Eric Carr...did he die of AIDS???
Marissa Abmont
>I don't understand, what's wrong or immoral about that? Eric Carr was a member of Kiss-
>true. He was very sick with cancer, and was unable to continue drumming for Kiss (this
>is a bit of an understatement). But Kiss, the band and the business had to go on. Life
>(for the others) doesn't stop because someone is sick. If a family member had a terminal
>illness, your life does not stop right there. Many people continue going to work and
>using work as a way to put your mind on something else instead of getting depressed and
>bent outta shape about the whole situation. You feel sadness, yes, but you should not be
>disfunctional because of someone's illness. The sick person doesn't want it that
>way, believe me.
>--
>-ZMOQ,
>-Trooper of the Major Keys w/ Generator leanings
>-Resident Square Peg in a Round Hole on a.m.y.
>-Knight Commander, Quartermaster Gen'l, RS+ : Order of the Panther
>-Wembley Wurmer
I agree with you there. He may have wanted the band to continue on.
And I wouldnt normally do this but to quote Freddie Mercury
"The Show Must Go On"!!!!!!!
Marissa Abmont
"inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>Yes Goldtop they should have cancelled the tour immediately but you know
>why they didn't? MONEY. They had the tour booked and would've lost
>money. Mark was only a sideman though so it didn't matter. What if Ace
>really got sick tomorrow? Would they cancel the tour? No way. Mark
>didn't get along with them. Hand scmand. He has a real big ego. He had a
>fistfight with Eric and just wasn't generally liked. I don't know if
>you've ever heard his interview with Kiss Leech, I mean Force newsletter
>writer David Snowden but Mark disses Kiss and David with his oversized I
>can do anything attitude. Yes Kiss should have waited for Eric. At least
>have gave him the benefit of the doubt. What if a miraculous cure was
>found? Eric was already OFFICIALLY OUT of the band 2 months before his
>unfortunate death. So he would not be in Kiss. This is the real world,
>not Kiss meets the Phantom world. Kiss Music=Awesome Kiss members=Cold,
>Money Hungry, Greedy, Unfeeling people.
>-Doug
This is a Quote out of KISS Revenge...on the last song. CARR JAM 1981
"During the Christmas break, while going through the vaults. Ezrin
came across an old 24 track of a hot riff written by Eric Carr and
recorded by us in Toronto in May of 1981. It included a thunderous
drun solo....the only one Eric ever recorded. We left the original
bass, drum and Paul's guitar as they were recorded in 1981 and
overdubbed Bruce on lead guitar. We cut it down in length so that the
drum solo became the featured part. We included it here because it
was a chance for us all to remember how great Eric really was."
And if you look really closely at the bottom of the liner notes you
will see.
"This album is dedicated to the memory of Eric Carr."
Ben Reilly
In a previous article, ki...@primenet.com (Marissa Abmont) says:
>
>came across an old 24 track of a hot riff written by Eric Carr and
>recorded by us in Toronto in May of 1981. It included a thunderous
>drun solo....the only one Eric ever recorded. We left the original
>bass, drum and Paul's guitar as they were recorded in 1981 and
>overdubbed Bruce on lead guitar.
>
One thing I always thought was cheesy was that not only didn't they credit
Ace for also writing this song, but they cut out his guitar part and
overdubbed Bruce's. If you already had a guitar track, why ruin it
and overdub another one w/ your current member, other than to be petty?
That really pissed me off about KISS at the time. Trying to erase the past?
Oh well, I guess that is all over now, thankfully. Now we can all just get
along. Later.
--
Ben Reilly - bt...@yfn.ysu.edu -----
"Does whatever a spider can." | 1:1 | Dole/Kemp '96
The Original? Hmmmm? -----
-- "Stand up, you don't have to be afraid." - Gene Simmons (KISS)
inva...@anv.net
Yeah full well knowing that Ace had cut Breakout with the same riff,
also knowing that it would make them look good. They also cut out Ace's
guitar on Carr jam and placed Bruce's over it. So basically what I'm
saying is that CARR JAM is a tribute from Bruce Kulick and not Kiss. Any
way what is your point? That Gene & Paul are nice guys? Yeah Right. And
Goldtop I am too close to the situation and again know facts not
fiction. Believe what you want say what you will but always remember
Eric for the great drummer he was and not the programmed drum machine
Gene and Paul made him become in the studio.
-Doug
--
***Feeling Euphoric?***
Visit the Vinnie Vincent Homepage
http://coyote.accessnv.com/invasion
Marissa Abmont
"inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>Yeah full well knowing that Ace had cut Breakout with the same riff,
>also knowing that it would make them look good. They also cut out Ace's
>guitar on Carr jam and placed Bruce's over it. So basically what I'm
>saying is that CARR JAM is a tribute from Bruce Kulick and not Kiss.
How can you be so sure that it is from Bruce and not Kiss?
>way what is your point? That Gene & Paul are nice guys? Yeah Right. And
You think that you know so damn much.....Then tell me if Paul and Gene
are such Assholes and so controling, how the hell did Bruce get teh
Carr Jam 1981 on there in the first place. If Paul and Gene disliked
Eric so much, why would they want his stuff on one of their albums???
OK and here is another one for you. IF they disliked him so much then
why in their Animalize tour did he sing two songs "Young and Wasted"
and "Black Diamond"?? And also when it was Genes turn to do the solo
for the crowd why did Eric get to help him out. I am sure that unless
he was asked he wouldnt go into help with someones solo. Take a good
look at that video and then see if you can give me some answers on
that.
>Goldtop I am too close to the situation and again know facts not
>fiction.
