I downloaded a couple .WAV files from this site. This guy totally
sucks! No wonder I've never heard of him.... In fact, Euphoria is
the worst solo/lead I've ever heard. Not musical at all!!!!!!!!
Try these sites if you want the best guitarists....
http://www.megalink.net/impellitteri/imptwo.htm
or
http://www.lewisentertainment.com/yngwie/ym_home.htm
Oh great! Just what we need. ..more fuel for the 80's comeback. I suppose
Mark Slaughter will be posing with him as well.
kh
>kh
I hope somebody told V.V. that spandex ain't cool anymore, and pointy
pink guitars are WAY out of style. Maybe he can do a duel solo
(standing back-to-back in cheesy metal fashion) with C.C. Deville from
Poison.
>Doug Cataldo (inva...@anv.net) wrote:
>: After an eight year absence, Vinnie Vincent, the shred master is back!!
>: With a new album,'GUITARMAGEDDON' & with the Vinnie Vincent Homepage,
>: check it out the address is below!
>: --
>: ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
>: At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
>: http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
>Oh great! Just what we need. ..more fuel for the 80's comeback. I suppose
>Mark Slaughter will be posing with him as well.
>kh
I don't believe that someone actually let Vinnie Vincent record
another record. He's crap, and I don't think that you needed to every
single music newsgroup about it. Kiss and everything that has to do
with them is CRAP!
>Doug Cataldo <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>>After an eight year absence, Vinnie Vincent, the shred master is back!!
>>With a new album,'GUITARMAGEDDON' & with the Vinnie Vincent Homepage,
>>check it out the address is below!
>>--
>> ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
>> At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
>>http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
>I downloaded a couple .WAV files from this site. This guy totally
>sucks! No wonder I've never heard of him.... In fact, Euphoria is
>the worst solo/lead I've ever heard. Not musical at all!!!!!!!!
>Try these sites if you want the best guitarists....
>http://www.megalink.net/impellitteri/imptwo.htm
>or
>http://www.lewisentertainment.com/yngwie/ym_home.htm
You are trying to tell me that Impellitteri and Malmsteen are better
that Vinnie? Please. I have seen Malmsteen and I have seen Vinnie.
They are about as equal as metal guitarists get. Malmsteen has always
had that classical thing, and Vinnie is more straight forward metal.
Maybe you can't keep up with so many notes flying by and you missed
the melody.
Steve
: >After an eight year absence, Vinnie Vincent, the shred master is back!!
: >With a new album,'GUITARMAGEDDON' & with the Vinnie Vincent Homepage,
: >check it out the address is below!
: >--
: > ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
: > At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
: >http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
: I downloaded a couple .WAV files from this site. This guy totally
: sucks! No wonder I've never heard of him.... In fact, Euphoria is
: the worst solo/lead I've ever heard. Not musical at all!!!!!!!!
: Try these sites if you want the best guitarists....
: http://www.megalink.net/impellitteri/imptwo.htm
: or
: http://www.lewisentertainment.com/yngwie/ym_home.htm
Yaaaaaaahhhhhhhhooooooooooooo
Vinnie Vincent WAS an Influence for me in my teens!!
I am really happy
Boyz are gonna rock!!!!
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Well, some musicans can play fast, and with taste, while maintaining
the melody. . .one being John McGlaughlin, or Tal Farlow, or Al DiMeola,
or Jim Hall, or. ..well the list goes on of those who don't use
massive amounts of gain and distortion to make it easy to power pick
and move their left hand as fast as possible - any idiot can do this.
But to do it with class, while being in control of every note, is
a whole different league of guitar playing.
kh
: >Doug Cataldo (inva...@anv.net) wrote:
: >: After an eight year absence, Vinnie Vincent, the shred master is back!!
: >: With a new album,'GUITARMAGEDDON' & with the Vinnie Vincent Homepage,
: >: check it out the address is below!
: >: --
: >: ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
: >: At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
: >: http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
Just an note: I did not write the above. . , but the the two
sentences below.
: >Oh great! Just what we need. ..more fuel for the 80's comeback. I suppose
: >Mark Slaughter will be posing with him as well.
