Alistair Taylor says 'Jane was too good for Paul'
jen
23/9/01 Mail on Sunday by ALISTAIR TAYLOR
He was The Beatles' friend and fixer who dealt with their women, cars, homes
and personal problems during the Sixties. As assistant to Brian Epstein, the
band's manager, Alistair Taylor knew everything and became a trusted
confidant of Paul McCartney. Now, in a candid new book, he offers a
fascinating, and damning, insight into McCartney and the women in his life
that will shock many readers. The love affair between Paul McCartney and
Jane Asher was one Beatles romance I thought would last. Jane was adorable
bright, funny and incredibly attractive. She was a wonderful match for Paul.
And he thought so, too. The truth is she was far too good for him. She was
well educated and very successful in her own right.
Paul met Jane in 1963 when she wrote an article for the Radio Times on The
Beatles' appearance at the Royal Albert Hall. All of them took a shine to
her, but it was Paul she fell for.
As their romance grew, I became closer to Paul than to any of the other
Beatles. Jane and Paul were devoted to each other: they both revelled in
simple pleasures well away from the world of celebrities. By the time they
met, the country was
firmly in the grip of Beatlemania. Love Me Do, released in October 1962, had
raised the group to a new level. Their first album had shot to the top of
the charts and advance orders for their second, With The Beatles, were about
to top a quarter of a million, more than for any previously released LP. The
Beatles were making history. They couldn't go anywhere without being mobbed,
and fans camped outside their homes.
In the midst of this mania, Paul came to the office one day to tell me he
had bought a farm in Scotland High Park Farm on the Mull Of Kintyre. He
asked me to go up and see where he could build a new farmhouse. When I got
there, I discovered there was a house on the only suitable spot, but it was
just about derelict.
I told Paul that to put up a new home there he would have to knock down the
old one and build on the plot. The three of us went up to have a look. I was
a little apprehensive about what Paul and Jane might think of the place. It
was very remote, basic and cold. But they fell in love with it at first
sight. High Park seemed to stand up in defiance of the elements. Paul and
Jane marvelled at the complete absence of even everyday modern conveniences.
They spent the first hour exploring the farm and its tumbledown buildings,
squealing in delight when they found an old washtub or a piece of dead
tractor.
We needed something to sit on, so when we wandered into the barn and found a
filthy old mattress and piles of old potato boxes up in the rafters, Paul
said: 'Let's get that down. The mattress can be our sofa. We'll have to give
it a good beating to get the dust out.
We can build the frame from the boxes.' I was dispatched to the nearest town
to buy a big bag of nails and a couple of hammers.
After a day or two, we all needed a bath, so we decided to use the old milk
tank a huge, stainless steel container on a plinth in the derelict dairy.
Paul said: 'I've got it. We'll rig this up as a bath. All we need is a
stepladder!' Immersion heaters warmed up the water and we filled our
enormous bath. We found a stepladder and took turns to climb up for a wash.
Paul was not as squeaky clean as he would have liked Jane to believe. He and
I were walking Martha, his Old English sheepdog, when he turned to me and
said: 'You'll have to go to the chemists in Campbeltown for me...' He had a
personal medical problem and didn't want Jane to find out about it. I phoned
our solicitor, Bob Graham, and told him the medicine was for me. I'm pretty
sure he knew it was for Paul because I had to stress secrecy.
When the treatment arrived, it was labelled 'Sheep Dip' so Jane would not
find out.
Eventually, Jane did catch Paul out although this didn't happen until some
years later, by which time The Beatles had conquered America, released
Sergeant Pepper and heard the tragic news of Brian Epstein's suicide. Paul,
meanwhile, had met his future wife, Linda Eastman, although she wasn't the
cause of his breakup with Jane.
Instead, Jane came home one day in July 1968 to find Paul with Francie
Schwartz, a girl from New York. Francie was not just in their house in
London's Cavendish Avenue, but in the bed Jane shared with Paul. Jane was in
a state of shock and her relationship with Paul they were engaged by now
ended there and then.
As usual, there were fans outside the house and they had tried to warn Paul
that Jane was approaching. But he thought they were joking.
Jane's departure shattered Paul.
I have never been sure if it was because he really loved her or because he
was shocked that she had the nerve to turn him down.
Afterwards, he had a succession of one-night stands, although many of the
relationships did not even last that long.
It's the only time I ever saw him distraught normally, he was flip, cool and
full of himself. It was then that I realised how close we had become. We
spent weeks together after Jane left. He pleaded with her to forgive him,
but she was implacable: she is very strong and principled. I think she was
deeply in love with Paul.
Paul literally cried on my shoulder. We hit the bottle together.
Hard.
He always seemed to feel lonely at night that was the time my phone would
ring and it would be Paul saying: 'Al, get a cab and come on up to
Cavendish.' I didn't mind because he was a friend in pain. I had watched his
love for Jane grow from early infatuation into a deep and passionate love.
Paul told me how much he had learned from Jane and her family.
He wasn't a yobbo before he met Jane, but he was unsophisticated.
Jane introduced him to fine wines, art, films and all aspects of culture.
Jane's mother taught at the Royal College of Music. This was a new world for
Paul and he absorbed it like a sponge.
That's partly why he found it so shocking when she dumped him.
What's more, he couldn't tell the other Beatles how he felt. They never
liked to admit individual weakness, and Paul would have hated John to think
he was upset about a woman.
Paul and I would sit up until 3am while he talked about what a prat he had
been. 'I had everything and I threw it away,' he'd say. 'Jane wasn't just my
woman, she was my closest friend. I've told her everything inside me. She
knows what makes me tick. I went right through all the stuff about my mother
dying and how I dealt with that. With Jane, I could just relax completely
and be myself and that seemed to be what she wanted. With the other women,
I'm a f****** millionaire rock star who just happens to be about as shallow
as a puddle.' At other times he just turned up at my house long after my
wife, Lesley, and I had gone to bed. 'Has Lesley got the kettle on?'
he'd ask, and I would know I'd be up half the night going through how
wonderful life had been with Jane. And he would put his arms around me and
cry. Paul was never ashamed about crying. Afterwards, he'd try to joke about
it. 'I thought Jane was the drama queen, but it's me,' he'd say with a weak
laugh.
