OK, so no WMD and now no link between Iraq and Al-q. My question is........
Mellow Yellow
(the drek larrsons and the trish lawrences and other goosesteppers of the
newsgroup feel free to abstain)
jweber
I can't speak for them, but the US gets lied to from prominient figures
every day. But in a bizarre twist of fate, the President of all people seems
innocent of any wrongdoing.
Just look at the supporting cast. Congress....walking dead guys....Ted
Kennedy....
The biggest lie i've heard is that J Lo is pregnant. That's the kind of shit
that permeates the airwaves where the question itself seems to have it's own
satellite and show up everywhere, like the Goodyear blimp.
But talk about the Presidency is sporadic. No one cares about Bush anymore,
and with the elections ending in November, it's doubtful he'd last. Is there
a way to forfeit and plead insanity?
Mellow Yellow
"jweber" <du...@assassinatedpress.com> wrote in message
news:0ZcAc.119558$oQ6.1...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >does the average american feel he/she has been lied to?
>
> I can't speak for them, but the US gets lied to from prominient figures
> every day.
but its not everyday that those lies involve the illegal invasion of a
sovereign country, not to mention a ham-fisted and ill-advised amateurish
attempt at establishing a US powerbase in the middle east.
>But in a bizarre twist of fate, the President of all people seems
> innocent of any wrongdoing.
oh sweet jesus, please tell me you're kidding!
>
> Just look at the supporting cast. Congress....walking dead guys....Ted
> Kennedy....
this statement is ample proof you should stick to your earlier post and stay
out of political discussions.
> But talk about the Presidency is sporadic. No one cares about Bush
anymore,
> and with the elections ending in November, it's doubtful he'd last. Is
there
> a way to forfeit and plead insanity?
sure, as long as you can find away to stem the upsurge in fanatical assholes
who want to be suicide bombers and attack the west, an upsurge that can be
directly traced back to the moron bush and his neocon assholes
puppet-masters like perle, wolfowitz and feith.
Martin Hofner
read books or do research? On this particular issue look up Stephen
Hayes new book. And I am sure you don't think the idiots on the 9/11
commission aren't politicized. Mellow (disaffective) Yellow
(Chickenshit) suits you. Consider your pansy, shallow, and most
important OFF TOPIC rants, killfiled.
Hasta la vista butthead.
Now...back to the BEATLES !
ripper
> You off topic moron. Sample the media that suits you best. Don't you
> read books or do research?
Are you kidding? All he does is read articles on the internet and associate
with his "neolibs" at the neighborhood watering holes. Suddenly, he'z an
expert.
On this particular issue look up Stephen
> Hayes new book. And I am sure you don't think the idiots on the 9/11
> commission aren't politicized. Mellow (disaffective) Yellow
> (Chickenshit) suits you. Consider your pansy, shallow, and most
> important OFF TOPIC rants, killfiled.
>
> Hasta la vista butthead.
>
> Now...back to the BEATLES !
Oh well then Nick's outta here. He aint here to talk Beatles. Lol. He'z
just here to flame Bush and Americans. He's becoming as mundane and boring
as Derek Larsssson's frequent rants. I remember the old Nick that used to
be fun. Apparently someone needs to change this versions batteries. He's
worn out.....;-)
SW
"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote in message
news:carjhi$r91$0...@pita.alt.net...
> does the average american feel he/she has been lied to?
>
these guys *really* be re-elected??
R.A.G. Seely
news:bW9hbnM=.24b4e011af62c497...@1087499704.nulluser.com:
> the single most boring person here, with the possible
> exception of Ian the Ped.
OK - talk of consistency! How can you expect to be taken seriously when
you complain of victimisation, when you continue to repeat - gratuitously -
what's probably the most slanderous (libelous, I guess, in a written forum)
accusation against another poster, an accusation clearly unsupported by
your own "evidence" and without any foundation whatsoever. All because of
a long forgotten battle, now only fanned by Ian's refusal to denounce Nick
when he offends you. You know better, and would be better if you dropped
this "Ian the Ped" stuff. Stick to the current "offences" - you're on
better ground with them. Drop the us vs them history, and life will seem
clearer.
And if this seems another example of my supposed "hypocrisy", I'd remind
you that Nick doesn't claim to be better than he is - you have with your
complaints against me. (If he wrote me the same complaint, I'd probably
answer the same way. And if he also followed it up with libel as you've
done, I'd probably add the same comment I've made here. Difference is, he
doesn't. Not that that makes him any better - just more honest about what
he's adding (!) to the group.) If you want to be seen as better than Nick,
rise above his level. It's your choice.
-= rags =-
Mellow Yellow
"Martin Hofner" <yearo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:883a78b8.04061...@posting.google.com...
> You off topic moron. Sample the media that suits you best.
its not the media, idiot.
its the 9/11 commission.
>Don't you
> read books or do research? On this particular issue look up Stephen
> Hayes new book. And I am sure you don't think the idiots on the 9/11
> commission aren't politicized. Mellow (disaffective) Yellow
> (Chickenshit) suits you. Consider your pansy, shallow, and most
> important OFF TOPIC rants, killfiled.
the truth hurts.
Mellow Yellow
"R.A.G. Seely" <rags__A@T__math.mcgill.ca.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns950BB099CC9C3li...@127.0.0.1...
all due respect rags, why do you waste your time arguing with a cumstain
like feekle?
the only time i see him sticking his nose into topics is when someone
replies to him.
in fact, with ripper and feekle killfiled, i rarely, and i mean less than
once a month, see their childish rants at all.
;-)
dlarsson
> does the average american feel he/she has been lied to?
Bush/Cheney has been lying all along:
1. "Most of my tax cuts go toward the middle class"
LIE
2. "We can afford my 10 trillion tax cut without creating deficits"
LIE
3. That Al Gore's critique of Bush reckless Tax /Budget policy
was just "fuzzy math" ( Bush's numbers had the math
problems )
4. That "Clinton gutted the military so much that
two command divisions had to report
'not ready for duty sir' " LIE
5. "I will restore honor and dignity to the White House."
( by invading other sovereign nations - who did not attack us?
by telling lies to start wars?
by committing torture of civilians?
by bankrupting the country - cerating a $500 billion hole?
by having the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover?
by breaking all standing international treaties in place?
by defying the geneva conventions?
by giving out 15 billion dollars of our taxes to Halliburton?
by using WMD's, cluster bombs, to eliminate non-existence
weapons?
by building new Nuclear Weapons?
by allowing the worst intelligence failures to occur on his
watch?
by trying to obstruct the Sept. 11 investigation?
by dissing the United Nations?,
oh yeah and by lying? ... ) LIE
6. "No Child Left Behind" ( not funded, public schools weakened )
LIE
7. "Clear Skies Act" ( makes fowing the air quality and water
quality legal)
8. "Patriot Act" deprives citizens of their rights to trial,
due-process, courts,
9. "Compassionate Conservative" LIE !!
