Watched a Van Halen documentary on Netflix...
Tattoo Vampire
Gene stated that Aucoin had no interest in the band, so he gave them the
demo tape and wished them luck.
So much for his later claim that he "discovered" Van Halen.
--
Best regards,
[tv]
Owner, Trollus Amongus LLC
What foods these morsels be!
Saint John
<sit...@this.computer> wrote:
>... and there was a segment about Gene and the VH demo tape.
>
>Gene stated that Aucoin had no interest in the band, so he gave them the
>demo tape and wished them luck.
>
>So much for his later claim that he "discovered" Van Halen.
Is that "The Van Halen Story"? Would you recommend it?
I also discovered today that Netflix has a lot of guitar instructional
videos you can put on queue which is nice.
FVH
Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
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On Apr 22, 3:20 pm, Saint John <noticeofmeow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:13:36 -0400, Tattoo Vampire
>
FVH
Dandy Mangrum of Black Oak Arkansas and said VH would never make it.
Whoops!
AJ
>
> Gene stated that Aucoin had no interest in the band, so he gave them the
> demo tape and wished them luck.
>
> So much for his later claim that he "discovered" Van Halen.
Gene did first discover them and was the first to take them into a
studio and produced their first demo album. It was that demo album
they sent to numerous record labels that got them signed eventually.
Gene wanted to call the band "Daddy Long Legs."
FVH
"discovered" well before Gene caught one of their shows. They were on
everyone's radar at that point. And they already has a demo recorded
before Gene saw them. What Gene did was help them get a more
professional demo recorded and passed it along to Aucoin, who wasn't
interested. Gene's involvement with Van Halen was minimal. Quit
lapping up everything Gene tells you, fat fuck.
AJ
>
> - Show quoted text -
Van Halen themselves say differently, and I would trust Van Halen
knows more about Van Halen than you do:
http://www.classicvanhalen.com/bios.shtml
FVH
Besides, it say they got their break (which they did) from Gene, not
"discovered". Big difference. I've heard EVH and DLR both state in
interviews Gene's role in early VH. It's what I said it was--you know
reality. Idiot.
TheChris
news:704d8728-36da-4aa7...@a11g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
Some of his ideas have been the worst... What a stupid name for a band..
FVH
Halen.
FVH
Aucoin's talent evaluation skills has a lot of misses. For every KISS
and Billy Idol, there was Spider and Flipp. Aucoin's strength was
promoting/marketing, which nobody was better at, IMO. He had a knack
for finding niche bands who were more style than substance, which is
why he probably didn't think much of VH.
On Apr 22, 6:48 pm, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:30:20 -0700 (PDT), FVH <fvhisigno...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >If I remember correctly, Aucoin thought DLR looked too much like Jim
> >Dandy Mangrum of Black Oak Arkansas and said VH would never make it.
> >Whoops!
>
> The comparison was true, but since when is that a reason to write off
> a band. I think by '78 '79 the Kiss gravy train had fattened Aucoin's
> wallet and burnt him out all at once.
>
> db
> --
>
> Political discussions are like Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win,
> is not to play the game....
>
> The Many
> The Once Proud
> The KISS Marines
>
> Remember it's never to late to serve! Fight The AXIS OF SHEEPLE!
TheChris
news:7f88b8a5-c42e-492c...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com:
> They wanted to call themselves "Genesis" before Roth suggested Van
> Halen.
Is that true? Wasn't the other Genesis up and running before that? (I'm not a
Genesis fan).
TheChris
> They wanted to call themselves "Genesis" before Roth suggested Van
> Halen.
Wait - didn't they want to call themselves "Mammoth"??
Tattoo Vampire
> Is that "The Van Halen Story"? Would you recommend it?
Yeah, it was good. They also had one of Mark Farner's concerts as well, and
it was great. I saw several Kiss documentaries listed, too, but decided to
watch Clint Eastwood movies on AMC instead. =)
Tattoo Vampire
> If I remember correctly, Aucoin thought DLR looked too much like Jim
> Dandy Mangrum of Black Oak Arkansas and said VH would never make it.
> Whoops!
Yeah. Hell, I thought that myself the first time I saw Roth. He was Jim
Dandy without a southern accent.
They interviewed Jim Dandy, too. He said he was flattered that Roth had
obviously looked to him for inspiration.
Tattoo Vampire
> Gene did first discover them and was the first to take them into a
> studio and produced their first demo album. It was that demo album
> they sent to numerous record labels that got them signed eventually.
> Gene wanted to call the band "Daddy Long Legs."
I'll give him credit for that, but VH was already a rising act by the time
Gene saw them.
That demo didn't get them signed, either. Mo Astin and Ted Templeman of
Warner Bros. saw them perform in Hollywood and were so impressed they
offered them a contract.
Tattoo Vampire
> Is that true? Wasn't the other Genesis up and running before that? (I'm not a
> Genesis fan).
Yeah, but they had never heard of them. Once they found out, Roth came up
with them just using the brothers' last name for the band's name.
Tattoo Vampire
> Wait - didn't they want to call themselves "Mammoth"??
Mammoth was the band Eddie and Alex had before Roth came along. Once Roth
and Mike Anthony joined they decided on a name change, and picked "Genesis".
Tattoo Vampire
> That's not from VH themselves, dumbass. That's a fan written bio.
> Besides, it say they got their break (which they did) from Gene, not
> "discovered". Big difference. I've heard EVH and DLR both state in
> interviews Gene's role in early VH. It's what I said it was--you know
> reality. Idiot.