Yeah Like i have said before, you are too close to the top and all
you can see is shit cuz your head is too far up your ass to see
anything else!!!!!!
Alan Tucker
On Sep 22, 1996 18:39:51 in article <Re: Eric Carr...did he die of
AIDS???>, 'bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter)' wrote:
>>At least that was the party line. Cancer. But if he really *did* die of
>>something else, at this point, who gives a rat's ass? The guy is still
>>dead.
>>
>>Alan Tucker
>------------
'bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter)' wrote:
>Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
>recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them,
huh?
-------------
I'm not sure that "nice" has anything to do with it. In fact, "nice"
rarely has anything to do with business. The entire band wasn't sick, just
the drummer. They had a contract to fulfill. Period.
Alan Tucker
inva...@anv.net
Don't get your vaginal juices in an uproar woman. You want explanations
here they are. Eric was a part of the band. Gene and Paul didn't have
jack to do with Carr Jam except to put it on the album. Any REAL Kiss
fan knows that the track is from ACE'S and ERIC'S demos tape. That is
NOT Paul on guitar. Bruce knew about the song, do you actually think
that while together for 8 years Eric didn't share his music with Bruce?
Are you dense? The live show is entertainment Eric was the drummer what
the hell else is he gonna do? Jump around onstage? Oh and about Eric
singing? Black Diamond was a fan favorite and Eric liked the song. How
many times did they let him sing Little Caesar? Tons. And Beth? Tons
more get a clue.
-Doug
Eddy Jones
> >Could it be that there has been a confusion of music personalities?
> >Freddie Mercury died on the same date as EC and he did die from
> >complications from AIDS.
>
> And yes Freddie did die of complications of AIDS. That was his choice
> of lifestyles and his alone. I dont feel anyone really should put him
> down for it. I mean what if it happened to a member of your family!
Whoah!!! Where did this come from. It certainly didn't sound to me like
this guy was putting down Freddie because he died of AIDS. He was just
asking if that's where the confusion came from....
Don't be so sensitive dude. Save your deserved anger for someone who
deserves it. Save it for someone who is a bigot, and the like.
Eddy
Mark
In article <324753...@anv.net> "inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net> writes:
>From: "inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net>
>Subject: Re: Eric Carr...did he die of AIDS???
>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:19:22 -0700
>-Doug
Just a side note to anyone that might not be aware. The riff from Carr Jam was
used on a song on Frehley's Comet(first album). The songs called BREAKOUT.
Nardo
ZMOQ wrote:
>
> Ben Lauter wrote:
>
> > >At least that was the party line. Cancer. But if he really *did* die of
> > >something else, at this point, who gives a rat's ass? The guy is still
> > >dead.
> > >
> > >Alan Tucker
> >
> > recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them, huh?
>
> true. He was very sick with cancer, and was unable to continue drumming for Kiss (this
> is a bit of an understatement). But Kiss, the band and the business had to go on. Life
> (for the others) doesn't stop because someone is sick. If a family member had a terminal
> using work as a way to put your mind on something else instead of getting depressed and
> bent outta shape about the whole situation. You feel sadness, yes, but you should not be
> disfunctional because of someone's illness. The sick person doesn't want it that
> way, believe me.
>
> --
> -ZMOQ,
> -Trooper of the Major Keys w/ Generator leanings
> -Resident Square Peg in a Round Hole on a.m.y.
> -Knight Commander, Quartermaster Gen'l, RS+ : Order of the Panther
> -Wembley Wurmer
I don't know about that... Eric was so into KISS that it probably really
dug his heart out. I think out of respect they could have waited if
they wanted to. Business or no business.
Nardo
Nardo
Marissa Abmont wrote:
>
> "inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>
> >Yes Goldtop they should have cancelled the tour immediately but you know
> >why they didn't? MONEY. They had the tour booked and would've lost
> >money. Mark was only a sideman though so it didn't matter. What if Ace
> >really got sick tomorrow? Would they cancel the tour? No way. Mark
> >didn't get along with them. Hand scmand. He has a real big ego. He had a
> >fistfight with Eric and just wasn't generally liked. I don't know if
> >you've ever heard his interview with Kiss Leech, I mean Force newsletter
> >writer David Snowden but Mark disses Kiss and David with his oversized I
> >can do anything attitude. Yes Kiss should have waited for Eric. At least
> >have gave him the benefit of the doubt. What if a miraculous cure was
> >found? Eric was already OFFICIALLY OUT of the band 2 months before his
> >unfortunate death. So he would not be in Kiss. This is the real world,
> >not Kiss meets the Phantom world. Kiss Music=Awesome Kiss members=Cold,
> >Money Hungry, Greedy, Unfeeling people.
>
> >-Doug
>
> This is a Quote out of KISS Revenge...on the last song. CARR JAM 1981
>
> "During the Christmas break, while going through the vaults. Ezrin
> recorded by us in Toronto in May of 1981. It included a thunderous
> drun solo....the only one Eric ever recorded. We left the original
> bass, drum and Paul's guitar as they were recorded in 1981 and
> drum solo became the featured part. We included it here because it
> was a chance for us all to remember how great Eric really was."
>
> And if you look really closely at the bottom of the liner notes you
> will see.
>
> "This album is dedicated to the memory of Eric Carr."
What's the point here? He was dead... He put in many years of hard work
in the band.. He deserved at least that much... Personally, I think the
wording should have been bigger and there should have been a picture of
him... Christ, their road manager died and they mentioned it in one of
their tourbooks... The guy, C.K. Lendt, was a major help in getting the
road show going... Eric was in the band... Why not have a nice memorial
to him in the tourbook too?
