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rmak

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:53:07 AM11/6/09
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#28 on Amazon.com's 100 Greatest Live Albums of All Time:

http://xrl.us/100Live

lab~rat >:-)

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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:07 -0800, rmak
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>#28 on Amazon.com's 100 Greatest Live Albums of All Time:
>
>http://xrl.us/100Live

Amazon.com essential recording
The fact that Alive! is arguably Kiss's best album highlights the fact
that they are performers first, musicians second. There's nothing
wrong with that, especially when a live album sounds this good.
Stuffed to bursting with classic tracks, Alive!, originally released
in 1975, is a classic metal album. "Deuce," "Strutter," "Hotter than
Hell," "Black Diamond," "100,000 Years," and especially "Rock and Roll
All Nite" (probably the most well-known party song in
existence)--they're all here, and wonder of wonders, they still sound
fresh after all these years. The success of Kiss's 1996 tour shows
that they've still got plenty of fans; Alive! is one album no Kiss fan
should be without. --Genevieve Williams

====

My favorite album.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

TheChris

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:42:54 AM11/6/09
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"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in
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Am I the only guy that likes Alive II more? :)
I can't get past the 'non-comic book era' tunes like Strutter - Black
Diamond and 100,000 years...

Except for parts of side four, A2 is my pick!

--
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AJ

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:08:32 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 6, 11:42�am, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> "lab~rat �>:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote innews:79c8f51aqq4bhlreh...@4ax.com:


I like ALIVE II better also. A live show and studio songs in one
package. Plus it has my favorite Ace song on it, Rocket Ride.

steveh99

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:33:23 PM11/6/09
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In article <hmr8f5he2t5g528bu...@4ax.com>, HS34esd5
@gmail.com says...
> yeah, its just you ;-)

I like Alive! Too bad it was doctored up so much

TheChris

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AJ <misfits...@aol.com> wrote in
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> On Nov 6, 11:42�am, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "lab~rat �>:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote innews:79c8f51aqq4bhlreh

> 30u8718m...@4ax.com:


>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:53:07 -0800, rmak
>> > <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> puked:
>>
>> >>#28 on Amazon.com's 100 Greatest Live Albums of All Time:
>>
>> >>http://xrl.us/100Live
>>
>> > Amazon.com essential recording
>> > The fact that Alive! is arguably Kiss's best album highlights the fact
>> > that they are performers first, musicians second. There's nothing
>> > wrong with that, especially when a live album sounds this good.
>> > Stuffed to bursting with classic tracks, Alive!, originally released
>> > in 1975, is a classic metal album. "Deuce," "Strutter," "Hotter than
>> > Hell," "Black Diamond," "100,000 Years," and especially "Rock and Roll
>> > All Nite" (probably the most well-known party song in
>> > existence)--they're all here, and wonder of wonders, they still sound
>> > fresh after all these years. The success of Kiss's 1996 tour shows
>> > that they've still got plenty of fans; Alive! is one album no Kiss fan
>> > should be without. --Genevieve Williams
>>
>> > ===
>>

>> > My favorite album.
>> > --
>> > lab~rat �>:-)
>> > Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>>
>> Am I the only guy that likes Alive II more? :)
>> I can't get past the 'non-comic book era' tunes like Strutter - Black
>> Diamond and 100,000 years...
>>
>> Except for parts of side four, A2 is my pick!
>
>
> I like ALIVE II better also. A live show and studio songs in one
> package. Plus it has my favorite Ace song on it, Rocket Ride.
>
>

And that gateway picture... That's what made me want to be in a rock band! :)

AJ

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:17:15 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 6, 7:59 pm, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote innews:6bc7017e-d1b1-4789...@31g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:42 am, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote innews:79c8f51aqq4bhlreh
> > 30u8718m03h2l0...@4ax.com:

Yeah I remember opening that vinyl up for the first time and seeing
that huge stage with all the fire and everything. That was awesome.
You never saw anyone with a huge stage like that back then. Then when
the needle hit Rocket Ride it blew me away. IMO, Rocket Ride was the
heaviest KISS song up to that point. I had never heard the term
"heavy metal" or "thrash" in 1977 but if someone had asked me what
those terms meant I would imagined it was the sound of Ace's guitar in
the opening of Rocket Ride. Plus I love how Gene and Ace look on the
cover of that album. The blood and sweat on Gene on that cover
clearly stated to me back then "we don't care what you think and we
are not a safe band." If that makes any sense.

geneinstein

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Nov 7, 2009, 9:57:26 PM11/7/09
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On Nov 6, 5:53 am, rmak <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>
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> #28 on Amazon.com's 100 Greatest Live Albums of All Time:
>
> http://xrl.us/100Live

Favorite "dubbed" KIZZ live recording.