( $500 deficits are not remotely conservative )
The fact is,
Bush had never told the public the truth about anything.
It has been wall-to-wall lies and deceptions from the start.
And, he lost the election by a whopping 550,000 votes
and then required obstruction of the normal recount process
to fool people into thinking he should even be in the White House
LIAR!
> ( other goosesteppers of the newsgroup feel free to abstain)
The "goosesteppers" are the Sean Hannitys, the Bill O'Reillys,
the Rush Limbaughs, the Ann Coulters, the Dennis Millers,
the Laura Ingrahams, the Joe Scarboroughs, the Brett Humes,
the Fred Barnes, the Aaron Browns, the Wolf Blitzers,
the Paula Zahns, the Judy Millers, etc. that stick their
head in the sand and ignore what a colossal fraud and failure
this clown - george dubbya has been for the country
and blindly defend his failed results:
[ terrorism worse, economy worse, deficits not surpluses,
quality of life worse, government dishonesty worse,
thousands of people dead by his actions, worldwide chaos,
America hated across the world like never before ]
and then try and paint people speaking up against
it (a cornerstone of our democracy) as "anti-american".
Nobody who cares about the country - could ever
hope for another 4 years of this type of a track record.
- Derek
================================
EMail: derek_...@comcast.net
================================
Jones
don't I?
BTW, using a small "i" to refer to yourself is a sign of low self
esteem.
You could end it all you know, there at 192 Day Road Sydney Australia.
Why don't you. Nobody loves you, so why don't you. Go talk to John and
George.
Timothy J
jweber
"TheBowlWeevil" <weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote
> As for the Prick, tell ya what: keep responding to me, here and in on
> topic threads, and let's see how long it is before he is harassing you
> for it, flooding your EMail box, forging your posts, etc.
That's the thing about Nick. As stupid as he is, he does know better to stay
on friendly terms with certain people that will lend him some type of
credibility. In this case, R.A.G.S.
It's interesting Nicko goes on a rampage today defaming some guy in subject
headers, and when he's done with that, he starts in on Francie. Not a peep
from anyone after all that... Andrews the Drunken Aussie is basically rmb's
bully- leave him alone, and he won't insult you or the country you live in.
But disagree with the moron? You better be ready.
I know violence never solves anything, but i'm with you, d00d. I'd love to
get Nicko into a kickboxing arena. I think the first punch alone will have
him consuming nothing but liquids the rest of his life.
-John "Boom Boom" W.
Mellow Yellow
"Jones" <tlcr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27320-40...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
> You could kill file ME but you don't, do you? I nourish you somehow,
> don't I?
no, i just remember slimey anti-semitic assholes like you who like to pray
on small children.
>
> BTW, using a small "i" to refer to yourself is a sign of low self
> esteem.
LOL!
> You could end it all you know, there at 192 Day Road Sydney Australia.
> Why don't you. Nobody loves you, so why don't you. Go talk to John and
> George.
oh dont worry, it's not going to "end" the way you'd like it to......:)
Mellow Yellow
LOL!
theres nothing quite so sad as a spineless idiot making big noises about how
he's gonna do this and he's gonna do that if olnyl there wasnt an ocean
between him and his intended "victim".
in fact, congratulations are in order for you webby, you've finally reached
the pathos lever of feekle
and anyway johhny, did you forget how merkle kept posting about your "dead
parents" and the state of decompostion of certain family members of yours,
or is that all just a bit of friendly banter bewteen bros??.......:)
ROFLOLMAO!
Mister Charlie
>
> "TheBowlWeevil" <weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote
>
> > As for the Prick, tell ya what: keep responding to me, here and in
on
> > topic threads, and let's see how long it is before he is harassing
you
> > for it, flooding your EMail box, forging your posts, etc.
>
> That's the thing about Nick. As stupid as he is, he does know better
to stay
> on friendly terms with certain people that will lend him some type of
> credibility. In this case, R.A.G.S.
>
> It's interesting Nicko goes on a rampage today defaming some guy in
subject
> headers, and when he's done with that, he starts in on Francie. Not a
peep
> from anyone after all that... Andrews the Drunken Aussie is basically
rmb's
> bully- leave him alone, and he won't insult you or the country you
live in.
> But disagree with the moron? You better be ready.
>
what-for from plenty of folks, same as other bullies and trolls do.
This whole idea about him getting off scot free is bullshit, and it
always has been. You yourself make sure his barbs don't go unanswered.
And you're not alone.
There's plenty of abusive posters to go around in here.
Mellow Yellow
"Mister Charlie" <smokerdu...@myway.com> wrote in message
news:2jf250F...@uni-berlin.de...
ssshh, dont spoil webby's little victim fantasies!
its all he has left!
jweber
"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
> and anyway johhny, did you forget how merkle kept posting about your "dead
> parents" and the state of decompostion of certain family members of yours,
> or is that all just a bit of friendly banter bewteen bros??.......:)
Nope. I never forgot it. But he did one thing that you're not even capable
of- he apologized for it.
You've never apologized for anything you've ever done in your life, and
that's what makes Marek 500% more of a decent man than you.
jweber
"Mister Charlie" <smokerdu...@myway.com> wrote
> Oh fer chrissakes. No one is letting nick run rampant.
Who doesn't let him get away with it? Who?
If you can name more than five people, you've outdone yourself. And I don't
expect anyone to call Nick up on everything. The guy's a troll, anyway. But
for some odd reason, some people actually respect him. Must be because of
the RMB Millenium Disc that took him 2 years to produce.
Should have hired Axl Rose- would have been quicker.
ripper
LOL. "Killfiled" indeed. You crack me up, cunt. You're reading this now.
And if you *did* actually killfile me, then this proves you cannot beat me
(or Marek for that matter.) Again...........we win. Why, wasn't it just
last year (while Marek was absent spending your hard earned money
traveling) that you said (and I quote) "Marek will never post here freely
again." LOFL. Sorry old boy but he can and will and you are now powerless
to netcop him as you did in the past (yet another example of your hypocrisy
was when you chastised John Weber for encouraging others to netcop Larson
for his thousands of off topic posts- I believe you stated that it
was "low" of him to netcop Larson for his numerous OT posts.) Of course you
netcopped Marek (and a few others) religiously and then pranced around here
in a drunken stupor parading about the cancellation replies you received
from AOL.) Lol. You're the epitome of a hypocritical asshole and I laugh at
you. I'm not alone either.
Finally, has it crossed your dimwitted pea brain that at ANY time, I am
free to change my online posting handle (as you've done hundreds of times)
and pop right back out of your "killfile."
Oh but wait, I won't do that. You see, I'm not a troll like you are.
Game, set, match!
Mister Charlie
>
> "Mister Charlie" <smokerdu...@myway.com> wrote
>
> > Oh fer chrissakes. No one is letting nick run rampant.
