Re: What went on between Paul McCartney and Jo Jo Laine?
Runnnerr
hotRo...@famousgroupies.org wrote:
> Apparently, in one of the books on Denny, she said that Paul used to come
> on to her during the Wings period? True?
No, I think he used a condom.
abby again
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> Apparently, in one of the books on Denny, she said that Paul used to come
> on to her during the Wings period? True?
From what I've read in a magazine interview with her, she really hated the
whole Wings era. She resented living on the McCartneys' farm and she never
felt that Denny was given credit - verbal or monetary - for his
contributions. If anything, I would think that Paul was just extra nice to
her since she probably appeared unhappy.
Just speculation.........
Keith
And one of the main reasons behind the fall-out between Paul and Denny
was because Jo-Jo went to the press with all these stories...and then
Denny did it too...
As for the credit...well based on what he's done since, it seems Denny
was lucky to be in that spot for nearly 10 years...Macca should
possibly not have had him sign away all his future royalties for that
£1M check in 1980 or 81.
Agent Smith
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> Apparently, in one of the books on Denny, she said that Paul used to
> come on to her during the Wings period? True?
Who among us would be surprised to know that a famous, cute, virile, young
man firted with a girl when his wife ws away?
Mr. Francie
YALL
SUXOR AND U SUCK AND U R STOOOOOPIT AND U SUXOR FUCK YALL
Bip Bop
says... "Get back, Jo Jo."
Runnnerr
Mr. Francie wrote:
> YALL CAN EAT MY SHIT AND HAVE MY BABIES AND EAT MY PISS AND FUCK A DONKERY
> YALL
> SUXOR AND U SUCK AND U R STOOOOOPIT AND U SUXOR FUCK YALL
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I much prefer The White Album
to Beggar's Banquet.
What's a donkery?
fatt...@yahoo.com
"No, I think he used a condom."
Hee hee hee
uly...@mscomm.com
planet earth believes it except for her.
Jo Jo went way beyond claiming Paul "flirted" with her. She claimed he
made a straight out pass, and there's a big difference between casual
flirting and asking a woman tro go to bed.
Jo Jo's most interesting stories relate to the incredible cheapness of
both McCartney's. Paul's cheapness is legendary so Jo Jo's stories here
are believable.
Finally, consider this: had Paul actually made a pass at Jo Jo, she
would have taken him up on it. I doubt there was a woman alive in the
70's he wouldn't have screwed Paul McCartney unless they were blind or
a lesbian.
Secretagentman
said the same thing. Not everyone is attracted to a chipmunk.
UsurperTom
> Jo Jo went way beyond claiming Paul "flirted" with her.
Jo Jo said that Linda tried to seduce Denny. Sometimes Jo Jo would
call Denny's hotel room and Linda would answer the phone!
fatt...@yahoo.com
both McCartney's. Paul's cheapness is legendary so Jo Jo's stories here
are believable."
I just finished reading the new biography called McCartney and some
time ago read the book by Danny Fields about Linda. Paul (and Linda's)
cheapness is so extreme it is almost weird. I think Linda was an
influence on Paul in this regard.
For example, their farm house up in Scotland was so humble and such a
wreck, that Mary called it "the tool shed" or something like that.
I suspect that compared to Linda, Heather (the second wife) is very
high maintenance.
fatt...@yahoo.com
"Jo Jo said Linda tried to seduce Denny . . . ."
I think Paul and Linda had an exemplary marriage . . . . However we
must remember that Linda was considered a groupie by some before she
met Paul. She apparently had this attrraction for rock stars. Paul
was not her first.
fatt...@yahoo.com
can't trust him" Guiliano reported that Jo Jo claimed she had gone to
bed with John Lennon and went into some detail in his book Lennon In
New York (I think that is what the book was called) Guiliano also
claimed to have gotten hold of Lennon's diaries where he allegedly
wrote that he had a quick fling with Linda. I don't know if I believe
any of this, but I just wanted to report what Guiliano claims.
homesick
"Bip Bop"
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> Was this the same "Jo Jo" that McCartney mentions in "Get Back" when he
> says... "Get back, Jo Jo."