Gene was pretty wealthy by then. It's odd he didn't think to promote the
band himself, if he had that much confidence in their future.
I never knew how much Mike Anthony despised Roth until I watched that thing.
Of course, in Roth's book it was obvious he didn't care for Mike, since
throughout the entire book he just referred to Mike as "the bass player",
LOL.
FVH
Genesis, but once they found out about the other Genesis they changed
their name to Van Halen.
FVH
changed their name to Genesis. When Roth joined, they changed their
name to Van Halen.
FVH
out. And you can't go wrong with Eastwood.
FVH
paths in the 70s or 80s? Roth was a big fan, so I could see him making
an effort to meet Jim Dandy at some point.
FVH
for some reason didn't? I can't remember who it was, but I think some
big shot record exec saw them live before Gene did and passed on
signing them.
It was a LA DJ named Rodney Bingenheimer who took Gene to see VH for
the first time. I don't see how any big shot in the record industry
would have not wanted to sign them after seeing them live. They were
clearly something special and no one was doing what Eddie was doing at
the time. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but I would think it was clear
they weren't just "another band" even in their early stages.
FVH
thing. lol
FVH
> Gene was pretty wealthy by then. It's odd he didn't think to promote the
> band himself, if he had that much confidence in their future.
I always assumed he didn't have the time or experience to promote
them, so he handed them off to Aucoin in hopes of BA working with
them. I'm sure would have had some sort of stake in VH had Aucoin
agreed to manage them. I bet the VH experience gave him the
inspiration to manage and produce other bands.
Also too, I believe Gene. Paul. Ace, and Peter would have had to sign
off on any partnership between VH and Gene, since they were partners
in the KISS/Aucoin empire at the time. Perhaps they also played a part
in Aucoin turning them down? Maybe they thought Gene would be
distracted with VH & that would hurt the band. That pure speculation
on my part, though.
> I never knew how much Mike Anthony despised Roth until I watched that thing.
> Of course, in Roth's book it was obvious he didn't care for Mike, since
> throughout the entire book he just referred to Mike as "the bass player",
> LOL.
I never got why they hated each other, but it's clear they did (and
still do). I bet Roth thought Anthony didn't look "rock n roll" and I
can see anyone being turned off by DLR's personality. What surprises
me is how the VH brothers seem to dislike him nowadays. I didn't know
until recently that he was virtually a paid employee on the last Van
Hagar tour he was a part of. And they also took his name off the
writing credits from the Roth era back catalog when the re-newed their
record deal. I'm curious as to what happened between he and the
brothers.
That Roth book is great. I laughed everytime he referred to Mike as
"the bass player". Priceless. I want to read Hagar's new book, just to
read what shit he spews about VH.
Tattoo Vampire
> I'm curious as to what happened between he and the
> brothers.
He committed the sin of remaining friends with Sammy Hagar after the 2004
reunion imploded. Even worse, he played with Sammy on numerous occasions
while VH was dormant.
AJ
> Didn't Mo Astin see them before Gene did and wanted to sign them, but
> for some reason didn't? I can't remember who it was, but I think some
> big shot record exec saw them live before Gene did and passed on
> signing them.
So everybody saw Van Halen and passed on them, but Gene tried to get
them signed and took them into the studio? Yet Gene, Van Halen, and me
are still wrong?
TheChris
news:c03df0f0-ca0f-4d73...@q30g2000vbs.googlegroups.com:
> Eddie and Alex were in Mammoth. When Micheal Anthony joined they
> changed their name to Genesis. When Roth joined, they changed their
> name to Van Halen.
Hmmm, you learn something new every day! Never heard the Genesis story!
FVH
one way ticket to their doghouse. Poor Mike, he can't win no matter
what he does.
FVH
The band later changed its name to Genesis, then discovered the name
"Genesis" already was being used. So in 1974 "Genesis" officially
changed its name to "Van Halen". According to Roth, this was his
brainchild. He felt it was a name that had power, like Santana. They
played backyard parties and on a flatbed truck at Hamilton Park. Van
Halen played clubs in Pasadena and Hollywood to growing audiences,
increasing their popularity through self promotion: before each gig
they would pass out fliers at local high schools. This soon built them
a major following. Later that year, the band got its first break when
it was hired to play at Gazzarri's, a formerly famous but down-at-the-
heels night club on the Sunset Strip which closed in 1996.
Earlier, they had auditioned for the owner, Bill Gazzarri, but he
claimed they were "too loud", and would not hire them. But their new
managers, Mark Algorri and Mario Miranda, who had coincidentally taken
over Gazzarri's hiring, did the deal. Shortly afterwards, with their
managers they recorded their first demo tape at the now defunct
Cherokee Ranch Studios in Northridge where Steely Dan recently had
completed an album. Van Halen became a staple of the Los Angeles music
scene during the mid-1970s, playing at well-known clubs like the
Whisky a Go Go.
According to a January 4, 1977, L.A. Times article entitled HOMEGROWN
PUNK by Robert Hilburn, Rodney Bingenheimer saw Van Halen at the
Gazzarri club in the summer of 1976, so he took Gene Simmons of Kiss
to see Van Halen. Gene Simmons then produced a Van Halen demo tape
with recording beginning at the Village Recorder studios in Los
Angeles and finished with overdubs at the Electric Lady Studios in New
York. Simmons wanted to change the band's name to "Daddy Longlegs",
but the band stuck with Van Halen. Simmons then opted out of further
involvement after taking the demo to Kiss management and being told
that "they had no chance of making it" and that he wouldn't take them.
