***Important question for Debbie fans***
Daniel Burger
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has ever purchased any cds from Jennifer
Yeko? I sent her my order over a month ago and have not recieved
anything yet. I am not accussing her of any wrong doing (yet). I
simply want to know if anyone else has had any experience dealing with
her mail order merchandise?
Thank you
JENNIFER FREEMAN
I ordered a BTL t-shirt from Myra and I received it in about a week.
Talk about fast service! No complaints here. Keep up the GREAT work Myra!
JEN =)
Michael John Falkner
Daniel Burger (bur...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Hello,
Let me put it this way: Jennifer is a very busy woman on that end of the
spectrum, and what she does will take time -- sometimes a lot of it. I'm
not going to go to the wall and 100% defend her, but I do think that if
she's going to go as far into that as she has, she has to be prepared to go
a bit faster.
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Shaun Stuart
In article <4p5ab9$u...@uwm.edu>,
mfal...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Michael John Falkner) wrote:
>Daniel Burger (bur...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: Hello,
>: I was wondering if anyone has ever purchased any cds from Jennifer
>: Yeko? I sent her my order over a month ago and have not recieved
I've bought stuff from her with no problems at all.
>Let me put it this way: Jennifer is a very busy woman on that end of the
>spectrum, and what she does will take time -- sometimes a lot of it. I'm
>not going to go to the wall and 100% defend her, but I do think that if
>she's going to go as far into that as she has, she has to be prepared to go
>a bit faster.
As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
has. I ordered the Debbie compilation video she offered to people back in 1995
and I have yet to receive it, almost 8 months later, despite repeated
requests. Eight months to copy a two hour video seems a wee bit excessive to
me. And keep in mind that Eric, an intern at SBK Records, provided her with a
copy of a video from the last album with the expressed intent of getting it
distributed to the fans. Now there is already talk about Deb's next album and
I have yet to see the video from the last one. I'm sure Eric was hoping it
would be distributed in a more timely manner.
Let me also add that I have dealt with Myra in the past and have never had
this bad of a problem before. I'm just pointing it out because however long
anyone has had to wait for something from Jennifer pales compared to this.
Shaun
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blah blah blah
Michael John Falkner
Shaun Stuart (sh...@netvoyage.net) wrote:
: As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
: has.
That's your affair -- largely, while Myra and I did trade, etc., there was
no lack of speed. I think the same thing could be said of Myra [that she's
busy, etc.] as could be said of Jennifer, except that Myra has not gotten in
as deeply to that end of the story [taking out ads in Goldmine, etc.] than
Jennifer has.
: I ordered the Debbie compilation video she offered to people back in 1995
: and I have yet to receive it, almost 8 months later, despite repeated
: requests. Eight months to copy a two hour video seems a wee bit excessive to
: me. And keep in mind that Eric, an intern at SBK Records, provided her with a
: copy of a video from the last album with the expressed intent of getting it
: distributed to the fans.
Are we talking the first video or the second one? I'm assuming the first.
: Let me also add that I have dealt with Myra in the past and have never had
: this bad of a problem before. I'm just pointing it out because however long
: anyone has had to wait for something from Jennifer pales compared to this.
And as I said above, I think many of the same things as far as being busy
and all, that I said about Jen can be said about Myra as well.
Myra Wong
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960605225658.15633A-100000@tucker>,
JENNIFER FREEMAN <jfreema@tucker> wrote:
>I ordered a BTL t-shirt from Myra and I received it in about a week.
>Talk about fast service! No complaints here. Keep up the GREAT work Myra!
Unfortunately, some people _are_ suffering from slow service from me.
I am trying my best to make tapes and send everyone's stuff out, but
it's tough with school and work. I'm going to put a hold on new requests
for about two weeks to hopefully clear out the whole queue. (This
doesn't include BtL t-shirts.)
--
Myra Wong /\ P.O.Box 927325 /\ "I'm reading 'Between the
mkw...@ucsd.edu \/ San Diego CA 92192 \/ Lines'..." Are you?
Shaun Stuart
In article <4p7lfp$l...@uwm.edu>,
>
>: As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
>: has.
>That's your affair -- largely, while Myra and I did trade, etc., there was
Well no kidding! Someone asked about Jennifer's service and you commented on
your experience with her and with Myra. I did the same thing.
