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JoshShirk

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Apr 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/17/98
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Does any one know what the Sea Of Tunes label "Smile" set is going to consist
of? Posts have been made insinuating that some people have already heard about
it. I would really love to know. I just ordered their "Unsurpassed Masters"
series, volumes 1-8. I've yet to recieve them but have been hearing nothing but
great things. Have they released anything else or are these eight pieces their
complete output up to this point?
Love and mercy,
Josh

Mr Action

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Apr 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/18/98
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JoshShirk wrote in message
<199804171035...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

Josh, the 8 volumes are all the output of Sea Of Tunes up to this point.

As far as the Cds themselves, there is only one word to describe them to
Beach Boy fans.

ASTONISHING.

Someone, somewhere, sometime, has gotten into the Capitol Records tape vault
and copied EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING. You get session tapes, vocal
takes, instro takes, overdubs, ect, Its really amazing.

The BEST part are all the tracks you will now hear in stunning stereo off
the master tape. When you hear these, you want to shoot EMI for the crappo
sounding releases they have given us in the past. You wont believe how good
this stuff sounds.

If you are a Beach Boys maniac, you need all 8 of these releases.
I first heard volume One (Live In Sacremento, I think) in the record store
and it blew me away.

Better get these while you can, they are SO good, I have a hunch they wont
be around forever...Capitol has GOT to be pissed at Sea Of Tunes, I mean,
now Capitol has nothing else to release.

good Luck!


Mike

NL Zwolle

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98
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How do the sea of tunes releases compare to the two 8-disc sets in the gold tin
boxes released by vigotone in 1995? I wonder if material for the sea of tunes
releases were gleaned from these thoroughly researched & well put-together
sets.......can anyone enlighten me ???......thanks.....C.

David Prokopy

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98
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NL Zwolle <nlzw...@aol.com> wrote:
>How do the sea of tunes releases compare to the two 8-disc sets in the
>gold tin boxes released by vigotone in 1995?

i don't own the vigotone sets myself (are those the "journals" boxes?),
but i can tell you that the SoT discs are, hands-down, the BEST sounding
bootlegs i've ever heard - by the beach boys or anyone else. in fact,
there are some tracks on the SoT discs that i would say actually sound
BETTER than their legitimately-released counterparts.

unfortunately, they don't contain any real liner notes, excepting the song
titles and recording dates (which, given the state of the session logs and
tape boxes at capitol, may or may not be totally accurate).

however, to give you a scope as to just HOW complete these new discs are,
keep in mind that so far they've already released roughly TWENTY discs
worth of stuff, and they're ONLY up through the _today_ album!! (the
_today_ album itself is represented by EIGHT CDs alone!!)

if there's a problem with the SoT discs, it might just be that they're TOO
complete. it really is kind of a chore to listen to an hour's worth of
"when i grow up" outtakes, and i'd imagine it's not something your
semi-casual fan would want to listen through more than once.

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Fredric J. Einstein

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Apr 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/29/98
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pro...@iquest.net (David Prokopy) wrote:

>NL Zwolle <nlzw...@aol.com> wrote:
>>How do the sea of tunes releases compare to the two 8-disc sets in the
>>gold tin boxes released by vigotone in 1995?

I reply:

The three gold tin boxes released in 1994 (The Beach Boys Journals 1 &
2 and the Brian Wilson Journals) are greatly inferior to the Sea of
Tunes bootlegs. They were not from Vigatone. The tin boxes are
basically a complete collection of the "bonus tracks" from the Capitol
CDs coupled with all of the bootlegs that were released up until that
time (e.g. the "Help Me Rhonda" sessions with Murray, the "Lei'd In
Hawaii" rehearsals, the Vigatone "Smile" bootleg etc.). Although the
books that came with these sets were nice, I was disappointed because
I already owned the Capitol TwoFers and every Beach Boy bootleg
released.

In contrast, the Sea of Tunes stuff seems to have been stolen and
bootlegged, not from "Capitol" as everyone says, but probably from the
Brother Records archives. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Beach
Boys "hangers on" aren't responsible for these superb sets of all new
material (Jardine's brother maybe? Love's brother maybe? pure
speculation on my part). I don't think that "Capitol's archives" are
this extensive.


Mike Arcidiacono

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May 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/16/98
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NL Zwolle wrote in message
<199804291626...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...