In mid-1977 Mo Ostin and Ted Templeman of Warner Brothers Records saw
Van Halen perform at the Starwood in Hollywood. Although the audience
was small, the two were so impressed with Van Halen that within a week
they offered the band a recording contract. The group recorded their
debut album at Sunset Sound Recorders studio in mid September to early
October 1977, recording guitar parts for one week and then recording
vocals for two additional weeks. All of the tracks were laid down with
little over-dubbing or double tracking. Minor mistakes were purposely
left on the record and a simple musical set-up was used to give the
record a live feel. During this time they continued to play various
venues in Southern California, including some notable concerts at the
Pasadena Convention Center produced by their promoter and impresario,
Steve Tortomasi, himself a fixture in the local rock and roll scene.
I'll dumb that down for--Gene stop working with the band BEFORE Mo
Astin and Ted Templeman saw & signed them. Gene's involvement was to
get them signed with KISS/Aucoin, but Aucoin didn't like them and
turned them down. After that, Gene stopped working with them.
You're wrong because you said Gene discovered them--he didn't
"discover" them--he helped them with their second demo and tried to
get Aucoin to sign the band. And VH was already well known within the
LA music scene long before Gene saw them live. Gene gets credit for
identifying VH as a band with potential and helping them get a 2nd
demo recorded, but nothing more. Quit lapping up everything Gene tells
you, Pop n Fresh.
FVH
Genesis before Roth told them. I'm guessing Eddie and Alex were so
busy with practicing and playing gigs that they didn't pay attention
what was playing on the radio at that time. Still, it's weird that
they never heard of a band who were already established at the time.
Tattoo Vampire
> So everybody saw Van Halen and passed on them, but Gene tried to get
> them signed and took them into the studio? Yet Gene, Van Halen, and me
> are still wrong?
When did Van Halen ever credit Gene for their success? They didn't even get
signed to Warners because of that demo - they were signed when they blew
Astin and Templeman away at a show.
TheChris
news:1pan7amkpuc01$.dlg@sitting.at.this.computer:
> FVH wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly, Aucoin thought DLR looked too much like Jim
>> Dandy Mangrum of Black Oak Arkansas and said VH would never make it.
>> Whoops!
>
> Yeah. Hell, I thought that myself the first time I saw Roth. He was Jim
> Dandy without a southern accent.
>
> They interviewed Jim Dandy, too. He said he was flattered that Roth had
> obviously looked to him for inspiration.
I look at it this way... In '78, when VH hit, I was around 14 years old. Thats
kind of the year you pick up everything like a sponge and form your musical
tastes.
Being that age, I had never even heard of BOA or Jim Dandy - they were way before
my time. I consided VH to be ground-breaking and exciting - A kick in the ass to
plod-rock. Tying them to BOA would have been death...
TheChris
news:c11199bb-9d98-4262...@c26g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
> It was a LA DJ named Rodney Bingenheimer who took Gene to see VH for
> the first time. I don't see how any big shot in the record industry
> would have not wanted to sign them after seeing them live. They were
> clearly something special and no one was doing what Eddie was doing at
> the time. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but I would think it was clear
> they weren't just "another band" even in their early stages.
>
Speaking of Rodney... If you got nothing to watch on your Netflix box, look for
"The Mayor of Sunset Strip". It's essentially a documentary about him.
Strange dude - but, what a great career he's had!
TheChris
news:5c86f2a6-ad4e-4190...@u26g2000vby.googlegroups.com:
> If you don't believe me, read this (or have someone read to you):
>
> The band later changed its name to Genesis, then discovered the name
> "Genesis" already was being used. So in 1974 "Genesis" officially
> changed its name to "Van Halen". According to Roth, this was his
> brainchild. He felt it was a name that had power, like Santana. They
> played backyard parties and on a flatbed truck at Hamilton Park. Van
> Halen played clubs in Pasadena and Hollywood to growing audiences,
> increasing their popularity through self promotion: before each gig
> they would pass out fliers at local high schools. This soon built them
> a major following. Later that year, the band got its first break when
> it was hired to play at Gazzarri's, a formerly famous but down-at-the-
> heels night club on the Sunset Strip which closed in 1996.
>
> Earlier, they had auditioned for the owner, Bill Gazzarri, but he
> claimed they were "too loud".... snip....
Reading this brings back a lot of cool/sad memories. Having played at Gazzarri's,
and talked with him - it just reminds me of how iconic that guy was. He was like
Sunset Strip Mafia! :)
I'm sure you all know - even though Gazzarri's closed - it's now the Key Club -
where Gene has held many a function...
TheChris
You think Gene was wealthy in '76? I thought they were squeaking by those first
few years... He had cred.... but, when exactly did he get wealthy?
Tattoo Vampire
> You think Gene was wealthy in '76? I thought they were squeaking by those first
> few years... He had cred.... but, when exactly did he get wealthy?
According to Kiss and Sell, as I recall, they had already made a boatload of
money by '76. I may be wrong, though. =)
FVH
FVH
early 80s LA and check out the rock/metal scene.
TheChris
news:bd6d4f0e-34da-4633...@j16g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
> If I could borrow Doc Brown's DeLorean, I would go back to late 70s/
> early 80s LA and check out the rock/metal scene.
Me as well. I lived out there for one year - but that year was '86/'87 - right when they were filming
"Decline of the Western Civilization Part II" - what a year it was - 2 of my roomates were in that movie!
TheChris
> TheChris wrote:
>
>> You think Gene was wealthy in '76? I thought they were squeaking by those first
>> few years... He had cred.... but, when exactly did he get wealthy?