Further, I have received email from others that are currently having excessive
delays from Myra. This would indicate to me that, at this time, long delays
from Myra are the norm. I also mentioned that in the past, this was not the
norm.
>no lack of speed. I think the same thing could be said of Myra [that she's
>busy, etc.] as could be said of Jennifer, except that Myra has not gotten in
>as deeply to that end of the story [taking out ads in Goldmine, etc.] than
How they advertise was never being discussed, only their speed of service.
>And as I said above, I think many of the same things as far as being busy
>and all, that I said about Jen can be said about Myra as well.
And you see nothing unusual in the fact that it is taking over 8 months to
copy a 2 hour video tape? You believe someone's schedule can be that full for
that long? No free two hours in 8 months? Hell, you don't even need to full
hours - you can start the tape then go off to do something else! The only
excuse for that big of delay, in my mind, is if she was pregnant. Add to the
fact that, at approximately the 4 month mark, she advertised a second video
compilation she was making, and the lack of time management skills are readily
apparent.
Now, having said that, let me also say that this is not a flame against Myra.
I like her very much and consider her a friend. If she did offer something
else I wanted, I would not hesitate to request it from her. I would however,
do so with the expectation of having to wait a long time to get it. And, as
she posted here, she is trying to catch up with her backlog, which is good.
Myra Wong
In article <4p5hgo$f...@news.netvoyage.net>,
Shaun Stuart <sh...@netvoyage.net> wrote:
>As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
>requests. Eight months to copy a two hour video seems a wee bit excessive to
I'd like the chance to explain the complete story. It's not meant
to be a blanket excuse for the delay, but it is the reason for the delay.
I _do_ feel very responsible for filling all requests, timely or not,
and I feel bad that sometimes I am not able to do everything as soon as
everyone would like. I try to fit in as much of this tape-making (and
packaging and mailing) into my schedule, it's not like I'm kicking back
and partying with tape money and stealing blank tapes. At the same time,
because requests only covers the cost of blank tapes or postage (or they
are provided), I often can't afford to take time out of my school
and work schedules.
This is what I believe to be what happened... Shaun asked me online if he
could have such and such tape. So what he sent me was a blank tape
and a couple of coins for return postage. As some of you who have gotten
videotapes from me before, you know that I have written up a particular
procedure for requesting tapes and what to send in, etc, etc. The reason
I did this was to avoid delays and make the whole process easier and
faster for everyone. This includes labelling your tape with your name
and what you want, enclosing an SASE or a return mailing label (or piece of
paper), and including sufficient postage. Or else paying $1.00 (usually
when paying me for the new blank tape) for all the repackaging and
labelling and such.
>me. And keep in mind that Eric, an intern at SBK Records, provided her with a
>copy of a video from the last album with the expressed intent of getting it
>distributed to the fans. Now there is already talk about Deb's next album and
>I have yet to see the video from the last one. I'm sure Eric was hoping it
>would be distributed in a more timely manner.
There is a difference between just asking for the video, and asking
for the whole 2 hour compilation. Even my very first offer of the
FBOW video said to label the tape and include an SASE. All those
requests (of _just_ the FBOW video) got a 5 minute turn around (it
takes that long to copy the video, throw it in the SASE, and have it
go out in the mail.
Well, this isn't meant to be an argument over little details. I
just want to stress that I set up a requesting procedure for a reason
and deviance from it does cause delays. But in the end it still is
my responsibility to get the tapes back to those who requested.
I believe this problem has been resolved in email with Shaun;
Shaun, your tape will be sent out this week.
As I posted earlier, I am taking a 2 week break from any new requests at all
and am working hard on clearing the queue.
Myra Wong
In article <4pakaf$5...@news.netvoyage.net>,
Shaun Stuart <sh...@netvoyage.net> wrote:
>Further, I have received email from others that are currently having excessive
>delays from Myra. This would indicate to me that, at this time, long delays
>from Myra are the norm. I also mentioned that in the past, this was not the
If these other people would email me, I will check up on what
happened to their request.
>And you see nothing unusual in the fact that it is taking over 8 months to
>copy a 2 hour video tape? You believe someone's schedule can be that full for
>that long? No free two hours in 8 months? Hell, you don't even need to full
>hours - you can start the tape then go off to do something else! The only
The last 8 months for me _has_ been unusually busy. There are also
other factors involved, such as.. the VCRs I use are my roommates',
and believe it or not, during the regular TV season (which ended recently),
stuff was being recorded EVERY DAY. I can't use them if the timer is set.
