Now maybe Alana has so little control that she didn't even pick the order
of her songs, but somehow I doubt it. However, if that IS the case, then
I have even less respect for her as a musical artist if she doesn't even
choose the way the album will sound by what order the songs are placed.
Either way, though, I consider her officially Lame; either she is totally
controlled by Elektra or she's starting off her debut album with a cover
of another (far superior) artist. Pretty weak if you ask me.
Check out the message I just posted on the newsgroup for Ani's opinion, in
her own words, on the whole matter; they're from her concert in Berkeley
last year on Halloween.
Chris
On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Lady Ciannait ni Mhide wrote:
> Usually it's the record company, not the artist, that decides which singles to
> release. So don't blame Alana that Elektra through 32 Flavors would get the
> most airplay - it's their job to get money. I think that this song will bring
> in more interest in both Ani and Alana, and yes, I live in the Twin Cities
> where the alternative station believes in playing Ani, has for over a year.
> I personally am more upset that Warner Brothers butchered Loreena McKennitt's
> "Mummer's Dance" before releasing it to radio....
>
> --Lady Ciannait inghean Mhide
> cian...@winternet.com (This address protected by procmail)
>
> >i just think alana made the song more "mainstream" sounding...i dont really
> >have a problem with her doing the cover--only a problem w/ her making it her
> >first single...alana stated that she felt uncomfortable with covering it in the
> >first place, how peculiar that it should be the first taste of alana the world
> >gets then..hmmm
> >
> >hugs and faerie dust
> >~*lisa*~
>
>
: Personally, I have no problem with an artist covering a tune. My "issue" is
: with Ms. Davis using this wonderful song (I do like the wah-wah fills on the
: verses) as her launching pad to stardom.
isn't that just _obnoxious_?? it's almost as bad as jimi hendrix using
dylan's 'all along the watchtower' to propel himself into the spotlight.
or dylan writing just _one_ of the songs on his debut album, and stealing
the rest from folk tradition. egad. what a bunch of untalented schmucks!
:-)
oh, the *worst* _has_ to be that god-awful remake of 'amazing grace,' with
the techno beats, by some female performer ... who is it that does that
... ? i forget. but anyhow they never credit the original artist when they
play it on my college radio station. so i call in, and i say, 'play the
damn original.' whoever did the remake obviously had little regard for the
original ... :-)
i feel so bad for ani. i'm sure she's not making any money off of alana's
single or album, seeing as how she doesnt copyright any of her stuff, and
thus has no control over who uses it for commercial gain. the only one who
controls _that_ is her record company, and the suits there are probably
real assholes who only care about making money and don't give a damn what
she thinks.
</tongue>
</cheek>
______________________________
ryan travis tate
mailto:ryan...@uclink.berkeley.edu
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~ryantate
How many new artists do you know who have control over what songs are
released as singles and in what order? There are veteran musicians who
still have to defer to their record company's wishes on that issue. It
smells like a record company decision (and an exploitative one at that)
to me.
FMC
> <cheek>
> <tongue>
>
>
> : Personally, I have no problem with an artist covering a tune. My "issue" is
> : with Ms. Davis using this wonderful song (I do like the wah-wah fills on the
> : verses) as her launching pad to stardom.
>
> isn't that just _obnoxious_?? it's almost as bad as jimi hendrix using
> dylan's 'all along the watchtower' to propel himself into the spotlight.
> or dylan writing just _one_ of the songs on his debut album, and stealing
> the rest from folk tradition. egad. what a bunch of untalented schmucks!
> :-)
>
Hmmm I don't recall Hendrix leaving out verses and changing these songs.
>
> i feel so bad for ani. i'm sure she's not making any money off of alana's
> single or album, seeing as how she doesnt copyright any of her stuff, and
> thus has no control over who uses it for commercial gain. the only one who
> controls _that_ is her record company, and the suits there are probably
> real assholes who only care about making money and don't give a damn what
> she thinks.
>
Huh?
> </tongue>
> </cheek>
Again Huh?