>
> Who doesn't let him get away with it? Who?
Me, for one.
Donna, Susan, Will, you (there's your 5) and if I bothered to look
(which I won't) there would be even more.
Many people have him killfiled so much of his ranting is empty gestures
anyway. Who's going to correct what they don't see?
>
> If you can name more than five people, you've outdone yourself.
Thank you. I hope there's a cash prize attached to this.
And I don't
> expect anyone to call Nick up on everything. The guy's a troll,
anyway. But
> for some odd reason, some people actually respect him. Must be because
of
> the RMB Millenium Disc that took him 2 years to produce.
>
> Should have hired Axl Rose- would have been quicker.
All irrelevant frou frou. I see no respect for him from anyone but Ian.
Maybe the odd poster or two elsewhere.
As you say, he is ignored like many trolls, but it sure as hell isn't
because people are LETTING him get away with anything (as if ANYone here
has the power to stop him or anyone else).
That's Marek's storyline bleeding thru and you don't help by
perpetuating it. The only good thing Marek ever did for anyone was come
up with Nick's nickname.
>
>
>
>
>
ripper
> "TheBowlWeevil" <weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote
>
> > As for the Prick, tell ya what: keep responding to me, here and in on
> > topic threads, and let's see how long it is before he is harassing you
> > for it, flooding your EMail box, forging your posts, etc.
>
> That's the thing about Nick. As stupid as he is, he does know better to
stay
> on friendly terms with certain people that will lend him some type of
> credibility. In this case, R.A.G.S.
Rags isn't stupid. He knows how Nick is. I *almost* said something to him
yesterday in regard to a post from Jones in which he stated that posting
someone's personal information was extremely low and a real insight into
that person's personality, etc (not his exact words but you get the
picture) yet Nick did this exact same thing to Marek 100's of times.
So, if his words were true and he did mean what he said, then he knows how
Nick is. I won't post anyone'z personal info and Nick knows that (I have
his info just as he has mine that I sent him for an RMB Around the World CD
which I *never* received BTW. Hell, I was willing to pay for it too. I
wanted the moron's version of "I Am the Walrus" because it was actually
good and I too, am a vocalist.)
>
> It's interesting Nicko goes on a rampage today defaming some guy in
subject
> headers, and when he's done with that, he starts in on Francie. Not a peep
> from anyone after all that... Andrews the Drunken Aussie is basically
rmb's
> bully- leave him alone, and he won't insult you or the country you live
in.
> But disagree with the moron? You better be ready.
I'm **more** than ready. Heh, some of the hackers I hang with would hand
him his ass without a speck of remorse or second thought. But I don't hate
Nick (and he knows this) - I just think he'z a pathetic asshole 98% of the
time. The other 2% he's servicing me. LOL.
> I know violence never solves anything, but i'm with you, d00d. I'd love to
> get Nicko into a kickboxing arena. I think the first punch alone will have
> him consuming nothing but liquids the rest of his life.
Heh, I wouldn't doubt it for a moment.
>
> -John "Boom Boom" W.
ripper
No dickless, the majority of those posts were from you using anonymous
remailers (as you did yesterday against "poisoned rose."
You think that everyone is as st00pid as you are Nick? Lol. Do I need to
hold you by your clammy widdle hand and spell it out for you?
You see Marek exchange words with Poisoned Rose. Now, everyone knows you
hate Marek because he owned you for so long. And we know that you DID
encourage your "SS Minnow" buddies to get anonymous accounts "like yours."
Weber knows it as do several other of your "friends" who you stepped on.
Add to that, the fact that you saw a chance to SE Poisoned Rose into
thinking "Marek" was attacking him using anonymous remailers (PR walked
right into it when he stated that "that Marek guy" used those remailers.)
So he was good bait to use to further your own little pissant war against
Marek (whom you claim to have killfiled.....LOL). So you cruise over to a
scat site, lift a story and hit the Italian remailer (which supports
the "From" line) post your shit and then wait for PR to reply. He naturally
thinks it'z Marek and OH LOOK, you're right there to reinforce that notion.
Please Nick, my IQ is 168. Don't waste your time. This may work with the
cattle but it don't cut the mustard with people who have a cl00.
> ROFLOLMAO!
Yeah, we are laughing.
ripper
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:27:13 GMT, in article
> <Xns950BB099CC9C3li...@127.0.0.1>, R.A.G. Seely stated:
>
> >And if he also followed it up with libel as you've
> >done, I'd probably add the same comment I've made here.
>
> Well, he just accused someone of being a child rapist in another thread.
In the
> subject line, no less, so even those of us who don't care to read it are
likely
> to see it.
>
> Go ahead, Rags. You have the floor.
LOFL!! Ok that *is* funny..........
>
>
> >Not that that makes him any better - just more honest about what
> >he's adding (!) to the group.)
>
> All the facts indicate that Nick lives to annoy and harrass.
>
> You want to talk about sticking to recent history? Based on recent
history,
> Marek is an angel, relatively speaking.
Ya know, I publically apologize to you here and now for all of my past
actions or bad thoughts toward you. I was misled about a lot of things
which are now, no longer important. I am dead serious. I know you dislike
Marek with a passion and that is your business but you're words here have
proven without a doubt that you really are one intelligent ballsy person
who isn't afraid to be honest and state the obvious regardless of
the "popular" crowd opinon. You now have my respect and alwayz will.
Tom Hartman
>
>
>
>
> newsgroup feel free to abstain)
Actually, the press has lied to you about their findings. Just
tonight, one of the members of the commission was on TV and made it
very clear that they did NOT say there were no Al Q. links with
Iraq....only that there were no links for the particular 911 incident.
He was very indignant that the findings were being reported the way
they were....
jweber
"Mister Charlie" <smokerdu...@myway.com> wrote
> That's Marek's storyline bleeding thru and you don't help by
> perpetuating it.
That's me. I'm the great perpetuator.
Mellow Yellow
LOL!
Mellow Yellow
>
> "Mister Charlie" <smokerdu...@myway.com> wrote
>
> > Oh fer chrissakes. No one is letting nick run rampant.
>
> Who doesn't let him get away with it? Who?
LOL!
stop frothing at the mouth, webby!
Mellow Yellow
> Must be because of
> the RMB Millenium Disc that took him 2 years to produce.
just when you thought webby couldnt get any lamer!
ROFLOMAFAO! !!!
Mellow Yellow
"Tom Hartman" <t...@aerovons.com> wrote in message
news:47153260.04061...@posting.google.com...
> "Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote in message
news:<carjhi$r91$0...@pita.alt.net>...