Months later, Paul rolled up outside our flat in Montagu Place on a Sunday
morning in his Aston Martin.
'Come on, we're off to look at a house,' he said. He already had Francie and
Martha the dog as passengers, but insisted Lesley and I squeeze in. When we
reached the grounds of the house in Kent that Paul was thinking about
buying, he and Francie disappeared for about 20 minutes. I'm sure they
weren't playing Scrabble. Francie didn't last long a bewildering sequence of
women passed through Paul's life at that time.
He was by now more or less over Jane. He had tried for a while to get her
back, but his messages were returned unopened and his calls were not
answered. It changed him.
For years, he'd had everything he could want: Jane was the first woman to
reject him, and he did not like the experience. He was a little harder, a
little more cynical from then on.
Paul had met Linda Eastman in the Bag O' Nails pub back in 1967 on an
evening when the entertainment was being supplied by Georgie Fame and the
Blue Flames. I remember him talking about a female photographer with long,
elegant fingers. He was smitten. By the autumn of 1968, she was his partner.
I think Linda resented anyone who had been close to Paul, particularly
during his period with Jane. It was obvious that she could not come to terms
with the rapport between Paul and me. She never stopped smiling, but
sometimes there was a glint in her eyes that I did not like.
After Linda appeared on the scene, my late-night chats with Paul had been
terminated. But there was also a change in Paul's whole demeanour.
He seemed cooler and as careful with his words and his warmth as he had
always been with his money.
One of the first things Linda did at Cavendish Avenue after she managed to
move in was to have the ground floor redecorated. Although Jane had
decorated it with exquisite taste, Linda wanted to remove every last trace
of her. She didn't want to hear her name. She didn't want to see pictures
Paul and Jane had chosen.
The first I knew of Linda's plans for the house was when Paul rang me at
four o'clock one afternoon and asked me to come round to Cavendish Avenue.
Paul and Linda had to leave at 7pm for a five-day break that I had arranged
for them, so I knew I wasn't in for a long session. When I got to the house,
Paul answered the door himself and immediately said: 'Right, Alistair. I
would like the whole of the ground floor of the house decorated by the time
we come back.' The way Paul had delivered his instructions left me in no
doubt that he was not inclined to discuss the matter. Behind him stood Linda
with a small, cold smile on her face an expression which I was to see again.
Paul took me on a hurried tour of the house to show me what they wanted
done. Everything down to the last lick of paint had been planned: nothing
Jane had done would remain.
I had a feeling in the pit of my stomach which told me I was not going to be
nearly so close to Paul for a while.
The expression on my face betrayed my incredulity at the idea of doing all
this in five days. I tried to suggest he was asking the impossible, but Paul
was not in the mood for negotiation. 'You can do it, Al.
Never mind the cost. Just get it done.' Fortunately, a friend put me on to a
firm run by a man called Ian Taverner. I told him what I wanted. He burst
out laughing and said: 'It's absolutely impossible in the time you want.' I
begged him at least to meet me in the house and look at the job.
The next morning, he came to Cavendish Avenue and agreed to take on the
challenge. It meant working through the nights with decorators operating a
shift system, but he reckoned he could do it.
Six hours before Paul and Linda were due back, I went up to the house to
find the foreman completing his last checks. Inside, everything was
immaculate and there was only the faintest whiff of paint in the air.
Paul was delighted, and even Linda almost managed to thank me. Later, I went
to the house to show Paul the decorator's bill it was a lot smaller than I
had feared. He was sitting on a big sofa with Linda when I arrived and
handed him the piece of paper.
Paul looked at it and said: 'Great. Get the cheque off to them.' I was just
about to put the bill back in my briefcase when Linda reached for it.
She looked at it and then accused Ian Taverner of overcharging Paul. Then,
looking at me as if I were something she had just stepped in, she said: 'And
how much are you making out of the deal?' My body went cold and shook with
rage while my mouth suddenly became too dry to utter a word. I stood up,
closed my briefcase and left the room. I can't remember ever feeling more
angry or upset. Paul came after me and tried to act as peacemaker, but I
just didn't want to know.
'Linda's only looking out for me, Al,'
done, then, Al. But not only that, I want it resprayed. I want it to come
back as if it has just been driven out of the showroom.' The garage came up
trumps. The mechanic who delivered the gleaming finished product back to
Cavendish Avenue was beaming with pride at the result. Paul walked round it
for ages lost in amazement and eventually eased himself into the driver's
seat absolutely thrilled.
The bill was reasonable and Paul smiled his approval. But Linda strode out
of the house and my heart sank. A sense of deja vu hit me like a flying
housebrick. She snatched the bill from Paul, looked me straight in the eyes
and asked: 'How much of this is going in your pocket?' This time Paul simply
shrugged and looked away. I said: 'I'll see you then, Paul,' and walked
away.
Linda had no time for me. In my naive and forgiving way, I don't think it
was because of any character defect, but simply because I was part of the
old guard and I was much, much too close to Paul.
When it came down to it, my friendship with Paul did not count for much. He
was quite prepared to turn his back on me to please Linda.
Abridged extract from A Secret History by Alistair Taylor, published by
Blake Publishing on October 1, price 16.99. To order a copy for 14.99 (plus
1.99 p& p) call the Review Bookstore on 0870 1650870.