I think it was nice that they paid a little bit of respect to him in
KISS My Ass, the video... Why not a nice clip of one of his solo's..? A
montage? Hmmm...
Nardo
Nardo
goldtopŽ wrote:
>
> bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter) was seen scribbling this:
>
> >Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
> >recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them, huh?
>
> longer play the drums, but was sticken with an illness that might not
> take his life for another ten years?********************************************That would be a different situation. Eric
had cancer and the prognosis was not that good. If it was a long protracted thing were
Eric was told that he could live for ten years, had to give up vigorous activity--that
wouild probably be the signal for Eric that HE had a choice to make. In that case, I
would hope that he would say, "You guys have to go on, I'll be rooting for you from the
side"... The decision would not have been an easy one for him, I"m sure...
Would KISS have to be put in moth
> balls for the duration?***************************That's really silly. Knowing the type of person that Eric was, I don't think he would have expected them to do that.
Gene and Paul confronted with THE REALITY of the situation could have waited and showed
that a human life is MORE IMPORTANT than any amount of money... I don't think KISS
would have been sued over a temporary breach... BUT, neither you or I know the
stipulations of any contracts so we can't say, now can we?
>
> Mark St. John developed medical problems that precluded his
> involvement in the band. But yet I hear not a whimper from anyone
> around here about replacing him with Bruce Kulick. Shouldn't they have
> cancelled the tour immediately?***************************************Hmmm... I don't see how you can compare the
amount of work and history that Eric had in this band (compared to Mark). That
statement seems pretty outrageous. BUT--since you bring up Mark... I have heard rumors
that it was not just the Reiters Syndrome that got him kicked out of the band. It was
also because he was supposed to have an ego equal to the size of Gene's. I had heard
and read from many others that Mark was not really turning out to be all they expected
and that they had an opportunity when this disease arose. I know that we may never know
the truth here. Frankly, if Mark did not have this ego thing going against him--and the
band still replaced him that easily--I'd have to say that they were pretty fucked up
for doing that... They could have had Bruce as a temporary fill in... They just did not
have much invested in Mark at the time... Oh well...
>
> I don't understand the logic here. This is a rock band.************************************************************Think about it from a human
point of view. When you are dealing with a disease, like cancer, where your mental
state of mind can help contribute to a possible recovery etc... This type of behaviour
smacks of just being concerned with the cash, period. People sometimes simply do things
because they CARE about a person.
Nardo
ZMOQ
Nardo wrote:
>
> ZMOQ wrote:
> > bent outta shape about the whole situation. You feel sadness, yes, but you should not be > > disfunctional because of someone's illness. The sick person doesn't want it
that > > way, believe me.
> I don't know about that... Eric was so into KISS that it probably really
> dug his heart out. I think out of respect they could have waited if
> they wanted to. Business or no business.
I'm afraid that I don't see how "respect" comes into it. What if every sick person
thought that their loved ones and close colleagues should put their *own* lives/jobs on
hold because of [the sick person's] illness? Should the company that you work for *not*
hire a temp or someone to fill your position if you were terminally ill and unable to
come to work? Should everyone else be expected to shoulder more work until you a) get
better or b) die, so they *can* hire someone else?
Hell, if I were sick (even terminally), I wouldn't expect *my* family and friends to
stop what they're doing out of some misguided notions about "respect". I wouldn't want
guilt feelings about how I'm affecting *other people* to add to my burden.
Of course Eric wanted to be well and drumming with Kiss, but it's not as if *this* was
within Simmons/Stanley's power to grant it. So why would he want Kiss to be on
indefinite hold? Isn't that a bit selfish? (BTW- I don't think Eric would be that way)
goldtop®
Nardo <chapterho...@worldnet.att.net> was seen scribbling this:
>Knowing the type of person that Eric was
You knew him?
goldtop
email: gol...@mindspring.com
PariahNardo
Hmmm.. about as much as you know about KISS contracts? :-)
I was talking about his public persona...
Nice to see ya' respond, tho'!!
Nardo
Bruce Peiffer
My mom had chemo and did not lose her hair. God has her now.
--
..Bruce
Marissa Abmont
"inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net> wrote:
>Don't get your vaginal juices in an uproar woman. You want explanations
>here they are. Eric was a part of the band. Gene and Paul didn't have
>jack to do with Carr Jam except to put it on the album. Any REAL Kiss
>fan knows that the track is from ACE'S and ERIC'S demos tape. That is
>NOT Paul on guitar. Bruce knew about the song, do you actually think
>that while together for 8 years Eric didn't share his music with Bruce?
>Are you dense? The live show is entertainment Eric was the drummer what
>the hell else is he gonna do? Jump around onstage? Oh and about Eric
>singing? Black Diamond was a fan favorite and Eric liked the song. How
>many times did they let him sing Little Caesar? Tons. And Beth? Tons
>more get a clue.
Ok then you tell me this much......If you have a hit song going and it
is as you say a FAN FAVORITE, and it is your song to start, Why The
Hell Would YOu Give It To Someone Else To Sing.? If the fans go crazy
over the song that you sing, WHY GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE?
Especially when it was Paul Stanley's song in the first place. IF he
is such an EGOMANIAC then why give up one of his songs to some little
pissant that is just a minor part of the band?????!!!!!
And when you are referring to WOMEN around here you better get your
FUCKING FACTS straight jerkoff or there can be hell to pay, and I am
just the BITCH to do it!!!!!