Jills
>
>
> How many new artists do you know who have control over what songs are
> released as singles and in what order? There are veteran musicians who
> still have to defer to their record company's wishes on that issue. It
> smells like a record company decision (and an exploitative one at that)
> to me.
>
> FMC
Hmmm let's see,
Ani
Tori Amos
Dar Williams
Shawn Colvin
Patty Larkin
Richard Shindell
Greg Brown
shall I keep going????
Jills
ryan travis tate wrote ...
<snip> (stuff about artists making better covers than originals) <snip>
I have absolutley now problem with covers, that is, covers that improve on
the song either by just plain doing it better or in a whole new style.
i.e. Dear Prudence - good original by the Beatles, good remake by Siouxsie
and the Banshees in thier style and and excellent live version by The Jerry
Garcia Band (no you don't have to agree with me). But the covers are much
easier when the songs are good in the first place. I don't think even Ani
could make a good cover of those wonderful Milli Vanilli hits! Ani 's "32
Flavors" - good. Alana's - bad!
<snip> (stuff about Ani not copyrighting) <snip>
I didn't believe it when I read it so I whipped out the CD and sure enough
. . . "all songs by ani aifranco (c) 1995 except 'coming up' (c) 1992
RIGHTEOUS BABE MUSIC/BMI. (p) 1995 RIGHTEOUS BABE RECORDS, INC. all
rights reserved. made in the USA"
So, she does copyright but whether or not she enforces it I don't know.
But from what I heard if an artist covers a tune, pays an industry standard
royalty fee and identifies the original artist for any commercially sold
format, he or she doesn't really need permission per se. All the trouble
you hear about, rappers/samplers specifically, happen because they will
sample a riff but not give credit to the artists who created it. The
Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" was written by Mick Jagger and Keith
Richards, the single format of the song didn't state that and the Verve got
spanked!
--
Tony W
please post reply - Thanx
ergo yes i know ani has copyright on her songs, and full control since she
owns her own label, that was my point in part, however badly made.
cheers
rtt
: cheers
I caught the humor.... it's silly stuff. Maybe all this Alana nonesense
will die down when there's something better to talk about (like LPC).
jenna
Leah Beth Kaplan <indi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<6a16lb$5...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
> I'm curious about how alana got the rights to do 32 flavors, if ani
> thinnks it sucked or whatever, how come she let her do it?
> Leah
>
Sorry, there's nothing Ani could do as long as she is properly credited as
the composer of the song and gets the resulting royalties. Only if Ms.
Davis was trying to pass it off as her own composition (which she isn't)
could Ani do anything to stop her.
Tim Neely
Goldmine magazine
Chris Kim <chri...@pangea.stanford.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.OSF.3.93.980120...@pangea.Stanford.EDU>...
> I agree that the record company probably had most of the control over the
> packaging and presentation of Alana Davis, but it's not just that Elektra
> chose the first single; it's actually the FIRST TRACK on her album! (I
> happened to notice this in a record store, don't worry; I didn't buy it)
It's a longstanding tradition in the recording industry: put a song you
consider one of the strongest on the LP first to grab the listener's
attention.
> Now maybe Alana has so little control that she didn't even pick the order
> of her songs, but somehow I doubt it.
A new artist usually doesn't have much control over that -- unless he or
she is running the company! :) Sometimes, too, they don't even get to
choose what songs they sing, and sometimes songs are foisted upon them
against their will.
However, if that IS the case, then
> I have even less respect for her as a musical artist if she doesn't even
> choose the way the album will sound by what order the songs are placed.
Once again, most record companies (or more specifically the producers of
the album) reserve that judgement for themselves...
> Either way, though, I consider her officially Lame; either she is totally
> controlled by Elektra or she's starting off her debut album with a cover
> of another (far superior) artist. Pretty weak if you ask me.
There is a long tradition of people getting their start by covering another
artist.