>How do the sea of tunes releases compare to the two 8-disc sets in the gold
tin

>boxes released by vigotone in 1995? I wonder if material for the sea of
tunes


>releases were gleaned from these thoroughly researched & well put-together
>sets.......can anyone enlighten me ???......thanks.....C.

They were NOT. The Sea of Tunes Cds are made from the BBs Capitol SESSION
tapes. Some lucky and brave soul recorded EVERY overdub, every version,
every last thing on the 4 track masters to DAT. It is the most unbelievable
find in the world for BB collectors. And by the way, you get two track
stereo versions of just about every BB song.

Mr Beach

McStennson

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May 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/17/98
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How many discs are going to be or are released for Smile?

Mark Linett

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May 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/19/98
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In article <6jmq92$irg$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>, "Mike Arcidiacono"
<mik...@pipeline.com> wrote:

The word is STOLE! the tapes, and the "brave soul" is a crook who should
be rotting in jail not living off the money the bootleggers paid him for
copies of that stolen material.

I realise it is a waste of time to point out that those who claim to love
and admire the work of Brian and the Beach Boys but then turn around and
support this sort of criminal activity are taking money out the BB's
pockets and supporting people who have taken the trust given them to work
on the tapes and used it for their own commercial gain.

Everyone would call for the prosecution of someone who took a gun a robbed
Brian or broke into his house and stole something, but it's seemingly ok
to steal his music and make money off it.

End of "waste of breathe"

Czeskleba

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May 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/20/98
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>I realise it is a waste of time to point out that those who claim to love
>and admire the work of Brian and the Beach Boys but then turn around and
>support this sort of criminal activity are taking money out the BB's
>pockets and supporting people who have taken the trust given them to work
>on the tapes and used it for their own commercial gain.

Debating the bootleg issue is a lot like discussing abortion... I think most
people have their opinion set one way or the other, and are not going to change
their minds. But for some reason I feel like responding anyway... The Sea of
Tunes bootlegs do not "take money out of the BB's pockets". It is true that
the BBs are not earning any money from the Sea of Tunes discs, but they also
would not earn any money from those tapes if they remained sitting on a shelf
instead of being released on a bootleg CD. So the bootlegs do not take income
away from the BBs... they have no effect on the BB's income at all.


>
>Everyone would call for the prosecution of someone who took a gun a robbed
>Brian or broke into his house and stole something, but it's seemingly ok
>to steal his music and make money off it.
>

They didn't physically steal anything, they just made copies of it. Brian
still has the tapes to listen to himself, and can still choose to release them
himself and make money off them if he wants to.

Bootlegging is the liberator of music. Without bootlegging, there would be no
"Basement Tapes" or "Bootleg Series" albums by Dylan, no Beatles Anthology, and
certainly no Pet Sounds box set. Bootlegging makes great music available that
otherwise wouldn't be, and it motivates artists to release great stuff that
would otherwise remain unavailable.

David Prokopy

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May 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/20/98
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Mark Linett <yrp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I realise it is a waste of time to point out that those who claim to love
>and admire the work of Brian and the Beach Boys but then turn around and
>support this sort of criminal activity are taking money out the BB's
>pockets and supporting people who have taken the trust given them to work
>on the tapes and used it for their own commercial gain.

mark, i'd agree with you about bootleggers "taking money out of the BB's
pockets" IF the beach boys were, in fact, planning on RELEASING any of
this material. but you, if anyone, should know how next-to-impossible it
is to get the beach boys camp to agree on anything at all, regarding
what's in their vaults. how many times did mike postpone the _PS_ set,
mark?

the truth is, 99% of this stuff would NEVER get out in the open had it not
been for the SoT people. and, as such, they're not taking a dime from
anyone's pockets but their own customers. and you can rest assured that
all of us who are spending $25/disc for this SoT stuff would GLADLY spend
half that much for legitimately-released stuff, IF it were made available.
the beach boys should realize that the popularity of the SoT stuff shows
that there IS a sizable market for the beach boys' vault material, if
they'd only get their collective heads out of their behinds and release
it.

and, no, i'm not defending bootlegging per se. but it's silly to think
that SoT is taking any money away from the beach boys whatsoever.

Greg Panfile

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May 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/20/98
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I certainly would not like to offend Mark Linett who is clearly a talented
person and a "good guy" or has been everywhere I have virtually run into
him. And I understand pretty clearly the history of artists being cheated
and whatnot. However, I think there are two sort of major issues here that
he does not address.