> > does the average american feel he/she has been lied to?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > (the drek larrsons and the trish lawrences and other goosesteppers of
the
> > newsgroup feel free to abstain)
>
>
> Actually, the press has lied to you about their findings.
are you're saying that george bush claiming that WMD were an imminent threat
to america was true?(and please lets not fall into that whole "faulty
intelligence" nonsense. bush and co were sure enough about it at the time to
illegally invade a sovereign country on the basis of the claim). i dont
think i need to start posting cite after cite to establish that in fact the
adminstraion clearly stated as much, but i can if you want me to.;)
that was a lie, pure and simple, and bush used it to invade a tin pot
country that posed no threat to its nearest neighbour, let alone a far off
country like the USA.
>Just
> tonight, one of the members of the commission was on TV and made it
> very clear that they did NOT say there were no Al Q. links with
> Iraq....only that there were no links for the particular 911 incident.
right.
yet well over 150 million americans were led to believe the exact opposite
by bush and co.
now you got ask yourself, why is that?
> He was very indignant that the findings were being reported the way
> they were....
i bet he was. so anyway, back to the point: do you feel pissed off that the
president lied to you in order to invade a pissant country that had no part
in 9/11, let alone posed a threat to the US?
sometimes you just got to wake up and smell the roses, tommy..:).
Throbby
"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
> just when you thought webby couldnt get any lamer!
Your production of music CD's is quite a bit lamer, Nicko. Key thing- you
must turn the equalizer on, or none of those 24 buttons will work, you
drunken sod.
Mellow Yellow
QUESTION: Mr. President, why does the administration continue to insist
that Saddam had a relationship with al Qaeda, when even you have denied
any connection between Saddam and September 11th, and now the September
11th commission says that there was no collaborative relationship at
all?
BUSH: The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship
between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship
between Iraq and al Qaeda.
This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated
between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts
between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence
officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan.
There's numerous contacts between the two.
see http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
==
Last year's lie....................>
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of
Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate
March 18, 2003
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)
Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military
Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based
on information available to me, including that in the enclosed
document, I determine that:
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other
peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national
security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by
Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations
Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is
consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to
take the necessary actions against international terrorists and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or
persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist
attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Sincerely,
GEORGE W. BUSH
==
*sitting back waiting for the repugs to squirm and twist as they try to make
out this is NOT clear evidence that old georgy porgy lied thru his teeth.;)*
Mellow Yellow
"Throbby" <rub...@throbby.com> wrote in message
news:SGuAc.122899$oQ6....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
>
> > just when you thought webby couldnt get any lamer!
>
thanks for you input, idiot.
Throbby
"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
> thanks for you input, idiot.
And don't forget, a "delay" doesn't give you the go ahead to wait 2 years to
release a CD. It's a studio effect.
R.A.G. Seely
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:27:13 GMT, in article
> <Xns950BB099CC9C3li...@127.0.0.1>, R.A.G. Seely stated:
>
>>And if he also followed it up with libel as you've
>>done, I'd probably add the same comment I've made here.
>
> Well, he just accused someone of being a child rapist in another
> thread. In the subject line, no less, so even those of us who don't
> care to read it are likely to see it.
>
> Go ahead, Rags. You have the floor.
OK - After you pointed that out, I looked it up, and I agree - it has about
the same level of justification as Marek's accusation against Ian, and so I
agree with you: this was a jerk-ish action, which amounts to libel. If he
were now to complain of bad treatment, I would say, as I did of Marek, that
his complaint would lack all credibility.
(It's irrelevant, but I also note that the post of Jones' which he seems to
use as justification is of a far lower level of literacy than the post of
Ian's which Marek used as justification, but both would seem to be internet
fiction, and so are no evidence at all of anything beyond their relative
literacy levels.)
>>Not that that makes him any better - just more honest about what
>>he's adding (!) to the group.)
>
> All the facts indicate that Nick lives to annoy and harrass.
I don't know about "lives to", but I agree, and have suggested as much,
that his activity here (for some time now) is mainly just that. I get the
impression he'd cop to that, if asked. Hence my impression of "honesty" -
I think he'd agree with your statement, at least to some extent. And I
don't think he hides that.
(PS: I don't see "honesty" as an unqualifiedly positive attribute, so if my
comment seemed complimentary, then you're misreading it - its moral tenor
is more neutral than that.)
> You want to talk about sticking to recent history? Based on recent
> history, Marek is an angel, relatively speaking.
Well, recall that one of your big grudges against me has been that I've
been fairly mild in my criticisms of Marek. I'm going to stay neutral on
that subject, beyond mentionning that. No doubt that silence will come
back to me in the form of somebody's reproaches sooner or later. I'd just
remind folks about Mr C's advice regarding silence ...
Re Nick - as far as I'm concerned, his greatest recent "infraction" was
posting Derek-like binaries. And I complained bitterly as soon as I
realized he'd done that. No doubt it seems a minor thing to you, but as
far as I'm concerned, it wasn't. So drop this "rags supports Nick"
nonsense. He doesn't need my support, any more than Marek does. And
neither of them need me on their sides in any battles they have.
And sorry if I don't follow them all that carefully. My reader will pick
up any responses to my posts, and any posts made by a select number of
rmb'ers - but my "taste" of rmb is often a bit random outside those
parameters.
=====
You folks seem to have your alliances - they shift and change over time,
but they often dominate the tone of the group. I try to be civil towards
those who are civil towards me, it's as simple as that. Doesn't mean I
think those to whom I'm civil are positive members of the group, and it
doesn't mean I "support" their actions. I've met only a few folks here,
but it strikes me that in person, people are often easier to bear than
their posts here might suggest. I would be interested in meeting some of
you (Nick, Marek, even you, goFab, among others), should circumstances
permit. And I wonder, if you met each other, if the violence in your words
mightn't be lessened by a beer and a good laugh. Maybe not ... we'll
probably never know.
-= rags =-
Mellow Yellow
>
> "Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
>
> > thanks for you input, idiot.
>
again, thanks for you input, idiot.
Mellow Yellow
"R.A.G. Seely" <rags__A@T__math.mcgill.ca.invalid> wrote in message
> goFab.com <tpl...@aol.com> wrote in news:catil...@drn.newsguy.com:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:27:13 GMT, in article
> > <Xns950BB099CC9C3li...@127.0.0.1>, R.A.G. Seely stated:
> >
> >>And if he also followed it up with libel as you've
> >>done, I'd probably add the same comment I've made here.
> >
> > Well, he just accused someone of being a child rapist in another
> > thread. In the subject line, no less, so even those of us who don't
> > care to read it are likely to see it.
> >
> > Go ahead, Rags. You have the floor.
>
> OK - After you pointed that out, I looked it up, and I agree - it has
about
> the same level of justification as Marek's accusation against Ian,
um, no.
tim actually posts to pedophile newsgroups and writes such choice stuff as :
From: tlcr...@webtv.net (Timothy Jones)
Subject: Re: Write me
Date: 1997/12/04
Newsgroups: alt.sex.incest
You're drunker now and starting to grow foul mouthed. I backhand you
which draws a little blood from your lower lip, then I lean over and
suck the blood off your mouth. You feel humbled now. You enjoy
nourishing me in this way. You share your tongue. I taste Bud and blood.