: >kh
: I hope somebody told V.V. that spandex ain't cool anymore, and pointy
: pink guitars are WAY out of style. Maybe he can do a duel solo
: (standing back-to-back in cheesy metal fashion) with C.C. Deville from
: Poison.
I bet he puts on that pretty blue eye shadow and eye liner to
accentuate his beautuful buffont hair do. . .
kh
Heh!! Don't forget bassman Dana Strum ;)
: Heh!! Don't forget bassman Dana Strum ;)
A female transfestite?
kh
I think that possibly Gene saw Vinnie as his replacement for ugliest band
member....ooooh this guy is very scary to look at. I have yet to see
this awesome Vinnie shred bullshit...he frankly puts me to sleep.
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>dal...@cts.com (Duane Allred) wrote:
>>Doug Cataldo <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>>>After an eight year absence, Vinnie Vincent, the shred master is back!!
>>>With a new album,'GUITARMAGEDDON' & with the Vinnie Vincent Homepage,
>>>check it out the address is below!
>>>--
>>> ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
>>> At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
>>>http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
>>I downloaded a couple .WAV files from this site. This guy totally
>>sucks! No wonder I've never heard of him.... In fact, Euphoria is
>>the worst solo/lead I've ever heard. Not musical at all!!!!!!!!
>>Try these sites if you want the best guitarists....
>>http://www.megalink.net/impellitteri/imptwo.htm
>>or
>>http://www.lewisentertainment.com/yngwie/ym_home.htm
>You are trying to tell me that Impellitteri and Malmsteen are better
>that Vinnie? Please. I have seen Malmsteen and I have seen Vinnie.
>They are about as equal as metal guitarists get. Malmsteen has always
>had that classical thing, and Vinnie is more straight forward metal.
>Maybe you can't keep up with so many notes flying by and you missed
>the melody.
>Steve
Beside the fact that Vinnie Vincent isn't the greatest guitar player
in the world, he is also the biggest asshole. I really like the band
Slaughter and I commend Mark Slaughter and Dana Strumm for creating a
new band after Vinnie Vincent. The fact that Vinnie Vincent had them
buy out their contract was probably just an ego trip that he might
have unwillingly inherited from Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley.
Mike
: >dal...@cts.com (Duane Allred) wrote:
: >>Doug Cataldo <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
: Mike
To all the stupid people that hates the '80's music and now offend it
I know for sure that they were listening to it some years ago. Any case, if they weren't they are teen agers now so they all are part of a TREND and they followmasses and what somebody says'em to listen! In the '80's music WAS like so.
It is stupid just to not take it for what it WAS. Anyway in my opinion
nowadays the new kind of music is so obnoxious and silly and simple that
I can't stand anymore American and English music. So I listen to Swedish music.
Bad Habit.
Glory.
Talisman. This are Bands for the new 90's!
Actually, I decided to listen to COTN the other day just to HEAR what
they MADE him do on the record. VV= Boring... The solo's were just BAD
attepts to be ACE... So I think you're right, he should go back and
LISTEN to some stuff that might help his phrasing.. to me he just wanks
off and says nothing but: "gee look how fast I can go and say NOTHING!"
;)
--
Mark Perillo
KISS TABS Homepage - The BEST KISS Tablature On The Net
KISS TABS: http://www.cloud9.net/~mperillo/welcome.htm
he couldn't get a deal so he started his own label.........
what a joke.
-Doug
> Who cares about Vinnie fucking Vincent? He sucks ass.
>
$immons
-- Vinnie Vincent is so far up him/herself (yes i believe he pitches for the
other team), the guy may be able to play some hot licks, and co-write some semi
decent tunes, but he is a complete knobhead.
He fired the original vocalist in his band to replace him with Mark Slaughter,
and then Mark Slaughter and Dana Strum realized what Gene Simmons and Paul
Stanley had found out a few years previous, "THE FAGGOT HAS AN EGO SO BAD, THEY
COULDN'T CONTAIN IT AT WEMBLEY STADIUM"
--
TWODOGS IN OZ (minus the tin man etc.)