One is that the involvement of major corporations in music has been a very
two edged sword. It certainly has allowed some artists to become very rich
and very famous and push the artistic envelope forward. On the other hand,
Smile being an excellent case in point, it has also acted to repress,
neglect and otherwise inhibit the development of art. Corporations care
about money first and art second. So from a fan's point of view, it is
very frustrating to know that some "suit" controls whether one is able to
hear the Smile tapes or not, and that all one has to do to occupy the moral
high ground in such a case is produce a signed legal document about money
and ownership. If you look at what has happened with music, and indeed
with society in general, we are approaching a William Gibson sort of
situation where large corporations with international ties are actually
quasigovernmental bodies that can leverage their ability to employ or
unemploy people and their campaign contributions to do just about anything
they want. Given that it is highly likely that the revenue stream of Brian
or the Beach Boys would not be significantly affected by the release of a
legitimate Smile at this point, what harm is actually done by bootlegging
this material? Is there ever enough money for these people?

Secondly, and now I am in true soapbox mode, there is a notion of not just
the mere fan, but the scholar or student. I guess I arrogantly include
myself in this category, and maybe I don't belong there... but certainly
someone does, and what about those people? If you look at the art world
for example, the great artists, from the Renaissance to the present, you
can look at their outtakes, their studies, early versions and so forth and
get some insight into their creative process, how they got there. If you
are a scholar it makes your writing and lecturing deeper and better
informed. If you are a student, someone who is trying to learn how to do
what the master does, it gives you some insight into the process, you
understand that they are human and it took time and trial and error to
paint the masterpiece, you may even get some ideas that help you solve your
own creative processes.

This is where pop music and art diverge, to the great detriment of the
music. That John Lennon and Brian Wilson were unable, often for
corporate-related reasons, to nurture and develop a next generation of
talent, to pass on their craft, is a major cultural disaster in its own
way. The failures of Brother and Apple left a gap in the development that
will probably never be addressed. What the craft needed, and still needs,
is some sort of apprentice-journeyman-master path that people can follow.
It does not exist; although Dave Stewart of the Eurythmics has started
Anxious Records in order to address the problem, and Pete Townshend of the
Who has started some serious mentoring efforts of his own.

If you hear, for example, just the final version of Strawberry Fields
Forever the thing seems unattainable, beyond human capability, somewhat
like Good Vibrations. If you get to hear demo versions, outtakes, early
mixes and whatnot, you get a completely different view of the song, a map
from here to there so to speak, that is invaluable to the scholar or
artist. To simply say that these tapes, which are in one plane the legal
property of this or that corporate entity (and I don't disrespect that, at
least not totally) is true as far as it goes. It is also true that they
are part of the human cultural heritage, like the Rosetta Stone or the clay
tablets containing the myth of Gilgamesh, or Picasso's studies for
"Guernica."

Sadly this entire discussion could easily be solved with some creative
thinking and marketing. All whoever controls Smile would have to do is to
make a very expensive but legitimate set of the tapes for scholars and
musicians. Say a hundred bucks... or even two hundred. Now if you are
serious, that is not too much money. You don't have to publicize it widely
and put ads in the paper, people in the know will find out about it and buy
one. It's simply moving toward a more granular product line and opening up
specialty niche markets. But no, let's blow that off, nobody cares about
those people anyway, so we get Michael Jackson and the New Kids on the
Block etc. instead.

It may be morally wrong for me to have my beloved Vigotone Smile. But it
certainly doesn't feel the way it would to break into someone's house and
take their possessions, and I have a feeling it doesn't feel the same to
the alleged victim either. Of course people deserve to be paid, but I have
a feeling a lot more artists (and I include engineers and producers in this
category!) have been ripped off by corporations than by bootleggers. And
again, there comes a point when our common, human artistic and cultural
heritage is just a bit too important to entrust to the accountants and
lawyers. Actually we reached that point a long time ago...


Mark Linett

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May 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/20/98
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In article <199805200807...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
czes...@aol.com (Czeskleba) wrote:

> >I realise it is a waste of time to point out that those who claim to love
> >and admire the work of Brian and the Beach Boys but then turn around and
> >support this sort of criminal activity are taking money out the BB's
> >pockets and supporting people who have taken the trust given them to work
> >on the tapes and used it for their own commercial gain.
>

> Debating the bootleg issue is a lot like discussing abortion... I think most
> people have their opinion set one way or the other, and are not going to
change
> their minds. But for some reason I feel like responding anyway... The Sea of
> Tunes bootlegs do not "take money out of the BB's pockets". It is true that
> the BBs are not earning any money from the Sea of Tunes discs, but they also
> would not earn any money from those tapes if they remained sitting on a shelf
> instead of being released on a bootleg CD. So the bootlegs do not take income
> away from the BBs... they have no effect on the BB's income at all.
> >