I would say that for at least 6 months, say I had 1 or 2 chances each day
to pop in tapes to record, I would always run into a) timer is set
b) something is currently being recorded c) roommates watching/using TV
d) any of the above, within the next 2 hours
>excuse for that big of delay, in my mind, is if she was pregnant. Add to the
How do you know I'm not? :-o
>fact that, at approximately the 4 month mark, she advertised a second video
Actually, because you requested, I've never publicly offered it. I
mentioned it once while I was putting it together and soliciting
contributions of video segments.
Michael John Falkner
Shaun Stuart (sh...@netvoyage.net) wrote:
: In article <4p7lfp$l...@uwm.edu>,
: >
: >: As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
: >: has.
:
: Well no kidding! Someone asked about Jennifer's service and you commented on
: your experience with her and with Myra. I did the same thing.
Of course, but I think you're forgetting something of great importance:
I've seen it in action.
: Further, I have received email from others that are currently having excessive
: delays from Myra. This would indicate to me that, at this time, long delays
: from Myra are the norm. I also mentioned that in the past, this was not the
: norm.
And I'm telling you that, although I never experienced that problem, that it
well might be more the norm, in much the same manner as what Jennifer goes
through.
I've had to be told she's busy -- translated: live with it!
: >no lack of speed. I think the same thing could be said of Myra [that she's
: >busy, etc.] as could be said of Jennifer, except that Myra has not gotten in
: >as deeply to that end of the story [taking out ads in Goldmine, etc.] than
:
: How they advertise was never being discussed, only their speed of service.
Shaun, you are being dense again. What I was saying was that although Myra
has not gone to this extent, people know that she is one of the foremost DG
traders out there. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a queue of tapes at
most times that would take a month of Sundays to get through, much less any
life she has....
: >And as I said above, I think many of the same things as far as being busy
: >and all, that I said about Jen can be said about Myra as well.
:
: And you see nothing unusual in the fact that it is taking over 8 months to
: copy a 2 hour video tape?
Certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
: You believe someone's schedule can be that full for that long?
Sure! Get a real life, Shaun. Then get back to me!
: No free two hours in 8 months? Hell, you don't even need to full
: hours - you can start the tape then go off to do something else! The only
: excuse for that big of delay, in my mind, is if she was pregnant.
I'm not going to touch that one with a ten-foot loaded bazooka. Myra, that
crack is all yours...
: Now, having said that, let me also say that this is not a flame against Myra.
: I like her very much and consider her a friend. If she did offer something
: else I wanted, I would not hesitate to request it from her. I would however,
: do so with the expectation of having to wait a long time to get it. And, as
: she posted here, she is trying to catch up with her backlog, which is good.
And what I'm saying is that you need to realize that that is not as unusual
with all people who trade extensively.
Wally W. Ho
Shaun Stuart wrote:
>
> As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
> has. I ordered the Debbie compilation video she offered to people back in 1995<snip help the bandwidth>
> Shaun
Well, Halfta defend Myra here. I got a color Grease program from her cuz they
just ran out when Grease was came to Vancouver. Well not only did she get it in
timely manner SHE GOT THE POSTER SIGNED FOR ME!. I think she is a trustworthy
person. Maybe she has a life and is REALLY busy.
Keep in mind "She don't work for DGIF". She is just a committed fan.
:-)
-=Wally out (of his mind) :-)
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I have BUT ONE HERO whom I admire, Deborah Gibson is that hero!
bob...@netcom.com.removethispart
sh...@netvoyage.net (Shaun Stuart) writes:
> mfal...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Michael John Falkner) wrote:
>>spectrum, and what she does will take time -- sometimes a lot of it.
>As far as taking a long time, I have yet to see anyone take as long as Myra
>has.
It should be kept in mind that these people are just regular ol' folk
with real lives as well as their willingness to make us all tapes.
And everyone who does business with them knows that, and I would hope
they expect nothing more.
I mean, fans could farm out duplication duties to a fulfillment house,
but then everything would cost twice as much.
-Bob
André Corbeil
bur...@ix.netcom.com(Daniel Burger) wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone has ever purchased any cds from Jennifer
>Yeko? I sent her my order over a month ago and have not recieved
>anything yet. I am not accussing her of any wrong doing (yet). I
>simply want to know if anyone else has had any experience dealing with
>her mail order merchandise?