Tim Neely
Goldmine magazine
<snip>
Black Crowes-Hard To Handle is the perfect case in point.
im confused by what youre trying to say here...ani did not cover the song
_coming up_ she merely took the version she wrote in 1992 (on the album
'imperfectly') and redid it...which is why she put that...
for some reason im getting the impression that you thought that ani did not
write the song...please correct me if im wrong
hugs and faerie dust
~*lisa*~
******************************
'i raise a toast to all our saviors
each so badly behaved
its too bad that their worth
is the one that they save'
a.d.
: god forbid someone should use CHEESY DRUM-BEATS in the background.
: *cough*comingupremix,amazinggrace*cough*
ROTFL ...
DiLaTe33 wrote...
> >I didn't believe it when I read it so I whipped out the CD and sure
enough
> >. . . "all songs by ani aifranco (c) 1995 except 'coming up' (c) 1992
> >RIGHTEOUS BABE MUSIC/BMI. (p) 1995 RIGHTEOUS BABE RECORDS, INC. all
> >rights reserved. made in the USA"
>
> im confused by what youre trying to say here...ani did not cover the song
> _coming up_ she merely took the version she wrote in 1992 (on the album
> 'imperfectly') and redid it...which is why she put that...
> for some reason im getting the impression that you thought that ani did
not
> write the song...please correct me if im wrong
>
I didn't mean to mislead. I just wrote verbatim from the disc itself even
the upper-case and lower-case are straight off the disc.. Boy, this thread
is full is miscommunications. This one. . . the guy I responded to (he was
still joking when he said Ani didn't copyright). Kinda says somethin'
'bout e-conversations. Hard to hear the sarcasm and dry wit!!
--
Tony
also the beatles, whom i happen to think were simply brilliant...check
out how many covers are on their first few albums...
peace
lindsay
The greatest rock and roll songwriter of all time wrote precisely one
of the songs on his first album, which was called, um, oh yeah, "Bob
Dylan."
I don't think that many people are critisizing Alana Davis for not writing
her own music. They are critisizing her for taking a really keen Ani
Difranco tune and fucking around with it at the bequest of her record
company. I don't think that Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Black Crows, ABBA,
Jesus Jones, The Jelly Beans, Freddie Star Dust and the Constilations,
Murky Waters, Silicone Dip, Plutonium Overcast, Johny Frosted and the
Flakes, Belly, The Cure, REM, KMFDM, Micheal Jackson, The Banjo Buddies,
Quentin Gorge and the Hopsteppers, Hyster, Polymer, The Who, Time, Prince,
Dammit Janit, Dar Williams, Kyle Bruner, Post Partum, The Replacements,
English Johnny, Johnny Cash, Matchbox 20, Soundgarden, Pink Triangle, Pearl
Jam, Skippy the Princess, The Frogs, Tori Amos, BB King, Sugar, L-7, Black
Box Overkill, Smitten, Indigo Girls, Angry Dave and the Pissed, Tripping
Daisy, Pavement, Atari Teenage Riot, Jewel, Fiona Apple, Smash Mouth, No
Doubt, Enima #9, Soul Coughing, Pieces of Eight, Flipped Lid, Judy Collins,
Franky Mint and Mint's Money Makers, Ben Fold's FIve, ABC, Eager Beaver,
Static, Sonic Youth, Porno For Pyros, Tennesee Williams, Michelle Shocked,
The Evil Dead, Deep Blue Something, Voodoo Glow Skull, Marylin Manson or
Cheryl Crow have ever done that. That's why I think that all of those bands
are hipper then Alana Davis...even the ones I've never heard and the made up
ones.
I wonder how many times this post gets read from people searching on Deja
News.
Hey Beer God,
She didn't steal. She covered. And the album is one of the best of 1997.
. . . Spend less time in front of the TV . . . and drink less beer. You'll
think better.
PH
thanks y'all, Kris
Goth...@aol.com
I guess you've never listened to the radio much. Writers of songs very
seldom get credit in airplay. Back when the Byrds had their humongous
hit with "Mr. Tambourine Man," Bob Dylan got very little mention, if
any, and things haven't changed since then. So get real. If it really
matters to you, make sure that if your friends talk about this cool song
by Alana Davis they heard, *you* tell them who wrote it. (Without
putting Davis down.)