>
> According to Kiss and Sell, as I recall, they had already made a boatload of
> money by '76. I may be wrong, though. =)
You might be right - I never thought of that... When I was 12 years old (in 76) I thought ALL rock stars
were millionaires.... even the local guys in my neighborhood :)
lab~rat >:-)
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> puked:
You and I are the same age. I remember thinking the same thing about
VH. I couldn't wait for their next album to come out to see how Eddie
raised the bar again. I have no clue who BOA is...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Da Blue Guy
> TheChris wrote:
> > Wait - didn't they want to call themselves "Mammoth"??
>
> Mammoth was the band Eddie and Alex had before Roth came along. Once Roth
> and Mike Anthony joined they decided on a name change, and picked "Genesis".
> Best regards,
> [tv]
> Owner, Trollus Amongus LLC
Anybody remember the misbegotten 80s metal “supergroup” Mammoth?
Somebody thought it would be a good idea to form a band with John
McCoy from Gillan, Nicky More from Samson, and 2 other fat guys, and
market them as a gimmick band of all fat guys. Hard to imagine why
THAT concept didn’t catch on! They released one surprisingly good pop-
metal album – I found it on cassette years ago at Amoeba Records – and
disappeared. I’ve always wished I could find the album on cd, but
I don’t think anyone ever bothered to issue it.
AJ
> Tattoo Vampire <sitt...@this.computer> wrote innews:8xol8zxz...@sitting.at.this.computer:
They didn't see real money till the success of ALIVE! By late 75 and
76 is when they were just starting to get rich. Other than items like
shirts and stuff you would buy at any concert, the merchandising
really didn't start till 77/78.
AJ
I read it many times over the years in different intrviews when they
were asked about Gene Simmons. Also, at one point, Eddie was
depressed and wanted to join KISS.
FVH
FVH
> I read it many times over the years in different intrviews when they were asked about Gene Simmons.
And in those interviews they never stated Gene "discovered" them,
they've always said Gene helped them with a 2nd demo. Since you can't
comprehend what you read, you took that as Gene "discovering" VH.
That, and you lap up everything Gene puts in front of you.
> Also, at one point, Eddie was depressed and wanted to join KISS.
According to Gene. And the way Gene tells it, EVH wasn't serious about
wanting to join KISS. He was blowing off steam. And that has nothing
to do with your original claim that Gene "discovered" VH. I'm not
surprised you're trying to change the subject because you're
embarrassed you got schooled by your "enemy". Priceless.
83LowRider
>> Being that age, I had never even heard of BOA or Jim Dandy - they
>> were way before my time. I consided VH to be ground-breaking and
>> exciting - A kick in the ass to plod-rock. Tying them to BOA would
>> have been death...
Black Oak Arkansas put on a helluva show. No doubt that Roth
had modeled himself after Jim Dandy, and the loudest concert
I've ever been to as well.
> You and I are the same age. I remember thinking the same thing about
> VH. I couldn't wait for their next album to come out to see how Eddie
> raised the bar again. I have no clue who BOA is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3NH8gSrMs&feature=related
You were speaking of a piece of tape coming with the FF album
recently. When I bought my first BOA album it came with a certificate
for one square inch of property in Black Oak..... I should go and try
to stake my claim. :) I saw them in January of '74 right after they
picked up Tommy Aldridge as their new drummer.
http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x312/83lowrider/Concert%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=ConcertStub-BlackOakArkansas1974.jpg
83LowRider
> Anybody remember the misbegotten 80s metal “supergroup” Mammoth?
> Somebody thought it would be a good idea to form a band with John
> McCoy from Gillan, Nicky More from Samson, and 2 other fat guys, and
> market them as a gimmick band of all fat guys. Hard to imagine why
> THAT concept didn’t catch on! They released one surprisingly good pop-
> metal album – I found it on cassette years ago at Amoeba Records – and
> disappeared. I’ve always wished I could find the album on cd, but
> I don’t think anyone ever bothered to issue it.
Sometimes you just need to ask...
Mammoth... mp3 (rarred)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JE5X620G
Not sure if this is ripped from vinyl or cassette
as there was no such info when I received it.
Da Blue Guy
> Da Blue Guy wrote:
> > Anybody remember the misbegotten 80s metal supergroup Mammoth?
> > Somebody thought it would be a good idea to form a band with John
> > McCoy from Gillan, Nicky More from Samson, and 2 other fat guys, and
> > market them as a gimmick band of all fat guys. Hard to imagine why
> > THAT concept didn t catch on! They released one surprisingly good pop-
> > metal album I found it on cassette years ago at Amoeba Records and
> > disappeared. I ve always wished I could find the album on cd, but
> > I don t think anyone ever bothered to issue it.
>
> Sometimes you just need to ask...
>
>
> Not sure if this is ripped from vinyl or cassette
> as there was no such info when I received it.
Thanks!! Me happy now.
Tattoo Vampire
> Black Oak Arkansas put on a helluva show. No doubt that Roth
> had modeled himself after Jim Dandy, and the loudest concert
> I've ever been to as well.
Yeah, they were a great live band. I forget the name of the live album they
put out, but it was damned good.
TheChris
Which is another oddity, because I really kept my eye on Aldridge throughout all
his great gigs with Travers, MARRS, Ozzy, etc...
I guess I just thought they were Southern Rock - and that did NOT sit well with
my Venom and Witchfinder General LPs back then :)
The ONLY time I heard about BOA was years later when I started getting into
Shawn Lane - and he mentioned that he played with them when he was very young.