Kiara
goldtop®
PariahNardo <chapterho...@worldnet.att.net> was seen scribbling
this:
>Hmmm.. about as much as you know about KISS contracts? :-)
Alright, Beavis... settle down. I didn't mention contracts <someone
else did>. I said -this is a rock band- . I play in one, although
since we are small time weekend warriors, we actually would prolly do
the hiatus thing cause we are more of a brotherhood than a big name
like KISS.
Page, Plant and Jones had the right idea. But I think their motives
where driven out of the fact that the music not only would never be
the the same, but would never even be remotely similar. Even Jason
Bonham plods along compared to the old man. Eric C had a cool style
<love the drum work on "Forever".... never cared for Eric's version of
DRC.... Peter Criss is the only person who can play that right>, but
the music went on....
It would have been a nice token but if it's only a token... I'd just
soon they moved on, if I was Eric. If it's not from the heart, it
doesn't matter.
goldtop
email: gol...@mindspring.com
inva...@anv.net
Hey Kiara,
I won't rip on you, but you better get your facts straight. PETER CRISS
sung BLACK DIAMOND when he was the DRUMMER. Eric sang the song cause he
sounded like PETER and HE WAS THE DRUMMER. Paul sings the intro only. No
one gave him the song, he wanted to sing and they suggested Black
Diamond. Young & Wasted is a song written by Gene and Vinnie which Eric
sang in the studio but they didn't cut it. Gene wound up singing it.
Live eventually Eric sang it.
Nardo
Settle down yourself... If you can go around insulting the hell out of
other people, be prepared to catch some flak yourself.
I sent you a polite e-mail response to your message to me (regarding
something else other than this post) and you join in talking some stupid
ass jive about me... Get with it and stop indulging in behaviour that
you people accused me of...
Frankly, I'd rather read about Twinkies than KISS fans who act like
kiddies...
Oh, and don't bother to flame me... It rolls off my back like common
sense rolls off of the "anon" poster who called me a child molester...
And by the wayside... "LICK IT UP!!"
Nardo
Nardo
Eddy Jones wrote:
>
> Marissa Abmont <ki...@primenet.com> wrote in article
> <52dgmq$q...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>...
> > Ok then you tell me this much......If you have a hit song going and it
> > is as you say a FAN FAVORITE, and it is your song to start, Why The
> > Hell Would YOu Give It To Someone Else To Sing.? If the fans go crazy
> > over the song that you sing, WHY GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE?
> > Especially when it was Paul Stanley's song in the first place. IF he
> > is such an EGOMANIAC then why give up one of his songs to some little
> > pissant that is just a minor part of the band?????!!!!!
> >
> > And when you are referring to WOMEN around here you better get your
> > FUCKING FACTS straight jerkoff or there can be hell to pay, and I am
> > just the BITCH to do it!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Kiara
> the song was Paul's in the first place? Paul sang the intro and that was
> it. Peter sang the rest of the song. :P Which makes it seem natural that
> Eric would be the one singing.
> As far as Eric being a "pissant" with "just a minor part" in the band? I
> only have to laugh at that obvious attempt at flame-bait. I won't stoop to
> answer it.
>
> Long live the memory of Eric Carr.
>
> Eddy
Amen!!
Nardo
Nardo
Okay, Butthead... :-) Sorry for the misunderstanding... I understand
the band situation myself (as I have been in a two myself)...
Nardo
Marissa Abmont
"Eddy Jones" <myv...@plano.net> wrote:
a...@primenet.com> wrote in article
>>
>Alright Kiara, I'll take the bait. First of all, what makes you think that
>the song was Paul's in the first place? Paul sang the intro and that was
Ok if you dont believe me....go look at who wrote the song. From what
I have seen of KISS, when you write the song, You sing it/control it
>it. Peter sang the rest of the song. :P Which makes it seem natural that
>Eric would be the one singing.
>As far as Eric being a "pissant" with "just a minor part" in the band? I
I didnt call him that, I am saying that they way that people are
talking, when they say that Paul & Gene didnt like Eric, that is what
is seems they are saying.
>only have to laugh at that obvious attempt at flame-bait. I won't stoop to
>answer it.
And you say you wont stoop to answer it....then preytell what did you
do?
Marissa Abmont
wgo...@netcore.ca (Walter Golac) wrote:
>Boy you're right. You are the biggest bitch ever!! Not only do you
>insult the deceased but you insult the bands coolest & BIGGest
>member!!
First off i didnt insult him....I love the way that Eric Carr played
and sang.....I think he was one of the best. If you look at the way i
typed it....you would see that I was referring to the way that people
sat there and said things that made it sound like Eric wasnt like and
that he was shit in Paul and Gene's eyes. I dont think he was. If I
made it sound that way I am sorry.
Yes that was a public apology. I may be a BITCH but at least i know
how to say sorry when i fuck up. and i think i may have posted it a
little different than i meant to.
Eddy Jones
Marissa Abmont <ki...@primenet.com> wrote in article
> Ok if you dont believe me....go look at who wrote the song. From what
> I have seen of KISS, when you write the song, You sing it/control it
> >it.
Here's a list . . .
Song Writer Singer
God of Thunder Paul Gene
Hard Luck Woman Paul Peter
Black Diamond Mostly Peter Mostly Peter
Cold Gin Gene (Ace recently in concert) Gene
I Gene Gene & Paul
All Hell's Br. Loose Eric Carr (despite the lable) Paul
And on the 8th Day Vinnie Vincent (see above) Gene
This list doesn't include many of the songs where Paul and Gene are listed
as co-writers and the name listed first is generally the larger contributer
to the song but the other person sang.
> >As far as Eric being a "pissant" with "just a minor part" in the band?