I force you down onto the hot concrete next to the pool. I push my
member past the lips off your teen puss. The concrete burns your
backside but your front side is on fire. You're a woman (almost)--you
enjoy penetration. My piston pumping your cunt causes a puddle of pussy
juice to form on the hot concrete. The sun licks it up. I finish my
business and push you into the pool. Cool off bitch. You lack manners.
tlcraftj
==
so really, i think everyone ought to put away the righteous indignation and
save it for someon who deserves it.
certainly not this timothy jones slimeball.....:)
Mellow Yellow
"goFab.com" <tpl...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:catil...@drn.newsguy.com...
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:27:13 GMT, in article
> <Xns950BB099CC9C3li...@127.0.0.1>, R.A.G. Seely stated:
>
> >And if he also followed it up with libel as you've
> >done, I'd probably add the same comment I've made here.
>
> Well, he just accused someone of being a child rapist in another thread.
LOL! you guys are desperate for some traction, arent you?
me, i believe in you reap what you sow ( thats a christian reference for
you, in case you didn't know.;0)
==
From: tlcr...@webtv.net (Timothy Jones)
Subject: Re: Hot boy/boy and boy/man action!! pedosex.jpg
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen
What he means to say, Pierre, is that hterosexual child fuckers are
better than homosexual child fuckers.
tlcraft
==
Throbby
"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
> tim actually posts to pedophile newsgroups and writes such choice stuff as
:
>
> From: tlcr...@webtv.net (Timothy Jones)
> Subject: Re: Write me
> Date: 1997/12/04
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.incest
<snip>
Of course, Nick has nothing going on in his life which is clearly obvious
here, and decides to "google" anyone whom he disagrees with. The latest
victim? Timothy Jones. I am confident I can speak for the other rmbers by
saying "who cares about alt.sex.incest, this is rmb."
The story posted here reads like a "Penthouse Forum" letter which indicates
fantasy and an attraction to sexual behavior not of the norm.
What this has to do with The Beatles is anyone's guess. Nick, once again,
does what he can to fill this place with crap and then point the finger at
someone else. You failed again Nick.
Mellow Yellow
>
> "Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
>
> > tim actually posts to pedophile newsgroups and writes such choice stuff
as
> :
> >
> > From: tlcr...@webtv.net (Timothy Jones)
> > Subject: Re: Write me
> > Date: 1997/12/04
> > Newsgroups: alt.sex.incest
>
> <snip>
>
cry baby, cry.
ROFLOLMFAO!
Throbby
"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
> From: tlcr...@webtv.net (Timothy Jones)
> Subject: Re: Write me
> Date: 1997/12/04
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.incest
ineffective. the guy is making up a story. sure it's sick, but it isn't
illegal to write about, and it has nothing to do with rmb.
Keep up the good work, Nick. You're humiliating yourself. again.
Murray
>
> "Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
>
> > From: tlcr...@webtv.net (Timothy Jones)
> > Subject: Re: Write me
> > Date: 1997/12/04
> > Newsgroups: alt.sex.incest
>
>
cry baby cry!
LOL!
Throbby
"Murray" <Mur...@mackenzie.com> wrote
> LOL!
And here's the obligatory Nick dick-stroker. Right on cue.
The Carlyle Groupie !
at least i got a dick, you moron.
paramucho
<rags__A@T__math.mcgill.ca.invalid> wrote:
>"TheBowlWeevil" <weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote in
>news:bW9hbnM=.24b4e011af62c497...@1087499704.nulluser.com:
>
>> the single most boring person here, with the possible
>> exception of Ian the Ped.
>
>OK - talk of consistency! How can you expect to be taken seriously when
>you complain of victimisation, when you continue to repeat - gratuitously -
>what's probably the most slanderous (libelous, I guess, in a written forum)
>accusation against another poster, an accusation clearly unsupported by
>your own "evidence" and without any foundation whatsoever. All because of
>a long forgotten battle, now only fanned by Ian's refusal to denounce Nick
>when he offends you. You know better, and would be better if you dropped
>this "Ian the Ped" stuff. Stick to the current "offences" - you're on
>better ground with them. Drop the us vs them history, and life will seem
>clearer.
>
>And if this seems another example of my supposed "hypocrisy", I'd remind
>you that Nick doesn't claim to be better than he is - you have with your
>complaints against me. (If he wrote me the same complaint, I'd probably
>answer the same way. And if he also followed it up with libel as you've
>done, I'd probably add the same comment I've made here. Difference is, he
>doesn't. Not that that makes him any better - just more honest about what
>he's adding (!) to the group.) If you want to be seen as better than Nick,
>rise above his level. It's your choice.
1. Personally, I don't know how you could possibly expect consistency
from Marek (perhaps you don't).
2. Personally, when I hear Marek moaning about injustice in this
place the image of Saddam Hussein doing the same in Iraq springs
to mind. Tears roll down my cheeks.
paramucho
<du...@assassinatedpress.com> wrote:
>
>"Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
>
>> and anyway johhny, did you forget how merkle kept posting about your "dead
>> parents" and the state of decompostion of certain family members of yours,
>> or is that all just a bit of friendly banter bewteen bros??.......:)
>
>Nope. I never forgot it. But he did one thing that you're not even capable
>of- he apologized for it.
>
>You've never apologized for anything you've ever done in your life, and
>that's what makes Marek 500% more of a decent man than you.
Oh dear.
Throbby
"The Carlyle Groupie !" <numb...@carlyle.com> wrote
> at least i got a dick, you moron.
Too bad it isn't between your legs.
But hey, doctors can do wonders nowadays.
The Carlyle Groupie !
>
> "The Carlyle Groupie !" <numb...@carlyle.com> wrote
>
> > at least i got a dick, you moron.
>
>
> Too bad it isn't between your legs.
no, its currently in your mouth.
now shutup and swallow!
LOLOLOLLLLL!
The Carlyle Groupie !
"paramucho" <i...@beathoven.com> wrote in message
news:40db9f61...@news.ozemail.com.au...
LOL!
i know exactly what you mean!
>
The Carlyle Groupie !
well, desperate times...etc etc.......:0
BT
>same room with me....
Geez. Another Internet Tough Guy.
Mister Charlie
"R.A.G. Seely" <rags__A@T__math.mcgill.ca.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns950C13BB7B1CEli...@127.0.0.1...
>
time,
> but they often dominate the tone of the group. I try to be civil
towards
> those who are civil towards me, it's as simple as that. Doesn't mean
I
> think those to whom I'm civil are positive members of the group, and
it
> doesn't mean I "support" their actions. I've met only a few folks
here,
> but it strikes me that in person, people are often easier to bear than
> their posts here might suggest. I would be interested in meeting some
of
> you (Nick, Marek, even you, goFab, among others), should circumstances
> permit. And I wonder, if you met each other, if the violence in your
words
> mightn't be lessened by a beer and a good laugh. Maybe not ... we'll
> probably never know.