(Copyright 2001)
©2001 Bell & Howell Information & Learning Services
InYerFace
On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:20:11 -0500 "jen" <jsn...@email.msn.com> wrote:
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> THERE WAS ONLY ONE WOMEN FOR MY FRIEND PAUL.. AND IT WASN'T LINDA
>
> 23/9/01 Mail on Sunday by ALISTAIR TAYLOR
>
> He was The Beatles' friend and fixer who dealt with their women, cars, homes
> and personal problems during the Sixties.
Remembering that the Mail is a tabloid, you will note
that by April, 1968, it was Peter Brown who was Chief
Fixer.
Alistair Taylor is a lovely, but dotty and impoverished
old man who got left in the toxic debris of Apple Corpse.
In 1972, he tried to purchase the foreign rights to BODY
COUNT through my ancient literary agent (she is said to be
the oldest living book agent) Blanche Gregory. He couldn't
get "closure" on the deal, so he just kept his copy and
nicked from it at will, for this unmistakable swan song.
As we know (gosh I miss Deena...) it was Danny Fields
who first cashed in on Linda's death by hitting Paul
with the pitch before he was even out of the critical
initial period of grief, and got him to sign off on
the book deal, which went directly to Linda's own publisher,
Little Brown.
Alistair Taylor must be so hungry for money that he is
willing to further trash the marriage by claiming that
Jane was Paul's true love.
I've read more excerpts of his book which slime Linda
for questioning everyone on Paul's payroll about how
much they were profiting from the job of redecorating
7 Cavendish Avenue in five days.
It's a very ugly perspective on a dead woman who did
a superb job of taking care of and protecting Paul from
all sorts of ripoffs as well as giving him a fine son
and three daughters.
He even manages to jab at yours truly with his smarmy
description of one of our day trips... we were not
looking at a housde to buy the day we packed him and
his wife into the Aston Martin.
That day in Kent we were just cruising, and we stopped
in a little village to check out the pub. It was empty
of customers, and no visible staff. But it had a tiny
stage with a drum kit, and Paul got up and fooled around
on the drums for a bit.
At no time did we disappear into a house for 20 minutes
of hanky panky.
Francie
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jen wrote:
> THERE WAS ONLY ONE WOMEN FOR MY FRIEND PAUL.. AND IT WASN'T LINDA
>
> 23/9/01 Mail on Sunday by ALISTAIR TAYLOR
>
> <snipped>
> She looked at it and then accused Ian Taverner of overcharging Paul. Then,
> looking at me as if I were something she had just stepped in, she said: 'And
> how much are you making out of the deal?' My body went cold and shook with
> rage while my mouth suddenly became too dry to utter a word. I stood up,
> closed my briefcase and left the room. I can't remember ever feeling more
> angry or upset. Paul came after me and tried to act as peacemaker, but I
> just didn't want to know.
>
> 'Linda's only looking out for me, Al,'
PS - this was getting exciting.....but is there a bit of the text missing at
this point?
> done, then, Al. But not only that, I want it resprayed.
superb article and very revealing.
Thanks for posting this Jen.
I always get the Mail on Sunday and yesterday's is sitting here beside
me....takes me days to get through it tho.
Will
jen
"InYerFace" <Let...@tlesGo.com> wrote in message
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>
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:20:11 -0500 "jen" <jsn...@email.msn.com> wrote:
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> >
> > THERE WAS ONLY ONE WOMEN FOR MY FRIEND PAUL.. AND IT WASN'T LINDA
> >
> > 23/9/01 Mail on Sunday by ALISTAIR TAYLOR
> >
> > He was The Beatles' friend and fixer who dealt with their women, cars,
homes
> > and personal problems during the Sixties.
>
>
> Remembering that the Mail is a tabloid, you will note
> that by April, 1968, it was Peter Brown who was Chief
> Fixer.
>
> Alistair Taylor is a lovely, but dotty and impoverished
> old man who got left in the toxic debris of Apple Corpse.
<snip>
> Francie
>
Sounds like sour grapes to me. It's interesting that Taylor paints Linda as
cold and calculating, whereas Danny Fields goes out of his way to point out
how warm Linda was, and that Paul really wasn't - he was just a good actor.
Although to be fair, Taylor certainly didn't know Linda as well as Fields
did.
Jen
LovesInNeedofLove
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:37:11 -0500 "jen" <jsn...@email.msn.com> wrote:
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>
> "InYerFace" <Let...@tlesGo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:20:11 -0500 "jen" <jsn...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > THERE WAS ONLY ONE WOMEN FOR MY FRIEND PAUL.. AND IT WASN'T LINDA
> > >
> > > 23/9/01 Mail on Sunday by ALISTAIR TAYLOR
> > >
> > > He was The Beatles' friend and fixer who dealt with their women, cars,
> homes
> > > and personal problems during the Sixties.
> >
> >
> > Remembering that the Mail is a tabloid, you will note
> > that by April, 1968, it was Peter Brown who was Chief
> > Fixer.
> >
> > Alistair Taylor is a lovely, but dotty and impoverished
> > old man who got left in the toxic debris of Apple Corpse.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Francie
> >
> Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Well, you remember how Kathy and another poster defended
Alistair (he's really poor) as an authority? I'm not sure
what they think he became in 1968, shoved into a corner after
Derek Taylor and Ron Kass were established in the top echelon
of Apple... He is just barely mentioned in the Lewisohn
interview with Derek and Neil (Aspinall), who were closer
to the Fabs than anyone else at the time, including George
Martin.
It's interesting that Taylor paints Linda as
> cold and calculating, whereas Danny Fields goes out of his way to point out
> how warm Linda was, and that Paul really wasn't - he was just a good actor.
> Although to be fair, Taylor certainly didn't know Linda as well as Fields
> did.
>
> Jen
>
And Danny barely knew her at all... he collided with Linda
the night she slept with Mick Jagger, and as a frontline
gossip and gay self-promoter, he thought he had the inside
track. But he was right about Paul being cold to anyone
who looked like he might interfere with Paul's total access
to Linda's thinking and approval, right down the line.