> They didn't physically steal anything, they just made copies of it. Brian
> still has the tapes to listen to himself, and can still choose to release them
> himself and make money off them if he wants to.
>
> Bootlegging is the liberator of music. Without bootlegging, there would be no
> "Basement Tapes" or "Bootleg Series" albums by Dylan, no Beatles
Anthology, and
> certainly no Pet Sounds box set. Bootlegging makes great music available that
> otherwise wouldn't be, and it motivates artists to release great stuff that
> would otherwise remain unavailable.


BULLSH*T!

First of all theft is theft. None of the songwriters or performers see a
dime from the sale of these things, only the thieves make a profit.
Second some of the stuff was not copied but the actual tapes were stolen,
so not even Brian can hear his own work without getting the bootlegs.

I understand the appeal of the boots, but let's label the bootleggers and
the guy who stole the tapes for what they are, crooks and thieves who
should be prosecuted for the federal crimes they have committed. Worse,
they didn't even have to break into the tape vaults late at night, they
were given free access by the Beach Boys because they they had been hired
to work on a project. Talk about misdirected trust! This trust (and money)
was repaid by this slimeball by the theft of irreplaceable tapes and
films.

Mark (end of story) Linett

Andrew Facherty

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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Greg Panfile <gpan...@tiac.net> wrote:

> I certainly would not like to offend Mark Linett...


> I think there are two sort of major issues here that
> he does not address.
>

> One is that the involvement of major corporations in music....
<SNIP>


> the revenue stream of Brian
> or the Beach Boys would not be significantly affected by the release of a
> legitimate Smile at this point, what harm is actually done by bootlegging
> this material?

Excellent point

> Secondly, and now I am in true soapbox mode, there is a notion of not just

> the mere fan, but the scholar or student...

I can accept this, as far as it goes. Being a student or scholar does
not give the right to have illegitimate copies of works in construction,
but I can see that there are analyses of music that are impossible
solely through listening to the original. The classical music
undergraduate, after all, has symphonic scores to help her or him to
understand the works of the 'greats'. However, I suspect some of us
buying these are "mere fans".

> If you hear, for example, just the final version of Strawberry Fields
> Forever the thing seems unattainable, beyond human capability, somewhat
> like Good Vibrations. If you get to hear demo versions, outtakes, early
> mixes and whatnot, you get a completely different view of the song, a map
> from here to there so to speak

Again, excellent point.

> Sadly this entire discussion could easily be solved with some creative
> thinking and marketing. All whoever controls Smile would have to do is to
> make a very expensive but legitimate set of the tapes for scholars and
> musicians.

Superb summary of other replies in this area. Also, not without
precedent - didn't George Harrison release his biography in an
expensive, limited edition version? I am, however, concerned at this
elitist 'very expensive' - most students I know struggle to get the bus
fare to town so that can go shoplifting... :-)

> It may be morally wrong for me to have my beloved Vigotone Smile. But it
> certainly doesn't feel the way it would to break into someone's house and
> take their possessions, and I have a feeling it doesn't feel the same to
> the alleged victim either.

At the last, the best point. Mark's assertion that we have acted as
thieves is an unnecessary slur: few of us are proud of having bootlegs,
and all would rather have legitimate versions.

--
* Andrew Facherty *
* Oxfordshire, UK *

Dan Addington

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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Andrew Facherty <fach...@enterprise.net> wrote in article
<1d9cqfe.1xd...@max03-152.enterprise.net>...

> Greg Panfile <gpan...@tiac.net> wrote:
> At the last, the best point. Mark's assertion that we have acted as
> thieves is an unnecessary slur: few of us are proud of having bootlegs,
> and all would rather have legitimate versions.
>
gulp...actually...I AM a little proud of my boots...I had to search long
and hard, dammit. they are amazing little unpolished chunks of
history...little tiny pieces of a Holy Grail that may not really exist in
it's totality, but is starting to take shape in my CD player.

Dan

Czeskleba

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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>Second some of the stuff was not copied but the actual tapes were stolen,
>so not even Brian can hear his own work without getting the bootlegs.
>
>

Well, that is another story. There is no way I would condone that. To me,
that definitely falls beyond the "gray area" I see most bootlegs as fitting in.


