Smoking Wallflowers
Sad Caper
Do any of the Wallflowers smoke besides Rami? I heard that Jakob
Dylan smokes!!
HackettGWA
> Do any of the Wallflowers smoke besides Rami? I heard that Jakob<BR>
>Dylan smokes!!
you sounded concerned.....big woop.....all of them probably do. whats the big
surprise anyway? i guess you haven't been out that much.
Sad Caper
Well, didn't a little a while ago, they said liking being healthy?
Why would you smoke if your a singer?! You would end up sounding like
Dickey Barrett (Mighty Mighty Bosstones)!! Yeah, I have been stuck in a
hole for ever!! I couldn't go to the Wallflowers show when they came!!
You seem to know a lot about the Wallflowers!! (big woop)
HackettGWA wrote in message
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squirm...@webtv.net
I know, really. Why do you care so much? It's not like Jakob Dylan is
the only person in the whole world who's ever picked up a cigarette.
Sara
HackettGWA
Smoking is a part of life, even if you are a singer.....well, maybe not for
whitney houston or leanne rimes...I don't see what the big deal is about
smoking.
I don't smoke cigarettes or pot, and I am not defending The Wallfowers, but i
don't see why someone would make a stink about it. Its an accepted thing, even
if pot isn't legal (whether it be on stage or off) besides, wasn't it jakob's
father that has a song where he says,"...everybody must get stoned."?
Dene Wilby
>you sounded concerned.....big woop.....all of them probably do. whats the
big
>surprise anyway? i guess you haven't been out that much.
There's no need to be rude to fellow fans! Her question was as valid as
others seen on this newsgroup.
FYI Mike Ward doesn't smoke.
-Dene
steven moy
Dene Wilby (**de...@dial.pipex.com**) wrote:
: FYI Mike Ward doesn't smoke.
Greg doesn't smoke either.
-$
HuhnyB
>
>: FYI Mike Ward doesn't smoke.
>
>
>Greg doesn't smoke either.
.......or Mario, if I'm correct.
So that just leaves Rami (who smokes cigars on stage) and Jake. Why dont I
just pop in my 2 cents since we're on the subject? :0)
Rami and Jake know what they're doing. I mean, it'd be cooler if they didn't
smoke, but it's their choice. They're adults, they know the consequences. If
they lung cancer, I'm not going to say "oh poor baby". It's their own fault.
They'll bring it upon themselves. So, in conclusion, different strokes for
different folks.
~Erica
Sad Caper
I am male. Thanks for the support!!
Dene Wilby <**de...@dial.pipex.com**> wrote in message
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>There's no need to be rude to fellow fans! Her question was as valid as
>others seen on this newsgroup.
>
>FYI Mike Ward doesn't smoke.
>
>-Dene
SidewlkAmy
<<FYI Mike Ward doesn't smoke.>>
Neither does Mario...actually, the only Flowers that smoke (that I know of)
are Jake and Rami. It's not like I approve of smoking but, come on, is that
going to keep the boys from making great music? I highly doubt it. Sure, it's
not good for your health and all that stuff but if that's what makes them happy
then who am I to criticize? Life is too short to worry about s**t like that ,
anyway.
*~*Amy*~*
HackettGWA
>Sure, it's<BR>
>not good for your health and all that stuff but if that's what makes them
>then who am I to criticize? Life is too short to worry about s**t like that
>,
i totally agree.
SusanB3626
Isn't this reply a bit harsh for someone who was just asking a question?
Susan
Kathodee
>: FYI Mike Ward doesn't smoke.
>
>
>Greg doesn't smoke either.
just in case anyone was curious I don't think Mario smokes either because I
read an interview where he said " even the second hand smoke is getting to me"
but I agree that I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal over this,
SO WHAT!!!!
KVGregg
cool! Dene is back! it seems like the people who were regulars here have all
disappeared :-( I liek seeing some familiar names, even if mine doesn't look
familiar to you!
CocaCola58
>Why would you smoke if your a singer?! You would end up sounding like
>Dickey Barrett (Mighty Mighty Bosstones)!!