Yes...despite the fact that Paul didn't know Denny or Jojo(her real name?)in
1969....
Christian Henriksson
<ho...@sick.com> sayeth thus:
You're right about Jojo, but remember that Paul met Denny while the
latter was in the Moody Blues, so around '65-'66 or so.
Christian Henriksson
(christian.henriksson @ comhem.se)
--
"Keep the city clean!
Eat a pigeon every day."
uly...@mscomm.com
she met Paul in '68, so she could bolster her (ludicrous) claim that
the Jo Jo In Get Back was indeed her. What a bunch of bunk. I also
don't believe for a second that she ever had sex with Lennon. She
wasn't even around Lennon in order to nail him.
As for Linda being a groupie, everyone knows she slept around big time
prior to her marriage to Paul. Mick was one of her many, many
conquests. But I've never seen anything reliable to suggest she was
continuing this behavior after marrying Paul. I don't believe Lennon
screwed Linda as Guiliano claims. John is on record as not finding
Linda attractive. He said in '68, "What does Paul see in her?" but I
can see him taking Linda to bed just to get back at Paul. Had this
really happened, John would have boasted about it and made it known to
everyone around him. How come no one around him ever repeated the
story? I don't think it ever happened.
I do believe it's *possible* that Paul had discrete affairs after
marrying Linda. I never bought into the ridiculous hype surrounding
their relationship. I think they had a solid, happy and successful
marriage but I still think Paul might have cheated on her now and then.
As for the Macca defenders who will inevitably scream, "But Paul and
Linda never spent a single night apart except for the Jap pot bust!"...
there's always the daytime to cheat, you know.
UsurperTom
> Guiliano also claimed to have gotten hold of Lennon's diaries where he allegedly wrote that he had a quick fling with Linda.
Giuliano claimed that he got this story not from John's diaries, but
from the handwritten note from George Speerin, who was actually Sam
Havadtoy's lover and personal assistant (Giuliano doesn't mention this
in his book). Speerin died of AIDS. I know for a fact that Giuliano's
accounts of John's diaries were mostly accurate, while other
information in the book leaves a lot to be desired.
An anonymous journalist in another newsgroup interiewed famous groupies
for an article in the early 80's. One of them, Suzy Thunders, said
that she had a fling with Paul McCartney in LA during the late 70's.
John also told Fred Seaman that Paul hit Linda a few times. This
probably explains Yoko's choice of charity to honor Linda after
complaining about Paul not inviting her to Linda's memorial service.
UsurperTom
> "But Paul and Linda never spent a single night apart except for the Jap pot bust!"....
Many fans make the mistake of believing PR embellishments as gospel.
This is similar to John's remark that he spent five years without
touching a guitar, which is now known to be bullshit. Paul has lied to
the press about where Linda died. What makes you think he wouldn't lie
about matters of lesser importance?
Would you pick homesick as a handle?-fuck no
"Giuliano claimed that he got this story not from John's diaries, but
from the handwritten note from George Speerin, who was actually Sam
Havadtoy's lover and personal assistant (Giuliano doesn't mention this
in his book). Speerin died of AIDS. I know for a fact that Giuliano's
accounts of John's diaries were mostly accurate, while other
information in the book leaves a lot to be desired.
An anonymous journalist in another newsgroup interiewed famous groupies
for an article in the early 80's. One of them, Suzy Thunders, said
that she had a fling with Paul McCartney in LA during the late 70's.
John also told Fred Seaman that Paul hit Linda a few times. This
probably explains Yoko's choice of charity to honor Linda after
complaining about Paul not inviting her to Linda's memorial service."
All your Beatle talk bores me
Lizz Holmans
handle?-fuck no" <johnw...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>All your Beatle talk bores me
Then quit cross-posting to rec.music.beatles.