I've been silent long enough. This question was posed whether people
had trouble with JENNIFER YEKO, not MYRA WONG. There is a dramatic
difference there if you write the two names out next to each
other...try it.
I responded to Mr. Burger privately, frankly, because the business
I've had with Ms. Yeko is not of the best calibre, but ultimately, she
did deliver.
The difference between Yeko and Wong to me is clear. Yeko advertises
full tilt what she's got and has extremely high prices for what you
get. With those high prices, I would expect exceptional service. To
summarize my experience with Yeko, you are NOT getting what you pay
for.
I have had minor contacts with Wong about availability of Gibson
collectables and have been told "too busy". That's fine...I
understand busy...at least she's being honest. Yeko, although she
says she's busy, continues to advertise and take people's money.
If you have a problem with a specific merchandise order, please direct
it to the appropriate person, don't trash someone who's doing you a
favour - because then those favours won't be done for others that do
appreciate them.
If anyone is considering doing business with Yeko, I hope you're not
in any kind of a rush, and a bit of advice: save ALL correspondence
and receipts (cancelled cheques, copies of money orders).
dx
In article <bobmacdD...@netcom.com>,
> I mean, fans could farm out duplication duties to a fulfillment house,
> but then everything would cost twice as much.
Or all you Debheads could follow the example of Deadheads and create
taping trees. Use the power of geometric progression.
-dx
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"I consider [Deborah Gibson] a person who expresses herself through music,
but I do not equate that with artistry." --Michael John Falkner
Michael John Falkner
André Corbeil (an...@internorth.com) wrote:
: I've been silent long enough. This question was posed whether people
: had trouble with JENNIFER YEKO, not MYRA WONG. There is a dramatic
: difference there if you write the two names out next to each
: other...try it.
Yes, BUT...
The question was then posed as well about Myra -- not with that much cause,
IMHO, but...
: I responded to Mr. Burger privately, frankly, because the business
: I've had with Ms. Yeko is not of the best calibre, but ultimately, she
: did deliver.
There's certainly a lot of opinions regarding Jennifer, many of them bad.
I'm just saying that both Jennifer and Myra trade extensively, and, thus and
therefore, can fall into the same traps of time.
: The difference between Yeko and Wong to me is clear. Yeko advertises
: full tilt what she's got and has extremely high prices for what you
: get. With those high prices, I would expect exceptional service. To
: summarize my experience with Yeko, you are NOT getting what you pay
: for.
That _depends_. Can you get a lot of what Jennifer advertises from another
["fan" or otherwise] outlet? If you can, let the competitive pressure force
her to go down. If you can't, then you have to make the decision as to
whether it's low enough.
: I have had minor contacts with Wong about availability of Gibson
: collectables and have been told "too busy". That's fine...I
: understand busy...at least she's being honest. Yeko, although she
: says she's busy, continues to advertise and take people's money.
That's business for you. Myra has decided not to turn this into a business,
but since she trades a LOT, she will be busy. Jennifer is trying to do a
business, in a lot of people's opinions.
: If anyone is considering doing business with Yeko, I hope you're not
: in any kind of a rush, and a bit of advice: save ALL correspondence
: and receipts (cancelled cheques, copies of money orders).
May not be a bad idea in ANY circumstance.
Michael John Falkner
dx (d...@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <bobmacdD...@netcom.com>,
:
: > I mean, fans could farm out duplication duties to a fulfillment house,
: > but then everything would cost twice as much.
:
: Or all you Debheads could follow the example of Deadheads and create
: taping trees. Use the power of geometric progression.
Here's another one for your sig file, akin to the last one you used:
Most Internet Deb aficionados don't trust each other to that extent.
You forget that that implies a trust which does not exist in this group.
Kurt Shoens
mfal...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Michael John Falkner) writes:
>dx (d...@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Or all you Debheads could ... create taping trees.
>You forget that that implies a trust which does not exist in this group.
That's the beauty of taping trees ... you don't have to trust everyone.
You just have to trust the people you're directly in contact with.
And if tree structures seem too unreliable you can even use more richly
connected structures!
