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NEW Interview with C.K. Lendt. Discusses KISS Finances and more

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AJ

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Aug 27, 2012, 4:11:13 PM8/27/12
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Prior to working for KISS in the mid 1970s, were you a fan of them?
Why or why not?

I had heard of the band. I was in college and graduate school in the
early to mid 1970s and I don't recall that KISS was popular among the
campus crowd. At the time, my musical tastes leaned more toward
artists like Johnny Winter, Lee Michaels, Leon Russell, The Rolling
Stones and Eric Clapton.


Throughout Eric Carr's and Bruce Kulick's tenures in KISS, were their
salaries roughly $2000/week ($100,000 annually) as has been rumored?

More or less. I think that Eric's was at one point higher but he had
to take a pay cut because of KISS's financial woes.


Did Eric Carr and Bruce Kulick receive any publishing royalties for
the songs that they co-wrote or were their salaries their only
compensation?

I believe that they received writer's royalties for their share of any
songwriting that they did. KISS owned the publishing rights. Their
salaries were not inclusive of compensation for songwriting duties.
Neither Bruce nor Eric were songwriters for hire as the term is
defined in the music industry.


Do you recall if the Animalize, Asylum and Crazy Nights tours were
profitable? In your book, you seemed to imply that they were all break
even propositions.

My recollection is that during that period, the tours broke even, at
best, from concert fees (monies earned through ticket sales). Profits
were generated from the sale of merchandise at the concert venues.


At the time that you left the KISS organization, were Gene and Paul
both millionaires?

They each would have had personal assets, mostly the value of their
homes, in the million-dollar-range. Their business was in a precarious
state, however. Monies coming in were being chewed up by expenses that
enabled them to continue operating as a business. And they had a huge
tax liability on the horizon stemming from a tax shelter that the
government decided would be disallowed, retroactively.


In the early 1990s, Gene was quite critical of KISS's latter 1970s
makeup years by saying that they over-merchandised, marketed too
heavily to the child demographic and generally lost touch with the
fact that first and foremost, they were a hard rock band. However,
looking at KISS since they put the makeup back on in 1996, it seems as
though all of those latter 1970s makeup years elements are firmly back
in place. Does this surprise you at all or do you think that in the
end, Gene was and is only in it for the money?

Times change. In the 1980s, the costumed KISS was seen as outdated and
kiddie. By the mid 1990s, there apparently had developed a groundswell
of interest in the band and its original line-up. I'm sure that a lot
of it had to do with the band's fan base never having lost their love
of the original KISS, particularly if it was one of their favorite
bands in childhood. No other band came along to replace that feeling,
which is the norm. Musical tastes develop at an early age and are
typically the deepest emotionally and the most long-lasting.

As for whether Gene was only in it for the money, I'm sure that making
money was always a paramount concern. At the same time, he must enjoy
being a performer. Why else would he devote his entire life to
pursuing that career, putting himself at physical risk with the
trademark fire-breathing he's performed at every show, for decades?


Was there any kind of an effort made to try to halt the publication of
your KISS And Sell: The Making of a Supergroup book by anybody
affiliated or associated with KISS? If so, please discuss.

No. I believe my publisher received some sort of routine cease-and-
desist letter from an attorney for KISS shortly before publication,
but this is very typical for any publisher of an unauthorized
biography. Nothing further happened.


Have any of the current or former members of KISS or any of the
current or former people who work/worked for KISS given you any
feedback on KISS and Sell: The Making of a Supergoup? If so, who and
what did they say?

I was pleased to get feedback from many former colleagues who were
mentioned in the book. All of it was favorable. I did not receive any
complaints, criticisms, corrections or objections from any people who
were part of the story that I told, including any past or present
members of KISS or their representatives.


Discuss your current relationship with Gene and Paul.

I have none. My last encounter with Gene and Paul was chronicled in
the book. We were at a meeting in Cleveland.

In the mid 1990s, I did receive a phone call from Gene. We chatted
briefly. He had heard that I was writing a book and was interested in
knowing more about it. I simply told him that it was about "the music
business". He asked if it was going to be along the lines of This
Business of Music, a reference book about music industry business
practices. I said "not exactly" and left it at that.


From a purely business standpoint, what do you think it is about KISS
that, 40 years since their inception, continues to resonate so
strongly with so many people?

It's still unique. The garish make-up, the flamboyant costumes, the
spectacular stage theatrics and the hard-driving, hook-laden rock 'n'
roll combine to create irresistible live entertainment. It's riveting,
to this day. Even KISS's detractors will admit that the band stands
out as being one-of-a-kind. They have many imitiators but none as
compelling. And it seems to strike a chord with fans in countries
around the world - entertainment that's loud, aggressive and rooted in
fantasy and spectacle.