Lizz 'then you wouldn't bore us' Holmans
--
Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta
fatt...@yahoo.com
"Yes, despite the fact that Paul didn't know Denny or Jojo . . . in
1969."
I don't think that is quite true . . . Denny Laine was a professional
musician in his own right before he joined Wings. He was a member of
the Moody Blues and other bands. I am pretty sure I read somewhere
that Paul and Denny knew each other during the Beatle years. I don't
know if Paul knew Jo Jo then.
fatt...@yahoo.com
famous groupies
for an article in the early 80's. One of them, Suzy Thunders, said
that she had a fling with Paul McCartney in LA during the late 70's.
John also told Fred Seaman that Paul hit Linda a few times. This
probably explains Yoko's choice of charity to honor Linda after
complaining about Paul not inviting her to Linda's memorial service."
As far as Yoko's choice of charity, that I don't know.
However, one thing I did find interesting is this: Paul admitted that
after Linda died, he spent some time speaking with a psychotherapist
because he felt "guilty." I sometimes wondered why should Paul feel
guilty? And why should he feel so guilty that he felt the need to be
in therapy after his beloved wife died? I believe Paul loved Linda
very much and probably was a very good husband . . . . .However, I also
believe that it is possible he hit her or cheated on her, and that is
why he felt guilty.
I have not seen an interview where Paul admitted why he felt guilty,
although I think I have read a vague statement where he indicated that
he was not always perfect (no one is) and hence, he felt guilty.
Keith
>after Linda died, he spent some time speaking with a psychotherapist
>because he felt "guilty." I sometimes wondered why should Paul feel
>guilty? And why should he feel so guilty that he felt the need to be
>in therapy after his beloved wife died? I believe Paul loved Linda
>very much and probably was a very good husband . . . . .However, I also
>believe that it is possible he hit her or cheated on her, and that is
>why he felt guilty.
>
>I have not seen an interview where Paul admitted why he felt guilty,
>although I think I have read a vague statement where he indicated that
>he was not always perfect (no one is) and hence, he felt guilty.
Maybe it was because he hadn't been able to save her ? I think this is
pretty common when someone close dies, "what could I have done that
would have changed thinkgs" kind of stuff.
UsurperTom
> he spent some time speaking with a psychotherapist because he felt "guilty."
I remember that interview and I had the same reaction that you had. I
found it odd and I wondered what Paul was "guilty" about if his
marriage was as perfect as he claimed it was.
Bruce Mirken
are INCREDIBLY common: "I could have saved her/him," "I should have done
more," "I shouldn't have been grouchy when she was in pain." This stuff is
routine, normal, and the fact that he felt guilty is hardly a sign that he
did something terrible while they were married.
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UsurperTom
> Guilt feelings at the loss of a loved one are INCREDIBLY common
Before you jump to conclusions, here's exactly what Paul said. He
explicitly said that the reason he felt guilty because he wasn't
perfect as a husband to Linda.
I DIDN'T TELL LINDA SHE WAS DYING, SAYS PAUL
last updated 17/10/98 14:04
Grieving Sir Paul McCartney has disclosed that he did not tell his wife
Linda that she was dying from cancer, even though she had only days to
live. The rock legend said: "I knew a week or so before she died. I was
the only one who knew.
"One of the doctors said she ought to be told, but I didn't want to
tell her because I didn't think she'd want to know."
The loss of his wife of 30 years has hit him so badly that he has
sought the help of a professional counsellor.
He tells the Daily Mail: "He was great, particularly in helping me get
rid of my guilt.
"Whenever anyone you care about dies, you wish you'd been perfect all
the time you were with them. I wasn't. That made me feel very guilty
after Linda died."
He went on: "The kids are a huge help, but it's still very hard. The
worst thing about losing Linda is that I enjoyed being with her so
much."
The former Beatle also disclosed how he told Linda to imagine she was
riding one of her beloved horses as she lay dying.