I
> I didnt call him that, I am saying that they way that people are
> talking, when they say that Paul & Gene didnt like Eric, that is what
> is seems they are saying.
> >only have to laugh at that obvious attempt at flame-bait. I won't stoop
to
> >answer it.
> And you say you wont stoop to answer it....then preytell what did you
> do?
Well, if you read carefully I'm sure that you'll see that I refrained from
calling you childish names like a pissant ignorant fool who wouldn't know a
songwriter from kick drum, let alone know who were "official" members of
the band or not.
Have a nice day
Eddy
Eddy Jones
Marissa Abmont <ki...@primenet.com> wrote in article
> First off i didnt insult him....I love the way that Eric Carr played
> and sang.....I think he was one of the best. If you look at the way i
> typed it....you would see that I was referring to the way that people
> sat there and said things that made it sound like Eric wasnt like and
> that he was shit in Paul and Gene's eyes. I dont think he was. If I
> made it sound that way I am sorry.
>
> Yes that was a public apology. I may be a BITCH but at least i know
> how to say sorry when i fuck up. and i think i may have posted it a
> little different than i meant to.
I'll accept this apology. However, make sure you are a little more careful
in the way you word things. It certainly looked to me (and everyone else)
like you were insulting Eric. I hate to see that happen. To a man who has
never done anything publicly that would warrent being insulted.
Eddy
Mist2715
In article <52dgmq$q...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, ki...@primenet.com
(Marissa Abmont) writes:
>Ok then you tell me this much......If you have a hit song going and it
>is as you say a FAN FAVORITE, and it is your song to start, Why The
>Hell Would YOu Give It To Someone Else To Sing.? If the fans go crazy
>over the song that you sing, WHY GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE?
>Especially when it was Paul Stanley's song in the first place. IF he
>is such an EGOMANIAC then why give up one of his songs to some little
>pissant that is just a minor part of the band?????!!!!!
>
>
Peter sang BD originally.
Denny Payne
Eddy Jones (myv...@plano.net) wrote:
:
:
: Marissa Abmont <ki...@primenet.com> wrote in article
:
: > Ok if you dont believe me....go look at who wrote the song. From what
: > I have seen of KISS, when you write the song, You sing it/control it
: > >it.
: Here's a list . . .
:
: Song Writer Singer
:
: God of Thunder Paul Gene
: Hard Luck Woman Paul Peter
: Black Diamond Mostly Peter Mostly Peter
: Cold Gin Gene (Ace recently in concert) Gene
I think you meant Ace for writer, Gene for singer.
: I Gene Gene & Paul
: All Hell's Br. Loose Eric Carr (despite the lable) Paul
: And on the 8th Day Vinnie Vincent (see above) Gene
:
:
: This list doesn't include many of the songs where Paul and Gene are listed
: as co-writers and the name listed first is generally the larger contributer
: to the song but the other person sang.
I posted a similar article in another thread where someone was asserting
strange things about the songwriters (it quickly becomes obvious who
understands the issue, being a musician).
The deal is, just because someone is listed as the songwriter doesn't mean
that they wrote *every aspect* of that song. Sure, Ace is the songwriter
for "Shock Me" but he did not write a drum part and say "OK Peter, play
this now." Peter worked with Ace, went through the song, and figured out
a drum part to play. Does this mean he "wrote" the song? Not hardly
(although a few bands consider it this way). Ace came up with the main
idea, so he gets the credit (and the $).
It has nothing to do with "control" of the song.
Denny
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Walter Golac
mist...@aol.com (Mist2715) wrote:
>Peter sang BD originally.
Peter never wrote it, Paul did. (I recall someone saying that Peter
wrote it). Paul stole the song title from Gene!!
Mark
In article <01bbac93$03de7060$aa3cd7cc@myvryn> "Eddy Jones" <myv...@plano.net> writes:
>From: "Eddy Jones" <myv...@plano.net>
>Subject: Proving Marissa Wrong
>Date: 27 Sep 1996 16:41:54 GMT
>Marissa Abmont <ki...@primenet.com> wrote in article
>> Ok if you dont believe me....go look at who wrote the song. From what
>> I have seen of KISS, when you write the song, You sing it/control it
>> >it.
>Here's a list . . .
>Song Writer Singer
>God of Thunder Paul Gene
>Hard Luck Woman Paul Peter
>Black Diamond Mostly Peter Mostly Peter
>Cold Gin Gene (Ace recently in concert) Gene
>I Gene Gene & Paul
>All Hell's Br. Loose Eric Carr (despite the lable) Paul
>And on the 8th Day Vinnie Vincent (see above) Gene
Just one minor correction. Ace wrote Cold Gin completely as far as I am aware.
Simply T
I agree with you, Ace wrote Cold Gin.
Marissa Abmont
wgo...@netcore.ca (Walter Golac) wrote:
>>Peter sang BD originally.
>Peter never wrote it, Paul did. (I recall someone saying that Peter
>wrote it). Paul stole the song title from Gene!!
Thank you!
S. Keller
> >
> > >Song Writer Singer
> >
> > >God of Thunder Paul Gene
> > >Hard Luck Woman Paul Peter
> > >Black Diamond Mostly Peter Mostly Peter
> > >Cold Gin Gene (Ace recently in concert) Gene
> > >I Gene Gene & Paul
> > >All Hell's Br. Loose Eric Carr (despite the lable) Paul
> > >And on the 8th Day Vinnie Vincent (see above) Gene
Paul Wrote Black Diamond and God of Thunder
Ace wrote Parasite and Getaway
Why are people so worried about proving people wrong, anyways?