I am the first to agree that I don't like all of Ace's solo recording,
there are things I like on each record, but NOT every record is 100%
great. I think taht would be pushing it a bit... BUT As for Vinnie
Vincent, his playing is emotionless, speed for the skake of speed, and
is just their to do guitar gymnastics. There is not style or grace in
his playing, it is all out guitar pyrotechnics... There are other out
there who are similiar (especially in the 80's) and do it better. A joe
Stariani he is not, he is neither a Steve Vai. He is in a league where
his peers destroy him.
Now as far as KISS goes, he never fit. He was the worst guitarist KISS
ever had. He couldn't hack being there, that is why he quit/got fired
whatever from KISS. Listen to COTN, if he is SO good, why couldn't he
cop Ace's feel??? Technique is all well and good for some people. Some
guitarists can use it and sound good, other just play to show "oh look
how fast I can play this myxolydian run!!! Check out this ultra-fast
sweep picking stuff". It's all BULLSHIT. VV is in the second category,
he WILL NOT be remembered for anything. As bad as Ace's records can be
at times, he is STILL going to be remembered as a founding member of
KISS and a person who inspired MANY guitarists to pick up their
instruments and play. You can't say the same for VV or any of his
records with or without KISS. In the 80's his invasion was a joke,
everyone laughed at his PINK hair and guitars. Guitar players don't take
him seriously and music listeneres can't deal with his overplaying. So
as far as influence in music, Ace will be remembered and Vinne won't.
Don't get me wrong everyone has flaws, I'm sure you think Vinnie is
better than Hendrix or Van Halen.... Unfortunately, history will tell
you why you are wrong. Technique doesn't equate with better guitar
playing. Is Vinnie better than BB King???? Is he better than Scotty
Moore?? Is he better than Stariani?? Is he better than Steve Vai??
Obvisouly some of those artists make different music, some have Great
technique, some just are down home root players who have a special
something that sets them apart. Will Vinnie leave a mark on the music
world??? No.. because he is really a guitar player who has lots of
technique, but no way to control it and make it FEEL right..
He is trying to ride on the current wave of KISS popularity to help his
career. Why has he dressed up in KISS makeup recently after ALL these
years?? That wasn't a calculated move eh??? No..... If he is such a
find, why has it been 8 years since a record??? At least Ace had a
record in the 90's... Albeit not a GREAT record, BUT it was out...
Obviously you are getting flamed because KISS fans are die-hard and
posting this in a KISS newsgroup will get you flamed by die-hard KISS
fans. Since Vinnie Is not their favorite guitarist...
My choice is to voice my opinions....
I agree, most speed freaks are nothing but noise. It takes a certain
player to play that style with finesse and emotion.... VV not being one
of them ;) hehe
80's Rock.. Unfortunately was full of spandex, puffed hair and speedy
guitar playing with no taste. Unfortunately, there was NOTHING else to
listen to in mainstream rock. Some of the stuff was ok, Like Skid Rows
1st record, Guns n' Roses 1st record, etc.... But most is just as
forgettable as the pop of the time... I think some of today's music will
be remembered while all the wanna-be bands who jumped on this bandwagon
(like their 80's predecessors) will fade away and be a joke.... just how
the music biz works..
> Who cares about Vinnie fucking Vincent? He sucks ass.
He's doing better than a lot of people on this newsgroup...
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melissa
What's wrong with starting his own label - it's better than being a
corporate puppet.
>On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Johnny Crunch wrote:
>> Who cares about Vinnie fucking Vincent? He sucks ass.
>He's doing better than a lot of people on this newsgroup...
How do you know? He could have been ridin' the back of a garbage
truck for the last couple of years, for all we know. Who knows what
happens to the has-beens of the entertainment business? Not that I
wish him ill will, but I hope that the kind of music that he played in
the '80s stays dead, and so do a lot of people (unless they're like
foreign, and five or six years behind everybody, or still into spandex
and just don't have a fuckin' clue. My last guitar teacher was like
that. Great teacher, but wrapped up in that 80s shit. Could play
sweep arpeggios around anybody, but who really does that cliched shred
shit anymore, anyway? Oh yeah, the Yngvie Malmsteens and Chris
Impellitterris, that's who. Who has the fucking time to sit in their
room and practice scales until they can play sixteenth notes at 180
b.p.m.? And I'm no slacker fucking punk rock geek slob either. I can
hold my own in just about any damn musical situation, and I can write
a decent tune too, when I get a little inspiration. So unless V.V.
has totally changed his act, I don't wanna hear about it.