"I don't know how I did it. I thought afterwards, 'Why wasn't I
fainting on the floor?'
"I've thought that every day since. How am I still here? How am I
talking, eating? I just am."
© Press Association Ltd. 1998
fourflush
Bruce Mirken wrote:
> Guilt feelings at the loss of a loved one are INCREDIBLY common
Before you jump to conclusions, here's exactly what Paul said. He
explicitly said that the reason he felt guilty because he wasn't
perfect as a husband to Linda.
Which means...? Basically anyone can fill in the blanks. I think it's sad
the way some are filling them in.
Seems quite straightforward and clear to me, nothing nefarious here.
fatt...@yahoo.com
I don't want to seem mean. However, this is a message board, and it is
natural to wonder "what was he feeling guilty about?" Was it something
innocent such as "Why am I alive and why did my wife die" or was it
something more serious such as "I wish I didn't hit her or curse at her
the other day."
I believe Paul was probably a model husband, but would not be surprised
that he could "misbehave" every once in a while. He is human, after all.
TAR
>
> In re reading the quote, I guess we are jumping to conclusions . . . .
> I don't want to seem mean. However, this is a message board, and it is
> natural to wonder "what was he feeling guilty about?" Was it something
> innocent such as "Why am I alive and why did my wife die" or was it
> something more serious such as "I wish I didn't hit her or curse at her
> the other day."
I can't speak for most people here, but I can say that it wasn't natural
for me to wonder what Paul was feeling guilty about. Plus the reasons
you had suggested would have been the last ones to come to my mind.
UsurperTom
> In re reading the quote, I guess we are jumping to conclusions . . . .
"Whenever anyone you care about dies, you wish you'd been perfect all
the time you were with them. I wasn't. That made me feel very guilty
after Linda died."
What's strange about this quote is that Paul and Linda's spin machine
would have you believe that their marriage was perfect. It wasn't like
Paul claimed that the only reason he saw the therapist was because he
was devastated over the loss of his wife.
fatt...@yahoo.com
spin machine
would have you believe that their marriage was perfect. It wasn't like
Paul claimed that the only reason he saw the therapist was because he
was devastated over the loss of his wife."
Exactly.
fourflush
Like I said, quite sad.
They never said they had a *perfect* marraige. Great? Sure. I cannot
believe you two.
>
UsurperTom
> They never said they had a *perfect* marraige.
They said that they never spent a night apart other than the Japan
bust. I call that bragging.
TAR
I didn't take that as bragging. I took it as the truth. I think it's
very sweet.
UsurperTom
> I took it as the truth.
A former rmb poster who I've gotten into many flame wars with was a
diehard apologist for the McCartneys. Even that poster (whose name I
won't mention) acknowledged having inside information that Paul and
Linda had separations.
abby again
> A former rmb poster who I've gotten into many flame wars with was a
> diehard apologist for the McCartneys. Even that poster (whose name I
> won't mention) acknowledged having inside information that Paul and
> Linda had separations.
It's not a big deal. No one wants to remember the bad times. Everyone has
secrets they'd rather the world not know about.
Keith
wrote:
Wasn't that Paul's step sister ?
Keith
<sftr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>This discussion is getting silly. Guilt feelings at the loss of a loved one
>are INCREDIBLY common: "I could have saved her/him," "I should have done
>more," "I shouldn't have been grouchy when she was in pain." This stuff is
>routine, normal, and the fact that he felt guilty is hardly a sign that he
>did something terrible while they were married.
+1 - can't believe anyone needs to be convinced of that...
BlackMonk
"fourflush" <poke...@cardshark.net> wrote in message
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In fact, in an early 90s interview, Paul explicitly said that they didn't
have a perfect marriage.
uly...@mscomm.com
fabricated to me. Paul was quite close-mouthed about Linda's death and
its aftermath. He rarely discusses his feelings publicly.
Has anyone read elsewhere that he saw a counselor after Linda passed
away?