TheChris
news:e387f89d-f9ea-45d7...@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com:
They were in KERRANG all the time...Pages of John McCoy in overalls :)
83LowRider
> Which is another oddity, because I really kept my eye on Aldridge
> throughout all his great gigs with Travers, MARRS, Ozzy, etc...
>
> I guess I just thought they were Southern Rock - and that did NOT sit
> well with my Venom and Witchfinder General LPs back then :)
>
> The ONLY time I heard about BOA was years later when I started
> getting into Shawn Lane - and he mentioned that he played with them
> when he was very young.
BOA was a hard band to categorize. They played the Orlando
area fairly often in the early '70s and always put on a helluva
show. I think it was a new years eve show that left me almost
deaf for three days. Always high energy tho and there was no
doubt, upon seeing Roth for the first time, that he was kinda
doin' the Jim Dandy thang.. And speaking of Pat Travers and
Aldridge, I was there when they played The Great Southern Music
Hall which was used (partially) for the Go For What You Know
album. Truly the glory days of rock!!!
TheChris
Lucky you - that is probably in my top five of greatest Live albums EVER! I
once sat down and talked to Pat Thrall about that album for an hour. He
maintains that nothing was worked out in advance :)
I've seen BOA videos recently - it truly is like seeing Roth. He would NEVER
have gotten away with that these days with all the media outlets. Glory Days of
Rock indeed! :)
Busboy Jefe
> Van Halen themselves say differently, and I would trust Van Halen
> knows more about Van Halen than you do:http://www.classicvanhalen.com/bios.shtml
That's not an official VH site, and they're not quoting anyone in VH
when they say:
"On the strength of Simmons' recommendation, as legend has it, Van
Halen was signed to Warner Bros."
Note key words: as legend has it. That "legend" has been debunked.
Besides, if you're going to try and give weight to the Simmons
connection, you really need to credit Rod Bingenheimer with
"discovering" VH. He was the one that took Simmons to see them in the
first place.
El Jefe
Busboy Jefe
> > Gene did first discover them and was the first to take them into a
> > studio and produced their first demo album. It was that demo album
> > they sent to numerous record labels that got them signed eventually.
> > Gene wanted to call the band "Daddy Long Legs."
>
> Some of his ideas have been the worst... What a stupid name for a band..
Considering his track record with bands, VH is lucky they chose not to
follow his advice.
El Jefe
Busboy Jefe
> Didn't Mo Astin see them before Gene did and wanted to sign them, but
> for some reason didn't? I can't remember who it was, but I think some
> big shot record exec saw them live before Gene did and passed on
> signing them.
>
> It was a LA DJ named Rodney Bingenheimer who took Gene to see VH for
> the first time.
Ah, I should have read the whole thread before posting earlier. Yeah,
Bingenheimer should get the credit for discovering VH, not Simmons.
Bingenheimer has a long history of finding good bands.
Chaim has a history of *thinking* he's found good bands...
El Jefe
TheChris
news:30d2eb70-f6ad-4d58...@a19g2000prj.googlegroups.com:
Tell me about it... I don't even know if you know the half of it...
EZO
Wendy O Williams
Keel
House of Lords
There's probably a dozen more I'm forgetting....
Tattoo Vampire
> Ah, I should have read the whole thread before posting earlier. Yeah,
> Bingenheimer should get the credit for discovering VH, not Simmons.
> Bingenheimer has a long history of finding good bands.
>
> Chaim has a history of *thinking* he's found good bands...
I just hope the rumor of a new VH album this year pans out. I don't give a
shit about the past drama. Dave and Eddie need to be working together. I
never saw them during the reunion tour, but there's plenty of video on
Youtube. They sounded good and it looked like Dave and Eddie were happy to
be onstage together again. Yeah, I know Mike Anthony got fucked, so save
it... ;-)
FVH
sees "Gene Simmons" and "Van Halen" in the same sentence and thinks
that Gene discovered VH. VH didn't need Gene, as proven when they were
signed almost immediately after Gene stopped working with them. They
were going to be signed to a record deal with or without Gene--they
were too good and Eddie was doing things no one else was doing at the
time. This whole Gene "discovered" VH was a lie started by Gene, much
like the lie that KISS has outsold the Beatles when KISS hasn't had
their albums sales counted by the RIAA in years.
FVH
rawness of their sound, among other things. Roth knew early on that
Gene was full of shit and made it clear that they were to do things
their way. Roth knew that Eddie was the one who was going to propel
the band, which is why he didn't give a shit what he sang, as long as
EVH was playing a killer solo behind it. Roth wanted to record cover
songs for that reason. Gene had no choice but to say ok because he
knew he had a home run on his hands. Bill Aucoin pulled the plug on
Gene's involvement and the rest history.
FVH
would stand to reason that 2 or 3 of us would post the same thing.
Gene spews the same "discovering" lie with Motley Crue. Like with VH,
he advised them early in their career and let them borrow parts of old
KISS costumes to use for their early look (hence the "thank you" he
got on Shout at the Devil), but that's about it. Gene just happened to
be in the LA area at a time where rock/metal was exploding onto the
scene and happened to catch a couple of bands before they hit it big.
Of course he likes to say he "discovered" these bands, but non sheep
know the truth.
FVH
willing to advise/help them get started, but I suspect once they
started hearing Gene ramble on and on they quickly grew tired of him.
Gene has a problem of thinking he knows more than he actually does.