I am curious, Mark. It seems apparent that you and Brian and the Beach Boys
know who the perpetrator of these bootlegs is... so why hasn't he been
prosecuted? Is there lack of sufficient evidence to convict him, even though
his identity is known?

Gabriel Smith

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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Mark Linett wrote:
> The word is STOLE! the tapes, and the "brave soul" is a crook who should
> be rotting in jail not living off the money the bootleggers paid him for
> copies of that stolen material.
>
> I realise it is a waste of time to point out that those who claim to love
> and admire the work of Brian and the Beach Boys but then turn around and
> support this sort of criminal activity are taking money out the BB's
> pockets and supporting people who have taken the trust given them to work
> on the tapes and used it for their own commercial gain.
>
> Everyone would call for the prosecution of someone who took a gun a robbed
> Brian or broke into his house and stole something, but it's seemingly ok
> to steal his music and make money off it.
>
> End of "waste of breathe"

I agree with the person who pointed out that since Capitol have no
intention of releasing the music they can't be losing any money. However
I also agree with Mark that bootlegging is a crime.

Surely there must be some way around the problem. Perhaps some sort of
licensing deal whereby people could obtain rights to release the
material in limited production runs for a one off fee to the materials
owners. This way, everyone would be happy, fans would get the material
they want and the materials owners would make a gauranteed profit.

Well, just an idea

Gabriel

Brian MacDonald

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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The problem is: we're dealing with two mutually exclusive
facts here..

1) Beach Boys fans want (in some case, above everything
else) to hear good quality Smile material.

2) Brian Wilson does *not* want Smile material heard in masses.

It's pretty difficult to have both without one or the other being
hurt in the process. The best we can hope for is that Brian
will, one day, *want* the Smile material to be released; and
that he'll be able to do it without any legal 'rasslin... I know,
it seems quite impossible these days, but who knows?


==================================================================
Brian MacDonald <bri...@kuci.org>
KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County
"S-H-A-M-Double-E-K -- my definition of dance -- comprende?"
==================================================================


TMQ

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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> Mark Linett <yrp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I realise it is a waste of time to point out that those who claim to love
>>and admire the work of Brian and the Beach Boys but then turn around and
>>support this sort of criminal activity are taking money out the BB's
>>pockets and supporting people who have taken the trust given them to work
>>on the tapes and used it for their own commercial gain.

David Prokopy <pro...@iquest.net> wrote:
> mark, i'd agree with you about bootleggers "taking money out of the BB's
> pockets" IF the beach boys were, in fact, planning on RELEASING any of
> this material. but you, if anyone, should know how next-to-impossible it
> is to get the beach boys camp to agree on anything at all, regarding
> what's in their vaults. how many times did mike postpone the _PS_ set,
> mark?

People here seem to forget that some "bootleg" labels, such Yellow Dog
("Beach Boys Pet Sounds Rehearsals", Yellow Dog YDCD-029) actually DO pay
into European copyright 'pools' ... and it is up to the artist to file for
their royalties. So it is simply untrue that 'bootleggers' are "taking
money out of the BB's pockets" - and may I remind everybody that the Beach
Boys "Unsurpassed Masters" series is a Yellow Dog product, released under
their subsidiary, Sea of Tunes.

Regis

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May 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/22/98
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The Sea of Tunes bootleg are one of the best things that happened for us
Beach Boys fans, I'll buy (or trade) all of them, it's a pleasure to
listen to all these stereo sessions.

To answer to the initial question, According to one of the "Sea of
Tunes" manufacturer, a "Summer Days, Summer Nights" 4 CDs box set will
be available in July, also 10 hours of "Pet Sounds" outtakes are
available and 6 hours of "Smile", the "Sea of Tunes" CDs will covered
only the Capitol years till 1969 ...

Have a visit to my Beach Boys trading page with the pictures and the
tracks listing of a lot of bootlegs (including several Sea of Tunes)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2355/Trading.html

Dauber

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May 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/23/98
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Mark Linett (yrp...@earthlink.net) eloquted this stuff to All ():

>First of all theft is theft. None of the songwriters or performers see a
>dime from the sale of these things, only the thieves make a profit.

I'll tell ya what...

I'll be more than happy to send some money to the Beach Boys to cover what
they'd make in profit had these been legit recordings that I bought at the
store. Where do I send the money?

Do you feel better now?