> Why is everybody so down on Vinnie? You don't have to listen to him!
>Obviously, somebody does...they wouldn't have released an album of his
>music if nobody was interested.
> And who cares about what color his guitar is or how his hair is
>styled?! There are going to be a lot of people ragging Pearl Jam and
>Alanis in a few years!
In a few years? I never liked Pearl Jam or Alanis! They both are
boring slop! That's just my opinion so don't tell me that I'm wrong!
jeff
Do you think Nicolo' Paganini andd Bach and Vivaldi didn't play their
scales? They were goo at playin' sales and arpeggios in 32th at 144
an they can write ddecent tunes better than yours.
Vinnie Vincent only plays fast but, at least, he definitely can play.
Sure they played their scales, but they didn't slow down the tape and
play a solo over it just so it would sound faster. That is more than I
can say for Mr (or is it Mrs.) Vincent. When you're that caught up in
playing fast, then there must be something missing from your playing
(soul and passion perhaps??).
Greg
: To all the stupid people that hates the '80's music and now offend it
: I know for sure that they were listening to it some years ago. Any case,
: if they weren't they are teen agers now so they all are part of a TREND
: and they followmasses and what somebody says'em to listen! In the '80's music WAS like so.
: It is stupid just to not take it for what it WAS. Anyway in my opinion
: nowadays the new kind of music is so obnoxious and silly and simple that
: I can't stand anymore American and English music. So I listen to Swedish music.
: Bad Habit.
: Glory.
: Talisman. This are Bands for the new 90's!
When I was 3 years old I listened to nursery
rhymes. At some point in time we have to move on to bigger and
better things. Heavy Metal is no exception. This genre does
have a function, viz., to cultivate the more basic and
aggressive emotions in the youth. Some people just never
acquire the sense to appreciate the subtlty exhibited by
styles of music like jazz and classical, etc. Art can
never be forced down someones's throat at 120 dbs, with
blaring, distorted guitars, vocalists screaming, and drums
pounding. Heavy Metal obtains it favor by high volume,
provocative lyrics, and theatrics. Jazz and classical
will always be popular. Heavy metal will phase in and
out at the whim of adolescent desires.
kh
-Doug
>great. I think taht would be pushing it a bit... BUT As for Vinnie
>Vincent, his playing is emotionless, speed for the skake of speed, and
There's none more emotionless that Bruce Kulick, as one concert review
said "He has the personality of a plank of wood"
>He's doing better than a lot of people on this newsgroup.
I have yet to file for bankruptcy so I would have to dispute
that..........
>In case anyone is questioning the ability of Vinnie Vincent, remember
>he was hired to replace Ace Frehley in KISS. I'm not slamming Ace,
>he's the reason I started playing guiter, but alot of what he played
>is very bluesbased, kinda like Page, and Vinnie couldn't cut it.
Yeah Right! Vinnie grew up in a home that played country and blues.
If you listen to"Ya Know I'm Pretty Shot" an acoustic jam on the All
Systems Go Cd you'd know this. If Vinnie couldn't cut it in Kiss, then
why did ALL guitarists that followed him use HIS arrangements on the
songs that Ace originally played on? Page is an influence on Vinnie
but Vinnie doesn't copy his licks. Most Kiss songs are Zeppelin riffs
or The Who riffs backwards or rearranged. Get a clue
I actually recorded with the fellow in early '88. He does slow the
tape down, pigfucker.
He can play and has created new scales that most guitarists can't
>dream of.
created new scales? i doubt it..
He can play every one of his solos live. At least he can do
>that, he didn't have to learn his own solos from a Tribute band member.
>This is getting so old but I feel compelled to answer all these as I
>maintain his web page. If you don't like his music, fine. You can't
>knock his guitar skills. It's like saying Dennis Rodman sucks at basket
>ball because he doesn't score 30 points a game.
Vinnie has his own
>unique style like it or not.
His style consists of blowing me every night while i hum a tune.