Broncofan
<sit...@this.computer> wrote:
>83LowRider wrote:
>
>> Black Oak Arkansas put on a helluva show. No doubt that Roth
>> had modeled himself after Jim Dandy, and the loudest concert
>> I've ever been to as well.
>
>Yeah, they were a great live band. I forget the name of the live album they
>put out, but it was damned good.
Tatt, I won a trivia contest one time.The question was name the rock
and roll band with over 12 studio releases that have had the most
members. The answer was Black Oak Arkansas. I won the infamous
internet no prize. I did it without looking it up.
TheChris
news:2c065b44-0ff5-478c...@m13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> These bands were probably grateful that someone established was
> willing to advise/help them get started, but I suspect once they
> started hearing Gene ramble on and on they quickly grew tired of him.
> Gene has a problem of thinking he knows more than he actually does.
Oh, and I totally agree with you there - If Simmons called me up tomorrow - I'd
sign with his label.
It ultimately falls to the bands to be good or bad.
I just don't think he knows how to 'pick em'.
lab~rat >:-)
<a...@ddresswilldo.com> puked:
Not so sure what I think of those guys. I wasn't blown away but it
was ok. As for the property, I guess the best thing you could do is
prevent anyone from selling it...
lab~rat >:-)
<a...@ddresswilldo.com> puked:
>TheChris wrote:
>
>> Which is another oddity, because I really kept my eye on Aldridge
>> throughout all his great gigs with Travers, MARRS, Ozzy, etc...
>>
>> I guess I just thought they were Southern Rock - and that did NOT sit
>> well with my Venom and Witchfinder General LPs back then :)
>>
>> The ONLY time I heard about BOA was years later when I started
>> getting into Shawn Lane - and he mentioned that he played with them
>> when he was very young.
>
>BOA was a hard band to categorize.
That clip you posted sounded like Skynyrd or Molly Hatchet.
> They played the Orlando
>area fairly often in the early '70s and always put on a helluva
>show. I think it was a new years eve show that left me almost
>deaf for three days. Always high energy tho and there was no
>doubt, upon seeing Roth for the first time, that he was kinda
>doin' the Jim Dandy thang.. And speaking of Pat Travers and
>Aldridge, I was there when they played The Great Southern Music
>Hall which was used (partially) for the Go For What You Know
>album. Truly the glory days of rock!!!
>
--
lab~rat >:-)
<sit...@this.computer> puked:
I saw them and thought they needed a new album behind them. They
sounded like shit from the rafters of the Panther stadium, but not so
sure that was their fault.
Tattoo Vampire
> Tatt, I won a trivia contest one time.The question was name the rock
> and roll band with over 12 studio releases that have had the most
> members. The answer was Black Oak Arkansas. I won the infamous
> internet no prize. I did it without looking it up.
That's pretty cool!
AJ
Back in the mid/late 90's Black Oak Arkansas used to play a club close
to you in Princeton very often. The name of the club was called
Rockers. I wish that club was still open. I saw some great bar bands
there and great tribute bands. I don't remember the name of the guy,
but one night they had a great Alice Cooper tribute act.
AJ
>
> EZO
> Wendy O Williams
> Keel
> House of Lords
>
> There's probably a dozen more I'm forgetting....
I honestly liked all four of those bands back in the day.
AJ
> I just hope the rumor of a new VH album this year pans out. I don't give a
> shit about the past drama. Dave and Eddie need to be working together. I
> never saw them during the reunion tour, but there's plenty of video on
> Youtube. They sounded good and it looked like Dave and Eddie were happy to
> be onstage together again. Yeah, I know Mike Anthony got fucked, so save
> it... ;-)
I agree. To me, Eddie and Dave are VH. I don't really care who's
drumming or playing bass. Yeah I know Michael Anthony and Alex are
fucking great.
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
To be honest, Michael never did anything to impress me. I mean, he
played bass, but nothing much more than just hitting the notes. I
don't think anyone really thought of him as a standout musician in any
sense. As for Alex, he sounds fine to me, but I spend 99% of my
playing with a drum machine or a keyboard behind me, so I'm really not
one to judge drummers...
AJ
> Heh, I did the same thing. VH's history is common knowledge, so it
> would stand to reason that 2 or 3 of us would post the same thing.
>
> Gene spews the same "discovering" lie with Motley Crue. Like with VH,
> he advised them early in their career and let them borrow parts of old
> KISS costumes to use for their early look (hence the "thank you" he
> got on Shout at the Devil), but that's about it. Gene just happened to
> be in the LA area at a time where rock/metal was exploding onto the
> scene and happened to catch a couple of bands before they hit it big.
> Of course he likes to say he "discovered" these bands, but non sheep
> know the truth.
The truth:
1. Gene has never claimed he discovered Motley Crue but has many times
mentioned that KISS let Crue open for them on their first American
tour. Big difference.
2. I've been a life long Crue fan and have never seen one pic of any
member of Crue wearing any piece of any old KISS costume. If this is
true, then please provide proof.
3. I pulled out my vinyl first pressing, my cassette version, and my
CD of Shout At The Devil, nowhere on this album is Gene Simmons' name
mentioned. There are some variations in the credits, but again, none
mentioned Gene Simmons. The Kiss Organization is mentioned, but
probably only because they were on tour with KISS. Again, nowhere is
Gene Simmons name mentioned.
I only own the three versions mentioned above. I do not own the
remastered version of this album. If that version mentions Gene
Simmons, please provide proof.
4. Mick Marrs hates KISS and I seriously doubt he would ever wear
anything a member of KISS ever wore.
steveh99
@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
Roth and VH are working on a new album as we speak!