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Marissa Abmont
"Eddy Jones" <myv...@plano.net> wrote:
>I'll accept this apology. However, make sure you are a little more careful
>in the way you word things. It certainly looked to me (and everyone else)
>like you were insulting Eric. I hate to see that happen. To a man who has
>never done anything publicly that would warrent being insulted.
>Eddy
Like I said, I did not mean to insult Eric. I think that he was
great! It seemed to me that everyone else was saying that he was not
that good. And I was just trying to say it in a way that they were
saying it.....it wasnt the way that i felt..
Marissa
Stephen Hall
> > and sang.....I think he was one of the best. If you look at the way i
> > typed it....you would see that I was referring to the way that people
> > sat there and said things that made it sound like Eric wasnt like and
> > that he was shit in Paul and Gene's eyes. I dont think he was. If I
> > made it sound that way I am sorry.
> >
> > Yes that was a public apology. I may be a BITCH but at least i know
> > how to say sorry when i fuck up. and i think i may have posted it a
> > little different than i meant to.
>
> in the way you word things. It certainly looked to me (and everyone else)
> like you were insulting Eric. I hate to see that happen. To a man who has
> never done anything publicly that would warrent being insulted.
>
> Eddy
She simply stated a fact, Eric Carr more or less wasnt shit without
Kiss, he did very little outside drumming and singing Black Diamond, I
dont think she owes anyone an apology here but herself, you are a bunch
of wishmewereKISSfans, come half passed 1984 and call yourselves true
KissFANS/knowitalls about Kiss, Its sickening and by all means UNTRUE
FICTIONOUS BULLSHIT, fact is she didnt insult him or Paul, she set
facts straight whether or not they grazed anyone elses pride or NOT.
Stephen Hall
Walter Golac wrote:
>
> > why give up one of his songs to some little
> >pissant that is just a minor part of the band?????!!!!!
> >FUCKING FACTS straight jerkoff or there can be hell to pay, and I am
> >just the BITCH to do it!!!!!
>
> insult the deceased but you insult the bands coolest & BIGGest
> member!!
I dont recall her insulting anyone cept the ass that pushed his
arrogant,sexist viewpoints on her; she didnt insult Paul Stanley, she
defended him, I dont recall her insulting any deceased meaning
Carovello, and please, no more sexist vaginal juice bullshit, guys,
thats an insult to all PEOPLE here, not just female
Stephen Hall
Marissa Abmont wrote:
>
> wgo...@netcore.ca (Walter Golac) wrote:
>
> >Boy you're right. You are the biggest bitch ever!! Not only do you
> >insult the deceased but you insult the bands coolest & BIGGest
> >member!!
>
> and sang.....I think he was one of the best. If you look at the way i
> typed it....you would see that I was referring to the way that people
> sat there and said things that made it sound like Eric wasnt like and
> that he was shit in Paul and Gene's eyes. I dont think he was. If I
> made it sound that way I am sorry.
>
> Yes that was a public apology. I may be a BITCH but at least i know
> how to say sorry when i fuck up. and i think i may have posted it a
> little different than i meant to.
Im reading back trying to find and cypher what you said as being
insultious to either Carr or Stanley and I cant find it; you dont owe
anyone here an apology for defending yourself lass, half the jerks here
come here to suck an argument out of anyone willing to let em..
Steve
rem...@nando.net
Stephen Hall wrote:
> I dont think she owes anyone an apology here but herself, you are a bunch
> of wishmewereKISSfans, come half passed 1984 and call yourselves true
> KissFANS/knowitalls about Kiss.
Hold on. So if I came onto the scene and got into KISS after
1984, then I'm not a true KISS fan? Bullshit. I may not have all the albums
or remember the first time they were on Letterman, or bought ALIVE on vinyl,
but I still love KISS.
And here I thought people were friendly on here. I'd better go back
to the Dead ng now...
RM
Central
This newsgroup has a serious problem with respecting all types of input
of opinion or discussion material... I have never seen such unbelievable
attitudes 'cept maybe in high school... You know, "If you don't dress
(post) exactly like us etc" you don't belong here... blah, blah, blah!!
Don't let a few people turn you off of the newsgroup!! Myself
included!! :-P
Nardo
Marissa Abmont
Stephen Hall <sch...@infinet.com> wrote:
>She simply stated a fact, Eric Carr more or less wasnt shit without
>Kiss, he did very little outside drumming and singing Black Diamond, I
>dont think she owes anyone an apology here but herself, you are a bunch
>of wishmewereKISSfans, come half passed 1984 and call yourselves true
>KissFANS/knowitalls about Kiss, Its sickening and by all means UNTRUE
>FICTIONOUS BULLSHIT, fact is she didnt insult him or Paul, she set
>facts straight whether or not they grazed anyone elses pride or NOT.
Thank you. Like I have said. I liked Eric and love Paul....I would
not cut them down, but everyone else here was. I was stating what I
understood as what they were saying and was dealing with the facts as
they came.
Thanks again stephen
DkAngl
Eric Carr didn't do shit outside of playing drums and singing Black
Diamond
(and Young and Wasted)??? OK, but Micheal Jordan didn't do shit except
play basketball and do charity work.
For someone so negative and snobbish sounding, that was kinda stupid to
say. If you are going to flame, please think first. Then again what do I
know, I'm
an after '76 er (not '84).
BTW, Marissa, you didn't have to apologize for your opinion, but it showed
a lot of class that you did. I give you much credit.