There is yet to be written a portrait of Linda McCartney
from a female point of view. I've thought about doing a
novella of the marriage from Lin's perspective.
But that's a whole nother story.
It's sad that Alistair Taylor wasn't taken care of
with some sort of pension. The Fabs discarded many of
their old "friends" financially in 1971 (the year Klein
forced Derek Taylor to quit). Alistair's title in 1968 was
Office Manager. Sad, really. He was nicer by far than
Peter Brown... he just wasn't aggressive enough.
Francie
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hennessyandco
from a female point of view. I've thought about doing a
novella of the marriage from Lin's perspective.
Ohh. That'd be tasteful.
What special insight do you claim to have on the subject?
Jeremy Boob
"hennessyandco" <hennes...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Don't tell me, let me guess...Francie wrote this?
Oh, brother!
>
>
>
na
well, from what i can see, none at all. but, for science's sake, let's
examine a few points......
==
linda appears to have been be a warm, loving person, mother and wife. franny
is a bitter twisted old ex groupie.
linda had a loving husband and beautiful loving kids. franny has her hand.
linda was married to one of the most respected and best loved men of modern
times. franny has been trying to get on with "Life after Mcartney", with
very little success it seems judging by her seething bitterness towards the
man and his career.
linda was extremely successful in her career apart from music. franny has no
career save plying her "who i fucked" memoirs, which are themselves of no
interest to anyone at all.
==
gee you know, i'm getting the feeling franny would have a REAL hard time
writing anything from "lin's perspective" unless she had a complete heart,
mind and soul transplant....:)
UsurperTom
>Alistair's title in 1968 was Office Manager.
Alistair was fired along with Ron Kass in May 1969. John, Paul, George and
Ringo agreed with Allen Klein's request to clean house when Klein took over
Apple. Alistair and Ron eventually got their revenge when told Brown and
Gaines stories about the Beatles' sex lives which were published in "The Love
You Make." Paul, in particular, was furious because Alistair was the source of
the story of Paul hiding crabs from Jane, while Ron Kass revealed the story of
the Minstrel Show. Alistair also corroborated Brown's claim that Paul is the
father of Anita Cochrane's son, Philip. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure out why Paul burned his copy of "The Love You Make." It was all because
of information supplied by two men he helped fire in 1969.
Tom
TallyHo
TallyHo
On 02 Oct 2001 03:24:21 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
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> Francie wrote:
>
> >Alistair's title in 1968 was Office Manager.
>
> It was all because
> of information supplied by two men he helped fire in 1969.
> Tom
>
>
Nope. It was all because of the pure bullshit supplied
by two men he helped fire in 1969. The minstrel show was
a homosexual's fantasy built on a joke about Paul's
promiscuity (fiction) and the crabs thing was pure
pettiness and sour grapes.
na
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>
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:32:01 -0400 "hennessyandco"
<hennes...@email.msn.com> wrote:
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> >
> > >There is yet to be written a portrait of Linda McCartney
> > from a female point of view. I've thought about doing a
> > novella of the marriage from Lin's perspective.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ohh. That'd be tasteful.
> >
> > What special insight do you claim to have on the subject?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Wouldn't you like to know.
translation: same as any other total stranger
ie. none
>
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>Alistair (he's really poor) as an authority?
Kathy who?
TallyHo
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:42:35 +1000 "na" <m...@arrow.com> wrote:
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> >
> translation: same as any other total stranger
>
> ie. none
>
>
> >
> > --
> > http://sites.netscape.net/fabe9131944
> > NEW: How My Dat Became a Nazi...
>
>
>
Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
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Ehtue
> and the crabs thing was pure
>pettiness and sour grapes.
Grapes with crabs? Ick.
Ehtue
>Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
Mmmmmm, pie. That sounds good. What kind?
TallyHo
Bigot Pie, of course!
na
"Ehtue" <eh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> TallyHo wrote:
>
> >Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
>
> Mmmmmm, pie. That sounds good. What kind?
humble ?
nah, this is "francid" we're talking about...:)
na
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>
> On 02 Oct 2001 09:36:56 GMT eh...@aol.com (Ehtue) wrote:
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> >
> > TallyHo wrote:
> >
> > >Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
> >
> > Mmmmmm, pie. That sounds good. What kind?
> >
> >
>
> Bigot Pie, of course!
oh, you simply you must give us your recipe.
na
"TallyHo" <D...@dedBeep.com> wrote in message
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>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:42:35 +1000 "na" <m...@arrow.com> wrote:
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> >
> > >
> > translation: same as any other total stranger
> >
> > ie. none
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://sites.netscape.net/fabe9131944
> > > NEW: How My Dat Became a Nazi...
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
ouch, when the shoe's on the other foot, the girl who likes to call people
JEW HATERS gets a little touchy.
tsk tsk, how hypocritical of you, francid....:)
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> > > >Alistair's title in 1968 was Office Manager.
> >
> > It was all because of information supplied by two
> > men he helped fire in 1969.
>
> by two men he helped fire in 1969. The minstrel show
> was a homosexual's fantasy built on a joke about Paul's
> promiscuity (fiction) and the crabs thing was pure
> pettiness and sour grapes.
I missed the post to which you're responding, but
can you tell us how/why you know/think the minstrel
show story isn't true? Is it based on what you came
to think of McC or some objective knowledge? -laura
Jeremy Boob
Just Francie
Based on what he told me about his previous lovers,
as well as what he told others about me. Based on
my observation of his basic conservative and old
fashioned attitudes about sex. Based on his never
being the least bit involved with anyone but white
females.
Francie
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Just Francie
Hey, wanna play?
You're copping an attitude with the wrong psycho bitch.
You comment on me as if you had not, in fact, ever killfiled me.