I have a lot of respect for Ani, but I'm having less and less for her fans.
Let me start by saying that I am an Ani fan, not an Alana Davis fan. *But*,
Alana did credit Ani on the song. I have not yet heard Ani even once hint that
the song was "stolen". Covers are all over the place. And, no, the original
artist is almost never mentioned. Ani DiFranco does not seem to have a problem
with Alana Davis covering the song, so why should we?
> I guess you've never listened to the radio much. Writers of songs very
> seldom get credit in airplay. Back when the Byrds had their humongous
> hit with "Mr. Tambourine Man," Bob Dylan got very little mention, if
> any, and things haven't changed since then. So get real. If it really
> matters to you, make sure that if your friends talk about this cool song
> by Alana Davis they heard, *you* tell them who wrote it. (Without
> putting Davis down.)
I agree completely on both points. I was shocked to learn recently that
that overdone hit duet "Love Lift Us Up Where We Belong" was originally a
Buffy Sainte-Marie tune (!). Personally, though, I wouldn't worry about
folks giving credit to Alana Davis for "32 Flavors." So far, the only
people I know (including radio DJs) who have noticed her version know of
it as "The Ani Remake."
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And why won't radio play the gosh-darned original anyway? Call the
Motherf***ers!
Todd
>yeah, there's a little radio station in a chicago suburb that plays "firedoor"
>from LIC a lot... it's pretty damn cool
Guess I'm luckier than I knew. Here in Northern Vermont there're
about 3 er 4 stations which have been crankin Ani for at least 8
months.
WooHoo!
janny
Mike&Jan (bizd...@together.net)
Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything
that I want or I'm still alive and there's nothing
I want to do.
-TMBG
I have to agree. However, after some debate, I think the problem
with the cover is not so much with Alana but the fact that it is
a "dumbed-down" and generic version of the song. The public is
more receptive to Alana's translation than Ani's(a sad fact) or
else we would hear Ani on the radio more often. Also, Alana's
version lacks personal intimacy one of the key elements to the
Ani's talent as a songwriter. It is ,however, altruistic to think
that the qualities we enjoy in Ani are those that the public will
embrace. It is disappionting. On the surface, the American
listening public likes to gorge themselves on absolute crap.
Blame popular media not Alana. She just needs a paycheck like
the rest of us. How many of us can claim ,in our own lives, the
relative personal and artistic freedom Ani has stuggled to win .
Ani at least gives us hope.
Cory
--
> I'm curious about how alana got the rights to do 32 flavors, if ani
> thinnks it sucked or whatever, how come she let her do it?
> Leah
To paraphrase what Ani said at a recent concert, she often gives the right
to cover her songs to new artists putting out their first album. Alana
failed to mention that she was being backed by a huge lable, so in effect I
don't think Ani got squat out of the deal.
Jills
hugs and faerie dust
~*lisa*~
*************************
so push has come to this
so i guess this must be shove
but before you throw
those stones at me
tell me whats your house
made of. a.d
yeah, i was wondering that as well... i heard the song for the first time the
other day, in my rinky-dink little upstate NY town where no one has ever heard
of ani, etc. etc., and *this* monstrosity comes on the radio. i mean, i
understand this chick alana needing a paycheck and all, but those cheezy
drum-beats in the background were... i dunno. i'll stop ranting.
deanna
--Lady Ciannait inghean Mhide
cian...@winternet.com (This address protected by procmail)
Christine
The story I heard is this... Alana asked. Ani said OK. Ani did NOT know
that Alana had signed with a major label (but no one seems to know if that
would have affected Ani's decision but Ani). Ani has said in times past
that once she writes her songs, they arn't hers anymore (ie, anyone whos
asks can probably use it)(I'm paraphrasing....).
I heard it for the first time the other day on MTV's 12 angry viewers...
The jurors/viewers hated it! (but no mention of Ani). So did I. It
lacked sincerity and emotion and sounded too popish and not musical enough
for my likes.
Hope that helps...
David
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