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Dauber

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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TMQ (wde...@aa.net) eloquted this stuff to All ():

>and may I remind everybody that the Beach
>Boys "Unsurpassed Masters" series is a Yellow Dog product, released under
>their subsidiary, Sea of Tunes.

Uhhh....just one problem -- Yellow Dog is no longer in the business. He
retired last year!

Sea of Tunes is actually a subsidiary of Midnight Beat.

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TED GROSS

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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>I'll be more than happy to send some money to the Beach Boys to cover what
>they'd make in profit had these been legit recordings that I bought at the
>store. Where do I send the money?

Aha, sounds like a fine offer, but remember Buddy, your credit has been shot
down all over town. A checkbook still in the 100 number range is just not gonna
be acceptable. Sorry.

Rick Carlin

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May 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/25/98
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While I am as interested in hearing unreleased material as anyone else,
the fact remains that artists have the right to withhold material from
public release that they don't feel they want others to hear. As a
musician myself, there are many things I've recorded that I wouldn't
want in the public domain. I, and the Beach Boys, are not obliged to
commercially release every note they record. It is not just an issue of
who receives the profits.

RC

> I'll be more than happy to send some money to the Beach Boys to cover what
> they'd make in profit had these been legit recordings that I bought at the
> store. Where do I send the money?
>

Owen Kelly

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> > I'll be more than happy to send some money to the Beach Boys to cover what
> > they'd make in profit had these been legit recordings that I bought at the
> > store. Where do I send the money?
> >
> > Do you feel better now?

Can someone please tell me which volume of Unsurpassed Masters is the
Smile one? Is it Vol 6, Vol 7 or Vol 8?

Thanks
Owen

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TMQ

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> TMQ (wde...@aa.net) eloquted this stuff to All ():
>>and may I remind everybody that the Beach Boys "Unsurpassed Masters"
>>series is a Yellow Dog product, released under their subsidiary, Sea
>>of Tunes.

Dauber <dau...@megsinet.net> also spake:


>Uhhh....just one problem -- Yellow Dog is no longer in the business. He
>retired last year! Sea of Tunes is actually a subsidiary of Midnight Beat.

Uhhh ... are you ever out of the loop. Yellow Dog (as a label itself) is
back in production with two new Beatles titles "Puttin' On The Style"
and the double CD "Fanthology". Check the Beatles "Hollywood Bowl" double
CD box (on Midnight Beat) to see evidence that Midnight Beat & Yellow Dog
are one in the same.

TMQ

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(Owen Kelly), ow...@booha.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Can someone please tell me which volume of Unsurpassed Masters is the
> Smile one? Is it Vol 6, Vol 7 or Vol 8?

None of the above. It's still forthcoming. A 5 disc boxed set.

JoshShirk

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May 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/25/98
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Anyone willing to sell their copy of
The Beach Boys - "Live At the Fillmore" on Midnight Beat

Dauber

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TMQ (wde...@aa.net) eloquted this stuff to All ():
>>Uhhh....just one problem -- Yellow Dog is no longer in the business. He
>>retired last year! Sea of Tunes is actually a subsidiary of Midnight Beat.

>Uhhh ... are you ever out of the loop. Yellow Dog (as a label itself) is
>back in production with two new Beatles titles "Puttin' On The Style"
>and the double CD "Fanthology".

Just because they HAVE Yellow Dog's name on 'em doesn't mean they actually
ARE Yellow Dog -- it's more than likely someone else USING the name, kinda
like Beat Records with their "new" releases like _Sea Of Green_...besides,
from what I heard about _Fanthology_, it is NOT Yellow Dog quality --
Yellow Dog wouldn't put out crap like that.

> Check the Beatles "Hollywood Bowl" double
>CD box (on Midnight Beat) to see evidence that Midnight Beat & Yellow Dog
>are one in the same.

Ahh -- Midnight Beat just THANKS Yellow Dog.

Yellow Dog is FINISHED. Source: Scott Belmer's book _Not For Sale_, page
153.

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Derek Alden Bill

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May 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/30/98
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In article <1486.454T...@megsinet.net>, Dauber <dau...@megsinet.net>
wrote:

>TMQ (wde...@aa.net) eloquted this stuff to All ():
>>>Uhhh....just one problem -- Yellow Dog is no longer in the business. He
>>>retired last year! Sea of Tunes is actually a subsidiary of Midnight Beat.
>
>>U

Speaking of which..........I'm offering the domain name:

SeaOfTunes.com

for sale on my current list...........AND I'd be willing to accept some of
their product in trade...........


Derek

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