El Jefe

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Nov 7, 2009, 11:01:19 PM11/7/09
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On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:

> The blood and sweat on Gene on that cover
> clearly stated to me back then "we don't care what you think and we
> are not a safe band."  If that makes any sense.

I felt the same way when I heard "Crazy Nights" and "Forever".
Definitely not a safe band.

*cough*

El Jefe

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FVH

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:41:50 AM11/9/09
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Spoken like a true nerd. No wonder you're ashamed of yourself, Killer.
I would be ashamed too. KISS is a "safe band", you idiot. Always have
been. A gimmick, albeit a cool gimmick, doesn't mean KISS were a
"dangerous" band. It was all a marketing ploy, nothing more.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

FVH

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:44:19 AM11/9/09
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I like Alive!'s music better, but the packaging for Alive! !! was so
much better. Having said that, the cover on Alive! was 10 times better
than the crappy Alive! II cover. If you had the Alive! cover, along
with that badass Alive! II gatefold, you'd have one hell of an album/
gatefold combo.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Nov 8, 6:25 am, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> While Alive I will always hold a special place for me, I will be the
> oddball and say that "Lost Alive II" is the best live Kiss recording
> and blows away the released version. Alive III and IV ar not even
> worth discussing.
>
> db
> --
>
> Politics are like Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win,
> is not to play the game....
>
> The Many
> The Once Proud
> The KISS Marines
>
> Remember it's never to late to serve! Fight The AXIS OF SHEEPLE!

lab~rat >:-)

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:12:32 AM11/9/09
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC), TheChris
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> puked:

Not so much.

lab~rat >:-)

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:13:30 AM11/9/09
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:17:15 -0800 (PST), AJ <misfits...@aol.com>
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>> > I like ALIVE II better also. ÔøΩA live show and studio songs in one
>> > package. ÔøΩPlus it has my favorite Ace song on it, Rocket Ride.


>>
>> And that gateway picture... That's what made me want to be in a rock band! :)
>
>Yeah I remember opening that vinyl up for the first time and seeing
>that huge stage with all the fire and everything. That was awesome.
>You never saw anyone with a huge stage like that back then. Then when
>the needle hit Rocket Ride it blew me away. IMO, Rocket Ride was the
>heaviest KISS song up to that point.

Heavier than Parasite?

lab~rat >:-)

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:14:36 AM11/9/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:44:19 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
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>I like Alive!'s music better, but the packaging for Alive! !! was so
>much better. Having said that, the cover on Alive! was 10 times better
>than the crappy Alive! II cover. If you had the Alive! cover, along
>with that badass Alive! II gatefold, you'd have one hell of an album/
>gatefold combo.

Well if you're going with appearances, Love Gun had the most chicks on
it...

TheChris

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Nov 9, 2009, 3:50:23 PM11/9/09
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FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f05ce794-6e05-43fd...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

> I like Alive!'s music better, but the packaging for Alive! !! was so
> much better. Having said that, the cover on Alive! was 10 times better
> than the crappy Alive! II cover. If you had the Alive! cover, along
> with that badass Alive! II gatefold, you'd have one hell of an album/
> gatefold combo.
>
> FVH

>

The cover to Alive looks so cheezy to me... For an 'arena' band - they're all
clumped together like they're on a sound stage..

Granted, the A2 cover is pretty bad, but, that gatefold :)

TheChris

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Nov 10, 2009, 8:48:42 AM11/10/09
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themeeksh...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss) wrote in
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> While Alive I will always hold a special place for me, I will be the
> oddball and say that "Lost Alive II" is the best live Kiss recording
> and blows away the released version. Alive III and IV ar not even
> worth discussing.
>
> db
>

I remember getting Lost Alive II and liking it...

Been a while since I've heard it..

FVH

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Nov 10, 2009, 8:30:28 PM11/10/09
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LOL! I like that cover as well. However, I don't like the Destroyer
cover. To each their own.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

FVH

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Nov 10, 2009, 8:32:31 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 9, 2:50 pm, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> The cover to Alive looks so cheezy to me... For an 'arena' band - they're all clumped together like they're on a sound stage..

True, but the intent is there, and I love each member's poses on that
cover.