>
as anyone else so this isn't finger-pointing).
Ian has said it for a long time: basically we are all doing the exact
same things, behaving the exact same way according to that day's
dictates. No one is immune from the criticism of true lurkers that
whatever ruin is alive in this group is the sum total of ALL
participants, no matter what they beleive their moral imperatives to be.
Everything else is horseshit.
paramucho
<weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote:
>jweber wrote:
>
>> "Mellow Yellow" <Mel...@Yellow.com> wrote
>>
>> > and anyway johhny, did you forget how merkle kept posting about your
>"dead
>> > parents" and the state of decompostion of certain family members of
>yours,
>> > or is that all just a bit of friendly banter bewteen bros??.......:)
>>
>> Nope. I never forgot it. But he did one thing that you're not even capable
>> of- he apologized for it.
>>
>> You've never apologized for anything you've ever done in your life, and
>> that's what makes Marek 500% more of a decent man than you.
>
>Among many other reasons, but thank you for your kind words. I'm truly
>touched.
Ain't it beautiful folks.
Cue the violins.
paramucho
<weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote:
>Mellow Yellow wrote:
>
>> "jweber" <du...@assassinatedpress.com> wrote in message
>> news:t7sAc.122694$oQ6....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >
>> > "TheBowlWeevil" <weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote
>> >
>> > > As for the Prick, tell ya what: keep responding to me, here and in on
>> > > topic threads, and let's see how long it is before he is harassing you
>> > > for it, flooding your EMail box, forging your posts, etc.
>> >
>> > That's the thing about Nick. As stupid as he is, he does know better to
>> stay
>> > on friendly terms with certain people that will lend him some type of
>> > credibility. In this case, R.A.G.S.
>> >
>> > It's interesting Nicko goes on a rampage today defaming some guy in
>> subject
>> > headers, and when he's done with that, he starts in on Francie. Not
>a peep
>> > from anyone after all that... Andrews the Drunken Aussie is basically
>> rmb's
>> > bully- leave him alone, and he won't insult you or the country you live
>> in.
>> > But disagree with the moron? You better be ready.
>> >
>> > I know violence never solves anything, but i'm with you, d00d. I'd
>love to
>> > get Nicko into a kickboxing arena. I think the first punch alone
>will have
>> > him consuming nothing but liquids the rest of his life.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> theres nothing quite so sad as a spineless idiot making big noises
>about how
>> he's gonna do this and he's gonna do that if olnyl there wasnt an ocean
>> between him and his intended "victim".
>
>Yep, and no one is more spineless than you, right Nick the Prick? How
>many times have you threatened me, you dickless loser?
>
>LOL! Sad indeed.
>>
>> in fact, congratulations are in order for you webby, you've finally
>reached
>> the pathos lever of feekle
>>
>> and anyway johhny, did you forget how merkle kept posting about your "dead
>> parents" and the state of decompostion of certain family members of yours,
>> or is that all just a bit of friendly banter bewteen bros??.......:)
>>
>> ROFLOLMAO!
>
>That was unkind of me, but quite a bit of it was you, with all the anon
>posts you made that you got Ian to blame on me. Nice try.
Mate, the ones I remember ascribing to you in alt.marek came from
nobody else except Marek. Perhaps you've forgotten:
1. You posted under your own name warning what would happen if I
didn't leave the group.
2. A half dozen obscene anonymous posts arrived in alt.marek
3. You posted again under your own name reminding them that that
would be the result.
A nice neat little package with no intervening posts.
paramucho
We're all basically loudmouths.
ripper
> > > in fact, congratulations are in order for you webby, you've finally
> > reached
> > > the pathos lever of feekle
> > >
> > > and anyway johhny, did you forget how merkle kept posting about your
> "dead
> > > parents" and the state of decompostion of certain family members of
> yours,
> > > or is that all just a bit of friendly banter bewteen bros??.......:)
> >
> > No dickless, the majority of those posts were from you using anonymous
> > remailers (as you did yesterday against "poisoned rose."
> > You think that everyone is as st00pid as you are Nick? Lol. Do I need
to
> > hold you by your clammy widdle hand and spell it out for you?
> > You see Marek exchange words with Poisoned Rose. Now, everyone knows
you
> > hate Marek because he owned you for so long. And we know that you DID
> > encourage your "SS Minnow" buddies to get anonymous accounts "like
yours."
> > Weber knows it as do several other of your "friends" who you stepped on.
>
> Yep. Prick really miscalculated there. "Let me bring John in on my
> absurd obsessive scheme to trash RMB, and then I will lie to him, harass
> him, belittle him, etc. I'm sure he won't ever expose my trolling!"
>
> Odd how that plan didn't work out...
He horribly miscalculated. Why am I not shocked.
>
> > Add to that, the fact that you saw a chance to SE Poisoned Rose into
> > thinking "Marek" was attacking him using anonymous remailers (PR walked
> > right into it when he stated that "that Marek guy" used those
remailers.)
>
> Well, obviously this poisoned rose person isn't too bright. Prick
> generally counts on that in his strange compulsion to "recruit" people
> to his cause, whatever the hell that is.
He tries (in vain) to enlist people to come down to his level. Instead of
simply ignoring you (which he can't) he instead chooses to perpetuate this
little "war" of his and by God, if you're not with him, then you're
a "cunt". If you disagree with him about anything, you're a "cunt".
I kinda feel sorry for him. I see his anti-American posts with *maybe* 2 or
3 replies (usually flames toward him) and I get the picture of some drunk
guy standing up on a chair in a bar shouting out "I'm a biggggggg
star......my ass burns........ssss wheres my car parked."
People kinda walk past, stare, smile and walk off.
> > So he was good bait to use to further your own little pissant war
against
> > Marek (whom you claim to have killfiled.....LOL).
>
> LOL! Isn't it really fun knowing that he's just sitting there
> obsessively reading EVERY word you and I write, just champing at the bit
> wanting so desperately to respond directly.......
You *know* it'z eating whats left of his ass alive.
The Carlyle Groupie !
*sniff sniff*
it's a marriage made in heaven, i tells ya!
paramucho
<weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote:
>Yep, in alt.marek, not RMB...
>>
>> 2. A half dozen obscene anonymous posts arrived in alt.marek
>
>Not in RMB...
>>
>> 3. You posted again under your own name reminding them that that
>> would be the result.
>
>And this has what exactly to do with RMB?
It shows that you posted using anonymous accounts.
>> A nice neat little package with no intervening posts.
>
>Here is how stupid you are Ian:
>
>You are basing this conclusion on MY words. Lest you forget (and I know
>you haven't, you lying cumstain), I also repeatedly and consistently
>said I would NEVER post anonymously to RMB.
You don't have the credibility Jack.