First of all, I like Dicky Barrett. I think his voice is really cool, and it
gives the Mighty Mighty Bosstones an interesting sound(Being the only
Wallflower fan who also is a huge MMB fan, that I know of). I tend to agree
with the majority on this board and say it's thier choice. Both my parents
smoke huge amounts, and I work in a gas station, and I know what it does to
people. I've also known people who have died from lung cancer. I'm sure all
of the Wallflowers are aware of this fact. They are grown-up and can decide
for themselves. I'm only 18 and I know what happens to people. They're in
thier late20's and I'm sure they know too.
Cinnderlla
>(Being the only
>Wallflower fan who also is a huge MMB fan, that I know of).
I really like the MMB!! I mean not as much as Wallflowers, but you can't say
knowbody does, cuz I do!! see ya
Cinnderlla
LoUiE156
i like the MMB too! they are so awesome! how could you not love them?!
Dene Wilby
KVGregg wrote in message <19980215043...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Ooohhh, thank you, I didn't know anyone cared :-)
FYI i'm working on doing a major update on the Mike Ward website which will
hopefully include a Q&A from the people on this newsgroup (please don't send
any questions yet). I'll also be adding personal information (DOB, home city
etc. etc.) to make it a really comprehensive site about him. Mike hasn't
been in the best of health recently though so it may be a few weeks before I
get the go ahead and can ask you all to send me your questions, so get
thinking of some good ones.
Later
-Dene
Randy
I personally can't stand cigarettes and hate having to walk through a
smoking section in a restaraunt. Smoking kills and so does second hand
smoke. I think smoking should be banned if it wasn't such a money making
thing it already would have been. It is highly addictive. I don't
dislike people who smoke but do mind if they do it around me. Randy V.
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Dene Wilby
> Neither does Mario...actually, the only Flowers that smoke (that I know
of)
>are Jake and Rami. It's not like I approve of smoking but, come on, is
that
>going to keep the boys from making great music? I highly doubt it. Sure,
it's
happy
that ,
Not that this matters in any way at all (and i'm not name dropping either)
but when they came to the UK and I was hanging out on the tour bus :-)
Jakob asked if it was OK by us if he lit up. So all you anti-smokers/Jakob
lovers can console yourselves in the fact that Jakob is a considerate smoker
;-)
Later
-Dene
HuhnyB
>So all you anti-smokers/Jakob
>lovers can console yourselves in the fact that Jakob is a considerate smoker
>;-)
<g> Cute, Dene. :0)
~Erica
anthea
In article <19980214024...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
hacke...@aol.com (HackettGWA) wrote:
> Smoking is a part of life, even if you are a singer.....well, maybe not for
> whitney houston or leanne rimes...I don't see what the big deal is about
> smoking.
> I don't smoke cigarettes or pot, and I am not defending The Wallfowers, but i
> don't see why someone would make a stink about it. Its an accepted
thing, even
> if pot isn't legal (whether it be on stage or off) besides, wasn't it jakob's
> father that has a song where he says,"...everybody must get stoned."?
Oh my... my pet peave! :) Rainy Day WOman is not about getting stoned!
While the quote "everybody must get stoned" was enough to give the uptight
a coronary and ban the song from the radio (and this result was probably
somewhat intended), if you listen to the lyrics the song is about getting
stoned (figuratively) for how you feel and believe.
It's kind of like the opposite from those songs that sound really
innocent, but if you listen hard, they are really about drugs. Rainy Day
Woman SOUNDS like its about drugs, but if you listen to it, it has quite
an innocent message.
sorry, I know this has nothing to do with the Wallflowrs smoking...
peace,
anthea
squirm...@webtv.net
MMB were wayyyyy better when they were a local band, and just a bunch of
home-boys. Let's Face it is the most distasteful album i've ever heard.
They're so much better than that and i wish people started appreciating
them back when they were good.
Sara
squirm...@webtv.net
um, just to clear it up, i once said that mario was a health freak, not
the whole band.
Eyespitbum
>Rainy Day
>Woman SOUNDS like its about drugs, but if you listen to it, it has quite
>an innocent message.
>
>
wow...thank's for posting that! i'm not really a great Bob fan, but i can
certainly appreciate his music...and am always interested in learning from
people who know more then i do! (haha...god that sounds dumb,..) but
really, thanks again!
Dianne
Eyespitbum
>I was hanging out on the tour bus :-)
oh wow, dene... you must tell me more about that!!!