What are you up to nowadays?

I teach at New York University where I am an adjunct professor. I do
consulting for artists and entertainment companies. For a few years in
the mid 2000's, I managed a female artist in Florida with a business
partner who lives there but we ended our involvement. I also manage a
family investment portfolio.

The_Chris

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Aug 27, 2012, 4:38:34 PM8/27/12
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:11:13 -0700, AJ wrote:

> http://dbgeekshow.blogspot.com/2012/08/ck-lendt-author-of-kiss-and-sell-
making.html
>
> Prior to working for KISS in the mid 1970s, were you a fan of them? Why
> or why not?
>
> I had heard of the band. I was in college and graduate school in the
> early to mid 1970s and I don't recall that KISS was popular among the..

This guy seems extremely intelligent to me. I like the way he explains
things from an emotional need standpoint...

I'd like to read his book....

Tattoo Vampire

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Aug 27, 2012, 6:07:35 PM8/27/12
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The_Chris wrote:

> I'd like to read his book....

It's a great book.
--
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

[tv]

The_Chris

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Aug 27, 2012, 7:39:00 PM8/27/12
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:07:35 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:

> The_Chris wrote:
>
>> I'd like to read his book....
>
> It's a great book.

I was looking it up - I guess it's not new? Looks like it's over 5 years
old. Is the interview new? I'll have to pick it up when I get back to
the States..
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FVH

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Aug 28, 2012, 2:14:51 AM8/28/12
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It's a great book. I picked it back up for the first time in years the
other day and it still holds up today. The Elder era section was my
favorite part of the book.

Put it this way--according to Lendt at first G&P were on board with
helping him with the book, only to pull out when they discovered it
wasn't a fluff piece. I'm not sure if all of the books include the
Eric Carr interview bonus CD, but you should find a copy that comes
with that. Eric doesn't remember a lot of facts but he does tell some
interesting stories.

I also like Dale Sherman's Black Diamond book. He did a TON of
research and talks in detail about the band. I highly suggest you read
that one too. He also wrote a BD 2, which is a collector's guide of
sorts. I think he used to post in here years ago as well.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
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FVH

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Aug 28, 2012, 2:17:20 AM8/28/12
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Yeah, why spend 3 grand on a book full of bullshit when you can get
KISS and Sell for a couple of bucks used? Of course that couple of
bucks won't help Gene add a new wing to his mansion...
On Aug 27, 8:43 pm, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> It has been dissected in this ng in the past. Tats is right it's a
> great book and IMO a must have over any other Kiss book, even the 3
> grand coffee table :D
>
> db
> --
>
> Political discussions are like Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win,
> is not to play the game....
>
> The Many
> The Once Proud
> The KISS Marines
>
> Remember it's never to late to serve! Fight The AXIS OF SHEEPLE!

Da Blue Guy

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Aug 28, 2012, 10:26:43 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 27, 9:43 pm, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:39:00 +0000 (UTC), The_Chris
> It has been dissected in this ng in the past. Tats is right it's a
> great book and IMO a must have over any other Kiss book, even the 3
> grand coffee table :D
>
> db
> --
>
> Political discussions are like Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win,
> is not to play the game....
>
> The Many
> The Once Proud
> The KISS Marines
>
> Remember it's never to late to serve! Fight The AXIS OF SHEEPLE!

I re-read it last summer after seeing it discussed here and finding a
cheap copy on Amazon. I second/third the reccomendations above. If
you're a KISS fan, it's fascinating.

Da Blue Guy

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Aug 28, 2012, 10:28:14 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 28, 2:14 am, FVH <jarjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a great book. I picked it back up for the first time in years the
> other day and it still holds up today. The Elder era section was my
> favorite part of the book.
>
> Put it this way--according to Lendt at first G&P were on board with
> helping him with the book, only to pull out when they discovered it
> wasn't a fluff piece. I'm not sure if all of the books include the
> Eric Carr interview bonus CD, but you should find a copy that comes
> with that. Eric doesn't remember a lot of facts but he does tell some
> interesting stories.
>
> I also like Dale Sherman's Black Diamond book. He did a TON of
> research and talks in detail about the band. I highly suggest you read
> that one too. He also wrote a BD 2, which is a collector's guide of
> sorts. I think he used to post in here years ago as well.
>
>> - Show quoted text -

I have a copy of Black Diamond buried in storage somewhere, I should
dig it out and read that one again too. I don't remember anything
about it.

FVH

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Aug 28, 2012, 1:43:15 PM8/28/12
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BD is a very detailed history of the band. It's what KISSTORY should
have been. The author uses old interviews and news stories to tell the
stories. It's not as in your face as KISS and Sell, but you do learn
some interesting things about the band's history.