It makes no difference what handle I use.
Now that you have morphed me into the female Marek,
you are helpless to resist.
You couldn't let go of this if you wanted to. I think
you are truly a danger to yourself and others, and
need to be treated ASAP. Perhaps someone else will
do what needs to be done, and you can handle it in
your usual passive-aggressive way.
Keep talkin, Charlie. So you won't have to think.
UsurperTom
>It was all because of the pure bullshit supplied
>by two men he helped fire in 1969.
Francie, how much is Paul paying you to attack Alistair Taylor in this
newsgroup? I could see no other reason for your farsical defense of Paul.
Tom
UsurperTom
>Based on what he told me about his previous lovers,
>as well as what he told others about me.
Paul apparently was dishonest with you.
>Based on my observation of his basic conservative and old
>fashioned attitudes about sex.
That's a myth that Paul, Linda, Geoff Baker and their sycophants liked to
convey. I don't know why Francie would want to deny that Paul was the
second-biggest sleazebag in the Beatles.
Tom
Rich Diakun
than on rec.music.beatles a huge favor. Don't cross-post your juvenile
tripe. We don't want to see it, and we'd rather not have to go through the
hassle of having to blanket-mark-read (in the off-chance that you might
accidentally have something to say). There's a reason why we don't bother
with that forum any more, and this latest thread reminds us all what it is.
Keep your stupid idiotic name calling and vitrol over in the rat's nest that
you've turned RMB into and leave those of us who have sense enough to avoid
it alone. Thanks.
- Rich
P.S. The answer is: "no... you didn't even come close to passing the
audition."
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Jeremy Boob
"UsurperTom" <usurp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Francie wrote:
>
> >Based on what he told me about his previous lovers,
> >as well as what he told others about me.
>
> Paul apparently was dishonest with you.
>
> >Based on my observation of his basic conservative and old
> >fashioned attitudes about sex.
>
> That's a myth that Paul, Linda, Geoff Baker and their sycophants liked to
> convey.
Ah the old sycophants already Tom? Busting it out early I see. OK, begin
the meaningless pre-programmed inflammatory language. Myth? It sounds FAR
more like a myth for salicious gossip purposes than the plain old truth is.
I don't know why Francie would want to deny that Paul was the
> second-biggest sleazebag in the Beatles.
> Tom
Maybe because it's actually (gasp!) true? You KNOW how loathe she is to
pass a compliment his way.
It sure seems to me that if the one who knew him rather well at that time
doesn't believe it happened...well, it might have but I really, really doubt
it.
And I salute her for having the guts to say so.
>
Jeremy Boob
"Rich Diakun" <URDE...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Do those of us who opted to post on rec.music.artists.paul-mccartney
rather
> than on rec.music.beatles a huge favor. Don't cross-post your juvenile
> tripe. We don't want to see it, and we'd rather not have to go through
the
> hassle of having to blanket-mark-read (in the off-chance that you might
> accidentally have something to say). There's a reason why we don't bother
> with that forum any more, and this latest thread reminds us all what it
is.
> Keep your stupid idiotic name calling and vitrol over in the rat's nest
that
> you've turned RMB into and leave those of us who have sense enough to
avoid
> it alone. Thanks.
>
> - Rich
>
Ah, always quick with the compliment, eh Rich? Give us a kiss.
ar ar
UsurperTom
>You KNOW how loathe she is to pass a compliment his way.
I don't think so. Francie just won't say anything that would contradict the
Apple party line. She only denies the Minstrel Show to protect Yoko's business
relationship with Paul.
Tom
Jeremy Boob
Well, that's a theory but it doesn't mean much more than the other myths.
You seem to equate Francie being friends with Yoko as a sycophantic act.
It's not. They share a small bit of history way back when and are friendly.
You KNOW I am not into defending her but the truth is the truth, whether it
comes from her or from me.
She's not on Yoko's 'payroll' and never has been. She has done favors for
her, because sure, she'd like her attention. And Yoko's quite busy.
But the rest of this Fred Seaman party line bullshit has always been false
and nothing more than an attempt to slander her.
And apparently she knows what that's all about now. So do I.
>
UsurperTom
>You seem to equate Francie being friends with Yoko as a sycophantic act.
I NEVER said that.
Tom
Jeremy Boob
> Mr. Charlie wrote:
>
> >You seem to equate Francie being friends with Yoko as a sycophantic act.
>
> I NEVER said that.
So you dispute that contention then?
(PS : I SAID: you SEEM to EQUATE etc etc etc. I did not accuse you of
malfeasance)
> Tom
UsurperTom
>So you dispute that contention then?
I respect Francie's friendship with Yoko. However, that doesn't mean that I
don't have a right to criticize Yoko.
Tom
Jeremy Boob
Of COURSE you have a right to criticize Yoko, or Francie, or me. It's just
that you do so so often, sometimes without any real reason. But I am being
vague and without posts to back it up I will leave it there. My impression.
> Tom
>
UsurperTom
>you have a right to criticize Yoko, or Francie, or me.
I don't criticize you. You're not a public figure and I respect your right to
disagree with me. You've always been civil with me.
Tom
lstoll
Huh? I agree with you insofar as none of her reasons
for debunking the story have to do with flattering
Paul...
Let's see, she was somewhat involved with him at the
time it was said to have taken place and therfore it
reflects badly on her, she claims he was uptight and
not very sexual (except that she says he was always
ready to have sex with her), and she accuses him of
being a racist. -laura
UsurperTom
>I agree with you insofar as none of her reasons
>for debunking the story have to do with flattering
>Paul...
Also, Francie's hatred of Brown and Gaines overrides her animosity toward Paul.
The irony is that Yoko liked the book while Paul hated it.
