Busboy Jefe wrote:
> Let me ask you this.
You ask me far more than you answer me... but okay.
> What in the Manchin/Toomey proposal did you
> disagree with? This was crafted by two moderate gun rights supporters,
> after all. What specifically was an affront to you about it?
I said in another recent post that if we were to require
background checks at gun shows that I wouldn't
complain too loudly... so that addresses the main
point of their bill. But let's go on with it --
"As under current law, transfers between family, friends
and neighbors do not require background checks. You
can give or sell a gun to your brother, your neighbor,
your co-worker without a background check. You can
post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your
church or your job without a background check,"
Their bill then says - as long as the sale was not
advertised online or in a publication that a background
check will not be required. Okaaaaay... so what the
hell is this gaining us? Let's say a guy has a record and
cannot legally own a gun. So now (if the bill passes)
the guy cannot go to a gun show, but he can buy
from an individual. My local sporting goods/gun shop
has a bulletin board devoted to nothing but customers
putting up their used guns for sale. He can still get a
gun from a family member, a guy off the street, a friend
or a co-worker. What the hell has this portion of the bill
really accomplished? A man wanting a gun WILL find a
gun. In ANY country, including those where penalties
are VERY severe. If gun shows are the objective, let
them draft a bill strictly dealing with gun shows. Even
then tho, many will say it is simply an attempt (like
many other things) to take just a liiiiiiiittle more control.
Another part of the bill - "a specific ban on a gun registry".
Many years ago I bought a pistol from a very good
friend that worked in a gun store. It was policy then
(and still today AFAIK) that the required paperwork
would not leave his possession. That is to say that no
record of the transaction would be given to federal
authorities. Well, that was all fine and good until a few
years later when the shop went out of business. When
I asked about records I was then told that the owner
was required to hand them over to the BTF (Bureau of
Tobacco and Firearms). Now -- SUPPOSEDLY the
BTF just 'sits' on this info and doesn't "use" it. I call
bullshit. The state of NY has since then used such
records to locate and claim firearms. Altho this bill says
there would be "extra" enforcement of the gov't not
having a registry --> it's a paper trail that can be
over-ruled against later or used by the gov't regardless
of the law. Kinda like they're not supposed to target
specific groups within the IRS or they're not supposed
to steal AP records.
Lastly -- it proposes "the creation of a commission to
study the causes of violence, including mental health,
guns, school safety and portrayals of violence in the media."
Well fuck... there's another 20 million or more wasted.
Haven't we examined video games and tv and movies
hundreds of times already? And to what conclusion?
School safety? What can they possibly do to add to
school safety that isn't already being examined/done?
> You posted some links to extreme and ridiculous proposals/no tolerance
> rules. So does that mean we shouldn't try to enact sensible law? Some
> dope has has a problem with a pastry, but despite the fact that his
> bill will likely go nowhere, fuck background checks? I really don't
> understand that mentality.
The point was very simple. When we legislate by emotion
rather than logic we get to the point where we just turn stupid.
There's numerous of those types of stories of kids being
sent home for an aspirin in their purse or a pop tart shaped
into a pistol, or pointing a finger and going 'bang bang'.
It's no different than mandatory sentences and putting a
first time offender in prison for twenty years. (I just watched
the movie Snitch)
> I again find it fascinating that you're fretting about legislating
> every aspect of our lives when it comes to this, but seem perfectly
> fine with laws being proposed in which a woman would be be required to
> have a wand jammed up her twat before she has an abortion. Are you
> really more offended by the pastry shit?
You've either got a really bad memory or choose to forget.
I've said many times that abortion is a decision to be left with
the woman. That is not to say that I agree with abortion in
general... no one "likes" abortion. I also don't agree much
with late-term abortions. But it doesn't affect me, nor any
other man having no relationship with the <pregnant> woman.
> And like DBG, I really couldn't give a shit what some rural sheriffs
> think.
That's because you don't see their reasoning. Almost every
sheriff in CO is against stricter laws. You know why? Because
they are making criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens.
Because it isn't practical to enforce it. Because it won't make
one damn bit of difference in crime. A man willing to break the
laws against murder sure as hell ain't going to give a damn about
the gun laws.