Dark Angel
Eddy Jones
> She simply stated a fact, Eric Carr more or less wasnt shit without
> Kiss, he did very little outside drumming and singing Black Diamond, I
> dont think she owes anyone an apology here but herself, you are a bunch
> of wishmewereKISSfans, come half passed 1984 and call yourselves true
> KissFANS/knowitalls about Kiss, Its sickening and by all means UNTRUE
> FICTIONOUS BULLSHIT, fact is she didnt insult him or Paul, she set
> facts straight whether or not they grazed anyone elses pride or NOT.
I'd like to start by saying that I've been a KISS fan since '76 and I've
stuck by them through thick and thin. I've been beaten up because I liked
them back in the late 70's early 80's. So don't start with me saying I'm a
"wishmewereKISSfan." Secondly, if you noticed, once she clarified her
point everything was ok. But she wrote something about Eric being a
PISSANT, which he wasn't. She didn't say "someone who Gene and Paul
thought a pissant." That would have been different and a little easier to
understand.
I've never claimed to be a KISS "know-it-all." If I was, what would be the
point of posting in this group?
I do get tired of plainly obnoxious posting where people are trying to get
into arguments. Such as supposedly mature individuals resorting to name
calling to get their point across. Also, profanity really drives your
point home and makes you look real "mature" here. Keep it up.
Eddy
By the way, what is "FICTIONOUS"
Hooligan
Check out the Eric Carr tribute page. Eric died of cancer,
which eventually spread to his heart. As I recall, he spent
the last two months of his life in a coma.
David Christopher Howard
In article <01bba56f$235d71a0$1aee17cb@princess>,
John Raptis <jra...@crafti.com.au> wrote:
>I don't mean to hurt anyone in the Carr family...but there are rumours and
>rumours going around that Eric Carr died of AIDS. Vinnie Vincent also fuels
>this rumour but states that all will be revealed in his book. Also....Eric
>suffered no hair-loss (a pre-requiste of extensive chemo-therapy) as can be
>seen in the God Gave Rock And Roll To You video...anyone have any info???
No he did not die of AIDS.
Also by the hair assumption this means Gene has a full head of hair as well.
Oh wait he wears wigs, must mean he had cancer at some point.
peace,
John Raptis
I don't mean to hurt anyone in the Carr family...but there are rumours and
rumours going around that Eric Carr died of AIDS. Vinnie Vincent also fuels
this rumour but states that all will be revealed in his book. Also....Eric
suffered no hair-loss (a pre-requiste of extensive chemo-therapy) as can be
seen in the God Gave Rock And Roll To You video...anyone have any info???
JR!
p.s. Rest In Peace Eric...
inva...@anv.net
No not aids. But the problems he did have were not all because of
cancer. There are somethings that are private. Stress releated
problems. Did you know that Gene & Paul cut off his medical benefits?
Did you know they were looking for drummers while he was alive?
Pretty cold for someone who gave over 10 years of dedicated service.
I thought Eric was really cool, I met him and he was just awesome. He
truly lived for his fans. I see the same quality in Vinnie and that's
why I back him up. Eric was greatly appreciated by the fans an to this
day is greatly missed. You should check out the page dedicated to him,
it is cool.
-Doug
Cory Embry
yts...@cs.utexas.edu (David Christopher Howard) wrote:
>In article <01bba56f$235d71a0$1aee17cb@princess>,
>John Raptis <jra...@crafti.com.au> wrote:
He definatley didn't die of AIDS. And, from what I read in an
interview from his girlfriend, he did lose his hair. Vinnie is the
biggest jerk-off ever. Anything you take from Vinnie has to be taken with
a grain of salt. And, Eric Carr was a very straight forward honest
person, I seriously doubt he would lie about an illness he had. Also,
people can wear wigs ya know.
bonem...@occ-uky.campus.mci.net
Pat Daugherty E12697
Yeah, Vinnie is a real character. How can you beleive anyone who was
associated with his sex change rumor, or did he start that up himself?
Who says Eric had chemo? Cancer of the heart is untreatable or was
untreatable at the time.
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Andy Davidson
Hooligan <MVin...@wvonline.com> :
>Check out the Eric Carr tribute page. Eric died of cancer,
>which eventually spread to his heart. As I recall, he spent
>the last two months of his life in a coma.
Yep - definitely *not* AIDS. Don't believe anything veiled or
otherwise that the likes of Vincent may say about him or anyone else.
Hell, the poor guy was ill for some time. He was a kick ass drummer
and he died a tragic death.
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Alan Tucker
On Sep 18, 1996 21:49:22 in article <Re: Eric Carr...did he die of
AIDS???>, 'Hooligan <MVin...@wvonline.com>' wrote:
>Check out the Eric Carr tribute page. Eric died of cancer,
>which eventually spread to his heart. As I recall, he spent
>the last two months of his life in a coma.
something else, at this point, who gives a rat's ass? The guy is still
dead.
Alan Tucker
Ben Lauter
Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them, huh?
Ben
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inva...@anv.net
Yes Goldtop they should have cancelled the tour immediately but you know
why they didn't? MONEY. They had the tour booked and would've lost
money. Mark was only a sideman though so it didn't matter. What if Ace
really got sick tomorrow? Would they cancel the tour? No way. Mark
didn't get along with them. Hand scmand. He has a real big ego. He had a
fistfight with Eric and just wasn't generally liked. I don't know if
you've ever heard his interview with Kiss Leech, I mean Force newsletter
writer David Snowden but Mark disses Kiss and David with his oversized I
can do anything attitude. Yes Kiss should have waited for Eric. At least
have gave him the benefit of the doubt. What if a miraculous cure was
found? Eric was already OFFICIALLY OUT of the band 2 months before his
unfortunate death. So he would not be in Kiss. This is the real world,
not Kiss meets the Phantom world. Kiss Music=Awesome Kiss members=Cold,
Money Hungry, Greedy, Unfeeling people.