>she was somewhat involved with him at the
>time it was said to have taken place and therfore it
>reflects badly on her
How so? Francie did say (proudly I add) that Paul fucked Linda for the second
time during that same visit to LA in June 1968. As I recall, Francie said
either in this newsgroup or on her web site that her relationship with Paul
became romantic shortly after Paul returned from LA. According to Francie's
own chronology, she wasn't involved with Paul at the time. Brown and Gaines
wrote that Paul was engaged to Jane at the time of the Minstrel Show and Paul
intended to keep his affairs with Linda and other women secret from Jane. In
their account, the two women left Paul's suite in the Beverly Hills Hotel after
Linda came in to visit.
Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her. "Body Count" includes a
story of Paul fucking a woman while Francie was waiting for Paul in the car.
Tom
na
"Just Francie" <Let...@tlesGo.com> wrote in message
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you need help, you pyscho bitch..;)
na
"Just Francie" <Let...@tlesGo.com> wrote in message
SteelandGlass
On 03 Oct 2001 06:19:59 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
>
>
> Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her.
Nope. You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or married to her.
Not even close, UTom.
;-)
--
You've got to serve yourself, ain't
nobody gonna do for you... (John Lennon, 1980)
Jeremy Boob
Well, not always. :) But it goes two ways. You have usually comported
yourself respectfully with me so I guess I usually respond in kind.
And no I am not a public figure but publishing our thoughts publicly opens
them up to any critique I would think. If I didn't want criticism (which I
don't, but...) I would keep my thoughts to myself (as many here would like).
But I appreciate having totally (pretty much) opposite dialog with someone
and not ending upscreaming obscenities. I would have to credit you with
that far more than I, because as I said I generally respond the way I am
being addressed.
That all said, Tom, respectfully, you're full of shit.
:)
Jeremy Boob
"na" <m...@arrow.com> wrote in message news:9petm2$vkh$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> "Just Francie" <Let...@tlesGo.com> wrote in message
> news:1021713....@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:48:23 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "lstoll" <la...@lstoll.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3BBA5133...@lstoll.com...
> > > > TallyHo (Francie) wrote:
> > > > > > > >Alistair's title in 1968 was Office Manager.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was all because of information supplied by two
> > > > > > men he helped fire in 1969.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. It was all because of the pure bullshit supplied
> > > > > by two men he helped fire in 1969. The minstrel show
> > > > > was a homosexual's fantasy built on a joke about Paul's
> > > > > promiscuity (fiction) and the crabs thing was pure
> > > > > pettiness and sour grapes.
> > > >
> > > > I missed the post to which you're responding, but
> > > > can you tell us how/why you know/think the minstrel
> > > > show story isn't true? Is it based on what you came
> > > > to think of McC or some objective knowledge? -laura
> > >
> > > Need you ask, laura?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hey, wanna play?
Is THAT a threat? Is it? Police in your jurisdiction would like to know.
> >
> > You're copping an attitude with the wrong psycho bitch.
No, no, you're the right one alright. Just reading this makes it quite
clear, thanks.
> >
> > You comment on me as if you had not, in fact, ever killfiled me.
Oh, I do, I do. But then I see your spews in other people's responses, and
as you change your name constantly (troll) it's pretty damned well
impossible to avoid you. SO killfiling is truly no answer. You going away
would be. But hey! That's NOT a death threat, ok??
> >
> > It makes no difference what handle I use.
BULLSHIT! And you know it. You still refuse to answer WHY you change it
multi-times a day. Not that no one can figure it out. But your refusal
just shows your own psychotic inability to admit wrong-doing and defeat.
> >
> > Now that you have morphed me into the female Marek,
> > you are helpless to resist.
No, sadly, YOU morphed into him. I had nothing to do with it. Keep waiting
for you to tire ofit but you two are too close not to become one uber-troll.
> >
> > You couldn't let go of this if you wanted to.
Sure I could. You make it tough tho, with your insulting blather. And
maybe, as I told robert, I don't want to. Maybe.
I think
> > you are truly a danger to yourself and others, and
> > need to be treated ASAP.
Sure, because I vocally disagree with you. That makes me a DANGER! LOL
What a transparent, disturbed piece of work you are.
Perhaps someone else will
> > do what needs to be done,
And what would THAT be, Francid? Is THAT a threat?? Is Harry and his BIG
arms going to come hurt me? tsk tsk...better not!
and you can handle it in
> > your usual passive-aggressive way.
Look who's being so aggressive! You'd just kill for a penis, wouldnt you?
LOL!
> >
> > Keep talkin, Charlie. So you won't have to think.
OK. Thanks for the permission, teach.
HAR HAR
> > --
> > New: The First Flight Instructors
> > http://sites.netscape.net/fabe9131944
Puh-fuckin-leeze.........who the hell cares about your damn dad? Besides
you.
>
>
Jeremy Boob
"SteelandGlass" <Jo...@ndYoko.org> wrote in message
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>
>
> On 03 Oct 2001 06:19:59 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her.
>
>
> Nope. You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or married
to her.
>
Shit. I bet not many women see it that way.
I Found Out
I bet you're talking out your anus.
I bet there aren't many women who insist on fundamentalist
interpretations of the Ten Commandments.
Go to hell.
--
Power to the People, Right on!
http://sites.netscape.net/fabe9131944
Jeremy Boob
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
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>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:53:58 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "SteelandGlass" <Jo...@ndYoko.org> wrote in message
> > news:10359.U...@news.best1.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03 Oct 2001 06:19:59 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope. You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or
married
> > to her.
> > >
> >
> > Shit. I bet not many women see it that way.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I bet you're talking out your anus.
>
> I bet there aren't many women who insist on fundamentalist
> interpretations of the Ten Commandments.
>
> Go to hell.
>
KavisD
"Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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Don't mind her, Chuck - it's just Francie again. She's one person who uses
Supernews who you can count on for a good insult...