Dianne
Sylflower
<<<Ooohhh, thank you, I didn't know anyone cared :-) >>>
I care also, Dene. Good to see you around again.
Thanks for putting together a site for Mike Ward. That will really be a
pleasure to check out. I hope Mike is okay. I hope he will get better soon,
what ever the problem is.
Sylvia
Cinnderlla
> I hope Mike is okay. I hope he will get better soon,
>what ever the problem is.
Hello, what is the problem with Mike..I mean is this Mike Ward? What
happened?
Cinnderlla
CocaCola58
Actually, I like "Don't Know How To Party" a lot better than "Let's Face It".
But I don't think that when they made the album they were sitting around and
saying, "Allright this album is going to be really popular, lets just make it a
slough album" They didn't know it was going to be so popular before they made
it.
CocaCola58
>mario was a health freak
On jenny McCarthy, the one where they played "The Difference" Mike was saying
what each band member brought to the band he said mario brought healthy snacks.
Okay, this was the most pointless post. Oh well
Soze82
I think we are all making way too big of of a deal about this. There is nothing
we can do about it. I know it is not good for your health, but it their
decesion to smoke. I wished that they didn't, but it is their OWN decesion. So
I think everybody should calm down about it.
Jen D.
steven moy
squirm...@webtv.net wrote:
: MMB were wayyyyy better when they were a local band, and just a bunch of
Well, actually, I find myself in the total reverse position.
Not that I necessarily think that the Bosstone's current stuff is
better than their old stuff, but I never really got into them
until Let's Face It kinda shoved their music into my CD collection
by being played so much. The thing was, back when they were a
smaller time local band, I used to go to parties with them and stuff,
and they were just kind of regular in my mind, because Boston was
pretty darn cramped with really good local bands. If you look back at
the late 80's and early 90's, there were a ton of bands that were
putting out music as good if not better than what the Bosstones were
doing then. Ever hear of a now-defunct band called The Cake Eaters?
(later to be known as This Electric). Man, real good stuff, a lot
of whose songs were written by a kid named Dan Dratch, who has
sort of been out of the music scene in recent years, unfortunately.
And I'm positive that almost all of you would have *loved* their stuff.
But my point is that if you had to rewind and re-evaluate the
old Bosstone's stuff, sure you can find some real awesome music there,
but it's their current incarnation that brought their music into
the mainstream (and into my CD collection). And I can't count
the number of local bands that had stuff I liked equally as much
or even better than what the Bosstones were doing. But since the
majority of the other bands never hit mainstream like that, most
of their stuff has faded out of my memory. So I think you can't
have a resentment for the evolution of the band and their music,
because, yes, they're still the same guys, primarily still into the
same things they were into when they did their old stuff, and for that
I'd say you gotta support what they're doing today. After all,
if not for that same type of evolution, we would never have had
the Wallflowers.
-$
The vermon
>
>On jenny McCarthy, the one where they played "The Difference" Mike was
>saying
>what each band member brought to the band he said mario brought healthy
>snacks.
> Okay, this was the most pointless post. Oh well
>
>
that!
Dene Wilby
> Hello, what is the problem with Mike..I mean is this Mike Ward? What
>happened?
Relax, probably just a bug.
-Dene
squirm...@webtv.net
I know that but i'm just saying that Let's face it is really bad! I
think they might have had a clue as to the fact that this album was
going to be somewhat successful. I'm just sad that I used to be able to
go see them play at a local college, and now they're playing sold out
shows at the Fleet Center. I just liked it better before.
Sara
HuhnyB
>Rainy Day WOman is not about getting stoned!
Anthea, are you SURE? I mean, I'm not trying to doubt your knowledge, but
garsh, I just can't help but not believe that....well, let me listen to Blonde
on Blonde again, and I'll listen really closely to the lyrics. You may be
right. After all if you look at the initials of the song "RDW", there aren't
any drugs that stand for that, as opposed to a certain Beatles song <wink> :0)
~Erica
HuhnyB
Glad to see ya posting, Steve!
~Erica :0)
HuhnyB
Geeze, I didn't really think there was anything WRONG with the board in the
sense that we were all bitching at each other. I guess everyone here is pretty
sedate compared to a Beatles BulletinBoard I used to post at quite often.....oh
well, ignorance is bliss and I'll just go now and return to my usual state of
oblivion :0)
Deidremk
I think that Rainy Day Women is a play on words, and has both meanings. It's
just like Bob to enjoy that kind of double meaning--and of course, he loves to
leave us all wondering what the heck he really means.