>You lose, as always, because you are a pathetic loser. Go fuck
>yourself, you disgusting racist piece of shit, you sicken me.
>
>Now go cry, you dickless anti semitic waste of space.
Ah, the Marek we love and cherish.
ripper
> (PS: I don't see "honesty" as an unqualifiedly positive attribute
I do. I'd rather someone be honest than to be a liar.
I would be interested in meeting some of
> you (Nick, Marek, even you, goFab, among others), should circumstances
> permit. And I wonder, if you met each other, if the violence in your
words
> mightn't be lessened by a beer and a good laugh. Maybe not ... we'll
> probably never know.
I'd have a beer with ya Rags. As long as it wasn't Canadian beer......;-)
I'd even bring you a pair of Tony Lama boots and some real Texas Chili.
>
> -= rags =-
>
> --
> <rags_AT_math.mcgill.ca>
> <http://www.math.mcgill.ca/rags>
Ehtue
> I'd have a beer with ya Rags. As long as it wasn't Canadian beer......;-)
> I'd even bring you a pair of Tony Lama boots and some real Texas Chili.
Now we're talkin!
-Ehtue
Ehtue
> can i come too.
>
>
> BTW Texas is hellish hot by all accounts....I hate to imagine how hot
> their chili is. All relative I guess.
Better to have hot chilli in the cool mountain air ;-)
topjimmy
"Friends around the campfire and everybodys' high......"
The Ubiquitous Orange Jumpsuit
yep, yip, yup!
LOL! i can see the froth and spittle from here!
paramucho
<weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote:
>Like I said before, no it doesn't asswipe.
So, you're actually denying those half dozen anonymous posts came from
you?
paramucho
<weevil-...@iansucks.com> wrote:
>Actually jackass, it doesn't. I never said that I actually DID follow
>through on my threat. But don't let logic get in the way of your
>brilliant theories. Wanna hit us with "sentence spacing" again, shit
>for brains?
>>
>> >> A nice neat little package with no intervening posts.
>> >
>> >Here is how stupid you are Ian:
>> >
>> >You are basing this conclusion on MY words. Lest you forget (and I know
>> >you haven't, you lying cumstain), I also repeatedly and consistently
>> >said I would NEVER post anonymously to RMB.
>>
>> You don't have the credibility Jack.
>>
>LOL! Apparently I DO. You give it to me, by basing your allegations on
>MY words. LOL! Are you really this stupid Ian?
>>
>> >You lose, as always, because you are a pathetic loser. Go fuck
>> >yourself, you disgusting racist piece of shit, you sicken me.
>> >
>> >Now go cry, you dickless anti semitic waste of space.
>>
>> Ah, the Marek we love and cherish.
>
>Ah, the Ian we laugh at and despise. He IS a racist after all.....
>
>Now go cry, like you have admitted you do over Usenet postings in the
>past, you child rapist.
As I said...
paramucho
It still seems to get to him.
The Ubiquitous Orange Jumpsuit
well he does suffer from a rather huge inferiority complex, along with a
persecution complex and a denial reflex you could jump over.
not to mention being butt ugly.
hell, he's so inadequate that he went over to cams house to "beat the shit
out of him" but instead he chickened out, the worst he could muster up was
to spit into cams letter box, not to mention being such a coward he was
reduced to harassing ally, cyn and the other girls because the guys were
kicking his sorry ass all over usenet. i think that says a lot about the
little loser.
in fact, trish got it so right in her first post to RMB when she nailed him
as a "dumb piece of shit"........:)
Jones
liberals, but one of you read it and tell the others what it says:
-----------TJ-----------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horowitz writes:
As wars go, the conflict in Iraq was (and is) as good as it gets. A
three week military campaign with minimal casualties, 25 million people
liberated from one of the most sadistic tyrants of modern times, the
establishment of a military and intelligence base in the heart of the
terrorist world. What well-meaning person could oppose this? In fact
there is none. It was one thing to worry about the war before the fact,
as Brent Scowcroft and others did, that a military conflict could lead
to eruptions in the Muslim world and a conflagration out of control.
This was opposition based on honorable intentions, which events have
effectively answered.
But the current opposition to the war after the fact has no such
justification in real world events. The war has had enormous beneficial
effects with minimal negative consequences. A terrible tyrant was taken
down. The filling of mass graves with 300,000 corpses were stopped.
Plastic shredders for human beings were deactivated. Prisons for four to
twelve year olds were closed. A democratic constitution has been
drafted. Two-thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership is gone. There hasn't been
terrorist attack in America in more than two and a half years, something
no one would have predicted after 9/11. By any objective standard, the
Bush war on terror is a triumph.
These real world considerations are why the campaign waged by the
Democratic Party and a Democratic press against the Bush war policy is
based not on any analysis of the war itself, but on maliciously
concocted claims about the prewar justification for military action. For
purely political agendas, the Democrats hope attempt to convict the
Administration of "misleading the American public" and wasting American
lives through deception and fraud, and thus to defeat the President at
the polls in November.
This is the campaign of the Big Lie and its success depends on the very
fact that it is a big lie. Its aim is to shift the very terms of the
argument to a terrain favorable to the critics who have been refuted by
the events themselves — a terrain entirely irrelevant to the reality
of the war itself. To respond to this campaign would require of its
targets candor and courage, because the only way to confront it is to
impugn the integrity, honesty and goodwill of those who so maliciously
prosecute it. Unfortunately, the Bush Administration seems defensive
about calling its critics to account.
How does this Big Lie operate? A look at today's top headline in the New
York Times (whose example is faithfully followed in most of the nation's
press) illustrates it well: "Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie." That is the
news of the day — similar in its negative spin for the Bush campaign
to the news of the last 30 or 60 days as well. The Times headline refers
to the report of the 9/11 commission that Mohammed Atta did not meet
with Iraqi government officials in Prague prior to 9/11 and that it
could find no evidence that Saddam was involved in the 9/11 plot. The
Times "News Analysis" accompanying the account draws this conclusion:
"In questioning the extent of any ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, the
commission weakened the already spotty scorecard on Mr. Bush's
justifications for sending the military to topple Saddam Hussein."
Actually this Times reportage is several lies in one. First, the panel
did not conclude that there was no Qaeda-Iraq tie. It concluded that it
could not find a Qaeda-Iraq tie in respect to the attacks of 9/11. This
is entirely different from the claim that there were no links between
al-Qaeda and the Iraqi regime. There are in fact extensive links, which
Stephen Hayes and others have detailed.
But that is just the beginning. The bigger lie in this particular claim
is that Mohammed Atta's visit to Prague was one of "Mr. Bush's
justifications for sending the military to topple Saddam Hussein." Mr.
Bush made no such claim, certainly not in connection with a
justification for the war in Iraq. (The Times actually prints Bush's
references to Iraq and al-Qaeda links on February 8, 2003, none of which
mentions 9/11.) The justification for sending the military to topple
Saddam Hussein was the violation of UN Resolution 1441 — and 16 UN
resolutions before that. Resolution 1441 authorized the use of force as
of December 7, 2002, the deadline that had been set by the Security
Council on November 8, 2002.