Jeremy Boob
"KavisD" <davi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, yeah! I kinda knew who it was, but thanks. Now to just find a way to
ignore her.
>
>
I Found Out
My word is good. Keep up the gratuitous flames, Charlie.
You are asking for it.
--
And you think you're so clever and classless and free...
http://sites.netscape.net/fabe9131944
KavisD
'obssessed'? She talks like a girlfriend who just got dumbed and has
decided that she wants to serve her ex's balls in a jar...
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
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>
>
Jeremy Boob
> Man, is she ripping into Chuck or what. Shall I use Merkle's word
> 'obssessed'? She talks like a girlfriend who just got dumbed and has
> decided that she wants to serve her ex's balls in a jar...
<shudder>
Could you perhaps have come up with a less picturesque analogy? whoof!
(Yet apparently true. Boy, once a dumpee always a dumpee I guess)
Jeremy Boob
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
> My word is good. Keep up the gratuitous flames, Charlie.
I'm responding to *your* unholy blasts, Schwartz.
>
> You are asking for it.
For what? Little Miss Threat-Maker...
>
>
> --
> And you think you're so clever and classless and free...
But you're still a peasant
KavisD
>
> "I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
> news:1031135....@news.best1.net...
>
> > My word is good. Keep up the gratuitous flames, Charlie.
>
> I'm responding to *your* unholy blasts, Schwartz.
> >
> > You are asking for it.
>
> For what? Little Miss Threat-Maker...
Sounds like a death threat, Chuck - maybe you should call the police on her.
;>)
UsurperTom
>You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or married to her.
Whatever the extent of your relationship with Paul was, he CHEATED on you. You
were his live-in girlfriend and he violated his commitment to you. The story
of you waiting for him in the car is just one example that we know of.
Tom
Jeremy Boob
Well, frankly, if I was Paul McCartney in the mid 60's I'd be too busy
having sex to make music.
lstoll
>
> Francie wrote:
>
> You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're
> engaged or married to her.
>
> his commitment to you.
I don't agree with either of you. Not all live-in
relationships (or marriages for that matter) involve
a commitment to being sexually exclusive, but even
if one isn't married or engaged one can be
unfaithful if one has agreed to be sexually
exclusive.
> The story of you waiting for him in the car
> is just one example that we know of.
Except that she only felt that's what happened.
But I'm curious as to how you know who else this guy
had sex with in July and August, Tom ;-) -laura
I Found Out
On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:01:57 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, frankly, if I was Paul McCartney in the mid 60's I'd be too busy
> having sex to make music.
>
>
>
No you wouldn't, you'd be too busy trying to get
your record company off the ground, too busy recording
the songs you were writing, and too busy trying to hang
on to your partner (who was rapidly losing interest in
the group he started, but which was stealing his personal
life away) and much too busy drinking and smoking to
have more sex than your main squeeze was already providing.
--
And you think you're so clever and classless and free...
I Found Out
On 03 Oct 2001 19:44:49 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
>
> Francie wrote:
>
> >You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or married to her.
>
> Whatever the extent of your relationship with Paul was, he CHEATED on you.
No he didn't.
You
> were his live-in girlfriend and he violated his commitment to you.
There was no commitment to me as a girlfriend involving monogamy.
The story
> of you waiting for him in the car is just one example that we know of.
> Tom
>
Funny how neither you nor Laura remembers the most important part of that vignette. When Paul got back to me in the car and I asked him why he did what he did instead of taking me home first, he said (with shame)
"I don't know." He tried harder to make his intentions clear after that,
not the opposite.
na
"SteelandGlass" <Jo...@ndYoko.org> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her.
>
>
> Nope. You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or married
to her.
yeah, you cant be unfaithful to a stray fuck.
na
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:53:58 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "SteelandGlass" <Jo...@ndYoko.org> wrote in message
> > news:10359.U...@news.best1.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03 Oct 2001 06:19:59 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope. You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or
married
> > to her.
> > >
> >
> > Shit. I bet not many women see it that way.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I bet you're talking out your anus.
well you're the expert on that .
Jeremy Boob
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:01:57 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Well, frankly, if I was Paul McCartney in the mid 60's I'd be too busy
> > having sex to make music.
> >
> >
> >
>
> No you wouldn't, you'd be too busy trying to get
> your record company off the ground, too busy recording
> the songs you were writing, and too busy trying to hang
> on to your partner (who was rapidly losing interest in
> the group he started, but which was stealing his personal
> life away) and much too busy drinking and smoking to
> have more sex than your main squeeze was already providing.
OK, thanks for telling me what I would do.
na
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:20:21 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
> > news:1031122....@news.best1.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:53:58 -0700 "Jeremy Boob"
<wid...@angelfire.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "SteelandGlass" <Jo...@ndYoko.org> wrote in message
> > > > news:10359.U...@news.best1.net...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 03 Oct 2001 06:19:59 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, Francie did say that Paul was unfaithful to her.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or
> > married
> > > > to her.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shit. I bet not many women see it that way.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I bet you're talking out your anus.
> > >
> > > I bet there aren't many women who insist on fundamentalist
> > > interpretations of the Ten Commandments.
> > >
> > > Go to hell.
> > >
> > What, are you actually seeking me out, Trolless?
> >
> >
> >
>
> My word is good.
ROFLOLOLOLOLMAO!!!!!!!!!
na
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
>
> No you wouldn't, you'd be too busy trying to get
> your record company off the ground, too busy recording
> the songs you were writing, and too busy trying to hang
> on to your partner (who was rapidly losing interest in
> the group he started, but which was stealing his personal
> life away) and much too busy drinking and smoking to
> have more sex than your main squeeze was already providing.
obviously you were a dud fuck.
Pamela Rae Lee
> > >Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
>> >
>> > Mmmmmm, pie. That sounds good. What kind?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Bigot Pie, of course!
>
>oh, you simply you must give us your recipe.