AJ

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Aug 28, 2012, 1:53:08 PM8/28/12
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The interview is new, the book has been out for years. It's a good
book. Although I do question a lot of it. He was fired and maybe he
exaggerated on some things and I don't trust everything he talked
about. Especially things that happened with the band years after he
was fired and wasn't there to witness.
AND, since KISS went on to be bigger and merchandised even more, then
maybe KISS were right about firing him and the company he worked for.

*I'm talking about being bigger of a brand and company. Not bigger and
better in the fan's hearts and minds.

FVH

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Aug 28, 2012, 6:22:23 PM8/28/12
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On Aug 28, 12:53 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> The interview is new, the book has been out for years. It's a good book.  Although I do question a lot of it.

Of course you do because you fear the truth/reality.

> He was fired and maybe he exaggerated on some things and I don't trust everything he talked about.

He made it clear in the book he was fired, yet he was objective
throughout the book, dummy. You just can't accept the fact that your
heroes got EXPOSED.

> Especially things that happened with the band years after he was fired and wasn't there to witness.

Psst, he talked with people who were there like Eric Carr and other
members of the KISS circle. When he was talking about things that
happened after he was let go, he made it clear he was on the outside
looking in. Why do you fear reality so much, fat boy?

> AND, since KISS went on to be bigger and merchandised even more,

Um, no KISS peaked in 1977. The only time they were popular after that
was when they reunited. Why do you think they played that card when
they did? Because no one gave a damn about KISS. Idiot.

> then maybe KISS were right about firing him and the company he worked for.

They fired him because they were cutting costs, nothing more. They
were bleeding money and needed to get rid of everyone so they could
stay afloat. It's why they self managed themselves all those years.
You're so naive.

> *I'm talking about being bigger of a brand and company. Not bigger and better in the fan's hearts and minds.

LOL "brand"--you really believe everything Gene farts out. The KISS
"brand" peaked in 1977/78. I love how you refuse to accept reality
because you fear it. Loser.
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Hidell

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Aug 28, 2012, 11:44:28 PM8/28/12
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On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:17:21 AM UTC-4, FVH wrote:
> Yeah, why spend 3 grand on a book full of bullshit when you can get
>
> KISS and Sell for a couple of bucks used? Of course that couple of
>
> bucks won't help Gene add a new wing to his mansion...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Loved Kiss And Sell. There is one part in there where he goes off on a tangent about Diana Ross or something, which was agony to glaze over, but the rest is great. Interesting to read here that Bruce and Eric were pulling down 100k in the 80s!

Still can't comprehend the Monster book. Would love to get the sales stats on that but there's no way we'll ever hear how many were sold.

FVH

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Aug 30, 2012, 11:05:07 PM8/30/12
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If only they made KISS and Sell coffee table sized...
On Aug 28, 6:42 pm, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> But you will get the unbiased truth out of Lendt :)

FVH

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Aug 30, 2012, 11:12:33 PM8/30/12
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On Aug 28, 10:44 pm, Hidell <slicedm...@comcast.net> wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Loved Kiss And Sell.  There is one part in there where he goes off on a tangent about Diana Ross or something, which was agony to glaze over, but the rest is great.

Yeah, the parts about Cher & Diana Ross were a bore. I loved how he
broke down all the money KISS wasted, esp in the late 70s. Aucoin was
just as bad as Gene and Paul in that regard. The whole "Super KISS"
image they tried to maintain was both amusing and sad. Before reading
the book, I had no idea the Dynasty tour was such a failure for the
band. I always assumed that was one of their more successful tours.
Nope.

> Interesting to read here that Bruce and Eric were pulling down 100k in the 80s!

Yeah, that surprised me. I thought they were getting peanuts, but they
were actually getting a good paycheck. I don't remember what he said
about Vinnie's contract, but I assume he was making about the same. I
wonder what Singer and Thayer are pulling in? Probably around the
same, maybe a bit more.

> Still can't comprehend the Monster book.  Would love to get the sales stats on that but there's no way we'll ever hear how many were sold.

I wonder how many they produced? I know they are calling it a "limited
edition" book, but they can't be selling too many of those things.

Pete Madison

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Sep 2, 2012, 12:39:59 AM9/2/12
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It is a very good book. It truly shows you how lean the Kiss days in the
80's really were, and how they were barely breaking even.

I recall reading in another book (don't recall which one) that his
company was fired for embezzlement, but I don't know if I believe that.
His book was written very well, and while it may not be 100 percent
accurate, I find the book to be factual and informative.

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