-Doug
ZMOQ
Ben Lauter wrote:
> >At least that was the party line. Cancer. But if he really *did* die of
> >something else, at this point, who gives a rat's ass? The guy is still
> >dead.
> >
> >Alan Tucker
>
> Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
> recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them, huh?
I don't understand, what's wrong or immoral about that? Eric Carr was a member of Kiss-
true. He was very sick with cancer, and was unable to continue drumming for Kiss (this
is a bit of an understatement). But Kiss, the band and the business had to go on. Life
(for the others) doesn't stop because someone is sick. If a family member had a terminal
illness, your life does not stop right there. Many people continue going to work and
using work as a way to put your mind on something else instead of getting depressed and
bent outta shape about the whole situation. You feel sadness, yes, but you should not be
disfunctional because of someone's illness. The sick person doesn't want it that
way, believe me.
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Eddy Jones
Ben Lauter <bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> wrote in article
> Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
> recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them,
huh?
>
> Ben
> --
Two things to say. One they had Eric's blessing. Two they had a contract
to record the song in question for Bill & Ted's . . . Like it or not,
this is still a business and contracts had to be fulfilled.
Eddy
para...@earthlink.net
> Cory Embry (cory...@occ-uky.campus.mci.net) wrote:
> : yts...@cs.utexas.edu (David Christopher Howard) wrote:
> : >In article <01bba56f$235d71a0$1aee17cb@princess>,
> : >John Raptis <jra...@crafti.com.au> wrote:
> : >>I don't mean to hurt anyone in the Carr family...but there are rumours and
> : >>rumours going around that Eric Carr died of AIDS. Vinnie Vincent also fuels
> : >>this rumour but states that all will be revealed in his book. Also....Eric
> : >>suffered no hair-loss (a pre-requiste of extensive chemo-therapy) as can be
> : >>seen in the God Gave Rock And Roll To You video...anyone have any info???
Could it be that there has been a confusion of music personalities?
Freddie Mercury died on the same date as EC and he did die from
complications from AIDS.
goldtop®
"inva...@anv.net" <inva...@anv.net> was seen scribbling this:
>What if Ace really got sick tomorrow? Would they cancel the tour? No way.
We've already been through the rampant success of an Ace-less KISS.
But then again, I hear Vinnie's got a lot of time on his hands these
days..... :)
Yeah, Doug... this tour would be big party absent Ace Frehley.
>This is the real world
Indeed it is. And the last time I checked, it didn't include miracle
cures for severely advanced cases of terminal cancer.
>Kiss Music=Awesome Kiss members=Cold,
>Money Hungry, Greedy, Unfeeling people.
If I said that you are *way* too close to one side of this issue to
ever be objective about it, would you understand what I was saying?
goldtop
email: gol...@mindspring.com
Marissa Abmont
para...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> Cory Embry (cory...@occ-uky.campus.mci.net) wrote:
>> : yts...@cs.utexas.edu (David Christopher Howard) wrote:
>> : >In article <01bba56f$235d71a0$1aee17cb@princess>,
>> : >John Raptis <jra...@crafti.com.au> wrote:
>> : >>I don't mean to hurt anyone in the Carr family...but there are rumours and
>> : >>rumours going around that Eric Carr died of AIDS. Vinnie Vincent also fuels
>> : >>this rumour but states that all will be revealed in his book. Also....Eric
>> : >>suffered no hair-loss (a pre-requiste of extensive chemo-therapy) as can be
>> : >>seen in the God Gave Rock And Roll To You video...anyone have any info???
You are saying that he didnt have any hair loss like most people that
have Chemo. Ok well how about this.....It is entirely possible that
Eric decided to wear a wig so that no one knew that he was losing his
hair. It is possible that he was that vain or at least in the way of
the group looks and decided not to go normal.....I have heard of lots
of people doing that!!
>Could it be that there has been a confusion of music personalities?
>Freddie Mercury died on the same date as EC and he did die from
>complications from AIDS.
And yes Freddie did die of complications of AIDS. That was his choice
of lifestyles and his alone. I dont feel anyone really should put him
down for it. I mean what if it happened to a member of your family!
goldtop®
bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter) was seen scribbling this:
>Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
>recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them, huh?
I don't agree with this remark. What if Eric became very ill, could no
longer play the drums, but was sticken with an illness that might not
take his life for another ten years? Would KISS have to be put in moth
balls for the duration?
Mark St. John developed medical problems that precluded his
involvement in the band. But yet I hear not a whimper from anyone
around here about replacing him with Bruce Kulick. Shouldn't they have
cancelled the tour immediately?
I don't understand the logic here. This is a rock band.
goldtop
email: gol...@mindspring.com
Marissa Abmont
bl0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Lauter) wrote:
>>>Check out the Eric Carr tribute page. Eric died of cancer,
>>>which eventually spread to his heart. As I recall, he spent
>>>the last two months of his life in a coma.
>>
>>At least that was the party line. Cancer. But if he really *did* die of
>>something else, at this point, who gives a rat's ass? The guy is still
>>dead.
>>
>>Alan Tucker
>Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the band had Eric Singer in the studio
>recording the new album while Eric was on his deathbed. Nice of them, huh?
> Ben
Well think of it this way BEN! Maybe Eric Carr decided to tell the
group something like this.......Hey guys I dont know if I am gonna
come out of this, if you can find someone to replace me till i get
over this or someone that can take my place if I die. Then go ahead
and do it.......
I mean come on I dont think that Eric Carr would have really been that
selfish. He probably wanted the group to go on and have fun.