A friend of mine met Roth at a dog show a while back ago and Dave told
em it would be some weeks aaway but an album is in the works
83LowRider
> was ok. As for the property, I guess the best thing you could do is
> prevent anyone from selling it...
I was gonna put a 'For Sale' sign on it but the pole exceeded
the square inch and I didn't want to pay a squatting fee. :)
83LowRider
>> BOA was a hard band to categorize.
>
> That clip you posted sounded like Skynyrd or Molly Hatchet.
Certainly much of their music fell into that category.
His gravelly voice was kind of unique and carried
that certain 'redneck' quality to it.
AJ
> He wanted to call the band Daddy Longlegs and tried to change the
> rawness of their sound, among other things. Roth knew early on that
> Gene was full of shit and made it clear that they were to do things
> their way. Roth knew that Eddie was the one who was going to propel
> the band, which is why he didn't give a shit what he sang, as long as
> EVH was playing a killer solo behind it. Roth wanted to record cover
> songs for that reason. Gene had no choice but to say ok because he
> knew he had a home run on his hands. Bill Aucoin pulled the plug on
> Gene's involvement and the rest history.
Then Eddie wanted to join KISS. LOL!
83LowRider
>> I just hope the rumor of a new VH album this year pans out. I don't
>> give a shit about the past drama. Dave and Eddie need to be working
>> together. I never saw them during the reunion tour, but there's
>> plenty of video on Youtube. They sounded good and it looked like
>> Dave and Eddie were happy to be onstage together again. Yeah, I know
>> Mike Anthony got fucked, so save it... ;-)
>
> I saw them and thought they needed a new album behind them. They
> sounded like shit from the rafters of the Panther stadium, but not so
> sure that was their fault.
Sound was an issue at almost every venue it seems.
Roth was unusually quiet during the reunion, doing
little or no press. I think Eddie told him to keep his
mouth shut and Dave actually complied. As steve
mentioned tho, an album is supposedly in the works.
Much like any new album from an old band, I'm not
holding my breath waiting for another classic to emerge.
83LowRider
> Gotta love the prices we paid back in the day, and the value we got
> for our money!!!!
I paid 12 bucks to see Pink Floyd on the Animals tour.
I remember being a bit pissed prices had exceeded
ten bucks. A candy bar and a Coke would likely cost
that now.
AJ
> rawness of their sound,
I disagree. The VH songs Gene produced are a hell of a lot rawer than
what ended up being on the first album IMO.
FVH
signed or they didn't want to work with him.
FVH
> The truth:
You attempting to tell the truth is like you saying you only ate half
that pie.
> 1. Gene has never claimed he discovered Motley Crue but has many times
> mentioned that KISS let Crue open for them on their first American
> tour. Big difference.
Actually, he has claimed he "discovered" Motley. Much like with VH, he
stretches the truth when he talks about his early involvement with MC.
You, being the blind, fat sheep, can't bring yourself to admit that.
> 2. I've been a life long Crue fan and have never seen one pic of any
> member of Crue wearing any piece of any old KISS costume. If this is
> true, then please provide proof.
I guess Nikki Sixx must have been lying in the Dirt. Have someone read
that book to you. You only see what you want to see, fat fuck.
> 3. I pulled out my vinyl first pressing, my cassette version, and my
> CD of Shout At The Devil, nowhere on this album is Gene Simmons' name
> mentioned. There are some variations in the credits, but again, none
> mentioned Gene Simmons. The Kiss Organization is mentioned, but
> probably only because they were on tour with KISS. Again, nowhere is
> Gene Simmons name mentioned.
KISS, Gene, same thing, fat ass. I love how you want to prove me wrong
so badly, that you waddled over to your copies (who the fuck has
multiple copies of the same album?) of Shout at the Devil to see if I
was right. Still embarrassed about me schooling you on VH, eh?
> I only own the three versions mentioned above. I do not own the
> remastered version of this album. If that version mentions Gene
> Simmons, please provide proof.
I said it, so it's true. I don't need to prove anything. Besides, you
proved it for me--they did thank KISS on Shout, like I said.
> 4. Mick Marrs hates KISS and I seriously doubt he would ever wear
> anything a member of KISS ever wore.
If you're such a fan you'd know his name is Mick Mars, not Mick Marrs.
LOL! I love how you're trying to school me on a band you don't even
know the members' names. LOL!!!
FVH
What most likely happened was Eddie was in the studio while KISS was
recording COTN, and while blowing off steam, said something like,
"Man, I'd love to join KISS!". Gene, being Gene, stretches the truth
and tries to make it seem like EVH was seriously wanting to join KISS.
Of course sheep like you lap that shit up like it's candy and swear by
it. Matter of fact, if you have someone read Gene's book to you he
half ass admits that he didn't think EVH was serious and was blowing
off steam.
Keep hanging on to the lie, Pop n Fresh. Much like the lie I'm "Jarid
Jones" you can't let go because that would require you to face--GASP--
reality.
FVH
your throat, Humpty Dumpty. Ted Templeton recorded VH like the band
was playing live. In fact, he purposely kept the small mistakes in
some of the songs to capture a RAW/live sound. Gene's demo is more
polished. Have someone with an ear for music walk you through both VH
1 and Gene's demo and explain what I'm saying to you.
Da Blue Guy
I liked HoL when Greg Guiffria was in the band. Actully I liked them
*because* he was in the band. I liked WOW for the obvious reasons
(plus she was an interesting interview) but honestly don't think I
ever heard her solo stuff.