>-Doug
>--
> ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
> At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
>http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
you are part of the vinnie vincent fandom and you expect ANYONE
to take you seriousely? go back to the eighties with your big
hair and parachute pants.
love me
> >In case anyone is questioning the ability of Vinnie Vincent, remember
> >he was hired to replace Ace Frehley in KISS. I'm not slamming Ace,
> >he's the reason I started playing guiter, but alot of what he played
> >is very bluesbased, kinda like Page, and Vinnie couldn't cut it.
>
>
> Yeah Right! Vinnie grew up in a home that played country and blues.
Was it this same home that inspired the pink hair/amps/guitars, etc?
Wonder what his siblings are like.....
> If you listen to"Ya Know I'm Pretty Shot" an acoustic jam on the All
> Systems Go Cd you'd know this.
All the Scorpions' songs are sung in English. Does this mean that Klaus
Meine was raised in a non-German-speaking home?
> If Vinnie couldn't cut it in Kiss, then
> why did ALL guitarists that followed him use HIS arrangements on the
> songs that Ace originally played on?
Like you know.
> Most Kiss songs are Zeppelin riffs
> or The Who riffs backwards or rearranged.
See previous comment.
> Get a clue.
>
If the platform boot fits, .........
cjpmurphy
yeah, but you obviously have more sense than the rest of the stupid-ass
american public.
Except that nobody *would* be interested if his former bandmates weren't
reuniting with his predecessor.
Andrew
>dal...@cts.com (Duane Allred) wrote:
>>Doug Cataldo <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>>>After an eight year absence, Vinnie Vincent, the shred master is back!!
>>>With a new album,'GUITARMAGEDDON' & with the Vinnie Vincent Homepage,
>>>check it out the address is below!
>>>--
>>> ***Experience Guitarmageddon***
>>> At the Vinnie Vincent Hompage
>>>http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
>>I downloaded a couple .WAV files from this site. This guy totally
>>sucks! No wonder I've never heard of him.... In fact, Euphoria is
>>the worst solo/lead I've ever heard. Not musical at all!!!!!!!!
>>Try these sites if you want the best guitarists....
>>http://www.megalink.net/impellitteri/imptwo.htm
>>or
>>http://www.lewisentertainment.com/yngwie/ym_home.htm
>You are trying to tell me that Impellitteri and Malmsteen are better
>that Vinnie? Please. I have seen Malmsteen and I have seen Vinnie.
>They are about as equal as metal guitarists get. Malmsteen has always
>had that classical thing, and Vinnie is more straight forward metal.
>Maybe you can't keep up with so many notes flying by and you missed
>the melody.
>Steve
What a stupid thing to say.....I would say the hardly anyone who like
Vinnie does not also like KISS.....Vinnie's fan base without KISSfans
would be about zero. And people do not dislike hime because he replaced
ACE. They dislike him for how he has treated fans over the years. You
live in a strange world dude......very strange.
>80's Rock.. Unfortunately was full of spandex, puffed hair and speedy
>guitar playing with no taste.
90's Rock...Unfortunately it is full of people wearing jeans and
flannels 20 sizes larger than normal, uncombed dirty hair, and slow
> Could play
>sweep arpeggios around anybody, but who really does that cliched shred
>shit anymore, anyway? Oh yeah, the Yngvie Malmsteens and Chris
>Impellitterris, that's who. Who has the fucking time to sit in their
>room and practice scales until they can play sixteenth notes at 180
>b.p.m.?
It's people that you that concluded that FAST=BAD and now playing fast
is damned throughout the whole guitar playing universe because it's
trendy. What really pisses me off is that even if you play fast
sometimes you still get pigeonholed as a wanker. Steve Vai doesn't
always play fast, neither does John Petrucci or even Yngwie sometimes.
But they still get shot down by guitar magazines and you people
because you have a problem with long hair and their clothing attire
because it's not cool. Who cares what the fuck they wear anyways?
iHahaaahahahahahah! Created new scales that guitarists can't dream of?
Has Vinnie Vincent entered the realm of sub-microtonal music? I think not.
Ever heard the phrase "there is nothing new under the sun?"
Ace is heavily Page influenced. Check out the end of Rocket Ride.
That sounds exactly like something Page could've done in the middle
Heartbreaker. They both have that jerky style that identifies them.