As for having a "perfect marriage," who does? I think Paul and Linda
got along better than most married people but they seemed intent on
projecting an extremely happy image. The reality was probably much less
rosey.
P Washburn
I call it the derek larson award for fabrication. Congratulations.
P Washburn
As vague as this is, I suggest there is no proof value here whatsoever.
ANYone could say the same about ANYthing.
>
Revenge of Sith
> in an early 90s interview, Paul explicitly said that they didn't have a perfect marriage.
Source, please?
UsurperTom
> I call it the derek larson award for fabrication.
I have a lot of problems with Derek Larsson.
BlackMonk
"Revenge of Sith" <reveng...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I think it was in Guitar Player. Really though, is "we don't have a perfect
marriage" such an unusual thing to say that you need to have it sourced?
uly...@mscomm.com
of the original article. So debating the statement attributed to Paul
is a waste of time. He never said any of that stuff.
UsurperTom
> The Daily Mail article is fabrication.
Are you saying that Paul was misquoted? I remember this article being
discussed in the press at the time. I don't recall anybody questioning
its authenticity.
Revenge of Sith
> is "we don't have a perfect marriage" such an unusual thing to say that you need to have it sourced?
What matters is if Paul contradicted his claim that he and Linda never
spent a night apart other than the time he was in jail in Japan. That
is the key.
globalsearch
> ...Paul admitted that
> after Linda died, he spent some time speaking with a psychotherapist
> because he felt "guilty"...
http://www.usaweekend.com/98_issues/981101/981101paul_transcript.html#coping
Excerpt from Paul's extensive interview with Chrissie Hynde in USA
Weekend:
"...I did get a counselor, realizing that I would need some sort of
help. And although it's not much of a British tradition to do that, I
was married to an American so I know quite a lot of people who have no
problem with psychiatrists and counselors. Funnily enough, Linda used
to know psychiatrists when when was young; she'd say, '"I used to sort
out all their problems for them." And you know that's true. So I knew a
particular one, who I talked to. He was a good help. It was mainly to
get rid of some of my guilt. When anyone you love this much dies, one
of the first things is that you wish you could have been perfect --
every minute of every day. But nobody's like that. I would say to Linda
if we were arguing, "Look, I'm not Jesus Christ. I'm not a saint. I'm
just some normal man. I'll try to do something about it but that's who
I am, that's who you're married to." So I had quite a bit of guilt and
probably still have. You remember arguments. When you're married you
don't remember them so much, you just get on the next day and as long
as you don't have too many and they're not too bad you figure it evens
itself out. But when someone dies, you remember only the arguments in
the first couple of weeks and the moments when I wasn't as nice as I
would have wanted to be. So I need counseling with that. I found that
really helpful..."
fatt...@yahoo.com
probably rings true for many people in mourning. Sadly, when someone
we love is alive, we tend to take them for granted. We just assume
they will be around tomorrow so we can apologize or undo our mistake.
When a loved one dies, there is tremendous finality. It is natural to
miss them. Now the living cannot always undo a past mistake or
apologize. The person is gone.
I am impressed by his honesty.
UsurperTom
> Linda used to know psychiatrists when when was young
Linda was once ordered by a judge in LA to see a psychiatrist after
being busted for pot.
Keith
Yep and that pretty much confirms the opinions voiced here by anyone
with common sense, and not those out for some trashy action with JoJo
Laine !
Rich Diakun
a decent break from the big record companies when he and John announced the
formation of Apple on The Tonight Show back in 67 or 68 or whenever?
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Homesick wrote,
>
> "Yes, despite the fact that Paul didn't know Denny or Jojo . . . in
> 1969."
>
> I don't think that is quite true . . . Denny Laine was a professional
> musician in his own right before he joined Wings. He was a member of
> the Moody Blues and other bands. I am pretty sure I read somewhere
> that Paul and Denny knew each other during the Beatle years. I don't
> know if Paul knew Jo Jo then.
>