>
>
>
Of course, it is a FLAMING Pie, isn't it?
Polythene Pam
na
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
>
>
> On 03 Oct 2001 19:44:49 GMT usurp...@aol.com (UsurperTom) wrote:
>
> >
> > Francie wrote:
> >
> > >You can't be unfaithful to a girl unless you're engaged or married to
her.
> >
> > Whatever the extent of your relationship with Paul was, he CHEATED on
you.
>
>
> No he didn't.
i agree 100%.
you can't cheat on a cheap slut.
Susan
>
> "I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
> news:103151....@news.best1.net...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:01:57 -0700 "Jeremy Boob" <wid...@angelfire.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, frankly, if I was Paul McCartney in the mid 60's I'd be too busy
>>> having sex to make music.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No you wouldn't, you'd be too busy trying to get
>> your record company off the ground, too busy recording
>> the songs you were writing, and too busy trying to hang
>> on to your partner (who was rapidly losing interest in
>> the group he started, but which was stealing his personal
>> life away) and much too busy drinking and smoking to
>> have more sex than your main squeeze was already providing.
>
> OK, thanks for telling me what I would do.
>>
>>
Naw, you'd be too busy having sex.
~Susan~
Jeremy Boob
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KavisD
"na" <m...@arrow.com> wrote in message news:9pg2vj$qld$0...@dosa.alt.net...
She wrote a whole book that way, didn't she? ;>)
KavisD
Yeah, baby, yeah!!!
KavisD
"na" <m...@arrow.com> wrote in message news:9pg2a7$oo9$0...@dosa.alt.net...
Is that also Merkle's philosophy? ;>)
MrGripweed
Blackbird
Just Francie
Yup. A Flaming Bigot Pie in a Calico Sky...
right in 'is eye.
--
Every society honors its live conformists
and its dead troublemakers.
~ Mignon Mclaughlin ~
na
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>
>
> On 03 Oct 2001 22:29:44 GMT polythen...@aol.comNewby (Pamela Rae Lee)
wrote:
>
> >
> > In article <9pc4sm$do2$0...@dosa.alt.net>, "na" <m...@arrow.com> writes:
> >
> > > > >Tasteless troll, shut your piehole.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mmmmmm, pie. That sounds good. What kind?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Bigot Pie, of course!
> > >
> > >oh, you simply you must give us your recipe.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Of course, it is a FLAMING Pie, isn't it?
> > Polythene Pam
> >
>
> Yup. A Flaming Bigot Pie in a Calico Sky...
is it bigoted to call people JEW HATERS?
just wondering.;)
hennessyandco
> married
> > > to her.
******************
Say what?!?!?!?
Lizz Holmans
Perhaps that's how it works for some people. That's not how it works
for me. I remember being devastated when my boyfriend cheated on
me--and we were merely going steady.
I've been married to somebody or other since I was 20, though, so any
cheating has been apparently the proper sort.
Lizz ' the improper sort' Holmans
hennessyandco
people--barring an articulated pact about an open relationship--would feel
that living together, even steady dating, implies exclusivity.
Anyway, Francie, even if you don't call it cheating when Paul fooled around
with someone else while you waited in the car, he was still engaged to Jane
Asher, right? So he WAS cheating, but on her, by having you live in. He
wasn't all THAT "old-fashioned"!
lstoll
>
> Funny how neither you nor Laura remembers
> the most important part of that vignette.
> When Paul got back to me in the car and I asked
> him why he did what he did instead of taking
> me home first, he said (with shame)
> "I don't know."
I remember it, but your perception at that point was
as much about what you were feeling and therefore
thought he would be feeling and expressing as about
anything else. -laura
na
"hennessyandco" <hennes...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:etzH5JHTBHA.2200@cpimsnntpa03...
the explanation is simple.
franny was nothing but a stray fuck for paul.
in other words, she's a kind of "wank rag".
lstoll
>
> So he WAS cheating, but on her, by having you live in.
> He wasn't all THAT "old-fashioned"!
I'm sure Francie was referring only to the more
negative ways of being old-fashioned and
conservative. -laura
I Found Out
Boring, Teddy. The engagement was broken by Jane on TV
late in June. The waiting in the car business was later
on when the helter skelter got hairy.
You people (your generation) have no clue what it
was like before "articulated pacts" was a phrase
describing romance.
We were attracted intellectually and it quickly got
passionate, then he got confused about what was the
right thing to do. Of course, in his Liverpudlian way,
he thought the woman he loved should have put him
above all her ambitions as an actress, even though
he was still doing the groupie thing with a few
women...
Yes, it was The Old Fashioned Way - the guy comes first.
A man can "sow his wild oats" but the woman he chooses
for a mate must be willing to drop the career and provide
him a son and heir. Doesn't matter if she's been wild
before - he's a classic Northern Bloke.
But there was never any talk about cheating. We didn't
have to - it was all or nothing with Paul. After he
wrote John and Yoko that hate note, I decided I couldn't
find a way to tolerate his racism. We weren't meant to
marry, so it had NOTHING to do with who was more
promiscuous... if you knew Paul, you would know how
funny that is.
Francie
na
"I Found Out" <Appr...@telyFinite.org> wrote in message
> We were attracted intellectually and it quickly got
> passionate, then he got confused about what was the
> right thing to do.
until clarity overtook him and he kicked your skanky butt out of his house
and out of his life.
LOL!
UsurperTom
>The engagement was broken by Jane on TV late in June.
Jane's announcement to the public on TV was on July 20. However, most
biographers date the actual dumping to some time in June.
Tom
Jeremy Boob
> people--barring an articulated pact about an open relationship--would feel
> that living together, even steady dating, implies exclusivity.
Funny...I kinda thought maybe other ("normal") women would disagree with
that statement (and sure enough they have) and yet that makes *me* a sick
piece of shit. Go figger..