As far as Ace is concerned, I think he gets that jerky sound because
he picks with his arm instead of his wrist. Has anyone noticed that?
He plays with his forearm while keeping a stiff wrist much of the
time. Kinda the hard way to go about it, but everybody develops their
own style. He'll never be a speed demon with that style though - not
that it matters.
>Most Kiss songs are Zeppelin riffs
>or The Who riffs backwards or rearranged. Get a clue
Most everybody's songs are Zeppelin or The Who or The Stones rearranged.
BDG
I could care less who replaced ACE. The fact is that I don't LIKE VV's
playing. To me, his playing does nothing for me. I really don't enjoy
listenibg to guitar gymnastics.
--
Mark Perillo
KISS TABS Homepage - The BEST KISS Tablature On The Net
KISS TABS: http://www.cloud9.net/~mperillo/welcome.htm
>Most everybody's songs are Zeppelin or The Who or The Stones rearranged.
Most Zeppelin and Stones songs are old blues tunes ripped off and
rearranged.
I give The WHO credit for being the most original of the 3...............
I believe slow or fast you can play with taste. Most of the faster
players of the 80's lacked taste. They were ALL technique and no soul.
I can deal with Steve Vai, Satriani and a few others who play fast at
times but do it with taste..
--
Mark Perillo
KISS TABS Homepage - The BEST KISS Tablature On The Net!
http://www.cloud9.net/~mperillo/welcome.htm
You guys really over-complicate things. I just use *one* scale:
the chromatic scale. I just happen to leave out some of the notes
depending on how I'm feeling.
--
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Chris cth...@cldx.com
Yup.. I agree.. Ace's style is very in tune with pages... obviously he
was influenced by Led Zep... But he puts his own twist on it, which is
what makes him a good guitarist, it's not merely copy-cat playing...
>
> >Most Kiss songs are Zeppelin riffs
> >or The Who riffs backwards or rearranged. Get a clue
>
> Most everybody's songs are Zeppelin or The Who or The Stones rearranged.
Yup.. every song has already been written...
Well I can deal a bit more with the current music scene. It's guitar
oriented, which I like, and there is ALOT of good material coming out
from: Live, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden etc... Much better than lets
say: Firehouse, Poison, Winger, Warrant etc, just to name a few of the
hair-spray bands of the 80's that we kinda has NO choice to listen to
unless you listened to Top 40 or Harder Metal..
Everyone's music taste is different, and that is fine. I can listen to
Jazz, Country, etc etc.. as long as the song is good, I can listen to
it! But I'm a guitarist, so taht might make it easier for me. Your
definition of Heavy Metal can be different alos, some call KISS metal, I
call it Rock N Roll... I think rock will always be around in some form
or another.... it was blues, then it evolved into to harder and harder
rock...
: You guys really over-complicate things. I just use *one* scale:
: the chromatic scale. I just happen to leave out some of the notes
: depending on how I'm feeling.
You're really cutting edge!
Are you familiar with sarcasm?
--
der.
----------------------
Viva Courtney Stewart!
Obviously thsi guy has NO idea about guitar playing.. 12 notes.. that's
it.. heheh talk about someone who won't give up ;)
: You guys really over-complicate things. I just use *one* scale:
: the chromatic scale. I just happen to leave out some of the notes
: depending on how I'm feeling.
"Powwwwwwdered Toooooooaaaast Maaaaan! Why, don't you know that
kids can't fly?"
And it gets worse. . .the semi-tone scale!
And Westerners think they have it bad. . .
kh
But you know what is interesting about this theory is that people did not
despise ERic Carr for replacing Peter Criss. To the contrary, he was loved.
[snip]
: Some people just never acquire the sense to appreciate the subtlty
: exhibited by styles of music like jazz and classical, etc.
Careful! Creating an if-and-only-if relationship between "sense" (what's
that?) and liking jazz and classical can get you in trouble; that's just
as closed-minded as the idea that all jazz musicians are too wrapped up
in theory to actually write from the soul, or that all classical music
is based on harmonic minors, diminished chords, and V7 -> i (e.g. Ab7 ->
C#m) cadences. Well, maybe not quite as closed-minded...
