, thanks for making me laugh
IIRC they used her singing for some of the prisoners at Gitmo ( no
joke, I think that is true)
They used Christina Aguilera, too. What's your point?
Uh-uh. Come on. Put up or shut up.
*You* said "*Some* say she sounds like a poor cat stuck in a meat
grinder". That's the literal quote.
The onus is on you to provide evidence of these people you are referring
to who have heard a cat wailing as it has been fed through a meat
grinder. Unless of course you are being your usual disingenuous self,
and are in reality saying that *you* think Yoko sounds like a cat cat
stuck in a meat grinder and are simply too cowardly to state that it's
your own opinion.
It does boggle the mind, however, that someone would take delight in
imagining a small domestic animal being cruelly killed, merely to equate
it to the vocal sounds of an individual that they direct their obsessive
hate at. I can't even begin to imagine what sort of sick world your mind
inhabits.
Many years ago, I once watched helplessly as a cat ran across a busy
four-lane road, and went under the front wheels of a car. Its spine was
was crushed, but it still had enough life left in it to crawl back onto
the verge, whereupon it died. I'm not a cat person at all, but I
wouldn't wish that kind of thing on any animal. And you think it's funny
to imagine a cat being shredded alive by metal blades. You disgust me.
You really do.
Couldn't agree more Abe. John seems to always get a pass as an
innocent bystander in the whole Yoko thing, when in fact he could have
separated business from pleasure at any point, choosing pleasure and
leaving the group as soon as he saw it was not working for anyone but
himself. It was ridiculously unfair for him to expect the others to
adapt to his new choices if they chose not to.
I don't blame Yoko for anything but being in the right place at the
right time.
TH
I really don't think the "weak, needy man-child thing" is far off the
mark, even going by his own remarks about himself, and certainly not
after considering his maternal history, and his jaunts with everyone
from the Maharishi to the conning Magic Alex. That whole quality
about him was part of what allowed him to be sensitive enough to write
many of the wonderful songs he wrote. I don't see it as a fault, more
a characteristic.
Lennon wasn't brainwashed, he was a man who made a lot of bad
decisions, like many of us. His was just on an international stage
where most of the rest of us make our mistakes in relative obscurity.
TH
Bye bye.
Just because it is "ancient history" that Hitler invaded many European
countries and caused World War II so very many years ago, doesn't mean
that we can't still NOW talk about what a ruthless and evil monster of
a man he was. I say we continue to bash Hitler and call him out for
what he was.
> it's the way the new google newsgroup thingie works.
Well, no, it's the way you choose to use it. Google is quite able to
quote previous material.
> if my post is under yours then that's what i responded to.
I don't use Google. Your post is not "under" mine.
> but i don't think i am really that hard to understand - unless i'm
> posting after 9PM. that usually means i've had a flash before
> bedtime.
I saw a good bumper sticker yesterday: "If it wasn't for flashbacks,
I'd have no memory at all."
>Lennon wasn't brainwashed, he was a man who made a lot of bad
>decisions, like many of us. His was just on an international stage
>where most of the rest of us make our mistakes in relative obscurity.
>
>TH
Absolutely. And God knows I wouldn't want to be judged through all
eternity by mistakes I made mostly in my 20s.
http://www.sibetrans.com/trans/a152/music-as-torture-music-as-weapon
"Whatever one might make of this playlist (it seems to me to indicate
the blog’s demographic rather precisely), http://littlegreenfootballs.com
‘s competition provoked few mean-spirited comments. By contrast, Free
Republic’s June 10, 2005, posting of a news story about the Army’s
quest for a new speaker system to deliver music as a weapon or
“torture” device sparked repertoire suggestions that were occasionally
laced with multivalent venom. Suggestions early that evening included
the music of Sousa, Welk, Donny and Marie, Barry Manilow, sound
effects ranging from Tibetan chants to rabbits being slaughtered, the
fantasy of Bill and Hillary singing “I got you, Babe”, and “anything
by Yoko Ono”. Ono soon became the subject of her own racist,
misogynist mini-thread. Mr Jazz wrote “You might as well stick panties
on the head of everyone in the village. At least THAT would be more
human than using Yoko Ono as a weapon of torture”. Straight Vermonter
posted a parody of Article 13 from the Geneva Conventions to prohibit
the use of her music. And Ramius wrote
No dude...we gotta have some limits...I mean...just damn. I mean...
pork fat, shredded Koran, menstrual fluids...I see the usefulness
there. But I gotta draw the line at Yoko. I mean, we’re not
barbarians.
The belief that music could torture emerges, in the blogosphere, among
people who feel themselves to be “tortured” by certain musics–rap
music, disco, sentimental ballads, the music of Yoko Ono."