Tattoo Vampire
> Back in the mid/late 90's Black Oak Arkansas used to play a club close
> to you in Princeton very often. The name of the club was called
> Rockers. I wish that club was still open. I saw some great bar bands
> there and great tribute bands. I don't remember the name of the guy,
> but one night they had a great Alice Cooper tribute act.
I remember Rocker's. :-)
Tattoo Vampire
> Roth and VH are working on a new album as we speak!
> A friend of mine met Roth at a dog show a while back ago and Dave told
> em it would be some weeks aaway but an album is in the works
The producer, John Shanks, tweeted about it back in Jan and posted a pic of
Eddie's amp in the studio.
Tattoo Vampire
> Then Eddie wanted to join KISS. LOL!
I really don't think that would have ever happened, he was probably just
venting. With his ego, do you think Eddie would have wanted to be a second
banana?
Tattoo Vampire
> I disagree. The VH songs Gene produced are a hell of a lot rawer than
> what ended up being on the first album IMO.
Eddie's guitar didn't sound nearly as good on the demos, though...
AJ
> AJ wrote:
> > Then Eddie wanted to join KISS. LOL!
>
> I really don't think that would have ever happened, he was probably just
> venting. With his ego, do you think Eddie would have wanted to be a second
> banana?
Who knows at that time.
AJ
> AJ wrote:
> > I disagree. The VH songs Gene produced are a hell of a lot rawer than
> > what ended up being on the first album IMO.
>
> Eddie's guitar didn't sound nearly as good on the demos, though...
In your opinion, which version was more rawer?
AJ
> On Apr 26, 10:50 am, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > The truth:
>
> You attempting to tell the truth is like you saying you only ate half
> that pie.
>
> > 1. Gene has never claimed he discovered Motley Crue but has many times
> > mentioned that KISS let Crue open for them on their first American
> > tour. Big difference.
>
> Actually, he has claimed he "discovered" Motley. Much like with VH, he
> stretches the truth when he talks about his early involvement with MC.
> You, being the blind, fat sheep, can't bring yourself to admit that.
Proof please?
>
> > 2. I've been a life long Crue fan and have never seen one pic of any
> > member of Crue wearing any piece of any old KISS costume. If this is
> > true, then please provide proof.
>
> I guess Nikki Sixx must have been lying in the Dirt. Have someone read
> that book to you. You only see what you want to see, fat fuck.
Page number please. I've got the book and have read it. I don't
remember that.
> > 3. I pulled out my vinyl first pressing, my cassette version, and my
> > CD of Shout At The Devil, nowhere on this album is Gene Simmons' name
> > mentioned. There are some variations in the credits, but again, none
> > mentioned Gene Simmons. The Kiss Organization is mentioned, but
> > probably only because they were on tour with KISS. Again, nowhere is
> > Gene Simmons name mentioned.
>
> KISS, Gene, same thing, fat ass.
Nope.
>I love how you want to prove me wrong
> so badly,
Which I just did.
>that you waddled over to your copies (who the fuck has
> multiple copies of the same album?) of Shout at the Devil to see if I
> was right.
A collector/fan/that owns a record store with multiple copies at hand.
> Still embarrassed about me schooling you on VH, eh?
You haven't.
> > I only own the three versions mentioned above. I do not own the
> > remastered version of this album. If that version mentions Gene
> > Simmons, please provide proof.
>
> I said it, so it's true. I don't need to prove anything. Besides, you
> proved it for me--they did thank KISS on Shout, like I said.
Not what you said and the topic is Gene Simmons.
> > 4. Mick Marrs hates KISS and I seriously doubt he would ever wear
> > anything a member of KISS ever wore.
>
> If you're such a fan you'd know his name is Mick Mars, not Mick Marrs.
Typo, big deal.
> LOL! I love how you're trying to school me on a band you don't even
> know the members' names. LOL!!!
Been a fan longer than you been out of diapers.
FVH
with a shred of common sense and isn't a KISS butt crack sniffer knows
that EVH isn't leaving, what was at the time, the biggest band in rock
n roll for a band that was all but dead. Idiot.
FVH
> Proof please?
I said it, so it's true. Read up on Motley Crue, the band you claim to
be such a big fan of. You are a BIG fan, but your weight has nothing
to do with how much you know about the band.
> Page number please. I've got the book and have read it. I don't remember that.
Of course you don't because a) you've never read it, and b) what
little you might have read of it, you couldn't comprehend. Like I
said, have someone read that book to you and get back to me.
>> KISS, Gene, same thing, fat ass.
> Nope.
Yes.
>> I love how you want to prove me wrong so badly,
> Which I just did.
Only in your fat eyes.
> A collector/fan/that owns a record store with multiple copies at hand.
Or in your case, an obsessive type who has to have everything released
by a band whose ass cracks he sniffs.
>> Still embarrassed about me schooling you on VH, eh?
> You haven't.
LOL! Still won't admit you were wrong about your claim Gene
"discovered" VH? You don't have to--this thread has done the admitting
for you.
> Not what you said and the topic is Gene Simmons.
KISS and Gene Simmons go hand in hand. And the topic is Gene claiming
he "discovered" Motley--which he has. You've yet to prove he hasn't
said it.
>> If you're such a fan you'd know his name is Mick Mars, not Mick Marrs.
> Typo, big deal.
You call it a "typo", the rest of the world calls it you not knowing
Mick Mars' actual stage name.
> Been a fan longer than you been out of diapers.
Rather you've been a groupie. A fan knows members' names. You proven
you aren't a fan. Hell, casual fans know Mick Mars' name.