To be sure, many people probably haven't really given jazz, classical, etc.
a long-enough listening to speak authoritatively on it. They've opted not
to make the effort, and their naivete can be annoying. But I assure you
that jazz and classical (and others) are not the genres for everyone.
I've listened to, studied, and played enough jazz to be pretty sure that
it's not my favorite gig. But I also have the sense (!) to realize that
jazz is more than a bunch of pompous arses spouting off about mixo-flat-9-
flat-13 scales, although at times my professors made it feel that way.
So, is this a "more open-minded than thou" post? It's not supposed to be.
Just remember that when someone goes on and on about how White Lion rocks
and that weenie jazz stuff sucks, well, they look like a fool without anyone
else having to say a word.
Cheers,
Well, lemme see here...
60's rock: Page is sloppy; Hendrix was out of tune and
too stoned; Beatles just stole 50's American black music, blah, blah.
70's rock: disco; commercialization; stadium concerts; too much self-indulgent
soloing, blah, blah.
Jesus H. Christ, are you folks really musicians?
Ok Ok you boys gotta listen to me now..
we are arrived to the point where all the people who love VVincent are gonna buyhis latest CD and all the people who love to be trendy GOTTA buy the
latest album from Foo Fighters (nirvana recycle).
Period.
: Well, lemme see here...
: 60's rock: Page is sloppy; Hendrix was out of tune and
: too stoned; Beatles just stole 50's American black music, blah, blah.
: 70's rock: disco; commercialization; stadium concerts; too much self-indulgent
: soloing, blah, blah.
: Jesus H. Christ, are you folks really musicians?
It's debateable for some. . .moreover, don't forget the jazzers
who have been lingering in the background through these decades
of pop music. ..
kh
Whoa, stop the presses!
Jesus has a middle name?
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> But you know what is interesting about this theory is that people did not
> despise ERic Carr for replacing Peter Criss. To the contrary, he was loved.
True, but that's probably due to the fact that Peter wasn't that big of a
hero compared to Ace. Ace had more of an impact on Kiss fans that Peter did.
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HAHA, I can't believe you actually expect up to believe your total crap. First of all, guitar knowledege is
worthless if you don't use it correctly. Look at Yngwie Malmsteen and Vinnie Moore, I know they both have much
guitar knowledge, but look where its got them. I'm not saying its bad to have guitar knowledge because great
guitarists like Randy Rhoades and Steve Vai have put it to great use. Second of all, how the hell do you even
know if Vinnie has more guitar knowledge than Bruce? You have no idea but you are acting like you do. Third
of all, you say that Vinnie us far beyond both Bruce and Ace in skills.....why don't tell me what the hell that
means. If your point is that Vinnie can do two handed behind the back tapping better than either Bruce or Ace,
who the hell cares? Bruce is an extremely skilled guitar player and so is Ace, and they both know there skills
well and know how to use their skills well. Vinnie on the other hand thinks that he has more skills than he
really does, and TRIES to blow other guitarists away by playing fast and with no feel whatsoever. I'm not
saying your wrong for liking Vinnie, personally I hate all his solo stuff but I enjoy some of his solos on both
Creatures and Lick It Up, and think that he definitly has talent as a songwriter if Gene and Paul are there to
guide him. But the point is that you are wrong for trying to state opinions that are wrong and misleading and
state them as facts.
Vinnie Vincent created the "Instant Replay" scale!
I prefer to invoke the name of "Adolph Hitler" or "Mao Se Tung" when I
am upset. Example: "Adolph Hitler, are you folks really musicians?!"
> who the hell is Vinnie Vincent?
>
A great guitar player/songwriter who is best known for his stay in Kiss,
and his own project Vinnie Vincent Invasion.
You are light years away from being a true Kiss fan Doug; VV was with
Kiss a short time, had it not been for Ace VV wouldnt be talked about
EVER
: Whoa, stop the presses!
: Jesus has a middle name?
Yup. It's Haploid. Ask a bio major if you don't get the joke.
Dave
(not a bio major)
dsh...@future.uswc.uswest.com
Stop the presses once again!
Jesus Christ doesn't have a last name? Think about that for a minute.