> You disgust me.
> You really do.
Well, you disgust some of us as well, Brilton, with your constantly
flogging of us over our simple belief that Yoko broke up the greatest
band in history.
You really do.
>> for those who keep bashing Yoko.
>
> Just because it is "ancient history" that Hitler invaded many European
> countries and caused World War II so very many years ago, doesn't mean
> that we can't still NOW talk about what a ruthless and evil monster of
> a man he was. I say we continue to bash Hitler and call him out for
> what he was.
By "Godwinning" a thread, you are exposed as being so intellectually
lazy that you have to invoke Nazi Germany in order to support your
argument. I wish I could say I was surprised that you could be so
witless, but, sadly, I can't even go as far as saying that.
You're wrong.
It makes it very difficult to understand what you are referring to.
So you enjoy the sound of poor defenceless domestic animals being
tortured as well. Doesn't surprise me. You sick individual. You should
be ashamed.
Hey, I'm a lazy, witless idiot.
What can I say?
>On Sep 4, 6:23 pm, abe slaney <abesla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 4, 3:20 pm, AllaBest <electriclight...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > An annoying Yoko Ono during the Beatles Twickenham rehearsal
>> > session in 1969. First constantly calling John Lennon while he's
>> > talking to Dick James, then jamming with the band, screaming at the
>> > microphone. This video is NOT meant to be watched!
>>
>> Especially since there's no video...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Just play it a bit through to see the "evolution" of her disturbance
>> > and to have an idea how painful it was to have her presence everyday
>> > during the rehearsals and the recordings.
>>
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N2MwYKrAMk
>>
>> Blame John, then. She was just being who she is. As the leader of the
>> band, he knew very well the dynamics of the band and their rehearsals
>> - he knew exactly what he was doing by bringing her in. It was a very
>> passive-aggressive move: it got him out of the band with none of the
>> blame - the same as he got out of his marriage with Yoko as the
>> scapegoat, the Dragon Lady Who Seduced our Beloved Beatle. To this
>> day, many of you blame her for both the breakup of his marriage and
>> the band, and your St. John remains unsoiled. Yes, she is odd and yes,
>> her singing is annoying and yes to many of the other quirky things
>> about her that you constantly harp on. But John picked her and one
>> could easily argue that he then he used her to get out of situations
>> that he did not have the courage to deal with honestly on his own. So
>> chew on that.
>
>You raise some good points.
>Both John and Yoko could have made different choices during those
>tumultuous times.
>
For the last time... YOKO COULD NOT BREAK UP THE BEATLES.
SHE WAS NOT A MEMBER.
Quite possibly she made the rehearsals difficult. JOHN CHOSE TO KEEP
HER THERE AND LET HER CONTINUE.
Yoko did not break up the Beatles. The Beatles drifted apart. Yoko may
well have been one the last straws breaking the camels back, but I
firmly believe they would have ended soon enough, even if Yoko was
never born.
How is it that you jump to these conclusions ("You sick individual.
You should
> be ashamed."), just to bash me (and others) for things that we haven't said, or done?
That DOES surprise me since you are the one who is claiming the high
ground in this discussion, and doing that, I think, that makes YOU the
sick individual, and truly, YOU should be ashamed.
I dont know about that either. Wasnt it George who announced he was
thru, or sick of it all, on the plane ride on the way home from
Candlestick Park in 1966?
thats a signinficant crack in the foundation, right there.
Possible George was unhappy with "being a Beatle" for a very long
time.
yeah, when i click <-Post reply i get a blank text box. i assume some designer thinks this is the best way for it to work.
anyway, i rarely (if ever) say anything that important. i mostly just quip some sort of on topic comment and usually try to keep it beatlie.
so kill at will if you must.....
"Up in the mornin',
Out on the job,
I work like the devil for my pay.
I know that lucky old sun, has nothin' to do,
But roll around heaven all day."
You cruel, wretched fucking bastard. How dare you trivialise the plight
of poor little animals.
We had to put down our little dog Lucy last month. We shared our lives
with her for over fifteen years. Do you think that's funny or something?
As the vet tried to put the catheter in her front leg to administer some
tranquiliser prior to the euthenasing shot that would put her out of her
misery, the line slipped out, and our poor little dog howled in pain and
fear.
That's funny, is it? That reminds you of Yoko Ono, and it MAKES YOU LAUGH?
You fucking heartless bastard!!!
Sorry to hear about your dog, Brilton.
Get a grip though because I seriously don't understand you, and what
might be your problem at all.
>Possible George was unhappy with "being a Beatle" for a very long
>time.