--
Kurt Shoens
Shaun Stuart
In article <4pcb02$r...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu>,
mkw...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Myra Wong) wrote:
>>fact that, at approximately the 4 month mark, she advertised a second video
>Actually, because you requested, I've never publicly offered it. I
>mentioned it once while I was putting it together and soliciting
>contributions of video segments.
Ah. Well, I think my actual request was to get my tape done before you started
doing tons of others. But thanks.
Michael John Falkner
Kurt Shoens (sho...@hpl.hp.com) wrote:
: mfal...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Michael John Falkner) writes:
: >dx (d...@netcom.com) wrote:
: >: Or all you Debheads could ... create taping trees.
:
: >You forget that that implies a trust which does not exist in this group.
:
: That's the beauty of taping trees ... you don't have to trust everyone.
: You just have to trust the people you're directly in contact with.
Problem: I don't think that we're even THAT trustful.
I know I could never participate in such a tree.
Shaun Stuart
In article <31B9B5...@unixg.ubc.ca>,
"Wally W. Ho" <wal...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
>Well, Halfta defend Myra here. I got a color Grease program from her cuz they
>just ran out when Grease was came to Vancouver. Well not only did she get it
in
>timely manner SHE GOT THE POSTER SIGNED FOR ME!. I think she is a trustworthy
Oh I totally agree. And she also got stuff signed for me before as well
when I didn't even ask for it. I also stated in my original post that in the
past I have gotten great service from Myra. (Ok, keep those snide comments to
yourselves, please!) It was just that the last thing I requested from her took
a very long to receive. She has also stated that she is halting all incoming
trades to catch up on her backlog. I will also let everyone know that I did in
fact receive my video from Myra yesterday, so it appears that she has caught
up, or is in the process of catching up, on her trades.
Boy, I sure am in a really conciliatory mood tonight.. Where's Mike... :-)
Myra Wong
In article <dxDsv5...@netcom.com>, dx <d...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <bobmacdD...@netcom.com>,
>> I mean, fans could farm out duplication duties to a fulfillment house,
>> but then everything would cost twice as much.
>taping trees. Use the power of geometric progression.
The main problem, and it's definitely not trust, is the fact that
most DG fans are in their teens, 20s and 30s, and I have found that,
myself included in the past, that most people don't have decent
enough tape decks to duplicate tapes adequately. Whoever's at the
bottom of the tree is going to get a really poor quality tape.
Myra Wong
In article <4pt661$3...@news.netvoyage.net>,
Shaun Stuart <sh...@netvoyage.net> wrote:
>In article <31B9B5...@unixg.ubc.ca>,
>"Wally W. Ho" <wal...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
>>Well, Halfta defend Myra here. I got a color Grease program from her cuz they
>Oh I totally agree. And she also got stuff signed for me before as well
>when I didn't even ask for it. I also stated in my original post that in the
I hope no one ever complains about receiving something autographed
vs. non-autographed.
>a very long to receive. She has also stated that she is halting all incoming
>trades to catch up on her backlog. I will also let everyone know that I did in
>fact receive my video from Myra yesterday, so it appears that she has caught
>up, or is in the process of catching up, on her trades.
I wanted to clarify that I have been mostly dealing with requests--that is,
someone sends their blank tape and return envelope (or money for the cost of)
and I have to copy the material. I do some trading, but the ratio of
requests vs trading is about 10:1.
I've sent out just about everyone's tapes. If you're still waiting
on something and you haven't gotten a package or email from me in
the last week, please email me. Some requests slip thru the cracks,
either as a result of my messy room, unclear requests in email or
by letter, or unmarked tapes.
Michael John Falkner
Myra Wong (mkw...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: I hope no one ever complains about receiving something autographed
: vs. non-autographed.
*SLAM!*
Thank you, Myra. The problem with what you said before is just what you say
here, and remember that even Karen has been bitten by the mistrust of a lot
of the people here, so I'd say trust has a lot to do with why more extensive
trees are not attempted.
If you don't think so, provide a counterexample by treeing forth whatever
the convention will hold.
chr...@gmail.com
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone has ever purchased any cds from Jennifer
> Yeko? I sent her my order over a month ago and have not recieved
> anything yet. I am not accussing her of any wrong doing (yet). I
> simply want to know if anyone else has had any experience dealing with
> her mail order merchandise?
>
OMG! I can`t believe they I`m going to reply an post from 1996. ahhaahh
Well, I used to buy from Jennifer Yeko and I never had a bed experience.