>You are light years away from being a true Kiss fan Doug; VV was with
>Kiss a short time, had it not been for Ace VV wouldnt be talked about
>EVER
Steven,
You are so right I have no choice but to agree with you on all counts.
I USED to idolize this band known as Ki$$, now after many years of
being a fan a lot of instances have caused me to sway my judgement.
Without Ace there would be no Vinnie Vincent, only Vincent Cusano. For
this I am thankful. But, there are far many other reasons I no longer
feel the same way. I'd be happy to tell you why but not on this
newsgroup where it is public domian.
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Almost 50 replies, and almost 50 people hate the faggot, you must really love
the poofter, coz you're the only one giving him any kind of credit.
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Of course he loves him...Vinnie is his boss. Seriously, somebody
out there likes Vinnie Vincent. It's a big rock we live on you know.
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Christ is a designation, not a last name. Think about that for a minute.
Sorry for the tangent........
>>You are light years away from being a true Kiss fan Doug; VV was with
>>Kiss a short time, had it not been for Ace VV wouldnt be talked about
>>EVER
>But, there are far many other reasons I no longer
>feel the same way. I'd be happy to tell you why but not on this
>newsgroup where it is public domian.
You mean where folks can challenge you....
BDG(just trying to help out)
>You are light years away from being a true Kiss fan Doug; VV was with
>Kiss a short time, had it not been for Ace VV wouldnt be talked about
>EVER
I think I'd have to agree with you on that one. If it wasn't for
KISS, there probably wouldn't have been an Invasion. If it wasn't for
Invasion, there wouldn't have been money for his own label. If it
wasn't for his own label, there wouldn't have been a $20 ep. Ergo, if
it wasn't for KISS, there wouldn't have been an ep. Simple algebra.
Catch ya later Melissa
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>I HAVE VV'S BANKRUPTCY HEARINGS ON AUDIO IF INTERESTED....
NO SHIT!!! THAT'S TOO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I wouldn't mind getting a hold of THAT stuff....
check my list of bootlegs at
www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/2774
In article <4vat0a$q...@raven.eva.net>, inva...@anv.net says:
>
>
>
>>You are light years away from being a true Kiss fan Doug; VV was with
>>Kiss a short time, had it not been for Ace VV wouldnt be talked about
>>EVER
>
>Steven,
>
>You are so right I have no choice but to agree with you on all counts.
>I USED to idolize this band known as Ki$$, now after many years of
>being a fan a lot of instances have caused me to sway my judgement.
>Without Ace there would be no Vinnie Vincent, only Vincent Cusano. For
>this I am thankful. But, there are far many other reasons I no longer
>feel the same way. I'd be happy to tell you why but not on this
>newsgroup where it is public domian.
>
>
And if you don't think THEIR songs were re-arranged pre-existing material
also, you're smoking potatoes.
-=-C.Z.
>
> I think I'd have to agree with you on that one. If it wasn't for
> KISS, there probably wouldn't have been an Invasion. If it wasn't for
> Invasion, there wouldn't have been money for his own label. If it
> wasn't for his own label, there wouldn't have been a $20 ep. Ergo, if
> it wasn't for KISS, there wouldn't have been an ep. Simple algebra.
>
>
IF IF IF IF IF
Come on guys, it doesn't matter all these ifs. If it weren't for Gene
Simmons, there wouldn't be a Van Halen either. Don't forget that he
discovered them, produced and promoted their demo which got them a record
contract. It's all WHO you know in this industry.
Besides, all this talk about Vinnie owing everything to KISS is pointless.
Yes, they are the ones who helped him get national recognition. He admits
that as well. This fact, however, doesn't negate the fact that Vinnie is
an incredibly talented guitar player/songwriter. Paul and Gene admit this
too. The late great Eric Carr descirbed Vinnie as an "incredible guitar
player who happened to have a great voice." I think the respect that Gene
and Paul have for Vinnie is evident in the fact that he was brought in to
help write for Revenge and five of the 16 songs on Alive III were
co-written by Vinnie.
I guess my point is, don't let one person who you admire sway your opinion
about someone you've never met. That's rediculous and childish, and makes
KISS fans look stupid when you argue about it.
Sincerely,
A Fan of KISS (no matter who is in the band.)
Dat's a gud von!
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