> Granted, the A2 cover is pretty bad, but, that gatefold :)

That gatefold should have been the cover for A2. But, again, the
intent was to open the gatefold and see that awesome shot!

lab~rat >:-)

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:32:31 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
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>On Nov 9, 2:50ÔøΩpm, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The cover to Alive looks so cheezy to me... For an 'arena' band - they're all clumped together like they're on a sound stage..
>
>True, but the intent is there, and I love each member's poses on that
>cover.
>
>> Granted, the A2 cover is pretty bad, but, that gatefold :)
>
>That gatefold should have been the cover for A2. But, again, the
>intent was to open the gatefold and see that awesome shot!

I'm fine with Alive II. I think it was an attempt to further
establish the four characters...

FVH

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Nov 11, 2009, 3:53:47 PM11/11/09
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That's a good point. And with Dynasty, it confirmed that KISS was
nothing more than a cartoon band at that point. Granted, I love that
album and the Dynasty look, but it was kid friendly at that point.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

lab~rat >:-)

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:53:47 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
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>That's a good point. And with Dynasty, it confirmed that KISS was


>nothing more than a cartoon band at that point. Granted, I love that
>album and the Dynasty look, but it was kid friendly at that point.

KISS has always been a cartoon band to some extent. Their show is an
over the top parody of a rock concert, collecting elements from a
hundred different individual shows and combining them in a single
spectacle.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

TheChris

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"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in
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I embraced the whole comic book thing.. To me, when they took pictures
off the covers, and put drawings on - was when it started to click..

But, that's just me..

lab~rat >:-)

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:11:25 +0000 (UTC), TheChris
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>"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in

>news:hc0of5tres4hioubq...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:53:47 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
>> puked:
>>
>>>That's a good point. And with Dynasty, it confirmed that KISS was
>>>nothing more than a cartoon band at that point. Granted, I love that
>>>album and the Dynasty look, but it was kid friendly at that point.
>>
>> KISS has always been a cartoon band to some extent. Their show is an
>> over the top parody of a rock concert, collecting elements from a
>> hundred different individual shows and combining them in a single
>> spectacle.
>>
>> Not that there's anything wrong with that...
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>>
>
>I embraced the whole comic book thing.. To me, when they took pictures
>off the covers, and put drawings on - was when it started to click..
>
>But, that's just me..

Arguably the pictures are cartoony as well...

FVH

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Nov 12, 2009, 2:26:49 PM11/12/09
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Very true. But the band didn't embrace that they were a cartoon band
until 1979. Even with the "blood" in the comic book bit they were
still trying to portray themselves as "mean, tough, unsafe, and
dirty". By Dynasty (probably more like with that "movie") they were
catering more to kids and no longer cared about being "unsafe". Of
course we all know how that all played out.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

FVH

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Nov 12, 2009, 2:30:17 PM11/12/09
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I don't mind the comic book image, although comic books aren't my
thing. It makes sense for KISS to evolve into a comic book/cartoon
band. That was going to happen regardless if they, or the fans. wanted
that to happen. When they became a "kiddie" band, that's when they
started to lose their core audience. That, and the core audience were
no longer teenagers.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Nov 12, 7:11 am, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> I embraced the whole comic book thing.. To me, when they took pictures
> off the covers, and put drawings on - was when it started to click..
>
> But, that's just me..
>
> --

> Christopher Bellhttp://www.myspacecom/bellboudreaux

lab~rat >:-)

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:30:17 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
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>I don't mind the comic book image, although comic books aren't my


>thing. It makes sense for KISS to evolve into a comic book/cartoon
>band. That was going to happen regardless if they, or the fans. wanted
>that to happen. When they became a "kiddie" band, that's when they
>started to lose their core audience. That, and the core audience were
>no longer teenagers.

I got into KISS when I was 12 or 13, arguably a kid. And that was
back around 77 or 78. I guess I saw them as a kiddie band without
knowing it.

But to underscore your point, I've been dubbing a bunch of old videos
and came across a part of my boy when he was two or three banging on a
lunch box with a drumstick singing Rock & Roll all Nite...

lab~rat >:-)

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:26:49 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
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>Very true. But the band didn't embrace that they were a cartoon band


>until 1979. Even with the "blood" in the comic book bit they were
>still trying to portray themselves as "mean, tough, unsafe, and
>dirty". By Dynasty (probably more like with that "movie") they were
>catering more to kids and no longer cared about being "unsafe". Of
>course we all know how that all played out.

The movie was the turning point...

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