Anyone doubting that Saddam violated this resolution can consult the
recent memoir written by chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix, Disarming
Iraq. Blix opposed the military option right to the end. But he states
very clearly in his book that Saddam failed to meet the requirements of
UN Resolution 1441, that he showed his contempt for them in fact, and
that they were a legal justification for force.
The lie about al-Qaeda is just one of a tissue of lies concocted by
Administration critics about the rationale for the war in Iraq, each of
which is designed to distract attention from the moral worthiness of the
war and the critics' own unhappiness with the war on terror itself. The
Times' "News Analysis" also cites the failure to find WMDs as a further
undermining of the Administration's rationale for the war. But WMDS were
not the rationale for the war. The rationale for the war was Saddam's
violation of UN Resolution 1441, which called for compliance or "serious
consequences." Saddam did not comply. The consequences followed.
The President's rationale for the war was contained in his September 12,
2002 address to the United Nations General Assembly. He did not refer to
an al-Qaeda link. He did not refer to an "imminent threat" (the third
malicious falsification put forward by proponents of the Big Lie). What
the President said was this: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a
threat to the authority of the United Nations and a threat to peace.
Iraq has answered a decade of U.N. demands with a decade of defiance.
All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and
defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and
enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations
serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?"
The UN resolutions that Saddam had defied were constituent elements of
the truce that Saddam had signed at the end of the Gulf War and the
condition under which the allied forces allowed him to remain in power.
Saddam violated that truce. The 2003 Iraq war was in fact the resumption
of the hostilities of 1991 that had been interrupted to allow Saddam the
chance to comply. (In fact, they were only partially interrupted since
the United States and Britain flew continuous sorties over Iraq
throughout the decade of the 1990s). Many critics of the war argue that
Saddam should have been appeased once more, and given more time to
comply. That it is a reasonable (if morally distasteful) argument. To
claim that the Bush Administration misled the American people and waged
the war under false pretenses is not.
The critics of the Bush Administration have used their lies about the
rationale for the war to call the President a liar, a fraud, a deceiver
and a traitor. These are terms that apply to the critics themselves.
American voters are not going to be able to sort out these lies for
themselves in the absence of a strong case by the Bush team.
Prior to the inception of hostilities in Iraq in March 2003, the
Democratic Party with honorable exceptions like Senator Lieberman and
Minority Leader Gephardt was a party of appeasers, demanding more time
and more offerings to the Baghdad butcher to avoid a military conflict.
From the day Baghdad was liberated in April 2003 and continuously
through the present, the Democratic Party and its willing press have
constituted a chorus of saboteurs, attacking the credibility, integrity
and decency of the commander in chief, exaggerating, sensationalizing
and magnifying every American setback or fault — with the guilt orgy
over Abu Ghraib the most egregious example — effectively tying the
hands of American forces in the field and encouraging the enemy's
resistance. The hard left actually celebrates this resistance. The soft
and cowardly left merely encourages it while pretending not to notice
what is doing.
In either case — and in both cases — what we are confronting in this
spectacle is an unprecedented event in American political life. In the
midst of a good war and a noble enterprise, a major American party is
engaged in effort to stab its own country in the back for short term
political gain, and is willing to do to so by the most underhanded and
unscrupulous means.
Timothy J
The Ubiquitous Orange Jumpsuit
"Jones" <tlcr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29285-40D...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net...
>As wars go, the conflict in Iraq was (and is) as good as it gets.
yeah, nearly a thousand dead GIs, a new terrorists honeypot established and
still no end in sight.
that's "as good as it gets"?
no wonder you think having sex with kids is ok.
Ehtue
> and beers too.
>
> At high altitude, does it take more or less beer to get drunk?
How would I know? ;-)
-Ehtue
Ehtue
Aaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhh !!!!!!!
Jones
you're proud of yourself.
For the record, sex with children is rape, but in retrospect, harassing
the pedos as I used to do was ill informed.
Timothy J
Jones
declared that it was Hussein's responsibility to pro-actively assert
that the WMD's were destroyed. Whether or not he had them, and he
certainly had some dirty chemical stuff at the very least, is secondary
to his responsibility to prove and demonstrate the absence of such
weapons. He may have destroyed them all, but he refused to show the
world that this was true--thus violating the UN accords and inviting his
regime's destruction.
"You can't prove a negative" some say. Well maybe at the intellectual
level you can't, but certainly at the actual level you CAN. You can
prove there's no Mercedes in your garage by opening up your garage. You
can't really prove that Hitler is gone, but there's plenty of proof
Hitler simply isn't present.
Plus the UN must have it's feet held to the fire. They can't proclaim
something must be asserted and then claim that such an assertion is
impossible later on, when international liberals are in control of the
body. Nope. The UN's stated positions were made actual operating
principals by George W Bush. Ha ha ha. That will teach the UN to say
what it means and mean what it says.
You'll notice a common cause among all international liberals--the sheep
fucker in Australia (192 Day Road, Sydney), the cheese monkey in France,
John Kerry--they're all together somehow, all operating along similar
lines of force. Is it love of America that unites them? No? Then what is
it?
Timothy J
From Me To You
time! Who sang the song called "Colorado"?
"Colorado
Colorado
Beautiful place that you are."
Thanks,
Robert
·.·´¨ ¨)) -:|:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
The Beatles
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:|:- ((¸¸ ·.·
Ehtue
> Ehtue, I bet you'll know the answer to a question I've had for a
> long, long
> time! Who sang the song called "Colorado"?
>
> "Colorado
> Colorado
> Beautiful place that you are."
Beats me. Sorry. I think I might know the one you're talking about, though.
Is that line followed by "ba pa pa pa, pa pa pa" or something like that?
My fav "Colorado" song is the one by Linda Ronstadt.
-Ehtue
The Ubiquitous Orange Jumpsuit
"goFab.com" <tpl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> That's 100% correct. Even this morning, the New York Times sees fit to
make
> front page news the fact that Kerry's reputation is only slightly "dented"
after
> a 90-day, $85 million campaign by the Bush administration that, the Times
> strongly implies, was intended solely to defame Kerry.
which of course it was.
>
> The election is too close to call
LOL! thats a long way from your past rants about "smelling a landslide in
november" isnt it?
> In those 4 years, the United States turned on itself
> in a small fit of populist self-loathing
um, its called "democracy"
look it up if you're unsure of the meaning.....:)\
The Ubiquitous Orange Jumpsuit
> For the record, sex with children is rape
right.
which is what you say you desire.
>, but in retrospect, harassing
> the pedos as I used to do was ill informed.
especially when you are one yourself.:)
so anyway timmy, i've lost my address and phone number.
can you please post it again?.........:)