For an artist to be allowed to only contribute a couple of songs per
year would be very frustrating. But of course makes for a good triple
album down the road.
-gj
Pity he didn't release one. He did, however, release a good three sided
album that was padded into a triple album.
I don't compare Yoko to Hitler. Sorry about that.
My sister sent me these in a pdf file. They are chilling.
Adjust the photos to full screen.
You missed the point as usual, Jeff.
Yes, they are. Thanks for sharing.
Robert, It's nonsense that Yoko broke up the Beatles. If
you keep saying the same thing each time, you start
to believe it....but, it doesn't make it the truth.
George Kastanza: "Its not a lie.... if you believe it"
Different strokes for different folks.
Yep.
"Abbey Road" proves you wrong.
The "Get Back" sessions were just a little bit of a burping mistake.
They had enough brilliance to light the world with their tunes for a
good long time to come.
Cheers Brillie - my son must like smelly places then. i don't let it
worry me - its just obvious when someone is a wally.
It wasn't this - it was much more annoying than this. i will see if i
can find it. i had not hear this before so thanks -
Actually, if you read "Body Count" by Francie Schwarz who was Paul's
girlfriend post Jane and pre Linda you could be forgiven for thinking
Paul had a big part in breaking up the Beatles.
Of course George was fed up (Francie said that he was fed up but he
"chose to be happy") but he looked for a solution - he suggested they
record and release solo stuff while continuing to work together.
Sorry about Lucy. i don't know how i would react if something happened
to one of my little cats.
Some say she sounds like a jew in a shower.
If you like the whole album, fair enough, but it's not accurate to say
he had a triple album's worth of songs when a third of the album is
Apple Jam.
>If you like the whole album, fair enough, but it's not accurate to say
>he had a triple album's worth of songs when a third of the album is
>Apple Jam.
True, though I personally do enjoy the "Apple Jam" part. Not
something I listen to every day, but I enjoy it when I do.
"It's Johnny's Birthday" is a favorite of mine and has aged really
well, I think.
> Of course George was fed up (Francie said that he was fed up but he
> "chose to be happy") but he looked for a solution - he suggested they
> record and release solo stuff while continuing to work together.
And THAT would have, could have and SHOULD HAVE been the answer!
>
> Sorry about Lucy. i don't know how i would react if something happened
> to one of my little cats.
No it's all right. She had a good long life.
Re: your cats, God forbid, if anything *did* happen to one of them,
Fattuchus would probably go: "LOL! That sounds like Yoko!!"
>
> Sorry to hear about your dog, Brilton.
Don't need any pity from you.
>
> Get a grip though because I seriously don't understand you, and what
> might be your problem at all.
I'll spell it out slowly for you.
I don't find the sound of animals in pain amusing in any way.
It's very hard to defend a comment like that. Fattuchus may be one of
the dimmest, most obnoxious, disingenuous creatures in all of Usenet,
but there are better ways of swatting her back down than that. And
please don't come back all wide-eyed and "what do you mean?"
> "It's Johnny's Birthday" is a favorite of mine and has aged really
> well, I think.
Yes, for a blatent plagiarism, it's held up great!
This is the song George should have been sued over, not "My Sweet
Lord." Except the money payoff wouldn't have been as great.
I thought up a good quote for those who feel Yoko broke up the
Beatles: "To those who feel Yoko Broke up the Beatles,
you're most likely the type to blame someone else when
things go wrong in your own personal lives".
J.C.
I always thought he's just singing on top of a pipe-organ recording of
"Congratulations"with his own words. (checks Wiki). Hell, I always
thought "Congratulations" was closer to being a standard, but in fact it
was written in 1968, and was even England's Eurovision entry!
Small side note - the 2000 remaster mixes up the order of the Apple Jam,
and starts with "It's Johnny's Birthday".
Another side note - Ringo also recorded a birthday tune for John's 30th.
> I thought up a good quote for those who feel Yoko broke up the
> Beatles: "To those who feel Yoko Broke up the Beatles,
> you're most likely the type to blame someone else when
> things go wrong in your own personal lives".
>
> J.C.
That Jesus Christ was a pretty wise guy.
LOL, Nil. Hey, did you get the Apple Jam if you bought the
ATMP 2000 remaster? It wasn't included in the one I
bought.
Good singer. I loved his Resurrection Shuffle. He nailed it.
> I always thought he's just singing on top of a pipe-organ
> recording of "Congratulations"with his own words. (checks Wiki).
I did, too, and I still do, but I couldn't find a citation for it, so I
left that part out. The organ recording is cheesy, but more competently
played than George could manage, I think.
I went to the video first and before I even looked at the Wikipedia
page, I thought "must have been a Eurovision entry."