Cinnderlla
Yeah, but when did you hear of this bug?
Altchick29
>> Hello, what is the problem with Mike..I mean is this Mike Ward? What
>>happened?
>
>
>Relax, probably just a bug.
Poor Mike, I hope he feels better, at least sometime before the Grammy's. I
wonder why he's the one always getting colds.........even when they were on
tour, you'd always hear about him and (I think) Jakob getting colds.....maybe
because of their hectic tour schedule I guess.
Laterz,
Christine
Dene Wilby
> Yeah, but when did you hear of this bug?
Last week, he'll probably be up and about on his bike by now.
-Dene
anthea
In article <19980216163...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, huh...@aol.com
(HuhnyB) wrote:
> Anthea, are you SURE? I mean, I'm not trying to doubt your knowledge, but
> garsh, I just can't help but not believe that....well, let me listen to Blonde
> on Blonde again, and I'll listen really closely to the lyrics.
I think it was incredibly deliberate for it to seem as though it was about
drugs, and I'm sure that he knew exactly what he was saying and how it
would percieved by the public ---- and I think he was getting one hell of
a kick out of the idea of every uptight person in the world sh!ting their
pants when they hear the song. :) However, the sound, while it has these
deliberate overtones, is not about drugs. I think he's in a way poking
fun at all the people who hide the "drug" messages of their songs behind
code words. Those who make their song sound innocent, get it playing on
the radio forever, and none of the uptight take notice..... with Rainy Day
Woman, he did the opposite. I think it's rather clever :)
peace,
anthea
HuhnyB
My friend told me that Rainy Day Women is slang for pot....oh well, I don't
feel like trying to figure out tonight anyways.... :0)
> he [Bob] loves to
>leave us all wondering what the heck he really means.
With his words AND his voice.....boy does that man mumble! :0)
~Rici
HuhnyB
>I think it's rather clever :)
It is. I really like Dylan's humor (ex: "I started out on Burgundy but soon
hit the harder stuff")
~Erica :0)
ChannaCLA
>I think that Rainy Day Women is a play on words, and has both meanings. >It's
to
>leave us all wondering what the heck he really means.
Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 by His Bobness
Well, they'll stone you when you're trying to be so good,
They'll stone you just a-like they said they would.
They'll stone you when you're tryin' to go home.
They'll stone you when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.
Well, they'll stone you when you're walkin' 'long the street.
They'll stone you when you're tryin' to keep your seat.
They'll stone you when you're walkin' on the floor.
They'll stone you when you're walkin' to the door.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.
They'll stone you when you're at the breakfast table
They'll stone you when you're young and able.
They'll stone you when you're trying to make a buck.
They'll stone you and then they'll say, "good luck."
I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.
Well, they'll stone you and say that it's the end
Then they'll stone you and then they'll come back again.
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car.
They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar
Yes, but I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.
They stone you when you walk all alone.
THey'll stone you when you're walking home
They'll stone you and then say you are brave.
They'll stone you when you're set down in your grave
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.
:) Channa
I typed this mostly from my semi-reliable memory (plus a little assistance from
my friend the Dylan freak) so apologies to Bob fans if I screwed some of it up.
And to justify posting this on the Wallflower board, theWallflowers are great,
the Wallflowers are great, the Wallflowers are great. :)
Sylflower
Doesn't "stoned" in "Rainy Day Women" mean" attacked"? or "put down"? Like
back in ancient history, when a person got stoned for being an outcast, or
doing something that society didn't approve of... a bunch of people threw
stones at that person to run them out of town... or just to hurt them? In
this song, I think he is saying everyone has to get put down by society at
some point in their lives. Society has a way of "stoning" it's members to
"keep them in line" It's kind of like saying "you can't please everyone." or
"you just can't win sometimes."
Well, that's my five cents... Sylvia
Juliew
its a double entendre
Sylflower <sylf...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980219031...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Salvatore Profeta Jr.
yeah mario doesn't smoke, and greg, mike and mario really don't like
like it when the others smoke around them either... bothers 'em a lot
...hear first hand too...
Ann